of the, [000:00:00;00] the explosion in moscow was air defenses intercepted drone over the capital prussia brands that a foil is crated in terrorist attacks. you've gone to an authority slammed the world bank after its decision to hold the financial aid because of the n t l g b t law on the east african cut the ready for action. the echo was group of west african nations reaffirms that will step in militarily. if all else fails over the crisis in the chair. but much of africa itself seems divided over armed intervention

the it's about 6 p. m here in moscow and you're watching r t international. i'm your host donald quarter. welcome to the program. the heart of all scouts financial district has once a gun again become the target of a drone attack versus defense ministry says that ukrainian drone was intercepted by defenses and crashed around for am local time. and what it's called is being called rather a foiled terrorist attack. the drone came down in the vicinity of the moscow city. complex of skyscrapers which has found itself repeatedly targeted in recent weeks were no reports of any casualties and damage was only said to have been minor. the m o d claim to the key of wanted to strike facilities both located in moscow and the most gal region moving now to dunbar square a residential area. and don, yet city has come under ukrainian,

showing local authorities claimed cluster munitions were used, which left one woman loomed and, and the doors are region local authorities say are ukrainian drone stripe target at the town of enter goldar where this upper ocean nuclear power plant is located, no casualties were reported, but a 5 story residential building was damaged after a fire broke out. meanwhile, the supply of lethal weapons continues to flow to key if denmark's top diplomat says the us has given the green light for deliveries of f. 16 fighter jets to ukraine from denmark and the netherlands after pilots training is completed. the training is due to start this month. however, the danish defense minister says the program will not bear fruit until next year. the bell russian president has also waited on the issue of sending weapons to ukraine, claiming european citizens are exhausted by the conflict. all their politicians continue to command execute commands from washington and an interview to

a ukrainian journalist. alexander lucas jenco also mold about when the fighting will end. it is up in the western europe. the gym is the fringe of the is accept the bridge, you shift coast. they are under america. they don't need this war anymore. and that's what people say that the boy is not in america, but in l houses the world must be ended, the europeans absolutely ready for this. but so far they're executing come ons, like give 15 lipids, but your opinions are reluctant to give military equipments. you see, but the french and the american people, the dutch are reluctant to send weapons. so the west can no longer be called a single collective cement. they send the signals to president zelinski zalinski resist, because the main patron behind him is the united states. so europe is already slowly starting to drift. public opinion in leading european countries is very bad in relation to this war. or more people are speaking out of gain states because they feel the home of this and they want it's the americans

a profit taken from this and very encouraging zelinski in this regard. therefore, there is no unity between europeans and zalinski in terms of continuing the war. and if the americans want to, they will signal to zalinski and he will sit down for negotiations. okay, no, be that will be no um supplies, so that will be the will of the car. and why will the americans want to signal to the landscape put the most to a new appointment because they will understand that ukraine will not when it will lose. and if you crate lose is ultimately well then the west will be frosted. they . busy they will need to give the signal, sit down at the negotiating table at the right moment, and have a nose. uganda as president has lashed out at the world banks decision to cut off financial aid to the country. following recent anti l. g, b, t to legislation saying the west is trying to intimidate his nation. some of these imperialist actors are insufferable. you have to work hard to restrain yourself

from exploding with anger. there so shallow they do not know when and where to stop of the world's bank cut funding to you've got the infrastructure projects, further provoking, financial hardship and the east african country. as a consequence, you've gone this government was obliged to revise its budget to account for the loss of financing, resulting in the biggest currency the valuation in almost 8 years. the world banks said the move was in order to prevent discrimination in projects. it funds. however, according to a, you've gone to an advocate such restrictions may incite a wave of anger against the eligibility minority in the nation. 8 costs with great war backlash for the gate community in the country. because your guidance was ben blamed the community. in fact, our position has always been that 8 gods would effect all your guidance, including the gate community itself. logically, it does not make sense. what we have always preferred. our target and sanctions. uganda is l g

