single around the world from divine the way today sees a land mancha movement for russia or is it is scheduled to land the spacecraft on the moon for the 1st time in almost office century. but what is the building of a moon base mean from moscow? it's economy now replace in germany is the biggest in your by g, d, p ads, purchasing power parity. and what is the real significance of tomorrow is 15 brick summit in south africa. bill is a meeting to find me in the relatively disruptive post. 1945 us a germanic power power that is seen tens of millions or even more killed wouldn't be the displaced by nature of nation aggression around the world. journeyman. now from moscow is the director general of the russian international affairs council and program director of inside to validate clubs. visit ivan tomb of a half. thank you so much for visit for coming on. so you know, this moon landing us live on the land. i don't know what the future historians will say about how she was the boss of european union. she famously said that you're down to recycling silicon chips from dishwasher in washing machines because of the

sanctions. how many discharges in washing machines did it take for the moon? that the moon a 25 to a stop this moon based on the moon as well. uh i as you that no single washing machine has software. yep. so uh, i believe that's uh, i'll wait, industry managed to launch this space and without the use of any of the scroll or the sophisticated washing machines a to be serious i, i believe this is the, this is a significant step. we're always facing the street. we have on the lease for quite a long time and it's a landmark for, for our one driver. yeah, actually most seriously about the sanctions before i get to the break summit of in south africa tomorrow. what does it mean that some of these companies now returning to ship volkswagen of georgia?

so batteries, these companies are coming back to russia and they just going to be welcome back with open arms even though they refuse to, in a sense, support the rush of war effort to against what date sees naziism in your as well actually last year are those are the silver companies spectrum companies left? some of them did this emotionally obvious anticipated their significance law professionally calling me. now when it turns out that the rest of the market is still required. beek, and significant that they are taking financial was due to the ever drawing from the market. so some of the of those who have left aren't getting back. and actually, as far as i know, the government does not do mine from them or any political commitments. so there, uh they are wise to be dock systems to they fargo for the penalties were abandoning russia. and of course, when it comes to batteries say, i mean there's only

a rush of manufacture. batteries should take precedence. you'd think if the government believes that the they were steadfast and the war effort. well, you see that it's easy to use the market, this very high hop to get it back. right. so uh and uh, i would say the political factors here are crucial the economy and mattress much more when the rest and company just left the office. uh, replace them quite quickly. i mean, 1st of all, russian competitors and those 2 little western states, they were quite fast to go. so now it's quite a tricky task to get back this, this market back. well, no matter what's happening with interest rates and the currency, it's all very different to how west and the analysts and corporate mainstream media in nature, nations have is as regards the russian economy,

but that's go to breaks. then, i mean, massive changes to the global political architecture, but you don't think it looks ridiculous. the vladimir putin cannot go to the brick summit because south africa thinks it might arrest. we are in bricks. i mean, what's the situation is rush here in that is lead to, is in prison did most as well. uh, i would say that the words, the situation is ridiculous. um, so i believe that it's ridiculous because the russian government has not got the south african government to agree to allowing him to cut him shortly. well, i will say that it comes to the most country is reputation. not less than uh, it comes to the dresser. right. uh so, uh, it seems that so all the sites would benefit from the presence of, of the rest of the leader. but anyway, the, the rent is significant and uh,

their capability of the economy is of the members days of group members. stage is quite huge. now the distinction is to keep pressure. there is a drawing understanding in the west of groups. that's what efforts to be done to be on the low total of us. so alternative financial system look to be solved. yeah, i made sorry to interrupt. but ne donations. are we looking at breakdown saying yeah, whatever that will give id. dollarization in a new world, they can't even get the russian leader there because such as the power of washington, which isn't even a member of the international criminal court, such as about of europe and union. and this court and his imprison mostly black african leaders, the persian gulf even go to the meeting. there's a win for brussels, there's a win for london, and washington. this cannot stop the fundamental changes in their approaches of no invest in countries to the international finance. so the position

