us driving, i think they interpret countries to you not. and not just that this move away from the rush um, connected with the guns done. the reserves of africans done with punch is getting ready. let's of guns spend the port us countries on it that can be no country or restrict you have to have to, you know, grab model you of monies over one of the ports, countries that you said, your political issue that, that ensuring that the last 4 of the corrective south must begin to work very closely together so that they can avoid it and is one of them i guess. so it's not just about, did i say this? frankly, you're on venezuela. then as little as it is actually picked up in less than not long ago, we have quite the way of that. so we cannot have countries choosing who to work with and choosing what it is that they have to do in the midst of it's in a cozy,

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the, [000:00:00;00] the, i'm very happy to be joins though, bye on box it, it will not post senior political advisor to the, to africa is a peace mission to ukraine and russia. me, thanks for welcoming us into your beautiful home. really appreciate your time. let's start. so we with the situation in ukraine, as we know, the african peas initiative has been bought by the russian president vladimir putin . housing going, how exactly? what does it, what has been achieved so far? with the piece talks between last year, when jeep, right. i see the list of the list that from what the intention to us

a dot engagement from the african site and in terms of what they've given measure with the has been in the i chief meant. and the the 1st thing is that it both sides accepted initiative in the request form the african side to engage with the intention though for understanding the conflict and looking at possibilities of what we can be able to do to contribute towards finding any solution. because that couldn't see that effect as static eh, and despite those responsible global citizens and as a containment, a vision, that is sometimes things happen and,

and not just sitting back as those of us even, you know, own situation. so never what conflicts is sometimes the extent of it tests are the ones that become even more empties than us. but in this particular instance, i think i'm forgetting the this came to the conclusion that there is much for us in peace it in that the region in mid the other regions where the or the tensions that the coming up because they do have an impact on us and and therefore it was just as simple in that then to go and listen and then, and as they have said, and be able to make certain proposals from the basis of their understanding of what is it that makes that day inform that conflict?

no, you know, is that it in this continent like in many of the it is out of tea has been shut down. so there's no excess one site that information by the disadvantage to next. and those of us who called to have access to that information, people watch cnn, bbc auditors via the anything else. so it's just a one side bombardment eh, an issue. don't understand what is happening. it's fairly easy for people to get confused and governments get into all sorts of difficulties because of the positions that they've been forced to take. and when there was a decision to most things, sort of the security concept because the collective was good not to have the

already the and they decided to take the method to the genette on the assembly, which is unprecedented. and all the need to and none of us to see that to own that are on site load the right side of the city. and therefore, what we're doing is justifiable in the world is the recess. and all those eh, there's a new, she's that we push that doesn't really know the reason for having a non binding his energy or an a c, the situation like that one which is also a reflection. what was afraid of the security concerns to take is the response of religion precisely because of the nature of this war that we're dealing with. and you know, understanding is quite clear that to say, well, for example. and of course, said edward to take a decision as to where we stand on these issues. and once we decided to

take go a decision we as a country, it became singled out a $19310.00 vote. says what i love them vote for many of the others i've seen like us others vote dates. what do i the one who get picked? why did set does it go for decently? so ever board is defense on us. why are you doing this? it's sitting at that example. so we have to take all the set doesn't to concede that issue, members, people break sometimes people think that we take this decisions mainly and truly on the basis. they forget that we also have a history and we also have a history and the we have gone through the pains and all the

difficulties that the core door imposed and all of us. and so we understand what is being had been moving so that she was able to make informed decisions in terms of what affects us. what is you know, an interest in how we should, can respond to all this development service responsible, global citizen. and together we find out for the kids and those who are willing and ready to be part of this, despite the effect of how they vote that and that's occurring in the general offence, which is a good thing that is a diverse group. and which also include the chair or the a you so that the most of the continental, the situation is associated with that process. so it's not just individual eh, countries, edwin, but the bus also included the child, the a you, which meant that day, you also had an interest and outcome. and i'm showing that preparatory process is

a lot of consolidation said going into this. people do not just wake up one morning and say, let's go to it, let's go to do it that it took care of and then to muscle. eh, does a lot of things that different in the background into consolidation said, looking at what is it that that can be done? and that's one option, but they need us. so it is something that did that could do collective, given the complexity phase of the crisis in ukraine and how it's had this ripple effect across the world. so many countries around the world have popping affected by this. how up to mistake all you that's a peaceful settlement can be reached. you know, when, when they say it crises broke out, the news that the time crises said due by a it with to tracy. this where and what exactly

it was have been doing it. question, know the expansion of and that is something that it, we should not eh, plate down and under estimate as part of the reasons why that i shouldn't say that they shouldn't had to remind everybody about the lease agreements. the agree man said to look at this very specific issue because it was good even at that time that would be security concerns at the left of the test. and there particularly an engagement to please agreements with at least and these agreements were being ignored. and the expansion of not to us continuing to get to you very much a very close uh to watch it and they put us that option for

