with my gerry and so these on states and thoughts i tax could expand if legitimate or parties are not immediately reinstated. research leaders allows a plan to run and push power within 3 years for airport, refused and describes the plan as acceptable as a destruction by the military to remain in power for longer. timothy will be, as archie booge, i might syria. we will be back with more about special coverage of the highly anticipated break submits, which kicks off in johannesburg. today's tuesday and just hop in our money. scott and things pretty much the i'm very happy to be joins though, by on bus it. it will not post senior political advisor to be to africa's piece mission to ukraine and russia. me, thanks to welcoming us into your beautiful home. really appreciate your time. let's

start. so we with the situation in ukraine, as we know, the african peas initiative has been bought by the russian president vladimir putin . housing going, how exactly? what does it, what is going to cheat so far? with the peace talks between russia and g claim at st. louis the list that from what the intention to us a dot engagement eh, from the african site and in terms of what the, the given measure the has been and yet you've meant. and the, the 1st thing is that it both sides the acceptance initiative in the request form the african side to engage eh, we say the intention though for understanding the conflict is looking

at possibilities of what we can be able to do to contribute to us finding any solution because that can see that effect of static it is part of the responsible global citizens and is incontinent and dental and vision . that is sometimes things happen and, and not just sitting back as those of us even, you know, own situation. so never what conflicts is sometimes the extent of it tests are the ones that become even more empties than us. but in this particular instance, i think of forgetting the this came to the conclusion that there is much for us in peace it in the region in mid the other regions where the or the tensions that the coming up because they do

have an impact on us and therefore, it was just as simple in that then to go and this and then and as they have said and be able to make certain proposals from the basis of their understanding of what it did that makes that day informed that conflict. no, you know, is that it in this continent like in many of the it is out of t is been shut down. so there's no excess one site that information why the disadvantage to next. and those of us i'm calling to have access to that information. people watch cnn, bbc jobs, really anything else? so it's just a one side bombardment eh, an issue. don't understand what is happening. it is fairly easy for people to get

consumers and governments get into all sorts of difficulties because of the positions that they've been forced to take. uh, when there was a decision to most things sort of the security concept because the collective west could not have the way that and they decided to take the meta to the genette an assembly which is i'm pushing event that and all they need to. and numbers to see that to own their own site. load the right side of the city. and therefore what we're doing is justifiable in the world is with us. and all those a, it is a new she's that we push that doesn't really know the reason for having a non findings, always nbc they own a serious situation like that one which is also

a reflection or the free loved to secure the consent to take the service funds that really didn't put aside for me because of the nature of this war that we're dealing with. and you know, on the same thing, it's quite clear that to say, well, for example. and of course, said edward to take a decision as to where we stand on these issues. and once we decided to take go a decision, we as a country and we became singled out a 100, then they did. the attendance vote says what i love them vote for many of the others . i've stayed like us, others vote deeds, but do i the one who get picked? why did set does it go for decently? so ever the board is defense on us. why are you doing this area setting up that example. so we have to take all the sectors into consideration. remember,

people think sometimes people think that we take this decisions mainly and purely on the basis. they forget that we also have a history and we also have a history and the we have gone through the pains and all of the difficulties that the core door imposed and all of us. and so we understand what has been had been moved and settled that she was able to make informed decisions in tens of what affects us. what is the noah interest and how we should respond to all this development sales is responsive, would go once it gets in and together we find out for the kids and those who are willing and ready to be part of this, despite the effect of how they vote that and that's occurring in the general sense,

which is a good thing that these are diverse group and which also include the chair or the a you so that the folks at the continental, the situation is associated with that process. so it's not just individual eh, countries, edwin, but the bus also included the child, the a you. which meant that a, you also had an interest and outcome and i'm showing that preparatory process is a lot of consolidation said going into this. people do not just wake up one morning and say, let's go to it, let's go to do it that it took care of and then to muscle. eh, does a lot of things. so temper ended the background and the consolidation said, looking at what is it that that can be done? and that's one option to do this. so it's something that the of the could do collect is given the complexities of the crisis in ukraine and how it's had this

