you know, if this moon landing us live on the land, i don't know what the future historians will say about how she was the boss of the european union. she famously said that you're down to recycling silicon chips from dishwasher and washing machines because of the sanctions. how many dish washes and washing machines did it take for the moon that the noon a 25 to a stop this moon based on the moon? well, uh, i view that no single washing machine a software. yep. so uh, i believe that's, uh, i'll wait, you can just to manage to the once this station the resolved the use of any of seats from one of the sophisticated washing machines a to be serious. i, i believe this is the, this is a significant step. we're always facing the street. we have on the lease for a quite a long time and it's a landmark for 12 and over. yeah,

actually more serious say about the sanctions before i get to the break summit in south africa tomorrow. what does it mean that some of these companies now returning to russia, volkswagen of georgia, sol, batteries, these companies are coming back to russia and they're just going to be welcomed back with open arms even though they refuse to, in a sense, support the rush of war effort to against what date sees are naziism in your well, actually last year are, those are the silver companies spectrum companies left. some of them did this to mostly office of disability to the significant slump, professionally calling me. now, when it turns that the rest of the market is still required beek, and significant that they are taking financial was, is new to the ever drawing from the market. so some of the, of those who have left aren't getting back. and actually, as far as i know, the government does not do mine from them or any political commitments. so there,

uh, they are wise to be docs. this tends to, they feel for the penalty for abandoning russia. and because when it comes to batteries, say, i mean there's only a rush of manufacture. batteries should take precedence. you'd think if the government believes that they were steadfast in the war effort. well, you see that it's easy to use the market. this very high hop to get it back. right . so uh and uh, i would say the political factors here are crucial, big caught them in mattress much more when the rest and company just left the office. uh, replace them quite quickly. i mean, 1st of all, russian competitors and those 2 little western states, they were quite fast to go. so now it's quite a tricky task to get back this, this market back. well,

no matter what's happening with interest rates and the currency, it's all very different to how west and the analysts and corporate mainstream media in nature, nations have is as regards the russian economy, but that's go to breaks. then, i mean, massive changes to the global political architecture, but you don't think it looks ridiculous. the vladimir putin cannot go to the brick summit because south africa thinks it might arrest. we are in bricks. i mean, what's the situation is rush here in that is lead to, is in prison did most as well. uh, i would say that the words, the situation is ridiculous. and so i believe that it's ridiculous because the russian government has not got the south african government to agree to allowing him to cut him shortly. well, i will say that it comes to the country is reputation, not last them. uh, it comes to the dresser. right. uh so uh it seems that so all the sites would

benefit from the presence. so for the rest of the leader, but any way the, the rent is significant and uh, their capability of the economy is of the members based on group members. stage is quite huge. uh now the distinction is to keep pressure. there is a drawing understanding involved with the groups. that's what efforts to be done to build the lo, total of us. so alternative financial system look to be solved. yeah, i made sorry to interrupt, but ne donations. are we looking at breakdown saying yeah, whatever that will give id dollarization in a new world. they can't even get the russian leader there because such as the power of washington, which isn't even a member of the international criminal court, such as the bout of europe and union. and this court and his imprison mostly black african lead is the boots and gotten even go to the meeting. there's

a win for brussels, there's a wind for london and washington. this cannot stop the fundamental changes in their approaches of new invest in countries to the international finance. so the position of these uh us less financial system, increases concerns in the little best of rows and increases the search for alternative ways to main thing normal market. so, financial transaction, what, sorry you, you may say that to put the add to the rest of the world. it shows such as the pressure on serial. remo, post or, and i don't know with around the place it would be live without the sacrifice of the russian people during about died, south africa when britain in the united states was supporting the about that regime . i mean, this is where i'm opposed to saying he's the con, guarantee. the safety of putting what exactly is going on. why? why exactly is your understanding is why booting is unable to travel to to south