donation and that kind of thing. tony that the company that and some of the decisions that are taking the to move away some of the agreements or any sense in terms of it, obviously invitations and utah agreements. i'd replace them for example, or just decided that i'm going to scrap of this the so there was a number of things that were happening on the same day which caused a lot of concepts. and of course the changes that to play. so you create an environment and wish they did the gave a clear signal the door, that determination to push back on what was that cheese do not. it was what of course people knew calling to follow the village door eh, for they go for a bit that kind of conversation and the so called you with or the sub post if you

mess out of that. and the quote though is it does cost. but then the security challenges that matched and some of them had been there before the collapse of courtney core. and then most of the other countries joining the you, you could see the, there was a movement that was it taking a different and from everything else that happened before, eh, and therefore for some of us with it, we had gone through that least experience who understood what the code was all about. and so i know that, that not me, except that taking place during that period agreement is that to be made. how did the neck out of them add additional sprint that they've been developed at around those theaters that are the time we're part of those processes. so you understand

the dynamics of what happened. and because it also had an impact on old started eh, open up a use that we had never even imagined at the time. they end up but was there was a sheets and the suspending downs that either does part of all of those different documents. so we have always been affected by what is been happening and therefore we become very conscious of is like development and, and, and the weight as to how it affects us and how do we respond. and so how do you feel about kids piece proposal that we sent the health piece folks in jetta, so he ravia, excluding russia. a how do you feel about that? you see, do i have been involved in conflict management there for the best time of my diploma life?

i still continue to do so. he's been up to this day and maybe the continental with the the we just thing thing that i'm working on. so most of the interventions through the continental quarantine, i understand what this whole thing means. and there is no way that you can come with it piece proposal that extrude, mobilize everybody else and exclude with the other side issue, i've screwed that i shifted and what, what kind of these photos i know you're coming about who bring about what type of it piece is there's an escalation for your more web ones being request that pharmacy is being data from what device it says what kind of piece is this that we're talking about? and why so data?

these are all the questions that they should be asking ourselves. why? so do you have any but they agreed to host it? i'm sure there must have consulted or it's always more square. that's what being opposed to host this meeting at as to who decided who has to be invited. and some of those things that they've never really been fully to close as to whether easy to really, eh, and you can disperse it if, if it perm folder is something that we have to wait it because the, the end, the end of the day, what they what decision is that they make, they don't seem to be the independent decisions. the effect that in the interest of the sponsors of the sponsors of the, of all beings, nato was made to but us and particularly dental hygiene. so he's not the

supposition or anything. and what kind of response have you had from the us and other western countries to the african paste mission? have they been supportive, have a price that you know, the interesting thing is that the flattery also the delegations of gave you that to try and understand what happened if you go through a content and the test that its effort can do. what, why, why do want to do this thing? because a, do it not expecting that this is what to do? what they're expecting is that to be boxed into a core, noticing that you had system to take sides. and the in a divided 3 people don't know what happens at the you and will respond to it. so there was no collective response that to do the product that i as, as an african response. so as a country wasn't responding eh,

on the basis of his own assessment, of what is happening, or whether this is a genuine effort towards addressing the problem that the or facing and of course with us. because this is a, we're seeing india because of the decisions and demand and reach result that in this in the same despite isn't oh, extra admission, no vote it a lot of pressure was being mounted on us. the location of that integration. 7 coming here trying to discuss all sorts of things including these really the men and reach as a result. then the, some of these countries were even clear that they're going to punish us with it. so we know that we're being punished as well. the decisions that does it taking by the

us sort of sense. i mean the question of go is not and you were saying that they wanted to x 2. this is been ongoing right now is there is a number i said that they've been ongoing a good day with that issue was on the table just been discussing congress the to the side as that k must of me continued dealing with this problem in the settings and because there was a feeling that it may be because of our level of development a, we've got the advantage of our last week a it, we've done to say that maybe the issue did change them in a new reach. and uh, they could not trade with us what's what they, what are the key country with us and beneficial, obviously, knuckle. so there's been that concern,

but part of the consent arises from senators who is constituencies were impacted negatively by some of the decisions that they're taking for the sensor that flu that, that the cropped up. and then when do we shut down? the excess of pointers from you as an update from brazil. interesting. they didn't take it, they're like indoors that mobilization. so you could understand that basis. but this then provide that an excuse for them to ask. i need dorsey. but in the congress that is it a what nice the new issue is with bi partisan and the decisions become the major or the date because the or the balance on for systems in columbus. so you as a bi partisan decision now on this issue,

we should try to push during the period when we're supposed to host a good list of 1st of host. and that's going to is this year. and today's is during the tutor that isn't as god they should know this thing. and in a proposal that the, the administration might have to reflect on whether we should continue to allow it so that if i got to host it, they left it open with that to beat the discussion said engagements continuing, then the zip is uh, issue that it also r, as in alpha village at exercises that we have conducted between china now and news is between child and i last year and said perfect. and then postponement, or consolation of one that was scheduled to the u. s. that also became

