progressive era coming on, so you know, this moon landing us live on the land. i don't know what the future historians will say about how she was as the boss of european union. she famously said that you're down to recycling silicon chips from dishwasher and washing machines because of the sanctions. how many discharges in washing machine is it it take for the moon that the moon to 25 to a stop is moon based on the moon? well uh, i view that no single washing machine a software. yep. so uh, i believe that's uh, i'll wait, industry managed to launch this space and without the use of any of seats chrome or the sophisticated washing machines a to be serious i, i believe this is the, this is the significant step. we're always basing the street. we have on the lease for quite a long time and it's a landmark for 12 and drove oh yeah,

actually most seriously about the sanctions before i get to the break summit of inside the advocate tomorrow. what does it mean that some of these companies now returning to ship volkswagen of georgia? so batteries oh, these companies are coming back to russia and they just going to be welcome back with open arms even though they refuse to, in a sense, support the rush of war effort to against what date sees are naziism in your as well actually last year are those and so companies, spectrum companies left, some of them did this the most, lia, office of disability to the significance law professionally calling me now when it turns out that the rest of the market is still required. beek, and significant that they are taking financial was due to the ever drawing from the market. so some of the of those who have left aren't getting back. and actually, as far as i know,

the government does not do mine from them or any political commitments. so there was a i why it's to be docs, this tends to the penalties were abandoning russia. and because when it comes to batteries, say, i mean there's only a rush or manufacture batteries should take precedence. you'd think if the government believes that they were steadfast in the war effort as well. you see that it's easy to use the market. it's very high hop to get it back. right. so uh and uh, i would say the political factors here are, are crucial the economy and mattress much more when the restroom company just left the office. uh, replace them quite quickly. i mean, 1st of all, russian competitors and those 2 little western states, they were quite fast to go. so now it's quite a tricky task to get back of this, this market back. well,

no matter what's happening with interest rates and the currency, it's all very different to how west and analysts and corporate mainstream media in nature, nations have is as regards the russian economy, but that's go to breaks. then, i mean, massive changes to the global political architecture, but you don't think it looks ridiculous. the vladimir putin cannot go to the brick summit because south africa thinks it might arrest. we are in bricks. i mean, what sort of situation is rush here in that is lead to, is in prison did most as well. uh, i would say that the, wheres the situation is ridiculous. um, so i believe that it's ridiculous cuz the russian government has not got the south african government to agree to allowing him to cut him shortly. well, i will say that it comes to the country is reputation. look last them

uh times to the dresser. right. so, so, uh, it seems that so all the sites would benefit from the presence of, of the russian leader. but anyway, the, the rent is significant and so their capability of the economy is, of the member states of great member states is quite huge. now the distinction is to give pressure, there is a drawing understanding in the west of groups. that's what efforts to be done to be on the low total of us. so alternative financial system look to be solved. yeah, i made, sorry to interrupt, but ne donations are we looking at break and saying, yeah, whatever that to him, i did all arise ation in a new world. they can't even get the russian leader there because such as the power of washington, which isn't even a member of the international criminal court, such as the bout of the or b and union. and this court that is in prison, mostly

a black african leaders. the persian gotten even go to the meeting. there's a win for brussels, there's a wind for london and washington. this cannot stop the fundamental changes in their approaches of new invest in countries to the international finance. so the position of this, uh us, last financial system increases concerns in the little bit the rules and increases the search for alternative ways to main thing, normal market. so financial transaction, what? sorry you, you may say that to put the add to the rest of the well, it shows such as the pressure on 0 round posts or, and i don't know with around the place it would be live without the sacrifice of the russian people during about died south africa when britain in the united states was supporting the about ed regime. and i mean there's really opposed to saying he's the con, guarantee, the safety of foods. and what exactly is going on? why? why exactly is your understanding is why booting is unable to travel to to south

africa. well, or because there is, there is a risk that unfortunately the edges yourself south africa may, uh commit to them on a wonderful day international criminal. what sam, they may uh, actually the taken an efforts to uh, to just de know what to make any professional or uh, action against the uh, there are so liter. so there is one and given this context. so getting lever will contrast to what that comes out of the south african government, the decision as far as they know that the ministry or participating. so in the meeting. and so well, let's hope that no political incident, so real happened around his beast. well, fairly boot didn't put, it isn't,

