to me, but i think it's obvious that the most important thing we presented was more casualties . this is key in any kind of armed conflict to us. if we hadn't reacted militarily, use the massacre. the killings by georgia would have continued. there were already many victims at that point, including our peacekeepers since clearly russia had to react. stopping the blush, it was the most important objective flashing of and securing peace, of course, sell to cynthia and deposit you have been peaceful territories since then, protected by russia. what's a joke? and now, 16 years later, what do you think about the development of a policy and software set, cmt power versus relation with those 2 states sickness. and do you think more congress would recognize their independence in the future? we would assume, well, we always want more of course, but if we compare the situation in 2008 with what we see now in 2023,

we can say that the republics are experiencing significant growth in agriculture and tourism. they're able to attract investment. there are talks about the partnership and transportation and logistics. with naturally was a big part of that growth can be attributed to russia's support, especially in the military sector, but more can and should be done. these republics are close neighbors and friends. we contributed to their establishment and the people living there have close ties with the rush of them. some even hold dual citizenship. so by helping the states, we are basically helping ourselves. there are no tensions in our relations. there cannot be any tensions. there are some issues that we can view differently, but this is normal and we discuss such discrepancies. the same happens inside russia when we talking about the development of different regions and what should

be done faster or more slowly. but we are close out as how relations are special. so there are no major disagreements between those 2. typically, the prospects for recognition by other countries. so ask for the prospects for recognition by other countries. this is always a very delicate issue. it is tied to the general geo political situation. it is clear that our decision to recognize them did not arouse enthusiasm in the west. they said they will not recognize the people, but let me remind you that from the standpoint of international law, the fact of recognition is necessary for the emergence of a subject of international law. that is the state. it is not stated anywhere that it should be recognized by a certain number of countries or by the un or some qualified majority. the very fact of recognition itself is important to us. the fact of recognition grants,

international, legal standing. of course, we don't know what will happen next week, but i'm sure that sooner or later history will put everything in its place and the countries that wanted to recognize them and do not fear the opinions of their western comrades will be able to do so. not only a positive and south a city are in such a situation, a number of other territories. for example, the republic of northern cyprus are also widely unrecognized. but this doesn't prevent them from being considered independent by turkey, a and some other legal entities. and i'm not even going to talk about the endless conversations over cost of oh here's, can you see what i've got? what are the cost of it? and what role did the united states and western countries play the beginning of the whole phase or the conflict? once this conflict inevitable, or did these countries external players push georgia to conduct that operation? so you'll show that in the us say plate, gets a turnover roll, look at the role of

a profit cater, and it's the successfully fulfilled this role. so that looks like, especially when it comes to other countries and continence, what were they doing at the time? at 1st they enticed 2nd should really in every possible way. give us an appointment . i remember perfectly well how then us president george bush sense that gosh, really was a very good guy. i simply grinned at the time when i went to the white house, then has to be head of the administration and said, well, we'll wait and see about that. time has shown just what a good guy he is. he's just crazy. he said it's very dangerous. and the us methodically guided the situation into a conflict on russia's borders, nurtured in every possible way, a group of people who at the time we're pursuing this course, said by saga, surely, immediately before the conflict, he will come to several american delegations,

including i believe, one with condo is a rice case, in all likelihood he was told me and don't worry, there's been a change of leadership and russia and in a lot of other factors too. and nothing will happen to you for doing this. and then he rushed to execute this provocation at full speed. so the u. s. did not just add fuel to the fire or try to put a puzzle together. they directly lend the situation to this clash. by the way, they then began to try to dig themselves out and portray a bad situation in a good light. i remember a conversation i had with the same george bush and just a few days after the conflict began. i don't know where he was at the time either in america or at the olympic games, but the fact is he calls me and said, keep in mind that we have military specialists in georgia. i'm so and the megan

hurts when i said it was, it's, it's your problem if you've left them there. well, if you have nothing to blame us for you, that was the conversation, didn't you know, with just a few days after the conflict began. therefore, the united states provoked this conflict. they try to cement these kinds of conflicts in all areas where they believe it can bear fruit. in this case, the goal was to contain the development of russian, and that's a complete one of their geo political tasks. you've just said that the united states actually prevent these conflict conflicts, duke and see the sancho. surely the medical tourism business reward does new responsibility align with georgia is entire political establishment at that time, as well as the nature countries on the united states. we have said for a long time, that's that gosh, really is just the familiar with who bought into this whole story. amen with an inflated ego that eventually turns him into a political corpse,

