of the architects of nato's proxy war and russia. a big plans for the camp regime as a cranes cover offensive fails, the country's post for realities are being planned in the west. alas, these plans will fail to the the welcome to world to part one handshake at a time. that's used to be the molto of citizen or people's diplomacy. a movement that originated in the letter years of the cold war and is also, i'm credited with helping to bring it to that does a stand a chance nowadays,

when russia and western countries have come, there will not exchanges to historic minimum. well, to discuss that, i'm now in joined by demetrius law. scott is a lawyer, journalist, and activist from canada. demetrius good to see you. thank you very much for coming over. thank you so much for having me. now, i know you've been here in russia for slightly less than a month. can i ask for a rough estimate of how many russian towns here have shaking so far over a 100 from across the span of generations in political orientations and, and it's been a fascinating, uh, and i would say surprising experience push. now i, i, i know that you are a successful employer from canada. you made a name for yourself in the corporate world. and the, you know, it's, it's rather counter intuitive, the other person and also your professional passwords, spend time and money. and it was his own reputation,

both professional and personal on the line in order to come to this country, the military defeat of which is still the state of police. a goal of your government, me my well, uh, although yes its true. my background is in uh, securities law. i started on wall street and then became most curious class actions were that has little to do with my origin as a, as a human being. i am the child of 2 greek immigrants, neither of whom had a high school education who came from greece in the aftermath of the 2nd world war and the civil war in greece, in the 1950s. so i have very humble origins and i have never forgotten that by the time i had practiced law for 25 years, i was economically secure. and i felt enormously grateful for that fact. and i had to think hard about how i could compensate or give back for my extraordinary good fortune. and so i became inactive as a journalist, i don't do that as

a living. it's more passion. and when this word erupt is and i became absolutely convinced that this was the most, and i hope i'm wrong and put that this is the most dangerous moment. i think you mad at these ever confronted not just because of the war, but because of the context in which this is happening, climate crisis and so forth. i asked myself, how can i contribute? how can i do something, anything to try to diffuse the tension? and so i came to rush. now as far as i understand, this is your 1st time you've just been training. you've been not only to moscow, but also to crimea in which the canadian government does not recognize as, as part of a fresh eye. and before asking about your impressions, i, i won't ask you as a lawyer, do you think you will face any legal repercussions for traveling to that? well, i shouldn't. as a lawyer, there's, have you checked out? yes, of course. yes. and i, so i've done nothing that i know that anybody to plausibly claim to be

a violation of canadian law. uh nonetheless. uh the, the sort is don't often don't always act in accordance with the law. so there's a, there's some possibility and i hope that this doesn't materialize, that people in positions of power will try to exploit that position in order to intimidate me and make an example out of me and prevent others from following my footsteps. i don't think that's going to happen, but it's not a, it's not a possibility i exclude because i'm realistic of both of the political system operates in our country. and even if the government doesn't have a case against you, i mean canada is home to a very large ukrainian desperado. so some of whom are direct descendants and die far as apologised of a very radical ukrainian nationalist. i'm not say collaborators. i wonder if it's, it saves to do something like that at

a time when people have actually been not only intimidated by assassinated because of standing against the ukranian authorities or, you know, western authorities will support them well in canada that it's true that there is a very large, ukrainian chain and community, i know some people in that community who are committed to peace and who are, who do not identify it all with the establishment of that community. but it's true that as a full and for particular at the elite level of that community, i'm talking particularly about the trinity and trade in congress. they are quite right wing and create quite a militaristic interview. up until now there's, there's not, not been to my knowledge in the acts of violence against people who have opposed what i regard as a proxy war. what i'm more concerned about his reputational assassination, and not from ukrainians, but from the mainstream media. and the political class, as a matter of fact, on monday of this week, the flagship newspaper of canada's largest newspaper publisher and his papers