isn't going to go. i mean, what apparently the post a did say russia would be at war with south africa. defacto, if a boot him was arrested on arrival. can you see how this looks? i mean, the russia has completely lost the appeal and propaganda war in nature. nations in europe, in britain, in the united states would be some people may say the site be changing now because of the amount of money that boring into the, at the expense of error and populations. so, the russian lives is the propaganda war there. and now the brick summit, it looks like this as well. uh, i wanna say that the game russell used to be the propaganda war. the gold rushes to promote this national interest, right. so now it's clear that the, there, the structure of the media narrative for in the need the congress is, uh, uh, most favorable to any of them to bring the tentative for point of view. right?

so it's simply useless to who is in this kind of point where we're, what we're seeing, the west is the rise. oh, there. oh oh, alternative begins to beach are of more sensitive to the russian and use them reach increasing the taking them into the account. yeah, to those voices diminished deliberately by european powers sometimes by laws such as such as in uh, britain. you don't think that behind the scenes there will be people at the break. so i'm it saying look, we can play this both ways. we're getting the cheap brushing energy, a discount rates, and it's fine. you know, we had the day on the vehicle with a m p on the she threw or the other day. he's talking about the favorably about the massive india washington arms deal 5 year roadmap. they're doing all this the

playing it all, both sides and it's fine. and presumably when only hearing about the kind of all the stresses and pressure, let me just think, let lula president luna over zillow is on this program. and talking about the fact of washington back, who against him. and he's, they're smiling with vibe and only the other month. i mean, i was the see, how do you see that as well? uh, i would say that this is a natural state of affairs. these are the store in boards, right? so they have the interest in originals the west or with the united states in particular. and this is not the goal of the dresser to get towards them from the west. so the point of russia is just to have an alternative pride. so look to be 100 percent dependent on one p of there in the international war. the right address actually proposes so to criminal, tentative stewart to, to, to cover the justification of financial relations,

political relations, etc. so the rest of the point is not about there. is that the choice between them and us? right? yeah, but i mean, there's a class element here. we know all about how russian leads. we've been educators in the so called west and business schools and the like learning neoliberalism of biology. they a well to those who don't support that. the idea although g, but he's a infest or most go society. you know, you go to moscow in the, there's a newspaper called the most good times on the table in the hotel going everything booting does is rubbish and you have the country is going to, the dogs is a little i give you stay at the equivalent hotel in london way you see a newspaper saying, well actually saying the same thing and not criticizing its own government. oh, well, well i was not always a jury, the restroom education along the use of the reference to have the section

indication, right? because the, sorry, sorry to interrupt. you don't know these most commonly type children. you'll run off to your and the, and the, some of the move escape the draft as well. some of them did, but so i mean you, all of us have north rides or so we'd still be we should look over a junior lawrence. same is about the diesel uh, in the west or in china. right. so worst of those people are getting a better understanding of the congress where they get diplomas, but at the same time, they are getting free to go professionals use, right, which they can implement here in the restroom. so it's not just about organization, nor softball, but you're right in the sense that the rest of the media or why can flash will um, what's rational ex, use uh the, the existence of similar media capability is a globally present having some of you have a stop you that well from the program director of the valve,

the club and director general of the russian international affairs council. up to this break the acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show search like why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department, the c i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do, don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time. but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you a day. and this is new and never done with trigger the general escape. that

means national government cut it into the economy much maybe into that and then it goes back to do because of the $22.00. and yeah, i just wanted to accept that. and then i'll send that to us and then we'll just have my son. he's got the message, he's ticket and sick on the status, i need you to turn to the physical reality. to turn just is 75. i mean so that he presents your home phone, go off, try and pull it from lam. i'm not really sure. i'll agree to get very loud as the funny thing about this. as soon as to resume this will be too much too much. it will stay loaded onto

