and i believe there should be honest and direct and impactful, and this is direct impact. the so brazilian president luis ignacio little of the silva. suddenly all over them is his anger made headlines when he criticized ukrainian president. but a lot of major zalinski for not bothering to show up for meeting with him. well, as he's come to be known, says he waited and waited and waited. as a lendlease does, a lensky simply just never showed up. it is my tribal measure. they're both really ask, ask if you change, as you know here for them was who has tried to use a list of i thought that you, i think it will push it then to do it. you know, the model was, what did they made to do period with in the, it is a back was

a list, you know, very this is not a good look for mr. soleski, who seems to represent what has become the western mentality, really of treating latin american and latin america itself like an inferior step child. for example. so lensky has seemed ready and willing at all times to meet with any of the western leaders, especially the ones who come with money and or weapons. but what a prominent latin american leader a latino wants to meet with him to discuss a piece proposal. she doesn't show up why that took place by the way or didn't really i guess at the g 7 summit in japan. but since then, lola has been on a ram page with all kinds of stuff. he's pushing for a new order in latin america, or as he puts it,

reaching out to those. the west can't stand about that. he's reaching out to those. the west can't stand his words and he's doing so by criticizing the supremacy of the us dollar. i mean, out, in public traveling to china to meet with using think, hosting rushes for administer, but it's what lula is doing to unite latin america that has part of the world impressed. and another part of the world perturbed for starters, leader wants to push out the us dollar by creating that latin american currency. he made the recommendations after inviting the regions presidents to meet in brazil for the 1st regional summit in 9 years. the question is, can latin america assorted so can it you might, can find its identity. alas, after historic waves in the past, i'm swinging to the right and then swinging to the left and now apparently moving back more towards the kind of the left. by the way, in that vein,

the brazilian summit began with controversy when little embrace left us was that as well. and president nicholas madura and that caused several leaders including little guys more right of center president luis like guy a pile. and she lives left of center president gabrielle boric. to criticize the embrace and to criticize my dural direct. and i would have that, like giving this letter like the for the games do it on the bus you is on the say, this one of the problem i, you know, going the glad i soonest in the for them. and then we'll have to come on who are on hold. if you've seen him, but the laziness you got the phone, but it was the least the defense that they might give them a photo. somebody see between put them there you want. if, if it, if it will, somebody think of the new maybe could about as have a look at another present the yeah. so yes, there is once again, a move toward the ideological left in latin america,

the defeat of the cool government in bolivia, the election of castro in the home during the rise of address one way lopez open a door in mexico. the historic collection of gustavo pet, throw in columbia, now the return of lima in brazil suggest a new pink tide is daunting. but is this really about audiology? is it really about ideology, or is there more to this than that? because that's what you're gonna read and all out of the newspaper headlines. here's the point. here's the point. latin america seems to be more about unity and integration these days than it is about who's the less the and who's the rice. but they seem to be more interested in is moving away from a dependency on the united states. why? wow, because 200 years of monroe doctrine has gotten them very little in return and it may be time to look elsewhere. and that is why this new integration or this move

toward unity and cooperation. latin america is different from the former. oh yes, the bottle or even the more recent. sure. model. one from the right one from the left. why? because it may be less about left and right. maybe shouldn't be less about left and right and more about what's practical. in other words, what lula, another line, american leaders seem to be looking for our alliances and not just any alliances, what they want. our relationships based on, based on mutual respect, relationships with ball countries, including the big ones, russia, china, the us, iran, spain, india, among others. and here's a problem for some of those countries, like elephants, many enlighten america. never forget, you know what they say about elements, never forgetting, right? they're not going to forget their spanish routes, which is tied to their language and the music and the culture in general mind. however, it's also tied to the slaughter and abuse events indigenous population. not to