b t. laws are widely considered to be some of the harshest in the world. same sex relations can be punished by life imprisonment while the death penalty can be imposed for quote, aggravated homosexuality, which is defined a same sex relations involving h i v positive people or children. the world bank funding freeze is not the only consequence. uganda is facing over its new anti gay law. as earlier the us imposed travel restrictions on, you've gone to officials with us present and joe biden threatening aid and investment cuts. i made other sanctions multiple, other western countries and un experts have also condemned the laws. but to get more on this subject to run across live now to jim laguna who was a you've gone to and for in the ugandan foreign ministry spokes person. so welcome to the program, mr. mill, going to the world bank has imposed financial restrictions on your nation following this recent anti eligibility to last. what kind of comment do you have about this?

ok, thank you very much. so having me, i'll start by click to unload, this will spot some of them is just for i don't see this i'm the special that is to find out a better um well send that um the i think the funds that we have the sex videos imposed on you got the guns a clutch one because it's furnished on the functions that i'm gonna talk to the part of dental to delta be in the end of the content is it is um a clash or to job or you know, trucks on uh, the people that are uh, being protected, but most importantly we've had, i'm very sick, so i'm young called us and get you into the door bulk over the years. so the times when you've been, it was the lowest point to now when we sizing a we're about to be striving of the way. so it's unfortunate that this comes up to 10 windows discussions which we thought, wow,

yeah. and on the glavic site on the highest level of of the minutes. all right now, so i'm going to present himself trying to reach out to explain these discussions. don't send probably that much. so it's unfortunate. well, the sanctions triggered a fall and the value of the golden currency. how would you say that's effective, the nation in general and what's being done to stabilize the situation a bit slow, clean the the full that has spoken about is um was they've talked to one or 2 days and a little bit. so then i think i'll stabilize, i think you've done on the snow dr. this is in bold, a enough dentist that is generally um, uh somebody go to the weight of community and it's not intended tool made my heart to so to just to products that may not as will have almost a,

determining the decisions on how they leave. so i think that was it one or 2 days of all the functions, but after the ups and things of teaching it back to normal, say we, we had done to 10 day session and i think come, you've done as i've chosen to leave behind the 0 governments to ford for an unassigned ways. also, you know, minding, i kind of me, i guess this thoughts. well, it's interesting that these reports say that the greater part of these cuts concerned actually local infrastructure projects such as railway and power generation. why would you say they decided to power to target these sectors, specifically, which are essentially civilian sectors? and so that is what is surprising. but again, we don't speak on their behalf. um, but they have reasons the best known to them. but increasingly over the more funding governments, the directory had,

the seats of the low tomorrow was being shuttled eva through the government organizations, but also to uh, company, uh, 6 uh for this of this nature. um the castle lady we had done was started engaging is that would love to get involved from those who have started . we can get you through to a friend. the buttons include the china and the other. the deal with these will continue with the other options that we are starting to, to look at. but uh, broadly, yes, most of the estimates the role that, uh, the one book has had the in the, you know, infrastructure lives on the other totals and public sector services is um, because if it's logic to a, to a really title why, but um, we still don't do any of the com the, the, the decision to do so aimed at should show who gets on the side of this projects.

we have funding has already been completed all the way funding is ongoing. so hopefully this doesn't your house, but don't go see to the, to the teams planning going for. so you have to leave the resources to try to bridge the gap set up. yes, indeed. the public, the public has been to the effect of it in the system. but i think of the government of the present state where you want to go to one. that is making sure that a decent negative impact is not uh, widespread, unlucky. it's not felt by the one that you've done on this other think about too much. well, is there any talk that you know of about further limitations that might be imposed a so we tend to get a feeling about some times when the with the wall above promotions. and so they knew which i started going to see, and yeah, the agents is that the associates suggest is the one to bump. probably, you know,

so in suits about time. and when you get your next on the engagement to the president and the other 4, which is the continues we, we haven't have some position, doesn't put up close. i don't believe in partnership with be it didn't go to us in good faith would be. is that what other that see? all of us to choose that to me comes from us. a shift is the one of them is a possibility. we don't believe about is going to be less fun given to folks that's out of everybody who is beginning to really i'm not really that low on understand. realize is that one you still tell? oh, that's intended to talk. oh oh, you know, she, oh, you know, you must send people by so low that, that protect my in those under those that are from the probably see in decision making on but also to make sure that's our country of traditions and cultures.

