to join us with the old and the black hole that is coming up next year on this the, i'm very happy to be joins though, by on bus it. it will not post senior political advisor to the to advocate piece mission to ukraine and russia. me, thanks to welcoming us into your beautiful home. really appreciate your time. let's start. so we with the situation in ukraine, as we know, the african peas initiative has been bought by the russian president vladimir putin . housing going, how exactly? what is the, what is be a cheap so far with the peace talks between russia and gk, a seamless, the list that from what the intention to us a dot engagement from the african site. and in terms of what the the given measure the has been and the chief ment and the that

the 1st thing is that it both sides accepted initiative in the request form the african side to engage with the. busy intention though, for understanding the conflict and looking at possibilities of what we can be able to do to contribute to us finding any solution because that couldn't see that's the effect of static eh, and is part of the responsible global citizens and as a continent and dental and vision, that is sometimes things happen and, and not just sitting back as those of us even, you know, own situation. so never what conflicts is sometimes the extent of it tests are

the ones that become even more empties than us. but in this particular instance, i think government can lead us, came to the conclusion that there is much for us in peace it in that region and many other regions with all the tensions that the coming up because they do have an impact on us. and therefore, it was just as simple in that then to go in this and lend and advance it and be able to make certain proposals from the basis of their understanding of what is it that makes that day inform that conflict? no, you know, is that it in this continent like in many of the it is out of

t has been shut down. so there's no excess one site that information where the disadvantage to next day. and those of us who called to have access to that information. people watch cnn, bbc the anything else? so it's just a one side bombardment eh, an issue. don't understand what is happening. it's fairly easy for people to get confused, and governments get into all sorts of difficulties because of the positions that they've been forced to take. and when there was a decision to move things from the security cancer, because the collective west could not have the a way that and they decided to take the meta to the jeanetta and assembly which is added positive and that and all they need to. and none of us to say that to own their own site,

well the right side of the city. and therefore what we're doing is testify and we'll end up doing these recess. is it all those eh, there's a loose cheese that we push that doesn't really know the reason for having a non findings or is that machine in a serious situation like that one which is also a reflection? what was afraid of the security concerns to take you said responsibility and precisely because of the nature of this war that we're dealing with. and then our understanding is quite clear that to say, well, for example. and of course, the edward to ticket decision as to where we stand on these issues. and once we decided to take go a decision, we as a country it became singled out a $193.00 tons as vote says what i love them,

vote for many of the others i've stayed in like us as vote days. but do i have only one who get picked? why did set, does it go for this way? so everybody's descends on us. why are you doing this area setting a bit example? so we have to take all the sect does seem to concede that issue of members. people think sometimes people think that we take this decisions mainly and truly on the basis. they forget that we also have a nice day and we also have a history and the we have gone through the paints and all the difficulties that the core door imposed and all of us. and so we understand what is being had been moved and settled that she was able to make informed decisions in

terms of what affects us, what is you know, into us and how we should respond to all this development service responsible, global citizen. and together with our, for the kids are those who are willing and ready to be part of this, despite the effect of how they vote that. and that's occurring in the general offense, which is a good thing that is a diverse group and which also include the chair or the a you so that the folks at the continental, the situation is associated with that process. so it's not just individual eh, countries. edwin, but the bus also included the child, the a you, which meant that day, you also had an interest and outcome and i'm showing that preparatory process is a lot of consultation said going to this. people do not just wake up one morning and say, let's go to it,

let's go to do it that it took care of and then to muscle. eh, does a lot of things that different in the background into consolidation said, looking at what is it that can be done? and that's one option for me. this is so it is something that they could do collective, given the complexity phase of the crisis in ukraine and how it's had this ripple effect across the world. so many countries around the world have popping affected by this. how up to mistake all you that's a peaceful settlement can be reached. you know, when the, when the say it crises broke out the use that the term crisis. uh, delivery uh we have to take the test away and what exactly it was had been digging question, no, the expansion of not is something that we should not

eh, plate down and under estimate as part of the reasons why that i shouldn't say that they shouldn't had to remind everybody about the meeting. so agreements the man said to look at this very specific issue because it was the even at that time that would be security concerns at the left of the test. and there, particularly an engagement to, to please agreements with, at least in these agreements were being ignored. and the expansion of not to us continuing to get to you very much, very close uh to watch it. and they put us, we've been a chance for donation and that kind of for tony that the company that and some of the decisions that we are taking the to move away some of the agreements or

any sense in terms of it. obviously mutations and utah agreements that are in place at them. for example, we just decide that i'm going to scrap of dc. so there was a number of things that were happening on the same day which cost a lot of concepts. and of course the changes that to play, so you create a new demand and wish they did the gave it to the sick and the doors, the determination to push back on what was i chief to 98, eh, with what the cause people call the phone the ability to order it for the goal, for a bet categorisation and the so called you world, or the supposed to have you match out of that end of the core doors. it does cost, but then the security challenges that meshed eh,