mention the average young latino american is much more at these days to listen to me or i get tone and hang out in a multi cultural or multi racial setting. then identify with a country that is still represented by my my best. i mean, look at this picture. do you think this is americans? whatever. identify with queen latisha spain, $47.00 looking riggle, and a recycled down by caroline the herrera for galler portraits with king philippe taking it to such swell palace in madrid as the royal family releases their new official portraits as not exactly a good match. latin american millennials don't exactly look at that and say i, yes, that's be and then there's the u. s. you know, it's hard for latino americans to forget the and the incident with the c. i a removed the president. they simply didn't like more than 100000 who died in

guatemala, simply because the president there suggested land reforms. oh, what the us did in columbia or argentina, or the assassination attempts in cuba, or even more recently, the crews are cool attempts and men as well and bolivia in ecuador. so maybe for latin american leaders. it's not about being scared of this. that's her last day or that she's stuff a writing. it's more about being practical. it's more about discerning when it comes to choosing with whom to partner. and then there's the countries that they may have traditionally not known, maybe even feared or just been on familiar with countries like russia, china, india, and others who are now engaging in latin america and saying at least in some measure, some measure to be making positive impressions and joining us now to talk about this is there still one company, you know, he's a ecuadorian journalist who's really covered stories all over the world,

but he's in particularly keen on latin america. let me start by asking for this as that one. what do you think of this interview with this meeting that luna was supposed to recently have with mr. zalinski of ukraine and mr. zelinski never even showed up. it just didn't show up. what does that say? what does it tell you as well, it says to me that uh that uh they understand the ways that the landscape particular he understands like he's not going to get much from luna who am i currently standing? and he, he's leading the way, you know, way to, to these new multi paul, our world that we are witnessing the farm in front of our very eyes. so of course, polanski would have found him off, of course, the landscape would play that card. you know, a why, why fact to him, why do you see the point anymore? they've trifocal airs. nothing. america says i, i think of it. i see it a little differently than you do. and maybe i'm wrong and you're correct. but maybe it's because i'm very sensitive because i am

a latino american right. and i've grown up in a world that always has seen me and the confidence that i come from as an inferior step child. we just don't matter to most of these big countries along the west and i think the landscape feels like he's not you know, lot number of is not worthy for him. i mean, he's getting is, but just by great britain, the united states, every country in the world is coming to pay him homage. why would he meet with a latin american country? that's what i think. maybe i'm wrong. i see you're fine. i see your fine thing. uh, if did was i few years ago i would, i would completely agree with you, but now i feel things have changed and i feel because um, you know, your credit, the situation with the, with the web funds over there, we'd like to know that there was basically, depleting their arsenals just uh, just so that with your credit has come, uh, keep up the 5. is that just, you know, it shows you that, uh, that is not going the way they want it to go. they need the help of the all their

concerts, they need the help of the global south, but they, they're not getting it anymore. they're not getting it or they won't get it. well, the only reason i mentioned that is not so much the talk about your claim, but i, i'm, i'm particularly interested in how latin america research itself because i feel like latin america is trying to reassert itself right now. find its identity. and what is, is it, what it is? it's identity because it seems like we've been playing this game for 2 decades in latin america. where is latin america's to the left, latin americans to the right. latin americans to a left. and after a while it just seems stupid. it's like the only thing that anybody ever talks about. the only story that comes out a lot of americans always is it to the left or is it to the right? let me check. you know what i mean? yeah. i understand completely where you're coming from, you know, and i think that is a w, but the people who pay attention, you know, i think if you ask and one of the us, what is nothing america, i knew suddenly, bass is going to be. ease are back, there is

a place that does what we tell them to do, and that has been the history of loving america for too long. and now we're seeing . gotcha, is we're seeing a change and uh and uh, and it is other time and with the less these are coming to power it. i'll always, i think it goes beyond that. i don't agree with you. i do think it goes beyond just, you know, i left them right. i think this is on the question of north and south. well, that's interesting because what, what i believe is happening is that it has 4. tell me if i'm wrong, but for latin america to find itself, it has to worry less about its political ideology and more about the relationships that it's forges the relationships that it forges. because it seems to me that for the past 200 years, it really has only had 2 fundamental relationships, spain and the united states. that's not true. true enough about what we're seeing, china, you know, china happy thoughts, a strong presence. and maybe a few years ago and had a stronger presence as he does now. in actuality,