called the national post, published a front page story about me, basically smearing me and accusing me as having come to rush in order to whitewash the crimes of its government. and fortunately because of my painful experience with the media in the past, i recorded the entire conversation and posted it on my uh, my website and invited people to decide for themselves whether or not that's what i had done. and you're saying it makes sense to pursue them know the end of the course of public opinion, but actually see you down for saying what they said about. i've actually had occasion to do that because of criticism that i leveled against porters of israel in our country. i was accused of being a supporter of terrorism in 2017, by a very, very strident pro is a real group and i threw them for defamation. and ultimately the case settled and they retracted their statements and paid some compensation. but i also know is a somebody who has experience with defamation law, the canada is it's, it's a difficult pass to recover compensation of the submission action. and i don't

understand why they, the government's tried to strike a balance between free speech and protecting reputations. so i am very, very hesitant about using the course of law to protect my reputation. i'd rather do that by means of debates. now i'm returning to the means of debate. how was crimea, what did you expect to find there? and what did you find there in that charlie thing? well, 1st of all, i didn't know that that this trinity, it was so beautiful. it reminded me very much of the south of greece, where i now have a home in color washington, any connections where there are, i didn't know that either, and i visited the community or the ruins of chevante. so send us the vessel. so the beauty of it was a surprise to me, the fact that the war was now, i spent a fair bit of time in the altar. i didn't really see any overt signs of the war there. uh and, but at the same time you could tell that people were somber and that it wasn't at all the festive environment. so i think people obviously are very conscious of the

war when i would just have us to pull, there was actually an attack. uh uh, i don't, i don't know exactly what happened, but the air defense systems were activated. and then i went to the north of the premier to the border of his son and visited a refugee center in there. the i felt the proximity of the world much more. there was military equipment everywhere. the heis with the state of alert security and the refugee center workers that i spoke to. didn't want their faces to be exposed to the camera. so there, you know, i felt as i say, the proximity of or more, but i never got closer than 50 kilometers to the front line. and then having to see what i've seen, i can't imagine how difficult it is to actually live in close proximity to the front line. absolutely, and i'm sure it's uh, even more difficult for, for the people on the other side of a, in ukraine or especially in key from those areas where there is worse still going on. now the premium government is definition of victory still includes taking

crimea, understands you are not the military specialist, but having been there, do you think that's a realistic expectation? either in strategic terms or in terms of hearts and minds because i'm sure you've spoken to people. yes. yes, uh, i don't think it's remotely realistic in either sense. i did not speak to us a single individual there who expressed a desire to see uh premier re united with u. k. i spoke to many people who were passionately opposed to that idea and declared their determination to offer themselves up in resistance if that were actually attempted in terms of the military reality. you're quite right. i'm not a military specialist. but i learned as i approach the border with the kind of son to that the, the only let the only connection between from a land perspective, between premier and fis on or to very narrow pollutants of peninsulas. and we traveled through one of them. and there were several lines of defense into tank obstacles. extensive trench works. they were wide open, there was no uh,

tree cover at all. there were 2 large bodies of water in either side. and it was apparent to me as a late person that any attempt to enter the peninsula through. if he's true, a narrow corridors of land would be disastrous. i think. and it's, you know, i don't need to rely only upon my own judgment. as late person, american military officials have begun to acknowledge openly that this is a pipe dream. and i think that it would be suicidal both from a political perspective and moreover, from a military perspective, for the credit of the crate in government to attempt to retake from you. why do you think that your cranium, government? this continued to press that pipe idea, why do you think they need? well, i think i spoke to a gentleman, his name was instead of going to put you off to who i understand, no relation to a new child or the former president civic union. he is a journalist now and military corresponded. i met him, is the best of all the he said, you know, it's well understood that she who controls premier controls the black. let's see.

