can on the person or on the 1st name levels on the, you know, the motif behind is person has ended up 5 at taking into news and exaggerating the issues asians, the other so that kind of things. i went to the goose to den piece. the live is very vicious, and one drawing from listen can lead to the low so many lives. so please don't split falls information in the photos. the book to the most is israel, as a finance ministers, pledge to spend $50000000.00 to integrate palestinians and east jerusalem in 2 is a really universities that's off that he had previously bound to freeze the funding due to what he said was rising extremism within the institutions unfortunately, in recent years we have witnessed nationalist extremism within the university's

finance when it's uh, but allow smoke, which also said he would no longer allocate cashed to the our sector, claiming the money would go to criminal groups behind terrorism. that funding had been promised on the previous government if an infrastructure to transport and fighting crime in small churches decision promote condemnation, not just some arabs, but also it is rarely in theory administer, and is really national security adviser. meanwhile, the finance minister also intends to allocate a $180000000.00 full settlement expansion in the occupied west by the money or fortunately, come from cuts in the budgets of other ministries. and it moves back by this settlements minister and will be debated in the upcoming cabinet leasing it's well, i mean, i did it based on it from the national committee of arab local councils. and israel believes the ministers move is simply aimed at we can have a senior in communities and is cutting this funding from the local or maybe in the

thirty's is an illegal step. this government started attempting to weaken the high of follow up committee and make it to legal, then attempting to make radian political policies and legal. and here we see a weakening of the heads of local authorities by causing these funds from them. this is of course a huge extortion. this is an attempt to weaken the palestinian community living in is ready the territories. i'm pretty sure that the finance minister smoked fixed the settler did what he did for racist reasons. are the same time. he said a 1000000000 shackles budget to enhance the sacraments recently in the ministry of finance and also kept budgets from local and raving authorities. also, they are double stand it since the criminals control is on the, on the government's 10 does not intend as of local a reading authorities. and he doesn't cut any budgets from government ministries, but only from local a raving authorities. this is of course, a very big motive and indicator of this ministers racism, and deepening and enhancing settlements while weakening the local,

a raving authorities and the raving leadership. sorry about that for me role resume, show you here with the desk at all to international the mothership here in moscow. thank you very much for joining us here. my colleague, donal quoted at the desk and a half an hour's time with more of your worldwide headlines. i do hope you can join him, the fellow and well come across software. all things are considered on peter level. nato is a peculiar organization. it claims to be defensive military lines, but at the same time, claims it must constantly expand. add to this, the alliance is quite projects debility in reality,

it projects instability and in security, and made russia, its primary enemy, the processing, the upcoming nato summit. i'm joined by my guess, make live petro in kingston. he is a professor political science at the university of rhode island in portland, we haven't been ripped. he is a freelance journalist and in london we cross a day in code my 10 day he is a visiting lecturer at the law. school of the university of westminster are a gentleman. crosstalk roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want . and i always appreciate nichol, i let me go to you. first of, you know, there's been a lot of, uh, there was a lot of talk about the ukraine. so the counter offensive. and now there's a whole lot of talk about the upcoming summit and bill this of the nato summit, of course. and, but it's quite peculiar. and yeah, and i'm going to use that word. there seems to be a lot of double talk and ex, explaining what's going to happen there when nothing really much is going to happen

. they're, they're going to throw a few bones the to the ukrainians. and other than that, and there's no membership in the cards. maybe and no membership ever in the future . what are your thoughts as somebody to is approaching right. i think the game is lowering expectations for ukraine. i think a senior polish official and just said not to expect too much. but on the other hand, sometimes it turns out the united states manages through the whole of coersion and other on so on. pressure is to pull a rabbit out of the had at the last minute. this has happened before when it's been able to sell its own objectives in a way that seems appealing to others and then uh, hide from them of their, their long term implications. so i'm, uh,

i'm still very wary about what this upcoming nato summit might lead to. well, they didn't let me go to you in london. i think nikolai, as usual, is spot on here and i'm, but what's interesting is, i mean rabbits, it'd be cool. is it could be pulled out of a hat, wouldn't be really about ukraine. it would be about russia, and this is what this is all about. go ahead and wanted. yes, that's absolutely correct. so then i agree with the last, the comment that they, they, the ukraine coffee expect more than the, the usual they will just simply be giving them a more appropriate promise of loans. and i have your nation while in the meeting. so i be the ukrainian societies being the, you know, it's being disruptive and it's, it's, it's disruptive. it's a disruptive, a thing that ends, i think, based no question of the ukraine become being