fish. and he's responsible for everything that happened. not only he but the leadership of georgia at that time, but in political life, everything is arranged so that the final decision is made by the top in person. and he was the number one person responsible. on the georgian side, he made the decision to launch the aggression attribute even taking into account the role of the u. s. and his private occasions. this was ultimately the decision of one person, the georgia head of state. that's why you cannot take the words out of the song here. but the fact is that he is a psycho passed a person with an unbalanced psyche who took stimulants during the conflict and we were conditional. i don't know what he was sniffing or smoking, or what kinds of ties he was showing on. it was clear that he was not mentally stable. this also affected what transpired, but he is also responsible for the georgia lead or chevy. it's that period. now

it's, it's dr. sibley's now in prison. yeah. just because you perio typically claims that he's dying to and from time to time pump. so tough political oblivion since going you mostly with some rules to solve back attack and you would do things that gosh, really should be brought before an international trip. you know, or is george and just as enough, because it seems to me that history and the whole might have already condemned him severely as possible to what i feel. so he has become an outcast in his own homeland. despite the fact that he was previously his head of state, he went on a stupid political journey to crane, where he tried to serve another country. but what is this quite strange for the head of another stage and unacceptable in principle? nevertheless, he tried to do it, but he was thrown out soon because he showed his incompetence and propensity for squabbling. ultimately, under the influence of his political instructors from the west,

from the special services he tried to reenter the territory of his native, georgia, and deservedly went to prison. there. he has already been condemned by every one. but most important labels, though he's been condemned by his own people. when do you believe there are any similarities between the events of almost a $1008.00 and what is happening in ukraine now? would you like to know? why in your opinion, the, the west will not provide the kind of support to georgia, but that it is currently providing to ukraine as little great. the old parallels are conditional. it's not, you can always try to build them, see what looks the same and what looks different. it is obvious and that these are links in the same chain. there's no doubt about that. the situation surrounding self a set to you was a trial step touchstone. at the same time, they were trying to form a model. i mean, that would affect the situation around russia's borders while isolating us and

creating a rooster phobic enclave. from that it was an initial pro perfect video, but it was unsuccessful because we dealt with it quickly enough and showed that the truth is on our side was in georgia, is a small country and their armed forces are small. the americans were involved with them. but not on the same scale. now frame is an entirely different situation. having learned from their experience in georgia, i'm the americans as our main geo political opponents, built the lines of attack in various directions ranging from economic sanctions to direct supplies of lethal weapons. as a supreme commander in chief, you're more well informed about the tactical and strategic challenges that existed in the to solve. and then i do think that experience has been useful in the kind of conflict. of course that has gotten, i'll be frank, even that small and short term conflict showed both in our capabilities and our

weaknesses. as supreme commander in chief, i took a number of decisions, for example, to develop certain branches of the armed forces, communications, some other areas that allowed us to strengthen the army. it was obviously a powerful catalyst for so that allowed us to rethink our entire military strategy . so it was certainly useful was much talk that you had a good relationship with president brock obama. do you see any similarities between a homeless policies and those of his former vice president? now president joe biden know, i'll tell you how it is. things make sense in context of back one more rock. obama was an office and we saw more pragmatism step in the future. just as a reminder, when the george and conflict broke out, george w bush was president much of msu. so that's a different page. we're talking about the initial cuz then came president obama and

there weren't tensions over the developments. and ukraine should then crime me or returned to the russian federation and sanctions were introduced against us. but that was then dealt with why presidents pretended to the fact is that in terms of pragmatism, obama had more sense than joe, by whom i think there are 2 reasons for this human son. first, to put it bluntly, it is a matter of intellectual capacity and which is higher in the case of obama, if given, even in the case of joe white and my to. secondly, the current us president, who was vice president's at the time, is deeply entangled with in your training and affairs. now, it is a disgrace for a leader of such a big country. excellent, a great power, even like the united states of america. as vice president, he was actually tasks by obama to work with the printer. and what words did he do? the 1st he kept giving the ukrainians allows the instructions. and secondly,

he sent his son hunter to ukraine to make money. and he made a nice and quickly lock there to use a colloquial term. and that's why joe biden is now so involved, and they're mentally, politically, and economically combined with the 1st factor, i mentioned the intellectual capacity. it completely tied him up, made him a hostage of ukraine, and it became his policy that a set of course, both for the us and for ukraine, which has to continue this difficult struggle as a result of sending masses of soldiers to their certain depths. the only reason for this, as i've said, is the deep involvement of the binding family in ukraine. i need to come all of you don't western political strategist decision makers,