so imagine, you know, that this is a matter of strategic importance to the creating government. there's obviously a tremendous of utility and controlling for man geo politically. i think there's also a tremendous amount of prestige attached to it. and, and that the, the, they feel that if they could retake it, that would be a resounding victory for the state of ukraine. but again, this is, i think, hardly are responsible in something that they should have in the interest of peace and the safety and security of their own people. because even if they really took premier, that would probably result in lasting instability within ukraine. of course. uh, there's a huge elephant in the room here. um, this is the position of western countries that are funding this war and that i'm sure agree with the assessment of your journal, his friend, that the whoever controls cry me or controls the black sea. because the, that issue, that strategic issue was there much discussed when the, the, you know,

the corporate government was toppled back in 2014. and the ukranian authorities started talking about evicting the, the russian fleet from there. i wanted to how do you understand the genesis of this whole conflict? where when does it start for you? well, i think it's been in the making for decades, but i think there have been attempts by the west, although they were unsuccessful in very covert from it for a long time to create instability and division within the relationship between ukraine and the rest, i think goes all the way back to the 1950s, frankly, when the united states government was covertly funding and supporting and trying to invigorate filter nationalism in ukraine. but i think we're really pivotal of activity. event was the overthrow of the general cottage cheer. you had a president who was, he was democratically elected. whatever's flaws may have been and he was certainly not a perfect leader. well, he didn't have the appearance of justice adjusting trivial by the justice to also has some questionable government scale system. i couldn't agree more. i couldn't

agree more, but anybody who was democratically elected in the support between as i understand principally from the southeast of ukraine in for there. and she, everybody refers to him as a puppet to the fruits and government. i think he was simply doing the responsible thing and tried to maintain good relations with russia, which is what his supporters wanted when he was overthrown effectively. what happened was the vote of the training and supported him was stolen from them. and this just re cascaded into one tragedy after another, culminating in open warfare between ukraine to rush it. to me, that was the pivotal event. can i ask you something because you mentioned the early knowledge and safe just when the american authorities were stoking a ukrainian nationalism in the soviet union. and at that time, the canadian authorities, as well as with the american authorities, were giving a refuge angrily to the nazi collaborators, ukrainian nationalist. and it's hard for us to understand that's why something like

that's what would be happening because having trouble to the united states having been to canada, having been senior grant, many times, we all know that much different. why do you think it's so easy for the west? and consequentially for your claim to demonize this country. and that's people because i mean, uh, we have our flaws, but they are not much worse than you know, i wouldn't say yours at all. i mean, we're all human beings in my interaction with russians who's convinced me, admittedly, i'm clinical, expert in russia, but at the very decent people. and if you get to know them to very warm and generous people, and i, i wish that i could, you know, bring thousands of canadians over here with me in order to enable them to interact personally with the russian people. i think it's very important when we talked about the conflict between our countries to distinguish between people, to people, relations, and government, a government relations. the government of canada does not represent as you've. it's

the inside yourself. i think it's the will of the people. so for example, a recent pull in february showed that only 32 percent of the population support the transfer weapons to create at this stage they've had enough only 32 percent. every single member of parliament as far as i know, some 3 or 338 problem in terms of canada support publicly transferred weapons to you. great. so what is happening at the elite level at the political level is effectively canada has outsourced its foreign policy to washington. and washington's agenda is one of the global hegemony. washington will not tolerate, and i think it, they're not even, you're not even a subtle about this. you know, they're, they will not tolerate the global arrival. and russia is perceived as a country that is both essentially a powerful arrival and also determined with the current government not to submit to the will of the americans and ended up trying to be ourselves. i mean, yeah, we, we, we don't want to impose our willing to canadians,

but we want the right to leave on our land as we please the imagery. and because it's uh, my studio, i take my right to you a cold for a short break, but uh, just a few minutes. stay tuned. the the lake by call, a magical place of festival ice clean water is a dramatic geography. and of course, a unique echo system which is developed over the past 25 to 35000000 years. and of

course, a place like this just come and experience at all for yourself. and visions coming up on our team international the welcome back to was a part of it. and dmitri less cutters. more and journalist and activists from canada, the mentoring just before the break. yeah, you mentioned that only 32 percent of the canada in public support. army ukraine, and it's, uh, you can argue that it's a relatively low level of passive support. but, you know, we, people have people's opinions changed depending on what the media trying to shape are within narratives. and i want to quote candidates deputy prime minister, christopher freeland, who said about a year ago,