in each. then the next, the next thing there was a sheep that talk to you eh, named lady. i don't know what that means. it is good also, it's of quality. she though, because of the controversy around the end of the being of cues that cheap loaded ups from here to support the wall. and that was being this vision really total, but issues that to be launched by a much into the nation. i did scan of the tough part of this collision. you know, the punish, edit the midst of all that this thing imagines because they were saying that to or not you're dressed with taking size. so i do a tied to prove all i know that they say, oh no, she and offer no no line position. so 1st that i do is taking sides we uh throw the button that says child and uh, and the end rest year and then ready to be punished for that. they denied that the

sled quite open, but of course, who understood the implications. so for that and some of the challenges that table we've had, but we had to because we had taken deliberate conscious decisions. eh, and did things in the mid that in the weeks we did, didn't own interest in understanding the implications say off uh we're able to stand our ground and, and when this or put you need it came about we saw this is precisely what we should be able to do, but at 1st it was being scorned on it though. now the question of taking sides, it became a little bit difficult acquisition to them because they were thrown out of balance . and that to say, what does this thing know? how to continue this, put up

a good note to begin to do this content and that is the best example door. these are for kids that you can actually stand up and say, this is our position. do they feel like they the hostile behavior of the us? is only having a opposite effect is pushing african countries close to, to russia and china and cementing the brakes and the bricks blog. when did they did the issue, the but it's a does not that it seeing that what i want to bring. so i will be what i do for is that so essentially just to meet coincide to know what it is that they did that shift. so this, you knew polarity. and this dominance is a big challenge. and it's likely to end at least more countries, that being attracted to the sort of tentative. and some of the they did the offers

that the brakes is putting on the table. so faded out to keep disgruntled because of the man i knew each eh, they've been dead threes include that in the past. so they want to belong to something with these genuine partnership with these because they respect that where they can be able to trade to whatever without any restrictions being imposed way a newborn or choosing for them who they must read, read for, do whatever. so these, that desire, and this is that the, that the say i think is creating a lot of concepts and therefore in a manual face to face situation. now where he's interested in 15 can be here at patrick,

patrick and i'm saying that it and deliver it because of the position didn't reach you find our sides in relation to our domestic ation of the aram searches which is great that prevents on us and who does the competitive because of domestic legislation to effect their water in the forest. so that became the pressure on us could have been intended, could there be mix it into eh, but do have to take all those things into consideration. but it had been in direct impact on the meeting that to the hosting. that's why, for the long as of the time, the focus here was where the rest in virginia is coming or not. if you do the media here, the or physician, and then that as through, as i said, a way in from all the preparatory meetings that they've been taking place of all

the situations. so the brakes. uh, we create a reflection of preparations for hosting this. i mean, and the nature of that decision is that going to immeasurably yet for dislike the meetings that have been taking place and the impact that, that what it would have and the decision and the principles that would be agreed upon and divided in terms of the expansion and those that want to enter the criteria and that when we develop some the new challenges for the collective list, but really match up on this. we have so many countries wanting to be a positive brakes now. and this rising multi polar wealth that we're seeing in the mean we're sending use space unipolar. well, don't we with a multi polar? well, this is why i did it is going to be, so fire and equal and every country would have the ability to process the without

the dominance of the us. how do you view it? well, it really be like that simple. don't, don't be that simple. the fact that these resistance now and although the backlash that do i see is precisely the increasing the deal for the tensions on whatever direction new estimating that took place in the in camp david does not by accident is part of the mix at it is there for us to look at this dude putting it together, time it and every sec they ever had a way to separately. what impact is it going to have? all of a sudden all of these things happening outside to the united nations. it. so trying to introduce each other for months and let the same as the they did the decisions and status all day night,

the nation setting his capability to deal with several of these more than 10 inches . so do you and he says he's been invited to a lot of our lives and he's on the tech was the decisions that are being taken outside of the you and, and those that they want within the u. n. as a kind of investment for the decisions that would really take it to find them. why and the very foundations of the you at uh, which was to avoid another oil. and why should you find our sales and stay engaged in a situation where the, this escalation is this a p type for home fitness use of 26 investor as military complex? because that's the way everything goes now is appropriate. and the challenge is, so for a type of let me change in the hallway and people say what the sources here?

so question is a rising as to why are we funding so much money into the clean the windows? what are the challenges? europe is bending. the impact of a climate change is that the terrible the winter because the could not access gas and scholars should need prizes sitting in the dock. and then there's ways of challenges the floods in that particular watering. but the government seems to be focus on something that they cannot make sense out of the end of the day because it happens in their own name and the beginning to question this issues as they did in the past, but not in the same way. we're not sitting the same way. there's usc and english wanted there yet not more or other forms of foundation that to monday for us that themselves. so they've been also

a change in demand and reach people to respond every night with more information, accessing information available. but i gain because of the money relation or for that information it, it, it set up with it. therefore, you also have to tell them, do send programs to that extent the live from moscow. this is archie international. i'm rachel ruble. we start our special coverage of the brick summit, which is underway in south africa, bringing you the latest from the much anticipated geo political event. south