africa. well, or because there is, there is a reason because that's unfortunately the edges yourself south africa, me uh, could commit to them for a wonderful day, international criminal. what sam, they may uh, actually the taking an efforts to uh, to just de know what to make any professional or uh, action against there. there are. so liter, so there is one and given this context. so again, lateral can trust a word that comes out of the south african government, the decision as far as they know that the media story or participating. so in the meeting. and so well, let's hope that no political incident, so real happened around his waist. well, fairly boot didn't put, it isn't, isn't going to go. i mean, we're apparently around the post

a did say russia would be at war with south africa. defacto if a boot him was arrested on arrival. when can you see how this looks? i mean, the russia has completely lost the appeal and propaganda war in nature. nations in europe, in britain, in the united states would be some people may say, it's likely changing now because of the amount of money that boring into the, at the expense of their own populations. so, the russian lives is the propaganda war there. and now the brick summit, it looks like this as well. uh, i wanna say that the gray is roughly used to be the propaganda war. the gold rushes to promote this national interest, right? so knowing it's clear that the, they're the structure of the media narrative for in the need the congress is a lot favorable to any of them to bring the tentative for point of

view, right? so it's simply useless to who is in this kind of point where we're, what we're seeing, the west is the rise all there. oh oh, of alternative opinions to beach are of more sensitive to the russian and use them reach increasing the taking them into the account. yeah, terry. those voices diminished deliberately by european powers sometimes by laws such as such as in uh, britain. you don't think that behind the scenes, there will be people at the break. so i'm it saying, look, we can play this both ways. we're getting the cheap rushing energy, a discount rates, and it's fine. you know, we had the, they can go into the congress a. m p on the she threw or the other day. he's talking about the pay verbally about the massive india washington arms deal 5 year roadmap. they're doing all this,

they're playing it all, both sides and it's fine and presumably went on hearing about the kind of all the stresses and pressure. let me just think, let lula president luna over zillow is on this program and talking about the fact of washington back, who against him and he's, they're smiling with bite and only the other month. i mean, i was just see how do you see that as well. uh, i would say that this is a natural state of affairs. there's a big store in bowers, right? so they have the interest in originals to the west or with the united states in particular. and this is not the goal of dresser to discharge them from the west. so the point of russia is just to have an alternative pride. so look to be 100 percent dependent on one p of there in the international war. the right address actually proposes. so to have alternative to, to, to, to cover the justification of financial relations, political relations,

etc. so the rest of point is not about there is that the choice between them and us, right? yeah, but i mean, there's a class element here. we know all about how russian leads we've been educators in the so called west and business schools and the like, learning the liberalism of, by, on the well to those who don't support that the i d o g, believe they infest or most go society, you know, you go to most go in the, there's a news biblical the most good times on the table in the hotel going everything food and does is rubbish. and you had the country is go into the dogs. is it like if you stay and they've given until hotel in london where you see a newspaper saying, well actually saying the same thing and not criticizing its own government? oh, well, well, i would look over the jury, the restroom education along the use of the reference to have this actually indication, right? because the, sorry,

sorry to interrupt. you don't know these most clearly type children. you'll run off to your and the, and the some of the move escape the draft as well. some of them did, but so many others have north, right so, so we really should look over the generalized statements about the diesel uh, in the west or in china. right, so worst of those people are getting better understanding of the congress where they get diploma. but at the same time they are getting free to go professionals use, right, which they can implement here in the restroom. so it's not just about organization, nor softball, but you are right in the sense that the rest of the media are quite influential. um, what's rational ex, use the, the existence of similar media capabilities. so globally present and all of you have a stop you that well from the program director of the valve, the club and director general of the russian international affairs council. and