ripple effects across the world. so many countries around the world has happy effect to fight this. how up to mistake all you, that's a peaceful settlement can be reached. you know, when, when they say it crises broke out the use that the time crisis a deliberate eh, we have to take the test away and what exactly it was, have been dig it, question, know the expansion of not the is something that we should not and play down and on those to me as part of the reasons why that i shouldn't say that they shouldn't had to remind there's a report about the lease agreement that the man said to look at this very specific issue because it was good even at the time that would be

security concerns that left about pressing that particularly an engagement to at to please agreements with at least in these agreements are being ignored and the expansion of not to us continuing to get to you very much a very close uh to watch it. and they put us with that action for donation and that kind of thing, tony that the company that and some of the decisions that we are taking the to move away some of the agreements or any sense in terms of it, obviously invitations and due to agreements are to be in place at bumble for example, or just decide that i'm going to split up of this the. so there was a number of things that do it happening on the same day. which caused a lot of concept. and of course the changes that to play, so you create

a new domain and wish they did the gave it clear sick. now the doors, that determination to push back on what was that cheese do? 98. eh, with what the cause people call to follow the village on eh, for they go for a bit that kind of conversation. and the so called you world, or the suppose to, if you mess out of that and or the quote or is it does cost. but then the security challenges that he missed and some of them had been there before the collapse of clinical and then most of the other countries joining the you. you could see that there was a movement that was taking a different and from everything else that that happened before. eh,

and therefore for some of us who with eh, we had gone through that least experience who understood what the code was all about. and so i know that, that not me, except that taking place during that period agreement is that to be made. how did they are in the out of them at additional spend that they've been develop that around those theaters that on the time we're part of those processes. so you understand the dynamics of what happened. and because it also didn't impact or node started eh, open up a use that we had never even imagined that i end up, but there was a sheets and as suspending them. so i do. does part of all of those developments. so we've always been affect it by what is being to happen. and therefore we become very conscious of is like development and, and,

and the weight as to how it affects us and how do we respond. and so how do you feel about k of cis pays proposal that we sent the health piece talks in jetta, sorry, ravia. excluding russia. what, how do you feel about that? you see do i, i've been involved in conflict management there for the best time of my diploma to life. i still continue to do so he's in up to this day, and then you go into continental with the, the, with this thing thing that i'm working on. so the most of the interventions to the continental quarantine. i understand what this whole thing means. and there is no way that you can come with a piece of proposal that extrude mobilize, everybody else and extrude with the other site issue. i've screwed the shifter and what,

what kind of these photos i know you're coming about who would bring about what type of it piece is an escalation of for your more web ones being request that permanency is being data from what device. so don't kind of piece is this that we're talking about and why so data was, these are all the questions that they should be asking or serves. why? so do you have any but they agreed to host it? i'm sure there must have coincided, or it's always most with that well being approach to host just me to the as to who decided who has to be invited. and some of those things that they've never really been fully to close as to whether easy to really eh, that you created, disclose it in purple size,

is something that we have to wait it because the, the end, the end of the, the what i, what decisions that they make, they don't seem to be independent decisions. the effect that in the interest of this one size of the sponsors of the, of all beings, nato was made to let us in particularly penalties. so it's not the supposition or anything. and what kind of response have you had from the us and other western countries to the african paste mission? have they been supportive, have a price that you know, the interesting thing is that the slot of your delegation is up, gave you a to try and understand what happened if you go through a consent and he tested that, it's african the what, why, why do you want to do this thing, eh,