obviously as the social media on the therefore for the independent country, i do not think, but i'm wondering what was to really say, we're going to assign some of the way of life that is all to the option to, to, to you. so i do what we have, i guess is on the other functions for that salt. i thought we were not in the study looking at at this point because of the box since the announcement to us man is a quite big kind of this is a backlash. let's do gonna shoot a professional meeting to stand by. and so this is what we the center this is we uh, contacted conditions. this is the new system. this is what is done for so would be the level of risk, but also getting back to the quote. do you think that you meant to be a hobby or poor potential? possibly making them realize that the kind of duties defined to me as opposed to

the approach that is being propose. well, i'd like to go back to what you mentioned about this and t l g b t bill actually being popular in uganda. it's something that it's a bit difficult for, i think a lot of westerners to understand. but i wanna understand how this financial loss that has come as a result of these restrictions. how it, how is it affected ordinary ugandans and hasn't changed their mind about the l g b t bill? it is too early uh, you know, before the deal or will it be was discussed before it was passed. i mean, monday, told me you're gonna see the difference is the best way to you succeeded in balance um its postage. and i mean they, they, they and uh, uh, doing uh, re sent to you for most minutes. um, still people supplemented. uh we've had um,

uh, it looked like keeps too excited to be able to determine whether that is um, i was thinking of somebody from, i don't know if the version of this is all canceled by any desktops or should we not have you been as living in the country, right. i truly do if shields, you know, i have to this within the g o world will not have a model number. you guys say, no, we need to always think, you know, i'm because they don't screw guys. ready along with most of the people have done a seduce and the able to, to tell what's that what it was about, i think comes from dr. 61. kind of see that this is a know that's the group, the screen this, this is a little button. so i get it up to you to hold on this what they said, a waiver, when you think about it from the defects over there, on the sanctions, this is a gun. those were different. i mean the, they,

they liked approval. you've got honestly uh trained are you done on. ready the industry, the culture you're gonna suck, like a lot of seems to 20 certainly come into the country, the sixty's for this going to be totally professional as children you made a call about on following the one problem for announcement. if your country is, is um, uh, uh, issues new trouble advisory on the, on the punch is that of how rich it was a bunch of deadlines to what would it mean, but to suit your brand. uh, if you go to bundle these you, you from dr. sacramento village, the g, you'll be ok with that. so those are the apple teachers. so i think of the visual to for beginning to realize that that's las vegas on the we potentially going to keep the numbers. we have a new one as well hope teen and it. ready will come to better they know most of the,

the number of this study p. oh, you know, they, they, they the cause of those and therefore to continue to be welcome to this. got to the point is that um maybe because of the bodies from they've got to read. yeah. international media, some of the you may seem to be to decline the trouble was the, the time. and that, that's before we manage to get access to media like yours, which i probably were balance utah under that decline. i fix the hospitality industry, the tourism industry under the a for a sick today, a supply chain. all those people who. ready i love with that like this from uh to this as quotes and stuff like that into the hotels you've been the country or would you like the launch or no, the 1st floor this way we developed this talk up for the slides and therefore a couple of these things are going to to, to have those on the evidence which could be on the how 6 are. well,