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problems at home, maybe plus a dimensions to it. just explain how it is that, i mean, even nature, nation media couldn't avoid the fact. how is it that russia's g, d, p by p, p b, has made russia the strongest economy in europe, despite being the most sanctioned country in history. last year, most of the cost and why that pricing is going to mean would slumped significantly in bucks the almost all of them failed. right. so in reality, the economy of defaults wides, well, i will say that the blacks problems, the number of problems here is the kind of the major kind of the problem is the course of the initial crisis. however, the financial system is quite stable. the supplies of and critical groups are quite stable too. and this is what is the most important is that of their, a, russian producers are feeling much better in the,

the so it's a decent big waste. they are now having less competitors and they have more space on the market. so to, to, to operate. right. so i know it's price. now that's russian to going to me shows this results. how well my income is ms. white horses that are still or a number of programs we have to, to full, including the substitution of critical equipment, which is now under the extra control of the us and european union in dollars. can you know trade? uh, are you talking about electronics? uh yeah, it's what it says most read a goal or so to, to some extent to be are replacing the was this uh um by means of own industry. but this is not enough. uh, because the reason of his china is and not even you and try nissan, all of the state extensions to the extension by the united states,

especially in terms of cheats in terms of semi conductors. so in the sense we are in the same boat with china and we have to promote all industries. even got a lack of preparation and strategy on the part of the russian government about of the booting government. so they didn't see that the importance of having a strategic power in, in these industries of the united states as triumphed with the big 5 electronics companies like amazon, apple, and meta. and we google, well, actually the understanding of the significance of these branches. they are even before the crisis in ukraine, however, now uh, the extra control from the rest is a huge score to promote the develop and so on production ends the wherever we cannot achieve. immediate needs to cooperate with others without a friendly space, as the goal that i'm on china is the model of the, the,

the image apartments. and this results in this or not because of all of this is not in a vacuum. and we've seen that while the conflict in the war rages in your, of, we've seen the united states and play in nigeria in ecuador bases in the philippines. and now the senate foreign relations do have open ended and threatening care gets done. explain the significance of what's going on in care gets done and how maybe it's emblematic. they can go into any global south country and threaten them as well. uh, recently for the companies from through just on the be sanctioned by the us department of the treasury. however, it should be noted that these companies are quite small and the bull is brand new. i'm going to over exaggerated this looking sanctions. so i think this company is, if you look at the district store, the 2nd restrictions to the nature of them and the starting point, you will see that most of them are used to gaze white. small companies to be try

use, usually use testing to meet yours. i mean, fail, castro showed how you beat sanctions. but do you think the era of to him after the game with miss upgrades is shown. this ukraine's situation really means the end of the united states, a weapon of choice that has heard so many families all around the world for, for decades now, you burst are wide, so significant stations and it still exists of as a story in states. uh right. so, but roughly as much of the economy, it's much harder to isolate. it's, uh, actually the russian experience is a huge signal to all of us to get prepared to similar scenario. i mean the china or use the berg with getting these experience into account very seriously. and others to yeah, of course, life expectancy now higher in cuba than the united states. and famously, it was cube. and that held the end goal or against the british american,

backed up outside regime e nang angola. i don't know whether that will be talked about at the break, some it tomorrow. what does your understanding of the role of this wagner group? because, well, as the nature of nation media clearly tried to ignore the st. petersburg summit was so busy, african representatives were present. i think some of them looked a gust at the how russia had managed to have such a conference in the 1st place. they keep saying all that these, yeah, the v rainy me supervisor and these are, this is all because of wagon. now what is the role of wagner? is your understanding is now, and i mean, what is it? what, who is bri, goes in just very briefly because a lot of people are confused about what all that was. well, actually there are lots of situations so around, so both of wonder mr. crawford more than i believe that the, what is in the is that so the summit in st. petersburg was not just

a number of different reasons, right? it's implies the concrete, substantial things, including the corporation in, in the information security in energy, in the, uh, in the novel for industrial c o, c hit edition, etc. so this was not just the declaration, right. it was not just the post, and of course the dresser is increasingly at a supply or for security to even level 4 african states. why did anybody do use privatized military elements? i mean, we told them in cuba, i mean, they opened the said were going to help places like angola when they were facing british american apartheid racism in the south african troops that when i called rusher and trying to come to a deal to help these countries in the face of what's clearly, i mean in the case of nigeria, we now know home facts about the nigerian leader and how we was related to drug