because say they were not expecting that this is what to do. what they're expecting is that they've been boxed into a car, noticing that you had the system to take sides. and the in a divided 3. keep regardless of what happens at the you and we responded. so there was no collective response that to do been kind of thought i as, as an african response. so as a country wasn't responding eh, on the basis of his own assessment, of what is happening, or whether this is a genuine effort towards addressing the problem that the or facing and of course with us. because this is a, we're seeing india because of the decisions and the mainland to reach. we vote that in this image. another last name, despite isn't i'll expand this, you know, fold a lot of pleasure was being mounted on us the location of that day because she

didn't come here today to discuss all sorts of things including these really, eh, men and richard reviewed voting. and the, some of these countries were even clear that they're going to punish us with it. so we know that with being punished eh, well, the decisions that does it taking by the us, what a sense. i mean, the question of go is not and you're saying that they wanted to x 2. this is been ongoing right now is there is a number i said that been ongoing a good day with that issue was on the table just been discussing congress the tool as that as that k must of me continued dealing with this problem in this challenge. eh, because there was a feeling that it may be because of our

level of development day we have what the advantage or why last week a we don't have that may be the issue to change them or 9 to reach a eh, because i take research and what's the, what are the key contributors in tennessee? sherry snuggle. so there's been that concern, but part of the consent advisors from cna times. so it's constituencies where impacted negatively by some of the decisions that they're taking for the sensor, that flu that, that the craft up. and then when do we shut down the excess of pointer from you as an update from brazil and most of the didn't take it there like indoors that more release a show. you could understand the basis. but this then provide that an excuse for

them to escalate dorsey. but in the congress that is eh, what noise in the new issue is with bi partisan. the decisions become the major or the date because the or dependence on for systems in columbus. so you as a bi partisan decision now on this issue, we should try to push during the period when we're supposed to host a war list, a push to host, and that's going to is the see and do days is during the tutor that isn't as good they should know this thing, and in a proposal that the, the administration might have to reflect on whether we should continue to allow it so that if i got to host it, they left it open. i knew that to beat the discussion said engagements of continuing, then the zip is uh,

issue that it also our reason. and i also really try to exercise is that we have conducted between china now and news is between 10 and i last year in south africa . and the postponement, or cancellation of one that was scheduled to de u. s. that also became in each. then the next, the next thing there was a sheep that talk to yet named lady. i don't know what that means. it is good. also it's of quality. she though, because of the controversy around the and with being up to is that she looked it up from here to support the wall. and that was being a discretion really federal issues after the lunch way. and i shouldn't say that i should not be scared of the, it does part of this collision. you know,

that kind of edit the midst of all that this thing imagines because they were saying that to are not you dressed with taking size. so i do a tried to prove all i know that they say, oh no, she and or for no, no line position. so 1st that i do is taking sides we uh throw, putting us as child in the end, the end last year, and then ready to be punished for that. they denied that the said quite open, but of course, who understood the implications. so for that and some of the challenges that came with that. but we had to because we had taken deliberate conscious decisions. eh, and did things in the, in the, which we did didn't own interest in understanding the implications that off uh, were able to stand our ground and,

and when this opportunity came about, we saw this is precisely what we should be able to do. but at 1st it was being scorned on a go. now the question of taking sides, it became a little bit difficult acquisition to them because it was thrown out those balance . and that to say, what does this thing know? how to continue this program now to begin to do this content and that is the best example door. these are for kids that you can actually stand up and say, this is our position. do they feel like they, the hostile behavior of the us is only having opposite effect is pushing african countries close to, to russia and china and cementing the brakes and the bricks blog. when did they did the issue, the but it's a does not the direct it seeing that what are the brakes that would be?