a member, because they simply do don't fulfill any of the criteria for the so called math. so as you said, beads are, it is about so old about russia or even at the expense of the absence obliteration of the crate. and as they should states, as the, the, you know, the actual degradation of, um, uh, european society and, and, and european security too because that's not being addressed here. and we've actually create more in security because you will have a revision is. so ukraine, i haven't, i mean, there's not a whole lot of logic involved in this here. those that want to push to give exceptions to ukraine to get into the alliance. well, then there is a and pay and european war. i mean, who in their right mind wants that go ahead and portland i think that everybody kind of has to play a game where they all want to pretend that they wanted just for, for our purposes. but no,

i don't think anyone actually particularly wants to start a war in europe. i mean if they wanted to do that, they've had ample opportunity and they haven't done it. so i can see. ready maybe even sending in some volunteers or something like that, but i don't think it's going to be any ukraine's definitely not going to join nato . no bid. they've made it quite clear. okay, well let's go back to nikolai and kingston, and then what is the long term implications here? because, you know, it is a nato consent talk call or a wants about future membership of ukraine. but that's the red line for russia. and that's why we have this conflict. and so, you know, it's almost kind of an echo chamber and it may tell land, okay, because the no matter what comes out the building is the russians have already made their position clear. and they're not going to budge from at least there's no evidence of it go ahead. nikolai, the whole lies,

not in the current leadership, political leadership in nato countries, but in their successors. there are interesting movements of support, particularly in germany, with the rise of alternative parties to prominence that are very much skeptical of nato expansion. and the phrase is already been the use of forever wars that aren't going to be a burden specifically to german tax payers. and i think as germany goes, way if, if the conservative right wing in germany does come to power and sticks too. it's a skeptical agenda of on, on german foreign policy and 6 to reverse that. then i think we will show more courage along the same lines displayed in france and italy,

which is basically their right wing parties have, have caved to the nato agenda. correct? yeah, well you, i'm sorry, i'm going to have to throw your own words back at you. i mean that you as a lot of coercive power, i don't think it will allow that to happen. i think maybe i think with nato and has to worry about is colored revolutions instigated by washington. if they don't stay in line, me guys go back to our guest in, in london it's, it's very interesting the term forever war has already been brought up here. and that is, i think, really what's at play here. the mountain states doesn't want and ukraine in nato, and of course it doesn't because then it would take on obligations. but the, the status quote works for washington, just fine. they have no legal obligation, um security obligation. so to protect you, crane. but a, it'll, it'll look like russia on the behalf of many of natal. i mean, it's a perfect scenario for washington. go ahead in london. yes, it's a, it's a terrible situation and i sealed it. so obviously russia is holding fast to weeks

. it's always is and they can only get more line since the previous piece over the years have been um, thrown out the window. uh best of luck to me and puts in the obviously, um, show the records of the signed agreements. and so if russia wakes its out and i think that ukraine is on, it's the dog which is being systematically tried to be destroyed. and america is just going to find a way of of banding. you. great. it's done that before to the south, vietnamese, the stomach too, because of the guns, and that is on the unfortunate so afraid that the remains for, for ukraine. yeah. but not as i, i agree with our previous guess of the logic here, but this complex has been turned into an ex, essential conflict. okay. the u. s. last in afghanistan. last and the rack last of

in libya, it'd be good and it had no real collateral damage. this is a very different thing. this has to do or, you know, i mean stilton berg. i've given it, extending his term here. is it said recently in the last week or so, but this is all about china now. okay. i mean, this is ex, essential, it's not just a proxy war halfway around the world in, in developing country. go ahead in portland. well, and in this case, i mean they've had this in planning for so long, you know, the, the product ations against ukraine. go back all the way to the 1940s. it was when they, i believe it was the british you 1st made contact with the o. u in, in 1944, and they've supported the members sense. so i think this one's kind of a, a bigger deal for them was 88 of waste, like libya and syria. you can just kind of, you know, throw some things out there. and if it doesn't work out,

she just leave put ukraine. they've been so invested for so long, but i think it's hard for them to pull out at this weight. well, i agree here nikolai, i mean, it's all about the rules based order. it's about a european values. it's about barrels garden, i mean, they've invested a lot in this. okay. and, and it was a craven choice. i mean, the ukraine has nothing to do with european security, certainly that american security, they have chosen to do this nikolai and that. but so let me say 1st, 1st of all that everyone that america america seeks to fight and sales to its public is an existential war. as gattis, dad was a war also for all the same values. and i don't think, although we're trying very hard, we haven't quite reached the level of commitment,

the resources that we, we spent, and they've got us down over more than 20 years. so these things, these, these uh bouts of uh, of imperialism which is a recurring thing. in american foreign policy, continue and, and will recur. but uh, at the end of the tunnel, i see the promise of realism. realism being simply a recognition of the facts on the ground. and when they typically i find you never know if i can interrupt you. do you think victorian, do you think victoria knew in things that way? and i think victoria newland is not a permanent component of the foreign policy establishment. everyone's time is off at some point and this particular bout with