and some of them had been there before. the collapse of clinical and then most of the other countries joining the you, you could see that there was a movement that was it taking a different hands from everything else that that happened before. eh, and therefore for some of us who with eh, we had gone through that lived experience who understood what the call was all about. and so i know that, that not me, except that taking place during that period agreement is that to be made. how did the neck out of them add additional vent that they've been developed at around those theaters that on the time we're part of those processes. so you understand the dynamics of what type it and because it also didn't impact or node started eh,

open up at least as that we had never even imagined that the time they end up but was there was a sheets and as suspending downs that either does part of all of those different governments. so we have always been affected by what is been happening. and therefore we become very conscious of every development and, and the weight as to how it affects us and how do we respond. and so how do you feel about k of cis pays proposal that we sent the health piece? folks in jetta saw you rape yet. excluding russia. what, how do you feel about that? you see, do i, i've been involved in conflict management there for the best time of my diploma to life. i still continue to do so he's in up to this day, and then you go into continental with the, the, with the same thing that i'm working on. so the most of the interventions to the

contented quoting, i understand what this whole thing means. and there is no way that you can come with a piece proposal that extrude mobilize everybody else and extrude with the other site. the issue of school derushia from what, what kind of these photos i know you're coming about who bring about what type of it piece is. there's an escalation for your more web points being request that permanency is being data from what device it says, what kind of piece is this that we're talking about? and why so data? because these are all the questions that they should be asking or says why? so do you have any but they agreed to host it?

i'm sure there must have coincided, or it's always most with that. well being of proofs too harsh this me to the, as to who decided who has to be invited. and some of those things that they've never really been fully to close as to whether easy to really, eh, and you can disperse it if, if it perm folder is something that we have to wait it because the, the end, the end of the, the whatever the decision is that they make, they don't seem to be independent decisions. the effect that in the interest of this one size of the sponsors of the, of all beings, nato was mid to but us in particular, dental hygiene. so it's not the supposition or anything. and what kind of response have you had from the us and other western countries to the african paste mission?

have they been supportive, have a price that you know, the interesting thing is that the flattery all the delegations that came, you had to try and understand what happened if you go through a content and he tested that, it's a for, can they wonder why? why do want to do this thing? because say they were not expecting that this is what to do. and what they're expecting is that they've been boxed into a car noticing that you insisting to take sides. and the in a divided 3 keepers, i look forward to friends at the you and will respond to it. so there was no collective response that to do been kind of that i as isn't of work and response. so as a country wasn't responding eh, on the basis of his own assessment, of what is happening, or whether this is a genuine effort towards addressing the problem that or facing

and of course, with us. because this is, i was saying india because of that decision said the man and retrieve all that in this, in the same despite is and i'll expand this, you know, fold it a lot of pressure is being mounted on us, the location of that integration, 7 coming here trying to discuss all sorts of things including these really, eh, men and retrieval voting. and the, some of these countries were even clear that are going to punish us with it. so we know that with being punished eh, well, the decisions that does it taking by the u. s. what is that? i mean, the question of go is not and you're thing that do one to 2 x 2. this is been ongoing. right now is, is a number i said that been ongoing

a good day with that issue was on the table just been discussing congress the tool as that as that k must of me continued dealing with this problem in this challenge. eh, because there was a feeling that it may be because so far level of development there we have what that an advantage over the last week it we've done 2 sites that may be the issue to change them in a new reach and they cannot take research what's what they, what are the key country with us and beneficial, obviously, knuckle. so they've been that content, but part of the consent advisors from cna times so it's constituencies were impacted negatively by some of the decisions that are taking for the sensor

that's new. that that the cropped up. and then when do we shut down the excess oh, for 42 from the u. s. and updates or brazil. interesting. they didn't take it. they're like indoors that movies they show you could understand that basis. but this then provide that an excuse for the to ask, i need dorothy, but in the congress that is it. what nice the new issue is with bi partisan. the decisions become the major or the date because the or the balance on forces within congress. so you as a bi partisan decision now on this issue is that the right to pause during the period when we're supposed to host a good list opposed to host and that's going to is this year. and

today's is during the tutor that isn't as god bless you know, this thing. and in a proposal that the, the administration might have to reflect on whether we should continue to allow it so that if i got to host it, they left it open. i knew that to beat the discussion and said engagements continuing, then the zip is uh, issue that is also a reason. the eligibility of exercises that were conducted between china nowadays between 10 and i last year inside the frame. and the postponement, or cancellation of one that was scheduled to the u. s. that also became in each then the next, the next thing there was a sheep that talked to you named lady. i don't know what that means. it