when this conflict wasn't its opening stages, that the world's democracy is, can be safe only once the russian tyrant, them, his armies are entirely one question. what do you think would be the cost of such safety for the canadian society? because a, if a miss freelance wants to vanquish the, the russian army, she will have to, you know, put in more than just wars. because the cost will be in calculable and possibly the ultimate cost, which is a nuclear war. i don't think the government, you know, despite what's happening with, i don't think the government of russia has any desire to use nuclear weapons. but their policy, as is the policy of every nuclear on powers, if existentially threaten, they will the use of the small things essentially threatens. i mean, uh your country is sending uh weapons to yeah, country and those weapons are being used not only to kill soldiers, but the ukraine use use as tara tactics a lot. yeah, there were, there has been several terrorist attacks and premier and in some brush and cities,

so indirectly. the west is supporting terrorist. absolutely, and, you know, interpol, i'll also warn the head of interpol a few months ago that these weapons are ultimately going to end up in the hands of criminal organizations, just the last week of paris. so the french authorities arrested to alter nationalist who returned from ukraine was prohibited weapons in france. so you have that issue, you have the issue of the economic need stabilization. i think it's quite clear from the there was an excellent article by james galbraith, an economist in united states recently would show the, the sanctions are doing more damage to the west than they are to russia. so you also have, i think just brewing and polluted political instability from the economic impacts of this there's a range of ways in which this war will ultimately the stabilize the west. well, i think it's already doing that and uh, i want to mention to uh, other uh, permanent american political voices, richard carson transcription to big names and full size circles,

who recently published an article in foreign policy, calling for the united states to change his tactics and not allow ukraine to define the, the, an goals of his campaign now in the americans withdrawal. and they have a track record of simply abandoning the that. now, as if they do that for electrical political, economic, whatever reasons, what do you think the canadian authorities just are going to do? do you think they will continue sticking for for ukraine? so to say, no, i wouldn't be astonished if they do that. first of all, the appetite, if the american stop supporting this travesty, i think the public, whatever public sport exist for it will have to operate immediately. but i think that the canadian government understands perfectly well that the only way this more can be sustained is by massive support from united states. if that goes away, canada will become a bit player and will be forced to withdraw. well, i guess that's where citizens a citizen diploma, so you can play

a role especially given that right now. the exchanges between our countries are almost frozen, especially depend, canada and russia. and the whole movement itself originated back in the seventy's, in the eighty's, when uh, ashley's artist business mind started, you know, coming from the west to rush and vice versa. and i remember the best of the time, the west support at this moment, the thinking that it was a nice soft power to why do you think there's so much a position to it now? because as a russian, i cannot go to canada right now. i cannot get a visa, my credit cards don't work there. so why do you think of western researches i'm not as welcoming. thinks that, that the do for example. well, because the direction results in a revelation of the truth, we actually interact with the so called enemy, you realize what in fact is going on. it's very easy in canada because so few people have actually ever been to russia or for example to china,

to misrepresent what's going on there. because they don't and probably never will have the opportunity for direct interaction with russians were chinese in their own country. and so they lie relentlessly of hope it's, it's actually quite astonishing and they get away with it, frankly. and you know, going back to that pool was 32 percent with one imagines how low the number would be if people are actually being show told the truth about this conflict. so i think they're trying to separate relationships with direct people to people relationships in order to be able to stay in the propaganda narrative. and i, i must say, you know, when uh, when they immediately band r t. i, i come here today is to speak to you a accent as a, as an act of defiance. because i cannot object strongly enough to the idea of depriving people of access to russian media even if they are government funded. even if they have a pro government perspective, so to ours, such as the media, you know, uh on the, on some level i can understand that i approve of that, but i understand why they would c r t as sort of uh, as a proof. again,

the tool because we do uh, express, open the position of the russian government we, we do make distinctions between the news and opinions so that we try to be transparent. but it's, it's paula to accept her old. but when they tried to ban russian culture, a classical russian culture, i mean, the things that were started in american or western and universities for decades. this is something that the is, defies. any critical thinking. yeah. so the and then the amounts really to rest of phobia and right racism to be perfectly blunt about it. i saw a report yesterday, the russian tennis player was prevented from taking a flight to a tournament and polish airlines simply because she was russian. i think this is insane. i mean, why, even if you believe that the 100 percent the narrative of the west about the legality of this war, why should she be held as prejudiced favorites over nationality?