imperial expansion will have a lot of, i think, a long i don't, i hope lasting. i called a recuperation there will be sort of the hang over effect from this. i hope will be more dramatic. than it has been for it again as well. nickel, i'm going to talk about that in the 2nd half of the program gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue. our discussion on the upcoming natal summit stays with r t the the,

as soon as 2016 numerous monuments, the soviet soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed, all vandalized fish their stuff, but it must pharmacy within the within. yeah. unless or even some others could. i think if i really think so that's the most on whether it's it's especially almost 3 of the police government denies the rule of soviet soldiers in the victory of a naziism. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2? is the $450.00 sonia starter. although it did seem the non supervision is the trustees would remain think since people's consciousness forever. but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have

a to rewrite the cost. yes. for to take up the i'll provide i need to see because it looks like so i need october. 30th the welcome back to the cross. ok. we're all things are considered. i'm peter in the mail to remind you we're discussing the upcoming nato summit. the . okay, let's go back to our guest in a, in one in a day in k, the. i'm sure you came across the article by john mearsheimer. um, titled the darkness ahead where the ukraine war is heading and it's a fascinating piece of writing and, and, and, and it's a big picture which everybody really wants to understand. and he get his conclusions when i widely respect his work. but then he,

there's one element here that i think could, we could have almost like an endless discussion about and is conclusion that this could end up in some kind of frozen conflict, which i find that could really kind of fascinating. people mentioned the, the co, a korean poet peninsula. as an example i, it doesn't work for me because all of the major powers bought into a frozen complet rush is not going to do that. your thoughts go ahead and london? yeah, i think uh for sure that this is the only so that's a need. so has all of the company was, when does be considered a strategic to feed for nato? nato has a really big ego. i mean, when it comes to russia, oh, they have a superior already complex here. can they compromise it? this is something that nichol i was trying to bring up. keep going in london. well, the big, big, big, big cat in a sense, and they will try and sell it because of victory. i mean, we haven't had much about syria, which was an example of,

of frozen conflict. but the us is still occupied because of syria and it's imposing a terrible sanctions on it. so i would tend to agree with the, the point of view, let's russia will not find a frozen conflict, the acceptable that in goals and elements of the agreements and russia and has led through be to experience. so one broken promise, author, and all the you know, going back to the problem so not one mortgage east which relates so up to the recent makes the call. busy the it'd be um, a frustrating to the agreements we visit. so let's be a government last year. so um, but fortunately, i don't see it as being the and the goal shades the set my, i don't see certain members of the date. so i even want to that the site is fine with that, you know, unfortunately the, the present leadership in, in,

in poland and apparently english. so roland was the, was skis portion that's that they just come from and should not to hate russian or more than they loved opponents. and so i think russia is going to talk 3 times as see that's terms on negotiate with some sort of remnants of all of our ukranian a really well robins and fox authors, l. evan. i mean, they would talk even mentioned the minutes cuz process which was a fraud on the western side. the major players have admitted it. so. okay. um, so i mean, and we're gonna talk about some kind of frozen conflict. i mean, that's nonsensical because then they'll just take that time to build up capacity and sort of more over again. i mean, i don't, i didn't understand the logic. i wish i could talk to mirror. so i'm really like, don't understand that part of it spaces. go ahead and, and yeah, i mean in which minutes get was, they didn't even try there. there wasn't ever really any real desire to implement

that. the ridiculous thing is, if you look back at it, how willing russia has actually been to make a deal, what all this had, they have made the deal that the order is johnson kill diabetes. russia was actually willing to give up, wait a lot in that deal of what they have that we did. and so as the war goes on, their position is only going to get worse and worse and worse and worse. because obviously the ukrainians can actually dislodge the russian army for where they're at. and so the longer the way the words that a negotiations are going to get nikolai, it's very interesting if we look at what the, what was negotiated and assemble. it's fascinating. zalinski was asked to give up what he didn't have. i mean, it's remarkable. he didn't have the don bass. it didn't have the crime in. he was asked to give up what he didn't have. and now we're looking at. we are nikolai.

well, the bottom line for me is that the outcome of the negotiations will be set by the st. you with the military situation on the ground. and right now everyone is still jockeying for position as this has been going on for a long time. you're beginning to read things about how in, in american newspapers, how zalinski is, is recognizing that he may not be able to achieve victory. and all these accounts, these narratives are setting up the various constituencies in the west to make concessions, whether they want to or not. because once the counter offensive, assuming it, it runs its course and is ultimately unsuccessful. at that point,

