the, the hello and welcome to was a part in this new foreign policy concept signed into law the spring. russia for the 1st time officially defined itself as a distinct country civilization, but its own set of values and its own articulated vision of the world. and the relations between nations. what does it mean for the way moscow positions itself on the international stage? and perhaps even more important to me, how it goes about building its own life here at home. i'll discuss it. i'm now enjoying bar on the pretty bulk one, a fresh us most to renounce colors of the east as a senior searcher with the people's friendship university of russia. by st. bye, thank you so much for your time. when happy to talk and answer your questions. and let's start with the concepts i mentioned pick up on which has given rise to many

discussions and russia about what a civilization is. sort of how it is different from a country that section only if i could just so we're working primarily with english speaking audiences from i've had a lot of trouble coming up with a good english word for some of with me. but finally, because it's kind of means unique, unique, distinct, exceptional, and what have you. so sufficient? what does that you go? another option? what's your understanding of this idea from up with the civilization self sufficiency? no is rooted within the particular characteristics who's totally in to look for the cultural and intellectual leads of the country. yeah, i thought certainly was which then and it kind of a ripple effect of propagation across the rest of the population. the shooting, you mean your position is less than bolt and higher. cultural endeavors include education management, etc, to go with them. but in this regard rusher would like to be self sufficient and i think it has

a good chance of achieving this goal. so you have this top down idea of a self sufficient civilization. however, russian lives have changed dramatically over the past few centuries. will the countries either some craddick self sufficiency? how's the theory remain the same? then you might to use just see if something goes established to cold, say at the end of the must go roost area to cuba and as soon as 10 such a major top down revolution, the role of a hold on people to see. oh, cool, cool, cool. what was the dates of a great tried to accomplish, let up you those old habits come back story. those patterns just called disappear. the new uh style. let me explain. one aspect of this concept. you could, i mean, what would you have? so yeah, we just need to go to the opposite types of deletes and with the coy cobra and sold a direct below. no. good, good. i and these people got but you know, the best example of a corporate delete is the british or they just shipping the price. you nearly take a lead time for you to complete these people. united by

a shared educational background where i am strong. but someone, psycho pathological use themselves think a generalized version of eating college. and you still couldn't care less about the countries people that they worked to benefit each other to protect their own privilege, to be able to guess all those white masters. let's just look at how those what masters treated for english sailors. those can afford a best example of a society was sold into relates, which is the opposite type. is china, is it a couple things to consider soon as most slipped back in the times of pizza? the great tools consulted the relates was beginning to form and our country. so let's make these clear. for all viewers, we're talking about officials who genuinely care about the people's interest. yes, however, in the heat, it may sounds just that these officials losing light in states. most do not see themselves as much different from the rest. so there is the ritual as well as a bureaucratic aspect of course, move before the to the great depression as a leads include a top clergy, but sure, definitely. so can use the most definitely. it was an example of

a solid area. let me just a little in the as the anglo saxons, and especially that americans have been raised in the spirit of calvinism or puritanism, which essentially had broken the christian tradition workshop for the while. they divided people into the chosen ones and the rest were not chosen. and it's not just that they're not chosen to turn they use is rep probate 1st. which means forever alienated godforsaken. those who have no hope and whose only purpose in life is to serve the elect. good, certainly, but that's not what we have here. what circling back to some, a business to a self sufficiency. american concept of exceptionalism also includes this idea of being unique to how was russian some a business different from american exceptionalism. yeah, do you mind if i think russia any wrong? the said something in common in those regards. at least partially expressions,

this tree includes a successful attempt at creating an expanding spiritual, continue using via video to city, as opposed to the empire as built by the anglo saxons, the french, and so on. she's on what, which meant, colonizing overseas territories. fox, who contiguous employer e, which means communication, but then it's bold as easy. a border did not insight a desire to subject gauge and crush conference people's nicole as to meaning you did each although sadly such instances also took place, but it was nowhere near the scale, evidently in the envelope sykes and spanish, portuguese, and pause. and so that was that well, but not much for moving you to response. if you put 2 guys of what even though it was that the results of byzantine influence. because the eastern roman empire operated on the same principles. thinking that repression was counter productive. that it was easier to assume in like new subjects on negotiated compromise with them to go to an extent. yes most let's go though. one might argue that with the