we like to load on the mendocino intermittency is going to be how 6 us operators that's coming from the west on the these goods. what a study dr. now, because of the funding in northern bank, how's it going to us? but again, the, as i said, you're going to the community. uh, we're trying to boost our productivity into some of these areas as well. well we, another product has been very clear on things like a bunch of other so on the west side it for them. ready to, to be able to more than the traditional beliefs and therefore we did it. but um, for the time being uh, in the shop, stop the adjustments including including uh, uh, the streaming ourselves on what we spend for the trouble is that so i'm going forward . we're going to, to be speaking up and to show it. yes,

we're very good recipient to come into the se. and uh, this is just a bump in the whole process. i'll give you a way to listed, and then i'll be on the move forward. all right, jim, i'm going to spokes person for you. gone to this finance ministry. thanks a lot for joining us on the program. you're finding it to the echo also is ready to intervene. militarily a new share of diplomacy fails. that was the blunt statement from the block of west african nations following a meeting of the group and gone on thursday. the fridays talk set to focus on a potential intervention plan. everything that saves the really and forces of west africa moved the military on disability and components. i read v to set the portable duty your video has been the most say the time on time big in the 1990 c library is really all

in code. you want me be so today guessing why are you going to be mean in need your muscle cereals, interest, speak here, but there's no going to die with. it was that dish and the threats of military intervention started 3 weeks ago after a qu, led to military leaders taking power. however, there hasn't been consensus on the use of force to restore the previous government . couple very day says it's unlikely to take part while gonna and, and i, jerry are split on the issue. elsewhere on the continent, algeria and chat have said that they strongly oppose interference while pertain of fossil. and molly have warrant that they will treat any intervention as a declaration of war. the african union responded by saying it's fiercely against any move on the chair. while in contrast, the central african block backs echo also stance against the coo government. in may, we gauged reaction and is here to see how people feel about the situation. the

video on the who did not give a demo validate to watch because has been tailor made to the president's in power and we did not need it. so whether eco wasn't convinced or not these guys ready for all options, we are ready. whatever eco was besides, we are ready for marty plas, god not to bring echo us. we lost more than 600 people killed by jo hodges. i support the military and god perse, anyone who doesn't love new. sure. can we believe that what is currently going on? a nice yeah, it is actually bigger than the saw hill regents. this is putting in question the democratic odor in west africa. i do that for care as a whole, if we find today is to prevent these kinds of things happening and to ensure future for our continent. illegitimate. i don't, jerry. and so i was still waiting for the results of the cost submitting a neighbor and gone out on the situation in new york. many people here are welding behind the national council for the safe guard of the homeland and in addition to demonstrations and declarations,

john new jerry and i have organized themselves in the citizen which committee to stay a vigilant over any potential military intervention. local sol, so say they're reassured by booking of fossil and molly smell entry support for this year. what is more after the acting prime minister's visit to charlotte news years, government has said it is open to diplomatic dialogue. now, even the united states has announced a new american ambassador will take office in the days to come. meanwhile, germany has given its backing to the sanctions against the new military leaders in new share. since the code yeah, may, has found itself under a blanket of sanctions from former western partners as well as from its neighbors and the eco watch group. most financial aid has been cut while echo off members also imposed travel restrictions. lots previously used sanctions against molly burkina, faso and guinea were 1000000, were military crews also took place. earlier we spoke with a, an international affairs analyst who thinks that african nations should unite and

seek diplomacy by all means possible. i wish somebody what will happen because we don't think, well we need the norfolk or i know these or so you know that a lot of game. so there are lots of missouri. you can see from the x of my country . so we have a cost there. are they, there, are they in front any also, you know, factors, well, the extra videos of factors, those, those on the same things, money for me to the system by themselves. you know, leslie responsible for most of the was you have in our lives and we hold that the continental pull themselves together and then show that we don't get time. so you know, to, to, to a situation where we can destroy enough else. destroying the infrastructure is that a lot of leaky and not be the full crisis? is ethan dimension already? i don't think that initial be able to so level to kind of sanctions that that did.