the democratic party. you see the involvement of dividing family new cream cream as to weakness. i guess the 5th suits every body, sees that every body's writing about it's incorrectly, but the u. s. although it's not what we're talking about right now has become a rather peculiar skate. they have started indicting their own former presidents and why not to ensure that justice prevails to prevent donald trump from running for president. again, they're not even trying to hide it. that is the 1st thing. and then secondly, there is a huge clash between different buildings. the conservative republican establishment and the liberal segment, the democratic party that has torn the us a part of the us, as in boy, held an internal strife at odds with itself. and i think there are some elements in this conflict that make it to your reconcile level. so i'm going to go to this kind

of internal conflict. one might say, often ends in civil war. i don't know what's in store for the us, but that is the level of conflict. that's what it looks like right now that we've been meeting the same can be said about the binding families affairs, and involvement in ukraine. everyone can see it. what the democrats are giving their president blanket support. never mind that he's on the state of progressive dementia, while the conservative republicans are having a field day, exposing the ugly state of affairs. of course, everyone has their own interests, and the republican party is also anti russian, but they have more pragmatic members. it was to close. the waves actually responded to the georgian expression, and the youngest of 2000 and age was suppose to send a direct signal to the u. s. and nature of that's most concerns on not to be dismissed. but judging from the developments that followed russia's message fell in

daffy's solution. do you think that perhaps we should have been even tougher in 2008, and instead of listening to mitigate, as gab, the time trolling or is about no matter how loud our signals are not getting through to the collective west. let's be clear, had the actually listen to us, new things would have been better. no question about it. at the very least, we would not be facing the threats of a 3rd world war as we are now. our adversaries are effectively pushing the planets towards a new global conflict, and they refuse to listen to us as for the actions that rush it to back then, i believe they were necessary and they weren't adequate. because on the one hand, we punched back against an aggressor and succeeded in restoring order. as you know, ultimately, george's political leadership changed. and on the other hand,

we avoided a full fledged confrontation with the rest of the world. securing a peaceful respite during which we continued to develop, gro, improve our armed forces, and prepare for further trouble. in question about the scope of the ongoing ukraine conflict, multiple experts have described it as a x essential for i shifted. what do you say that it is just as existential for the united states and the west and both president clinton and myself have commented on that several times. yes, this conflict is very much existed in children for our country as we're faced with an existential choice. either we survive as a major history defining global power, or we're going to be torn apart torrent parts and by our enemies, and by the yapping little, much running around under their feet to us. this is

a question of russia's continued existence. that's how this conflict must be perceived, and that's precisely the way rushes leadership views it. but even more importantly, that is exactly how our people see it, including the ones now fighting on the front lines defending our homeland. you know, i meet with a lot of them as they are preparing to go into the conflict zone. in fact, recently i've been directly involved in the manning and equipping of our armed forces on instructions from the president. so i often get to spend time with them talking, drinking tea together. so when i ask them, what drives you to keep fighting? and these are all experienced battle hardened soldiers over 40 or even 50 years old . and the answer is, yeah. who else is not us? it is a matter of survival. okay. and that is what matters most. i have been in the

conflict zone for a year and a half myself since and i agree with you completely. our boys are fighting not for the thrill of it or not for money, but for the reason that you quoted who else if not us, but going back to my questions, we've concluded that it is an existential thread for russia. but is it for the west? yes, now for the 2nd part of your question, which i believe they themselves do not see it that way. what they like to do is add fuel to other people's fires, which is especially true for the americans. this is how they look at it. oh, someone else's place is burning to what is old right. it will never reach us any way, not even in the cannot make sense for us. and that is true to an extent. somebody just think about it. who stands to lose from this conflict? euro before we talk, which was robbed of a massive market in russia to has suffered economic losses and who has gained the

united states. they were able to put everyone under their thumb. economy was which they dictate which sector of the economy will grow. and in what direction of that, they co, worse other countries into buying their energy resources, including natural gas. in the past, the europeans were least able to resist arguing that russian, oil and gas were much cheaper. but now they are too scared to even mumble anything . and response, but they are now part of an orchestra with the us as the conductor. so they can only play and seeing what the conductor orders. as a result, the u. s. makes a profit. europe keeps losing, and the whole world is on the edge. if we look at the whole situation from this angle, the conflict takes on a planetary scale, all it is a conflict between 2 worlds and an existing shall crisis for the entire world.