of this, uh us, last financial system increases concerns in the little best of rows and increases the search for alternative ways to main thing, normal market. so financial transaction, what? sorry you, you may say that to put the add to the rest of the well, it shows such as the pressure on 0. remo, post or, and i don't know with around the place it would be live without the sacrifice of the russian people during about died, south africa when britain in the united states was supporting the about and regime . i mean, there is around the processing. he's the con, guarantee, the safety of foods. and what exactly is going on? why? why exactly is your understanding is why booting is unable to travel to, to south africa. well, or because there is, there is a reason because that's unfortunately the edges yourself south africa may uh commit to them on a wonderful day,

international criminal. what sam, they may uh, actually the taken an efforts to uh, to just the dean. ready to make any professional or uh, action against the uh there are some leaders. so there is like, uh, given this contact. so gabrielle can trust a word that comes out of the south african government. the decision as far as i know that the ministry or participating. so in the meeting, and so well, let's hope that no political incident, so real happened around his waist. well, fairly boot didn't put, it isn't, isn't going to go. i mean, we're apparently around the post a did say russia would be at war with south africa, defacto, if a boot him was arrested on arrival. when can you see how this looks? i mean, the russia has completely lost the appeal and propaganda war in nature. nations in

europe, in britain, in the united states would be some people may say, it's likely changing now because of the amount of money that boring into the, at the expense of error and populations. so, the russian lives is the propaganda war there. and now the brick summit, it looks like this as well. uh, i wanna say that the gray is roughly used to be in the propaganda war. the goal of rushes to promote this national interest. right. so now it's clear that the, there, the structure of the media narrative for in the need the congress is, uh, the most favorable to any of them to bring to and the tentative for point of view, right? so it's simply useless to who lives in the starting point where we're, what we're seeing, the west is the rise all there. oh, oh,

of alternative opinions to beach are of more sensitive to the russian and use them reach increasing the taking them into the account. yeah, getting those voices diminished deliberately by european powers sometimes by laws such as such as in uh, britain. you don't think that behind the scenes there will be people at the break. so i'm it saying look, we can play this both ways. we're getting the cheap brushing energy, a discount rates, and it's fine. you know, we had the day on the vehicle with the m. p on the she threw or the other day. he's talking about the favorably about the massive in the washington arms deal 5 year roadmap. they're doing all this the playing and all both sides. and it's fine and presumably went on hearing about the kind of all the stresses and pressure. let me just think,

let lula president luna over zillow is on this program and talking about the fact of washington back, who against him and he's, they're smiling with bite and only the other month. i mean, i was just see how do you see that as well. uh, i would say that this is a natural state of affairs. there's a big store in bowers, right? so they have their interest in originals to the west or with the united states in particular. and this is not the goal of the dresser to get dogs them from the west . so the point of russia is just to have an alternative pride. so look to be 100 percent defendant in one uh, p of the uh, in the international war the right address actually proposes. so to have alternative to, to, to, to cover the justification of financial relations, political relations, etc. so the rest of point is not about there. is that the choice between them and us? right? yeah, but i mean, there's

a class element here. we know all about how russian leads. we've been educators in the so called west and business schools and the like, learning the liberalism of biology. they uh well to those who don't support that. the i d o g, believe they infest or most go society. you know, you go to most go in the, there's a news biblical the most good times on the table in the hotel going everything food and does is rubbish. and you have the country is going to the dogs. is it like if you stay and they've given until hotel in london where you see a newspaper saying, well actually saying the same thing and not criticizing its own government? oh, well, well, i was not always a jury the restroom education along the use of the reference to have this actually indication, right? because the, sorry, sorry to interrupt. you don't know these most clearly type children. you'll run off to your and the, and the some of the movie escapes the draft as well. some of them did, but so many others have north, right so, so we really should look over

a generalized statements about the diesel uh, in the west of oregon, china. right. so one of those people are getting a better understanding of the congress where they get diploma. but so at the same time they are getting free to go professionals use, right, which they can implement here in the restroom. so it's not just about division, nor softball, but you're right in the sense that the rest of the media are white and flash will. um, what fresh relax, uh, use uh the, the existence of similar media capabilities. so globally present them all. if you have a stop you that well from the program director of the valve, the club and director general of the russian international affairs council. and after this break, the,