both china has been expanding everywhere. and again to go back to noon, i have to go back to it, but i see it. we're seeing it with briggs, with breaks. we're seeing it with a new development, but we're seeing these alliances not so much form us consolidate as, as gain weight. and you know, nothing. america is a huge part of that as, as last month the south thumb commander is usa and that i see was the main thing. how much you know on do a place for me or are there sorry. is there using nothing america you particular and what is it called alisium triangle? you know a which is cheat i believe. yeah. and i believe i could do you know about a wire. i made a mistake, but this is just say that, you know, just set it all right. we don't know what our advertisers are doing here. and this is such an important reason because they called 60 percent of the words meet the soft cars. you know, they kind of loose and they kind of loose like reaping these reason. but they are because this is what is happening across the world is not as nothing america you're

seeing, it is southeast asia we're seeing across the are of world. we're seeing it in uh, in the nation just it's on. so how about, yeah, well, you know what, let's do this. i wanna, i want to take a break and i want to come back and i want to ask you a little bit about something that is god or something that's in the soul of latin americans. and many of us grew up with that word. can we stop and, you know, i'm thinking of a young young the style. yeah. whatever, you know, and there's these, there's these big mazda we still have in our mind that we have to get over. because even though we hate what the united states has done in our hemisphere in our continents, we also still look at the united states like the ones that are different then supposed to be more correct. and when we see china and russia, we still in our minds, look back to what they used to be. and what's in our head to me overcome that in

china and russia over combat or getting the people american grown up. now they don't even care anymore. they just want somebody who's going to do a big deal for, we're going to talk about this when we come back with a stay one kind of the echo during journals. the, [000:00:00;00] the, by the early 1950 kenya became one of the centers of resistance to colonialism. in africa, the british invaders infringed on the most basic rights of the local population. great britain pursued the policy of squeezing out the local population from their

indigenous lands. the best airable areas were given to white farmers, dooming canyon step father de and hunger. this caused the sharp protest of the peasants and led to the emerging of the mile mile movement, which started the fight against the invaders. the rebels felt themselves canyon land and freedom army disappeared. the leader of the movement would be anti colonial. active as jo mo kenyata, the freedom fighters used guerrilla tactics and attacked the individual units of the british troops. the latter responded with massive air raids and artillery effects. when suppressing the uprise of london relied on the maximum cruelty over $50000.00 kenyans were killed. about 300000 people were thrown into prisons and concentration camps, where tortures in no way inferior in girl z to the nazis was widely practiced. the veracity of the colonial list only led the temporary success. in 1963,

the british empire had to recognize the independence of gain. yeah. however, the colonial regime left behind a trail of blood and wounds that canyon nation has not recovered from on sale. now, the, the, the, the bell in our, in case you visited file. we couldn't help, but notice that not too long ago, ukraine sent a new ambassador to present. first the follow up. as we have reported here previously, presidents a landscape failed to show up for

a meeting with brazil's president le let himself as we mentioned earlier and seemed to be just interested in hearing his piece plan ideas. lot, as we mentioned, did not take the sitting down and he lashed out of the landscape for this an upright. well, recently soleski had to name a new and basset or to present guess who we picked. it's. it's kind of interesting . so he chose a, a dude named andrey melnik, andrey melnick, who used to be in cranes on void to germany. why is his appointment not where the you ask? well, because during his time in berlin, melnick hurled some angry tirades and costs of his job. in may of 2022, he labeled german chancellor. busy of uh, shoals on a funded liver sausage for not visiting t of and then he went on a twitter and told a law must to pass off for suggesting