it's, it's an effort to demonize all things russia. now, one of the pioneers of citizen, a diploma such as assist roberts fuller, who traveled frequently to the soviet union back in the seventy's and eighty's. believe that this is something that sort of a form of personal responsibility. this is something that people can bring to the world and the she applied is not only to the soviet union, but also to so many other countries. i one day if you have any goals or emissions or, or, or wishes to travel to some other places that died, that was described as the x is available. have you been to rob, have you been to syria? i, i know i right. yeah. i as, as a matter of fact, a result of last year to visit within the next one to 2 years. every official letting me of the west. but that would take me to china. and i specifically want to visit the province of changing. because the west alleges that the genocide is

occurring, there are wants to go to a ran within the next year. i've already been to venezuela and they covered the, the attempt to overthrow the government them a doodle. so that one's that, that, that an issue has been taken care of, but yeah, i, i, this is a part of a broader project which i am personally able to undertake. i'm very fortunate to do that to try to open the eyes of the west to the official entities of the west. what kind of feedback you are getting from people who are following your on social media or in inviting a sharply divergent reactions to show what you say so. so there are people who are extraordinarily supportive people who come out of the woodwork and some of them i, i don't, if i think a socialist, some people who would normally be my political opponents of privately communicated to me, that they're very, very impressed by this initiative. then you have people who are sort of with they don't know what to make of it. and they want to have an a good faith conversation and try to understand why they've done this. and then there are people who are just written, as i say, engaging and open reputation was estimation,

and that's been quite, that's been in the most difficult part of this whole thing. now one of the prominent is rushing to reinforce the reason they suggested that the core of this conflict uh, quote, it least one of the reasons for this conflict is the fact that russia and the west see social progress and very different terms for, for the west it's all about, you know, expression of liberties and some abstract ideas and that's per perhaps a consequence of predict comfortable lives that you guys have had over the last couple of tickets for russia, for china, for venezuela, for many of those countries, it's much more about access to social infrastructure and giving people uh, basic social services that ensuring you know, some bread and butter issues. i wonder if there is any truth to that as far as you are concerned. and what does it take for a westerner to sort of, to take off this judge codes leaving behind and try to look at the society

the way they is without applying all those judging mental and frameworks of how things are supposed to be. you know, having, i guess the basic compassion for, for the country and the people and see how, how far they have progressed from, let's say, 10 years ago. well, you know, this notion of western exceptionalism is so indoctrinated into the population of, of the west that it's very difficult for them to grasp that maybe people don't attach the same importance to material benefits and well being is they do one of the things that struck me about a russian, i know there's a large proportion of people here who don't really, they're not added uh, orthodox russians. but the level of spirituality among the russian people has quite impressed me. i grew up in the greek orthodox church. i'm not a religious man. so seen this level of commitment to orthodoxy is a little bit unusual for me. and i said that's made a big impression on me. the 1st few days i was here, i spoke with

a russian living in moscow. now he's out of high school teacher and she, he actually did a ph. d at oxford, in spanish literature. of all things came back to moscow. and he recounted to me what the russian people went through with the collapse of the civil union in the ninety's and how terrible that was and how things. and it says the disability that has, and the confusion level of social confusion that has developed in the 20 years since . uh, and he said, you know, for russians that matters a great deal more than profits. a great deal more than, you know, the latest gets most from your apple store and that's made to be difficult for you to comprehend. but we just have a different value set. and based on what i've seen that, i think that's, that's true. and we, as the western was, this is why say, i think personal interaction is so important. if people could actually meet russians living in russia who don't necessarily agree with the western narrative about their country. they would understand that their values are not quite the same as our values to well, to make sure we have to leave it there,

but it's been assassinated conversation. thank you very much for that. and good luck. one of your attorneys. thank you so much. okay, take care and thank you for watching hope to syria. again, hunter was a part of the, [000:00:00;00] the, the, the architects of nato's proxy war and russia. a big plans for the cab regime, as the cranes cover offensive sales the country's post floor realities are being planned in the west. alas, these plans will fail to the

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