dealers in chicago. i mean, shortly now is the time for china and russia to start putting troops in africa to stabilize these countries from us, and they to aggression. well it's, it's pretty hot to command. so the security free of the course, most of them makes the invitation. i mentioned the invitation of governments of african not just moving in like the united states does. yeah. well actually uh, the contemporary international relations have uh, different dimensions. right. and so the uh, business, 300, we just the pruitt division of security reasons long before the emergence of russian product military companies. right? remember american companies in the, in the vegas, for instance? so i would say that this is not just the russian, the french related to russell,

because the russians copying that failed example of the americans. well, the, i will say that it is their favorite example, but the, there is a trend that social security for the security and security is thoughts, you're getting more diversified is the existence of the state efforts in this business. do you think russia is going to give up the war of attrition and go for some kind of knockout blow and finish this so will once and for all against that age or back forth is in, in ukraine, or is it, is it trish in the way forward well what we see now is that the counter offense of $43.00 and troops is instigating adults collapsing some cost to the roster operation the calendar events, obviously potentially i guess i'm not sure that the best of the the previous radio for negotiations uh the dresser uh and ready to

compete with the rest of the concerns. bob. so the fact that the they're creating and coming through the fence is collapsing. he's a blistering the rest of the positions. clearly when i mean this isn't anniversary of afghanistan as well. yeah, this month, the defeat of the united states as longest war and hollywood has not been able to even come to terms with that when it comes to soft, filed the rights as we act as though, oh, culturally leads the nature of nations and unable to come to terms with some of the natures recent defeats. do you think of russia, china, the brakes countries will ever be able to compete with the kind of cultural capital that hollywood and the big television corporations of new york have over the entire world? i mean, as far as i understand it,

r t is not that readily available in south africa amongst cables on cable operators . so there you have a cnn, and other i'll give all propaganda outlets and beaming out into the townships while the big stomach goes on. how i was trying to imagine some of the global south country is going to get that message to as well is um, is it gonna be it's uh uh, box. uh, actually what we see here is uh that uh, china bar rusher and the novel, father's other uh great powers of trying to promote their own beavens. and so they, they want products like design like these. so when you look at the chinese, see them a for you to see what production is now developing wides quite frequently, right? it's not comparable to what box actually they are, why they few white white well, in the a domestic market. and the domestic market is 1400000000 of people,

right. so it's quite huge. i mean, just find the, some people say that the russian government and russian strategies have continually assumed the, that their opponent is rational. throughout this situation, the terrible tragedy of 14000 dead since we grew into you have in 2014. how far do you think biden will go in winning this war? as he sees it? of course we will lose in any will. how far is he going to go given that we now know pigeon was hoodwinked by and good luck and the rest of them? it them, it's good agreement. i don't know why boots and believe them right now is the think tanks like it was the is your ro rushing offense council prepared for how far biting is to go? whether it be 400 to bite and then the contract or foot, how tony blink and then the risk sees, put on the contracts. but us hedge a monic bout as well as you that would be may be. this is the class of different

personalities. so on the one hand, it's stressful for the united states to make a deal to dress and not to spend these huge resources to support your green. and so to, to, to, to have to phase the risk of frisco ration and including the situation to the nuclear colson, one the hand, there is another finality between wise, the fuel defeat this year, all the loss of space, right? the, the, the theatre, most recreation, etc. so the question is, what's are fidelity? we real a bit. yeah. of course it's pretty hot to, to 45 of these are in any reliable way. as i mentioned, most have thank if you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday with the pen, ultimate episode of the season until then you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's on sense in,

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the and is rarely civilian, is killed and another seriously wounded in a shooting close to the west bank city. of hebron from us has pressed the attacks will continue, but stopped short of claiming responsibility. so that took us up towards the expansion of the membership of the value of the briggs extends beyond the interest of his cutter into members. so that bertha endorsed as new members and the birds communities, pressing the need for expansion, adding that the blocks important exceeds the current borders with just one day to go until the much anticipated brick summit. more countries are sticking economic multi polarity hoping to get away from the west.