that stuff gets him right now. that is why i keep you assisting that issue on the table and talking good time. the countries of the economy claimed by that's he's the sure did believe lots leave on page. if you look up the duty piece of domestic indicators, then this is out that it comes. you can also live with these sections for every single day, you know, senior development of the strive he passed away from my desk to do that aspect of the future. you don't take it back once you've lost, you can always try, you know, just continue from, from, from, from where the, you know, to pick it up. you can't really take it back. once you've lost a prominent canyon politician and the opposition railroad didn't go, has taken offense. every, some comments made by the us and basset or the american envoys says the last presidential election of the east african country was free and fair. but oh, didn't go a former prime or a prime minister and had a b o z, meal party officially lost and that boat has maintained that the account was raked

. it tells the rogue and best of the kenya is not the united states. canada is not a colony of the united states mind your mouth while you are here. otherwise will called for your re called back to your country. us invested, or meg whitman said in recent days that last year's election was the most fair, transparent, and credible, and kenya's, history, east african countries government has stood behind that statement despite rising political tensions, including calls for rebuild. recently, more than 400 civil organization sent a letter to can you come to the canyon president william rudo warning about us and other western influence in the country. the statement specifically spoke out against western companies, lobbying for their own interests ahead of an african climate summit. and becoming an kenyon capital of nairobi. but to get more on this now we're gonna cross live to political strategist and commentator, ken bob, who in nairobi. thanks

a lot for joining us on the program. can. what do you make of this opposition? politicians, statements about western interference and kenya is affairs well, thank you so much. like you said, my name is kim level. um they would send it on that'll be county and also the national geo, the president of a political but just from this side. and this end demands, that's what made by the former prime minister. i'm the leader of a position i think uh waiting to guide sunday. and as far as to what the us on the bus about midway to month spoil got their diversion conference. i think yesterday, the, the, the, the person was not the was not impressed by any such sentiments. anyway, any other bustle knew anybody who knows what his violation is, lady to have somebody. but i would like to say that the form of i missed or not of, uh, taking the edition as uh, as a public feedback. and uh and uh,

what do you call listed on the order. so i've uh, addressed that issue in uh, you know, more visible and organized weight other than going, going head, going to go in hand on the, on my way to month. but i didn't know that the influence of the west ends and uh, specifically the u, as in uh, in the stuff in the country is uh, you know, if it got blood but uh, no, no, no, you took your stuff again, is still significant and it is something that we need to discuss what we need to have and the railroad being that was very good, particularly go. that not, not, not necessarily shutting midway to me on, but eh, that's communicating that if you are going to address issues by painting or the suffered thing that people are these guns, then you need to bring both bucks on the table so that you hear from both sides before you make your final judgment. i think that was the communication from the, from a prime minister. that maybe edmund ought to have a day or 2 before making such

a such such remarks of it wasn't good friends. what kind of concerns do you think people like ry loading the have and connection to strong us influence in the country when the it's good. it's good. clear. but uh, the united states of america guys, uh uh, but so much interest on much as much as a kid now. and most of the political, political side to get an uh, of, of getting out on the government on how things outlining these are, these are going to send that. and i love being that, you know, as of the push on lead down the lead. i mean, i feel, you know, the position as i know you have to step up and come to give something up to step up and april some pieces that cannot be tickled by local local. so number 19. no, no, no, i mean number 6 that so that i already, 9 is in his right says he understands what he was trying to been out. and i think these are, these guys are like, we need to, of openly, generally with

a lot of the people that so that we can control or either minimize or a, that we uh, influence the level of i mean, maintain the level of influence that the, you is having, you know, if you look at the progress elections, dallas big list was that the us tons improve the electronics and does updates and then people and they'll put it on site that still feeling that there is as to what unfortunately, looks like we lost communication with ken bob over there, but that was political strategist and commentator. ken bob will giving us more information about what's going on. and i, jerry right now. so anyway, that's all for this hour, but stay tuned for more news and just about 30 minutes here on our to international

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