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professor ivan kimball fan program, director of the validate club and director general of the russian international affairs council veto professor. i was talking about the problems at home, maybe plus a dimensions to it. just explain how it is that i mean, even nature, nation media couldn't avoid the fact. how is it the advisors g, d, p by b, p b, has made rest of the strongest economy in europe, despite being the most sanctioned country in history. last year, most of the cost and why the approximately going to mean would slump significant? mean bucks the, almost all of them failed, right? so in reality, the economy of defaults wides, well, i will say that the blacks problems, the number of problem solving here,

is the kind of the major kind of the problem is the course of the initial crisis. however, the financial system is quite stable. the supplies of some critical goods are quite stable too. and this is what is the most important is that there are russian producers are feeling much better in the the so it's a decent big waste. they are now having less competitors and they have more space on the market so to, to, to operate. right. so i'm not surprised now that the russian economy shows this results. how well my income is ms. white horses that are still or a number of programs we have to do. so including the substitution of critical equipment, which is now under the extra control of the us and european union in dollars. can you know trade? uh, are you talking about electronics?

the yeah, it's like there's no st. a goal or so to some extent to be are replacing the was this uh um by means of all on industry. but this is not enough for because the reason of this china is not even you and try nissan. all of the state extensions to the essential by the united states, especially in terms of cheats in terms of semi conductors. so in the sense we are in the same boat as china and we have to promote all industries. even got a lack of preparation and strategy on the part of the russian government about of the booting government. that they didn't see that the importance of having a strategic power in, in these industries at the united states has triumphed with the big 5 electronics companies. like amazon, apple, and meta and we google well actually the understanding of the significance of these branches. they are even before the crisis in ukraine. however,

now uh, the extra control from the west is a huge score to promote the development of our own production. and the wherever we cannot achieve for me just needs to cooperate with dollars without a friend was based as the goal that i'm on china is the model of the, the major parkerson. this results in this or not because of all of this is not in a vacuum. and we've seen that while the conflict in the war rages in your we've seen the united states and play in nigeria in ecuador bases in the philippines. and now the senate foreign relations you have open and is a threatening care gets done. explain the significance of what's going on in care gets done and how maybe it's emblematic. they can go into any global south country and threatening them as well. uh, recently for the companies from previous time have been sanctioned by the us

department of the treasury highway. it should be noted that these companies are quite small and the bull is brand new. i wouldn't over exaggerate this looking sanctions. so i think this company is, if you look at the district store, the 2nd restrictions to the nature of them and the starting point, you will see that most of them i used to use quite small companies to be trying used, usually use testing to meet yours i mean, fidel castro showed how you beat sanctions, but do you think the era of to him after the game with miss upgrades is shown this ukraine's situation really means the end of the united states, the weapon of choice that is heard so many families all around the world for the decades now, you burst are wide, so significant stations and it's still a disease. so as a soren's dates. uh, right. so with the rest of these much of the economy, it's much harder to isolate. it's uh, actually the russian experienced is

a huge signal to august to get prepared to similar scenario. i mean the china or use the burg with getting these experienced into account very seriously. and others to. yeah, of course, life expectancy now higher in cuba than the united states and famous name is cube, and it helps the end goal or against the british american back to apologize regime e nang angola. i don't know whether that will be talked about at the break. so i'm it tomorrow. what does your understanding of the role of this wagon a group? because well, as the nature of nation media clearly tried to ignore the st. petersburg summit was so busy, african representatives were present. i think some of them looked a gust at the how russia had managed to have such a conference in the 1st place. they keep saying all that these. yeah, the, the radium supervisor needs. yeah. this is all because of lag. now what is the role

of wagner is your understanding is now, and i mean, what is it, what, who is for goes and just very briefly because a lot of people are confused about what all that was. well, actually there are lots of situations so around, so both of wonder mr. crawford more than i believe that's what doesn't happen is that the story within st. petersburg was no just a number of different reasons, right? so it's implies the concrete, substantial things, including the corporation in, in the information security in energy in the, a, you number for industrials, let's use the hidden cation, etc. so this, this was not just the declaration, right? it was not just the post. and of course, the dresser is increasingly apps a supply or for security to example for african states. why did anybody