follow up with these on time in par, to here is emerged. but most of the 2nd there was the ultimate and bar she has to do is go to the oldest bureaucratic systems of governments from the greeks. where else could they get them going to send the sultan's greek subject 7th, cold in by the last? what the many observers have remarked upon russia's uniqueness over this century's skilful carpet. it seems to me that many russians use as a sign of inferiority or deficiency while attention do. chips, famous lines to russia cannot be known by the mind, no measured by the common measure. you know, how you can only believe in russia are often quoted with the beat of his smoke. well, with a beat of condescension or self deprecation lashing and fox i. and so why do you think is that can with us as are you? do i think it has to do with the negative side of the russian traditions of

government? really new people who make russia in all seriousness. and this may have and you can be serious about milk or you can be sincere, are most likely, but still without the concept. yes, small current concept that 2 different things, most likely. there are people who would like to contribute to the development of the lens to explain what feel that they are not allowed to, but then it, if given a chance that would stop more, can i chose to send it to prison unit. i was able to be doing productive, uninspiring work to you go to the to. so i think this is a clash between persons of old solidarity solutions. are they inherited from the design to an empire in the city and even from china, i chose to present to you. it's just the kind of corporate top players superimposed and paused by piece of the crate and then paused by catherine the 2nd. just use the so the, when the empress grants are those freedoms to the nobility, she created a corporate elite for funding components. even though there was also the post solve your period to. and we were happy to embrace that mentality in the last lives. that

was the latest stage. those are the ones that it's embrace to it. but the majority of people who are simply confused, if you have listed many different incidences under russia, there's a fundamental principle in psychology which says that you cannot be fully mature and grow as a person. if you don't accept yourself as a whole without judging yourself too. much or you can sing clear the stage, know where we can begin to accept our sales and a pause to bring. yeah, and i was still just responding to the west reaction, so they're turning away from us now. well then we'll turn away from them through a certain extent. we are responding to the west reaction. you know, at the same time, we haven't yet decided which parts about history to choose as a point of reference to put in which the sun prefer the soviet union to others prefer the russian empire of summer than thinking about russia before each of the great new media look is always good, which these things need to be harmonized. they should be an understanding of the common thread. we're still could we buy new and i believe that's what fluctuations

in the approaches to building the leads and the methods of the leads education and upbringing is there with all the main site to those issues and should be looked into what you've written. that's what defines that civilization as opposed to country is not just formulating but leaving its values in the flesh and uses them to establish the civilization so unique way of life and broad a world view here. based on these approach, what's less ation size in the world with the internet can use to 3 or 4 main civilizations. unfortunately follows from my theory. the far eastern civilization is china. it's cool, but also includes korea vietnam, especially most vietnam in japan, and maybe something else that you use. and we have the south asian satellite station centered around india currently includes in the ball. and so a lanka ship and used to include most of indo, china is the shape of selection because you're still sell to

a certain extent and indonesia. what do you want me to spend? we have the middle eastern civilization of which there are 2 versions of the bigot pulse includes the arabic world and jewish culture, which is quite similar to the let. the consists of just one that's nice, that's a human there organize in similar ways though in the wrong e. okay. and lastly, we have the western civilization if i could, if it was, but which also includes us, but as at least 3 different versions used by me and what, what did anybody on top? there's the mainland european version globally, even a piece key will tend the insular anglo saxon version of the socials for more than a century. they have not consider themselves europeans to be able to peace and their right, even though they do only when it's huge. that goes yes, on the but the americans comp really consider themselves to be your opinions. and then there is us, you can you originally even our version these the orthodox version, of course, the annotated, and pretty much loan already on to chris jones from each to at the same time was if

you look at our resources for so we're similar to china because chinese once huge countries, even though surrounded by countries be influenced by its culture. she said, i think it was too late. we are a huge country surrounded by people that used to until recently or still share our faith was in the, for example of georgians. the bulgarians, romanians, the greeks, serves etc. no. then it's noticeable. see at this patterns of how these people sees themselves. so what's the value is they have keep a patriot being in spite of frequent betrayals by the lead. so which happens both here and there. there's still this feeling of kinship, so am i get you this right? that's weird, kind of a hybrid civilization that can boost adaptable, ended comment, died and also creates something unique. it's difficult more i'd say not really hybrid like europeans. we are a version of it's hard time. we sped up our development to try to see what so. but mostly because the most of the time we have been the referral version for me. it's