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settling such an easy instead now brought up with the loss of freedom era. patriots had been fighting against french colonialism for decades until to an easier gain to independence in 1956. the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professor ivan 2 more have program director of the validate club and director general of the russian international affairs council. vito professor, i was talking about the problems at home, maybe class dimensions to it. just explain how it is that. i mean, even nathan nathan media couldn't avoid the fact. how is it the dressers, g, d, p by d, b. b has made russia the strongest economy in europe despite being the most sanctioned country in history. last year, most of the cost and why the price and economy would slumped significantly in bucks

the all of them failed. right. so in reality, the economy of defaults wides, well i see that the blacks problems, the number of problems here is the kind of the major kind of the problem is the course of the initial crisis. however, part of the financial system is quite stable. there supplies of critical goods are quite stable too, and this is what is the most important is that there are russian producers are feeling much better in the the so it's a decent big voice to be on. now having less competitors and they have more space on the market so to, to, to operate. right. so i'm not surprised now that russian to going to me shows this results. hello. my name is mrs. white horses that are due or a number of problems we have to do. so including the substitution of critical

equipment, which is now under the extra control of the us and european union in dollars. can you know trade? uh, are you talking about electronics that yeah, it's what it says most read a goal or so to, to some extent to be are replacing the was this uh um by means of all the industry. but this is not enough because the reason of these china is and all that even you and chinese, on all of the state extensions to the essentials by the united states. especially in terms of cheats in terms of semi conductors. so in a sense, we are in the same boat with china and we have to promote all industries. even got a lack of preparation and strategy on the part of the russian government about of the booting government. so they didn't see that the importance of having a strategic power in, in these industries at the united states as triumphed with the big 5 electronics

companies like amazon, apple, and meta. and we google, well, actually the understanding of the significance of these branches. they are even before the crisis in ukraine, however, now uh, the extra control from the rest is a huge score to promote the develop and so on production ends the wherever we cannot achieve. immediate needs to cooperate with others without a friendly space, as the goal that i'm on china is the model of the, the damage apartments. and this results in this or not because of all of this is not in a vacuum. and we've seen that while the conflict in the war rages in your, of, we've seen the united states play in nigeria in ecuador, bases in the philippines. and now the senate foreign relations you have open ended and threatening care gets done. explain the significance of what's going on in care gets done and how maybe it's emblematic. they can go into any global south country

and threatening them as well. uh, recently for the companies from through just on the be sanctioned by the us department of the treasury way. it should be noted that these companies are quite small and the little as brand you, i'm going to over exaggerated there's the sanctions. so again, this company is if you look at the district store, the 2nd restrictions to the nature of them and the starting point. you will see that most of them are used to gaze white, small companies to be trying used, usually use testing to meet yours. i mean, fidel castro showed how you beat sanctions. but do you think the era of to him after the game with miss upgrades is as shown this ukraine situation really means the end of the united states, a weapon of choice that has heard so many families all around the world for the

decades. now you birth or wives are significant stations and it's still a disease, so as a storm and states. uh right. so, but roughly as much of the economy, it's much harder to isolate. it's uh, actually the rest and experienced is a huge signal to august to get prepared to similar scenario. i mean the china or use the berg with getting these experienced into account very seriously and others to. yeah, of course, life expectancy now higher in cuba than the united states. and famously it was cuba and that held the end goal or against the british american backed up outside regime in then angola. i don't know whether that will be talked about at the break. some it tomorrow. what does your understanding of the role of this wagon a group because well, as the nature of nation media clearly tried to ignore the st. petersburg summit was so busy, african representatives were present. i think some of them looked a gust at the how russia had managed to have such

a conference in the 1st place. they keep saying all that these? yeah. the, the rain you, me supervisor of these. yeah. this is a little because of wagon. now what is the role of wagner is your understanding is now, and i mean, what is it? what, who is pre goes in just very briefly because a lot of people are confused about what all that was. well, actually there are lots of situations so around, so both of wonder mr. buffers more than i believe that what is in the is that the, some of it in st. petersburg was no just a number of different reasons, right? so it's implies the concrete, substantial things, including the corporation in, in the information security in energy in the, a, you number for industrials, let's use the hidden cation, etc. so this, this was not just the declaration, right?