do use privatized military elements? i mean, we told them in cuba, i mean, they opened the said we're going to help places like angola when they were facing british american apartheid racism in the south african troops that when i con rusher in china, come to a deal to help these countries in the face of what's clearly, i mean in the case of nigeria, we now know home fact, so we had the nigerian leader and how we was related to drug dealers in chicago. i mean, surely now is the time for china and russia to start putting troops in africa to stabilize these countries from us and nato aggression? well it's, it's pretty hot to command. so these security free us because most of them, uh, mission, the invitation. i mentioned the invitation of governments of african not just moving in like the united states does. oh yeah. well actually uh the contemporary international relations have uh, different dimensions,

right. and so the uh, business 300, just the through the division of security reasons long before the emergence of russell product military company is right. remember american companies in the, in the vegas, for instance? so i would say that this is not just the russian, the french related to russell, because the russians copying that failed example of the americans. well, the, i will say that this is their failed example, but there is a trend that social security for the security and security and start getting more diversified is the existence all the state efforts in this business. do you think russia is going to give up the war of it attrition and go for some kind of knockout blow and finish this so will once and for all against that age or back forces in, in ukraine, or is it, is it trish in the way forward well what we see now is that the counter offense of

43 and troops is instigating. you've got collapsing some cars to the roster operation. the calendar events, obviously, potentially, i guess i looked through this the best of the, the previous radio for negotiations. uh, the dresser uh and ready to be for the rest of the concerns. bob. so the fact that uh there was a crate and coming through the fence is collapsing. uh is uh, bolstering the uh, the rest of the positions. clearly, when, i mean this isn't anniversary of afghanistan as well. yeah, this month, the defeat of the united states as longest war and hollywood is not being able to even come to terms with that when it comes to soft power. the right. as we act as though, oh, culturally leads and nato nations are not able to come to terms with some of the

natures recent defeats. do you think of russia, china, the brakes countries will ever be able to compete with the kind of cultural capital that hollywood and the big television corporations of new york have over the entire world? i mean, as far as i understand it, r t is not that readily available in south africa amongst cables on cable operators . so there you have a cnn, and other i'll google propaganda outlets beaming out into the townships while the big stomach goes on. how i was trying to imagine some of the global south country is going to get that message through as well. is um, is it gonna be it's uh uh, box. uh, actually what we see here is uh that uh, china barn rusher and the number of others other uh great powers of trying to promote the beavens and the,

the one products like designed like this. so when you look at the chinese see them a for you to see what the production is now developing wipes the wine trip only, right? it's still comparable to what's box. actually, they are why they few white white well, in the a domestic market. and the domestic market is 1400000000 of people, right. so it's quite huge. i mean, just find the, some people say that the russian government and russian strategies have continually assumed the that their opponent is rational throughout this situation. the terrible tragedy of 14000 did since we grew into you have in 2014. how far do you think biden will go in winning this war as he sees it? of course we will lose in any will. how far is he going to go given that we now know pigeon was hoodwinked by engel america and the rest of them? it them in grievance, i don't know why boots and believe them right now is the think tanks like it was

the is your ro rushing offense council prepared for how far biden is to go? whether it'd be $400.00 to bite and then the contract or foot how tony blink and then the risk sees what are the contracts, but us hedge a monic bout as well as you that would be me read. this is the class of different rest analysis. so on the one hand, it's rational for the united states to make a deal to dress and not to spend these huge resources to support your green. and so to, to, to, to have to face the risk of frisco ration and including the situation to the nuclear colson. one the other hand, there is another finality, which implies the feel defeat this year, all the loss of space, right? the, the, the theatre, most recreation, etc. so the question is,

what's are fidelity? we real a bit. now of course it's pretty hot to, to 45 of these are in any reliable way. the 1st item of, and i guess you and that's it for this year. we'll be back on saturday with the penultimate episode of the season until then you can keep in touch by role as social media, if it's on sense in, in your country and head to our channel going on around tv on mobile dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground seas that day the the, with the end of world war one. the move in for an indian independence from the

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