all the cards are in russia's hands and the decision will have to be taken on rush aside to advance or to stop. and at that point, it becomes an imperative for the west. you negotiate this go back to our guest and one to do by that because of the way i look at it is here is that we and it's already been mentioned. um, our program here is, has been a lot, but a lot of lies and deceit here. the russians, i think, will unilaterally decide when it's over your thoughts. well that's, that's uh my mind is thinking that as well, i think, um, they have no problem. so to speak, to the go shake with and they are surrounded by um, trying to intransigence. it seems to me that um they have to um go on out to um, reclaim um uh, whatever is left of the declared independence,

donald bess regions they might go as far as or desa and uh they will have to then uh become frontier they've made. so then decides to, uh, send in the police troops officially, which would be a dis oscar for everybody, but so i don't see uh this, um, as i said, as a turning point, you know, you know, going back to a previous point that, that, that, that was made but at some point this is one of these last that too much for the west. the amount of money being put. busy into ukraine, the expense of the defeat will no longer be able to be uh, to be covered uh and bodies when uh, courageous people in politics in academia, amount of the population will need to come forward and really get rid of. it's not just about victoria new and it's about people who shared the same ideology. they really need to be a focus on in the public schools in the united states. and they really needs to be

gotten rid of. yeah i, i've been the people that, um i dance guy was talking about. they don't exist. okay. they've been marginalized, they've been cancelled, and they're all potent puppets. okay. i wish we could wish that was a track, but i don't see it because so much hubris is on the line right now. again, this is, you know, they, they did this to themselves. they ratio themselves into this. go ahead and portland . yeah, i mean, and if you look at the history of the people that are involved here it's, it's, it's hard because you will get to bite. and i mean, he has had a long career in american politics at this point. and at this point, he has been pro war every time he's been pro war with every what he was pro vietnam, he was pro, into this lobby. a i rack in afghanistan were as much as creation is anybody else is i still remember him sitting at the table next to george

w bush saying that saddam had weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes away from being launched. and so how do you negotiate with this man? how do i need to go say any but how do you negotiate with this mentality of this world view, this ideology, that's the problem here. nichol. i were rapidly running out of time, but you always have a word of optimism. mean you've already kind of touched upon it. i mean, you talked about realism here. i wish we could have realism here, because you know what, europe and russia are neighbors and they're going to be neighbors for a very long time to come, go ahead nickel and, and there will, there is an establishment. there is a deep state, but there is also, there are also alternatives to them that keep springing up and those will not go away either. i'm not, i don't know when or if they will try them. but certainly their voices are becoming more and more heard. a bye bye all i think, and that's a that is

a reason for optimism in the long run. okay, well, i mean, what is the long run here? because, i mean, can you do see, what do you see the west accepting russian security interest? i mean, that's what this is all about. i mean, the russians, it's all black and white. it was on december 17th. the, you know, the months before the complex, i mean, everybody knows what russia wants, can they, can they accept it? denying it all the way they will effectively accept it. okay. okay, let's go to one. did you buy that? do you think that they could, i mean this is eating so much crow. okay, cuz this is not afghanistan, it's not a rock, it's not libya, it's different. go ahead in london, i think they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll try and sell it as a fig tree. whatever happens um, but uh i kind of see rush, i bought a bunch in the veal columns like streamline, tries agenda along with the american exceptionally since the military industry

still pop, tried for made something with china, another dangerous adventure, but they will try and divert attention from your brain ultimate. okay, so what looks to be a certain degree. okay. every we have one, we have one minute left. so this i, i have the solution for the neo columns and the victoria new ones of the worm. how to get out of this and it goes something like it's, well, at least the russians didn't make their paris, we won. that's what they're going to do. go ahead and portland. yeah, i mean, i'm sure that they'll come up with some sort of a scenario that the americans are very good at that they still like to say that they want in vietnam to you know, we killed so many more of them. that means we won the war, but, you know, they'll, they'll just come up with something. i'm sure either that or they'll just started another war. similar else is what they usually do. well, it, it's very interesting because these are leads that you are easily entertainment,

ancient, and changeable to in the west. that may seem to be more apt to creating problems and solving any problems over the last 50 years or so gentlemen. that's all the time we have a one to think, my guess in portland kingsland and in london. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time. remember, across the, [000:00:00;00] the neutrality is one of the most flexible concepts and international relations that you can imagine, which is why it's so useful. but why it is so inherently different to the difficult to grasp. so that the chances we have is the country subpoenaed with the meaning that is useful to them and hopefully to, to all this because i did, i did,

i did score. it means i'm not taking decide of either of the completely the, an explosion and ball scott was air defenses, interest after drone over the capital russia brands at a portal ukrainian terror attack use the grades to go from us before the only result of ukrainian counter offensive is tens of thousands of ukrainian soldiers killed and hundreds of pieces of expensive western equipment destroyed. you and security council debates issues around the flow of weapons, both to win from ukraine with russia, claiming the troops are becoming cannon fodder in the conflict. ready for action. the echo was group of west african nations reaffirms that will step in militarily.