is good. also it's of quality sheet though because of the controversy around the end of it being a q is that the cheap loaded ups from here to support all and that was being this vision really total, but issues that to be launched by a much into the nation i did scan it does part of this got this, you know, the pressure edit the midst of all that this thing you measures because they were saying that to are not you to that we're taking size. so i do a type to prove or level that they say old notion of a no, no line position. so 1st that i do is taking sides we uh, throw the button that says child and uh, and the end russia and then re to be punished for that. they denied that the said quite open, but of course, who understood the implications. so for that and some of the challenges that came

with that. but we had because you were taking deliberate conscious decisions. eh, and did things in the, in the, which we did didn't own interest in understanding the implication, say off the we're able to stand our ground and, and when this opportunity came about, we saw this is precisely what we should be able to do. but it says it does being scanned on it though now the question of taking sides, it became a liquid reducing got a position to that because it was thrown out of balance. and that to say, what does this thing know? how to continue with this propagation. now to begin to deal with this confident that is the best example toward these of kids that you can actually stand up

and say, this is our position. do they feel like they, the hostile behavior of the us is only having opposite effect is pushing african countries close to, to russia and china and cementing the brakes and the bricks blog. when did they did the issue, the but it's a does not that it's saying that what are the breaks i will be what it before is that so it should legitimate coincide to know what it is that they did that shift so that she knew polarity, and just dominance is a big challenge and it's likely to end and with more countries that being attracted to the sort of tentative. and some of the offers that the brakes is putting on the table. does that i'd like to use to describe it is because of the man i knew each

eh, they've been dead threes into that in the past. so they want to belong to something with these genuine partnership with these because their respect and the way they can be able to trade or do whatever without any restrictions, when you impose way a newborn or choosing for them who they must trade routes or do whatever so these, that desire, and this is that is that is a, i think, is creating a lot of concepts and therefore, so this is, amanda will face to face situation. now, where is interested in teaching can be here at patrick, patrick. and i'm saying that the eh, delivery cuz it because of the position didn't reach you, find our sides in relation to our investigation of the rooms such

as, which is great that providence on us and who does the competitive because of domestic legislation to effect their water in the forest. so that became a did pleasure on us, could have been intended to be mixed into it. but we had to take all those things into consideration, but it had been in direct impact on the meeting that to the hosting. that's why, for the long as of the time, the focus here was where the rest in virginia is coming or not. if you do the media here, the old position, and then that everywhere as it away from all the preparatory meetings that they've been taking place of all the situations. so the breaks uh, we create a reflection of preparation for hosting this meet. and the nature of the

decisions that are going to immeasurably for dislikes are made things that have been taken place and the impact that, that what it would have. and the decision and the principle is that to be agreed upon and defined in terms of the expansion and those that want to enter the criteria and that can be develop. so the new challenges for the collective was but really match up on this. we have so many countries wanting to be a positive breaks now and this wising, multi polar. well that we're seeing on the, i mean, we're sending you space unipolar. well, don't we with a multi polar? well, they decided that it's going to be so fire and equal and every country will have the ability to process the without the dominance of the us. how do you view it? well, it really be like that simple. don't,

don't be that simple. the fact that these resistance now, and although the backlash that do i see is precisely the pleasing the deal for the tensions on whatever direction new estimating that took place in the in camp david does not bags it. and it's part of the mix. it is that for us to look at this, you put it together, time it and every sick that every in a way to separately. what impact is it going to have? but all of a sudden, all of these things are happening outside to the united nations. it so trying to introduce each of month to let the lives him at the they did the decisions and status all day night that the nation suddenly skipped the village to deal with several of these more than challenges. so do you and it says is being

invited to a lot of our lives. a nissan, the tech was a decisions that i've been taking outside of the you and, and those that they want within the you and it kind of investment for the decisions that would really take it to find them. why and the very foundation. so they, you, it uh, which was to avoid another war of this. and why should you find our sales and stay engaged in a situation where the, this escalation is this appetite for home fitness of 26 industrial military complex because that's the way everything goes. now does appropriate in the challenges. so for a type of let me change in the hallway and people say what the sources here. so questions are rising as to why are we funding so much money into the clean the

window? what are the challenges? europe is bending the impact of a climate change is that the terrible the winter because the could not access gas and scholars should need prizes sitting in the dock. and then there's ways of challenges the floods in a typical $18.00. but the government seems to be focus on something that they cannot make sense out of the end of the day because it happens in their own name. and they're beginning to question this issues as they did in the past, but not in the same way. we're not sitting the same way. there's usc, and in this one there's yet level or other forms of foundation that monday 1st that themselves. so they've been also a change in demand. and these people respond every now with more information, accessing information available. but i gain because of the money relation or for

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[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, the headlines on off the international land areas. russia as far administer, i'd just arriving in south africa or along with the leaders of china and brazil for that much sean dissipated brick summit kicking off today. you can check back in touch with the key action with us special coverage from us studio. at the event in job and they are calculating ukraine likely to be among the topics for top discussions at the summit of south africa's former ambassador to america. shared with us is thoughts on the crisis. also taking