what are the default? is that so it should legitimate coincide. and why is that they did that shift? so the issue new polarity in this dominance is big challenge and is likely to end. and we, small countries said being attracted to the sort of tentative. and some of the they, they did offers that the brakes is putting on the table. it's a very attractive to disgruntled because of the man i knew each eh, they've been dead threes include that in the past, so they want to belong to something with these genuine. putting that she with these because eh, respect and the way they can be able to trade or do whatever, without any restrictions being imposed way of newborn or choosing for them who they

must trade routes or do whatever. so these, that desire, and this is that is, that is a, i think, is creating a lot of concepts and therefore in a manual face to face situation. now where he's interested in teaching can be here at patrick, patrick. and i'm saying that the eh, at delivery because of the position didn't reach you find outside of in relation to our domestic ation of the room, such as, which is great that prevents on us and who does the competitive because of domestic legislation to effect their water in the forest, so that became the pressure on us could have been intended good the next it into.

and i do have to take all those things into consideration, but it had been in direct impact on the meeting that to the hosting. that's why, for the long use of time, the focus here was where the rest in virginia is coming or not. if you do the media here, the or physician, and then that as through as said away from all the preparatory meetings that isn't taking place of all the easy to actually. so the breaks we create a reflection of preparations for hosting this meet and the nature of the decisions that are going to immeasurably forward dislikes are made things that have been taking place and the impact that, that what it would have. and the decision. and the principle is that to be agreed upon and defined in terms of the expansion and those that want to enter the

criteria. and that can be develop some new challenges for the collective list, but really match up on this. we have so many countries wanting to be a positive breaks now and this rising, multi polar, well that we're seeing in the mean we're sending you space unipolar. well, don't we with a multi polar? well this is i did, it is going to be so fire and equal and every country would have the ability to process the without the dominance of the us. how do you view it? well, it really be like that simple. no, no, it wouldn't be that simple. the fact that these resistance now and although the backlash that do, i see it is precisely the pleasing the deal put it to got attention. so most of that actually knew this meeting that took place in the, in camp david does not bags it, and it's part of the mix. the,

it is there for us to look at this dude. what do you think of the time it and every sick that every in a way to step in the what impact is it going to have? but all of a sudden all of these things are happening outside to the united nations. and so trying to introduce each other for months and let the lives him as the they did the decisions and status all day night that nation send his get the village to do with 7 with this more than 10 inches. so do you and it says is being invited to a lot of our lives. a nissan, the tech was a decisions that i've been taking outside of the you and, and those that they want within the u. n. as a kind of investment for the decisions that would really take it to find them. why and the very foundations of the you at uh,

which was to avoid another war. and why should you find our sales? and just in a, in a situation where the, this escalation is this a p type for home fitness use of 26 in the military complex. because that's the way everything goes now is appropriate in the challenges. so for a impact of climate change and highway and people say what don't associate so question is a rising as to why are we funding so much money into the clean the window? what are the challenges? europe is bending. the impact of a climate change is that the terrible the winter because the could not access gas and scholars should need prizes sitting in the dock. and then there's ways of challenges the floods in a typical $18.00. but the government seems to be focused on something that they can

not make sense out of the end of the day because it happens in their own name and the beginning to question this issues as they did in the past, but not in the same way. right, not sitting the same way, there's usc and english once, and there's yet more or other forms or foundation that monday the 1st at themselves . so they've been also a change in demand and reach people to respond to every noise, more information, accessing information available. but i gain because of the money relation to offer that information it, it, it the set up with it. therefore, you also have it telling you send programs to that extent the

i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously is to place a trust. i rather than see it the area, i mean with the artificial intelligence we have summoning the theme in the robot, must protect this phone. existence was on the

collective rise of a mood and markets in developing countries, represented by brooks is fundamentally changing the global landscape. no mountains can stop the surgeon flow for my 2 rivers. china prizes deep solidarity among bricks, members saying it promotes global multiple are it's a great to democracy in international relations as during the 1st day of the blog summit in south africa. was it in front dense was also that's a hail brakes is a driving force, a global growth, noting that the groups combined economies have no supports the g 7 plus worship of best to send degrading shipments to i forget the free as president version says moscow will remain a reliable supplier in defiance of the just a minute. sanctions the seat of.