not hard to see why in the frustrated cold that we left mean, she doesn't have a large population. also, plus product is lower nationwide. and so we don't have that much to offer to the leads so that they can develop various forms of culture and with this but still when we decided to how to go it, it's in earnest. good. just look at the results. we can easily consider mathematics and music to be the highest achievements of european culture, although many will disagree with me. here. e. o scott, both the russian mathematical school and russian music are truly extraordinary, where a 2nd to none is here. according to what i mean yet, but we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments extension. the, [000:00:00;00]

the problem was what the noise was on. i mean the got it and the for the lower ability when, when is the check id be out of the, the she sent them a set of temporary like what sort of issue the she told me to choose and what is the origin, the policy, you know, in syria, enormous multi seem easy isn't what? is it going to get?

no, no, and i'm of course it only opened was he got a gun that will allow us to send anyone at all? no, that's fine. the the welcome back to was a part with on the day putting bulk one a fresh us most renowned colors of the east of the senior research or when the

people's friendship, university of russia village. mr. perry bulk, in the 1st part of the program, we discussed the diversity of civilization. so you read it, almost all of them emerge during the so called actual age. where were you able to use a term coined by coal, jasper's whom you admire that of if the premiums were talking about the period of 2500 years ago, you would take 2 full centuries. i'm curious to know what's in your opinion, makes an era an axial age. could we be currently living through one foot bureau? it's no more what i think makes it an actual age is the crisis of what i would call by battery. and as should i should put aside this is my user of the term. or you could mean something different from a child that also is called the buyer and is around this specifically. but then there were too many different professions to many people. and some of the great so

wealth due to natural growth will still to the old forms of social organization or some sort of it, which has to be mostly based on family ties were no longer effective. postpone them really cool and the people no longer perceived each other naturally as legitimate human beings. what do you mind? don't, don't get pulled up. so maybe what do you do is nonsense more much of your own dot . i'm not going to allow my daughter to marry your son if i think that your work is nonsensical, eat the restaurant, different cultures, or rather to free civilizational, but quite advanced societies. this plus the options to came up with different solutions for cementing the cultural integrity. cheated with quinn, totally easy in store, but it's mostly talking about the acknowledgment of the value of each other's minds, scales, and so on, because without the to cut even share and religions. but it took me to do that. so it came to pass that in the west, what cemented society was thinking together to mean to we shouldn't push up to

something that the greeks called logos and then it's a little ratio reason. so, oh, what i was getting to it was up sedation, 1st homes for a very complex and symbolic rituals. what about the widow but the what phase of its good? well what do you choose to be shameless? leaned into a very acute powers of observation. much of the e. uh you got a piece, an important european and then the european elite is the thinking man in the middle east and west. okay. and together is also important for what you buy from the mess is more then the content of your thinking is the role of the person who expresses the judgment through it. the whole story which goes away to the source with us all law, me, lisa, and gold company, not all the gold of the jews, as someone whose judgment jesus even in the form of revelations, is absolute authority and cannot be challenged. the purely european structure manages without such a golden. that'll go to thinking like, and the rest of those works. this brings me a right to my next question, was that you claim that an advantage or

a unique feature of russia is subordinates by his sense of spirit shell, community for the state of inactive thinking together to this isn't even hard a concept to express in english we might be able to explain it in more acceptable terms. and most importantly, what does it give us? the bill, i recently read a colleague's article where he's argues that the word subordinate was coined in the russian translation of his level file out of scope pieces. originally written in french sloop, i don't know what the original french word was. i'm just not maybe coming young female, definitely not community. i don't know for sure. i forget. the dc, the civilizational solution, worked out in russia, which we can call subordinate with a free is, in my opinion as follows. gentlemen, with a couple of thoughts on those thinking, cool. we see leads for, it understands you develops and supports the ideas of this civilization. right. but usually it's mostly done and civil is out. see how the people are involved as well . actually,

a logically and emotionally completed so many of whom are incapable of independence, thoughts. and we'll get a couple of new special, but who can relate to the values reflect, invest, thinking a couple of times. i'd say that mostly in your what 3. so in the traditional version of the russian civilization before the modem era, there that kind of this phenomenon was represented by the liturgy who died in the position. i am a. so i can use need that in the regular joint practice, encouraged and motivated people to perceive each other as kindred beings, school, next lovely. but am very interested in young's dep psychology which in essence studies the collective unconscious. what religion calls god the rest of it. i think it was just for some reason why it's a ball going through a, i mean, i think that in this respect some of that some russia means more towards the collective, unconscious photo connectivity. the way and besides, i know in these, every individual so was invested in the big collective psyche of the west. on the