a peace plan with russia doesn't sound so diplomatic about that. anyway, this is going to be an interesting parry, don't you think lula melick now let's get back to our and so we're back with the stairwell and got a video to talk about this and. and by the way, um, we apologize for the connection with this dave on, it's a little fuzzy. he's coming to us today cuz he's in lebanon and not exactly the best technical set up there. but it's more important to be able to understand what you have to say because you're such an experienced journalist and you know a lot about this particular topic. so let's go back to that real quick as i've been thinking of my latino american. and i think there may be a lot of people like me out there that when they think of russia and china, the 1st thing they think about is, you know, going east. and they were told that if you're a part of that system or rush or they don't believe in don, and we'll take your children away, you know, all those missed that are out there. how,

how much will that interfere in latin america's relationship to forge these relationships with countries like china and russia and iran in india and whoever that seems maybe a little more foreign to them instead of uh, yes, uh well, right? yes, i think uh, well 1st last year, a question you know, like i think we need to, to, to highlight that. uh, i don't think uh china can truly because either a communist state and it has uh, its capital leasing with chinese characteristics of the same as rush. i rush says the farthest thing from companies and you know, is this is, this is from uh how long ago this is to like, you know, more about a century ago. this is uh, the fear mongering has been ongoing. and i, but i think that uh saw me and nothing america. we're still have people that are very and misled by our media by or off all the pieces. you know, there is a narrative that exceeds you. 9, of course, like like you said before the break, the united states, i was all over. the no reason always being you know, that the place that you need to be the place, you know,

that you need to be call as well. you know about may have, is married to may or may not. but i think this is the following. do you know because he becomes, is i like i'm on the list, take our way of thinking and you don't see anything else. you just see the one thing that is being just shut down your throat every single day. and now to, to bring and china to bring in russia. i think it's, i think it's gonna be less difficult, especially now in, in, in our modern era, you know, where we live, where everybody has netflix, where everybody has a. so i think talk, you know, on like, uh, we are more connected on that or, and i mean as much as to that, you guys, i'm used to the east as well, you know, and uh, in, you know, a like we see china going into media. so far now the same is happening everywhere. yeah. but you know, we don't take this the wrong way, but you're an intellectual, so you're very caught up. i wasn't talking about reality. i was talking about perception and i get your point. and by the way, i think, and, and, and i made note of this in my intro. i think there's

a huge movement in latin america line, america's being led by a very young, very young population. unlike by the way, the united states in china and russia. and, and those folks have less and then the, i would believe you tell me, because you're the expert. i would leave the young latin americans have less of a tendency to think that way you'll have a thoughts. so for example, when they see spain, they'd probably laugh at these pictures of this king and this queen with their royalty and their crowns and all this crap. it's like who the hell are you right. there's a disconnect between young latinos today and both the united states and spain, for example, or any of those european countries. yeah, i think so. i agree with you completely and where there's a completely new generation. this is the globalizing, the race. and this is, we don't know what's going to happen. it's very difficult to, to predict that. but the only thing i would predict is that uh, we're no longer gonna leave under

a single system in the single day that us system. and just like of our young people, when people are ready to accept, they may be more welcome. you know, of all of these and also a, you cannot forget a nothing america the, the goal is not just to be, you know, like, uh, be able to be friends with ross or be able to be friendly. china is to be call ourselves into an on, on, you know, economic energy, a productive power. you know, a like of a you, why the, the, you was farm. why kind of, we, for more on the lines like that we, we have so many resources just to go back to the lithium that i was talking about. tell me why new law is or is not the right person to help forge the new identity of latin america. i think a lot is, uh, what are the people that are supposed to receive them on that i can see it at a table with anyone to discuss anything. he has shown it before. he is i'm on the

flies has gone to jail for his belief. he's not mind that uh with the most recent, you know, he's most is uh uh, his wife in jail. if he like. he may have so many lots of advice you think he still came back is still going back to power depressing. and the 1st thing he did, he says, i've seen these back, but i seen his back and we are going to take our spot because we are, we are the biggest economy and nothing america. and we are, you know, part of briggs and we are going to develop a new car as it is, is that the from a lot and you know, when you, you asked me at the beginning why that is. the last case said when he thinks about us makes the most of us are less, you know what type of man he's that he only was very complex. he doesn't want to have a conversation. you know. so of course i think in my, in my own personal belief, i think luna is a perfect person to boost these forward. because even though the only on those fast, they necessity, he understands how the process needs to be conducted. and he has a goal, and he's goal is for south america to be a capable of,