many political scientists and politicians are now saying the same thing, okay? the fact that the europeans failed to see it, and the americans refused to acknowledge it, is a very bad thing. and for one simple reason, they believe that they can control the conflict at the expense of others. this proxy war as they call it, i mean it is a way of breaking up the fire with other people's hands. in this case, the ukrainians, the americans are sending them to the slaughter. and they couldn't care less about the loss of life through all that. just to achieve their own goals. i think that ultimately this is a problem for the entire world to deal with them and get everybody's award to the last ukranian like some put it. there is also a concern to the united states. my tried to ignite new conflicts in the conference

that border russia do share that concern. how well in your view is russia prepared to handle in writing such conflicts in the us will certainly try to insights, even more confrontations, which the whole history of the united states, at least in the 20th and 21st century. specifically, is a series of attempts by america to get involved in someone else's conflicts in order to pursue its own interest. and like i said before, washington's goals are very much practical in nature. wherever there was a warrant or an armed conflict and people die. and the americans are making money out of it. and i mean, one of the reasons they can do it is because they had successfully altered the course of economic development in europe. and now their companies are making money, both by selling goods and by shipping american made weapons, they will happily spend billions of dollars. the joe biden is now squeezing out of

congress. i know the debates, there are moving at a snail's pace, but the money is still flowing. we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars. and while it's actually all money taken out of the us budget as biden's own, critics rightly argue the american companies are the ones that profit america's military industrial complex is booming. they've got their hands full of contracts. in that sense, they're very much interested in prolonging this war and making sure that it's flame and doesn't die out for a very long time. american soldiers are not the ones dying after wrong. it is some other people know, some place far away, where all the fighting has happened to the bookstore. they have absolutely 0 sympathy for them. and the prospect of fighting a war to the last ukrainian doesn't scare them in the slightest point with the

premium crisis. still unfolding george's car and little ship has had to make a number of tough decisions. if so, how would you assess the current state of relations between rushing georgia, georgia, and i'm has here in georgia and south of a c area as well. well, i think it is best if the parties involved in this triangle did the assessment themselves. although we are watching the developments closely in politics, everything is possible. and having a pragmatic approach is a central, we all have a motion. but when making decisions, we must put emotions aside to the current iteration of george and leadership has a remarkable sense of pragmatism, which is why we're building stronger relations with georgia. and which is why we have allowed georgia nationals. these are free access to rush as well as restarted air, travel with the country. and clearly there are still some on hinged and outright

crazy people over there and some with the very strange ideas. the currents of george and president. i don't even know if she speaks george and all i know is that she's a french woman, somewhat tally in the background, who's adamantly opposed to developing the economy of her own country. but in modern and georgia, politicians of her caliber don't really make the decisions. the country is a parliamentary republic and the role of the president plays is marginal. i hope that the georgia and government has enough pragmatism to face the facts, including the existence of independence, south, a city a and a positive, and build relations with them. because historically, their peoples have been very close to speaking of pragmatism, refreshing judge and relation haven't been particularly woman the rest. and yes, despite the clear economic potential, the georgia now position says asterisk step, we take such as introducing visa, free travel, or restoring direct lies as

a publication more doesn't charges, economic contribution. the 2 is to make up one's searches of george's g, d p, match the result of their loyalty to their overseas most as seems to come to us store loads. it's very simple. and if you take an average georgians citizen on the streets and ask them if they want georgia to have russian taurus, well, if it's an ordinary person, they will say yes. but if it's a politicized figure, someone who's making money for scoring political points on this issue, then you'll get an emotional outburst. of course, the consequences of the russian george and the conflict are still being felt. despite the extensive support and assistance that our people once gave to georgia for it's development without rushes care who knows what would have happened to the georgia and people, and whether the state would still even exist at all today. so ordinary people there support cooperation,

but political lunatics are against it. now how do you personally feel about georgette? it's culture and traditions. of course i feel positive. they are an ancient people with an ancient culture that is very close to us because we live close to each other. and we have a big george and diaspora in russia. how many elements of george and culture are perceived as part of our own culture. if you look up, shush, leak, or something like that, most countries don't see it as george and the seat as part of russian. queasy. that's just one example that the same can be said about music, cultural and political elites. so the sooner our political relations can be fully normalized, the better safety of chicago across, do you think the day will come when russian georgie, i can be friends again. a sort of history works over long periods of time. the day will certainly come, but i don't know when,

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