it was not just the cost. and of course, the dresser is increasingly at a supply or for security to even level for african states. why does it mean to use privatized military elements? i mean, we told them in cuba, i mean, they opened the said we're going to help places like and go when they were facing british american apartheid racism in the south african troops that when i con rusher in china, come to a deal to help these countries in the face of what's clearly, i mean in the case of nigeria, we now know facts about the nigerian leader and how we was related to drug dealers in chicago. i mean, surely now is the time for china and russia to start putting troops in africa to stabilize these countries from us and nato aggression? well it's, it's pretty hot to command. so the security for us, because most of them, uh, most of the invitation, i mentioned the invitation of governments of african not just moving in like the

united states does. yeah. well, actually, uh, the contemporary international relations have uh, different dimensions, right. and so the uh, business, the re, henry, this is dan pruitt, division of security relations. long before the emergence of russell product meals, or companies. right? remember american companies in the, in the vegas, for instance? so i would say that this is not just the russian, the french related to russell, because the russians copying that failed example of the americans. well, the, i will say that it is the appraisal example, but there is a trend that social security, the security and security starts getting more diversified is the existence of the most data efforts in this business. do you think russia is going to give up the war of the attrition and go for some kind of knockout blow and finish this?

so we'll once and for all against that age or back forces in, in ukraine, or is it, is it trish in the way forward? well, what we see now is that the counter offense of 43 and troops is instigating your thoughts collapsing some caution in the rush or operation. the calendar events obviously potentially, i guess i'm not sure where the, the best of the, the previous radio for negotiations. uh, the dresser uh and ready to be for the rest of the concerns. bob. so the fact that uh, their credit and coming through france is collapsing. uh, is uh, blistering the uh, the rest of the positions. and clearly, when, i mean this isn't anniversary of afghanistan as well. yeah, this month, the defeat of the united states as longest war and hollywood has not been able to even come to terms with that when it comes to soft power. the right. as we act as

though, oh, culturally leads in nature, nations are not able to come to terms with some of the natures recent defeats. do you think of russia, china, the brakes countries will ever be able to compete with the kind of cultural capital that hollywood and the big television corporations of new york have over the entire world? i mean, as far as i understand it, r t is not that readily available in south africa amongst cables on cable operators . so there you have a cnn, and other arguable propaganda outlets beaming out into the townships while the big stomach goes on. how i was trying to imagine some of the global south country is going to get that message or well it's, it's only easy to compete of bob. so actually what we see here is,

uh that's a china bar rusher and the number of others, other or great powers of trying to promote their own beavens. and so they, they want products like design like this. so when you look at the chinese seeking well for you to see what production it is now developing, wipes the wine tripoli, right? it's still comparable to what box? actually, they are, why they few white white well, in the domestic market. and the domestic market is 1400000000 people, right. so it's quite a huge, i mean, just find the, some people say that the russian government and russian strategies have continually assumed the that their opponent is rational throughout this situation. the terrible tragedy of 14000 did since we grew into you have in 2014. how far do you think biden will go in winning this war as he sees it?

of course we will lose in any will. how far is he going to go given that we now know fusion was hoodwinked by and good luck and the rest of the met them in school agreements. i don't know why boots and believe them right now is think tanks like it was the is your ro rushing offense council prepared for how far biden is to go? whether it be 400 bite and then the contract or foot, how tony blink and then the risk sees, put on the contracts. but us hedge a monic bout. well, you see that the, what the me read, this is the class of different breast analysis. so on the one hand, that it's rational for the united states to make a deal to dress and not to spend these huge resources to support the green. and so that to, to, to, to have to phase the risk of frisco radiation and including the situation to the nuclear colson, one the hands, there is another chanel to meet you. why is the feel the feed this year,

all the loss of face, right? the, the, the, the fee of the $3.00 cation, etc. so, the question is, what's, are fidelity? we real a bit. yeah, of course it's pretty hot to, to, for kind of these are in any reliable way from his ivan to move as thank if you and that's it for this year. i will be back on saturday with the ultimate episode of this season until then. you can keep in touch by role as social media, if it's so expensive in your country and head to our channel going underground tv on normal dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground seas that day the the

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