of conducting deals in a common courtesy to be capable, to not be subservient to anyone, not even brush. i'm not even china. we welcome that we will welcome them. but that doesn't mean that we're going about, we're not going to fall down to then we're going to work. we're going to have a respectful relationship, but that has to be and that's why i think no is the perfect person to do this because he's the, he's showing and he's shown it before. and he's gone a couple of the far as long as he lives. he's going to show a visa, visa drive, or change for change of benefits. every one, most of the people that believe what he believes are not just the people that you know that he says in a circle. do you think the problem in the past was that latin americans who tried to read that new way that new identity as we were calling it were always either scape goaded as a lefty or a righty, or 2 tied to one side or the other,

or maybe i should ask you the question this way, what get, what is lula doing now? that wasn't done in the past. what, why didn't somebody come along 10 years ago and do and say the things that lula is now saying and doing, or did a. and we just missed, i think we were doing it. i think the, i'm sorry they were going to be not like where they are when, when i sort of west farm. i think uh on the challenges we saw a lot of changes like these and nothing america. and they weren't follow through the 100 people for many reasons. you know, this is not the fault of, uh, of you know, of a single unable entity. this is, uh, this is uh, you know, mistakes that were made along the way. and obviously these programs were abandoned and now they're being um, you know, trying to be uh, reformed revive. but the difference now what the real difference now is, and i need to go back to the breaks is and there's the size of the economy, of the sponsors, you know, like, uh, i was seeing a record recently that shows that breaks at their g, d, p. is, is larger than the g 7, you know, there's a 7 that are being held for so long as,

as these like, you know, like this close exclusive cloth. this group of 5 dose of mesh does not have a bigger to repeat. and then what do you think, and i don't mean to interrupt you, but this doc came to my head and i just have to say it because you just did a comparison between lula and the other to learn american liter from the past that you mentioned, i think were chavez, and it came to mind that since chavez is kind of a take off on fidel castro. so in the past you had fidel castro and low chavez as the defacto leaders of the identity of latin america. and i think, and i'll just talk to you as an american latino, and i know that makes you and i different both of them had serious credibility problems almost because they were too far to one side. is lula not also faced with that same problem? is he not too far? what makes little difference? well, i think it's different. i think the stands on a different platform and he has the same the staff for the same uh,

the same believes that the van and establish the balloon from his 1st there. i mean, office, he was never, she's never consolidated power out of himself. he always had, you know, a bureau government, he tried to work with everyone. you know, sometimes i was confused on that you meant what to do. and now we're seeing it the same, like i said, uh roughly it's not a company's sponsored time. instead of coming to the country to be smarter about political ideology anymore. this is about working together. this is of respect i most already mentioned that that's something that new life postal parts and just try to see the to see the entity to they express that in different ways. they could, they built their systems in different ways, but no, nothing, not. and do not i, i not even think is possible the rest of them because i feel there is also very, very, very, very, very strong not by for me the sentiment as you saw when they, when there was a not a test drive to take over the the 1st of the tribe they did take all their, you know, so we saw no, no, this is a country that these are gonna happen easily. you know, this is, uh, so i was,

i think that's what makes sense then different a particular luda. well said, my friend is still on got a jo, ecuador, and journalist. delightful conversation about the future of one of the most important regions in the world. it's never ever really been treated, but nonetheless, thank you again. would you? i just thank you, eric. nice to be see, before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. it's simple, really decided to the world a little bit right. stop living in these little boxes where one side never talks to the other side or here's any other opinions about what they want to hear to. some of them boxes just don't live in boxes, they're everywhere. amex interest. i'll be looking for you again right here, where we hope to provide direct impact the

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