other hand is more individualistic it uses. but if i was to paraphrase nature, god is constantly being eliminated. so does a collective aspect is removed, your bu, well, can only agree impulse from the believe. if we talk about the essence of god's cox, it is definitely not. i'm conscious of bucks more useful, but it is super conscious that the can use the 3 of those and not to the us. but if i might have to write or trans personal for something that's bigger than human, nature was bigger than the individual postpone. or if i'd like to share my personal opinion and see what you think that the cost of what i believe the any ideology, any civilization that changes in humans or the consciousness is due to the process . because the human mind simply comp handle this massive burden. in uh, got it, so i skipped the human mind is incapable of existing,

incomplete disregard of that on a washer. and even if i was saying, is that say so i was wondering what the next step of this was an attribute of the soviet project. well, my question is about the western civilization, but it was kaiser you see the rejects these aspects of lots and, and we wouldn't be able to go through transformation without crashing and devoid the soviet union scenario. you had to move in, you know, i don't think so difficult. i would even say definitely not the it's of cousin police crash. but even if it's a little, even from the demographic standpoint, is the child pre philosophy as well as other attempts to alter natural biology and impede essential rep production will lead to elimination the love shape more. generally, these trend dualism towards individual isn't that most of will always go into turn . what used to be a society can re sheets into groups of like charges that repel each other just when

you move, just know that there will be no societies but and, and i guess these benefits some malicious centers, malicious corporate delete that wants to control everyone else react, that's what i think it basically, it's about consciously turning people into some unconsciousness which can be easily controlled. yes. those who want to do so, and there are definitely such people around are consistently story consciously building the system. once he says you want us made this very interesting point, put another western civilizations definition of progress. it differs greatly from the way all the civilizations understand it. could you elaborate more than that, please? what was happening? well, the western civilization is diverse, which did we spend almost 2 centuries ago. hazelton made fun of the idea of infinite progress, both quantitative and qualitative. for some reason, especially in the american way of thinking, there must be more of everything or everything should be must produced. when asked why the advocates of such values usually find themselves nonplussed,

goes on who would have thought of another battery until the progress of sales represented by the us to saw you perform each a good variance. it's not a complete one, which was not helping out and nourishing the upper parts of the population. the most developed the most talented, the most persistent, one, mcgruther in pulling up the lower parts are new space and the use associated to colossal results in that. so either way, but the best way would be to combine the 2 approaches progress the way it is seen by the indian civilization or chinese or a pro agents are less ation is not expressed as vividly. and it's doubtful that it can be directly translated. sorry for jump in in the testing of those cultures and civilizations, you mentioned also have this very explicit idea of balance and understanding the too much of an a thing is it has a burden too much of anderson is not good there's. it's can be distraction from things that are more important and valuable. yeah, of course. so any over development is dangerous. there's an old chinese tory story

about a man to invented something that you'd now call in aircraft to what this little be showed as invention to the embroidery and the emperor assigned to the man in order these execution. because you then pro realized you wouldn't be able to manage this . i mentioned um, if you wrote recently that, that suggesting of russia become a normal country as the 1st post soviet administer for relations, one state is as ridiculous a suggestion of bribes. the talented persons become, become an average. joe, who eats, sleeps and water is little about any of the rays of creation are missing. if we take a look at china, which also define as a worldly, historical civilization is upset. but one thing it has made great efforts is to help its people to me and people in other countries which have a decent quality of life, what the best for us 3 desktops. and of course, i don't think the chinese culture piece, dignity against, well,

for these 2 things around the scene is complimentary. it does rusher really need to see. well, that's something that contradicts its unique identity list. you know, i think this opposition is very harmful to do with that. i can also close mom a lot of from dusty escape me a lot of us bullets these notes advice, cancer, but bigger is to look at that stall. so we must draw up on the soviet experience and raise the lower classes to a decent level of existence with task you, which usually a slight decent material level of existence, new material and invest. if i look further impulse methods, i recently found out lead, you know, as a reach us people the very top, spend their money. i maybe have some issues with it and it's all kinds of nonsense for sure. you don't do. not in those jolts you travel to put your fist if there's a trivial people that of course they should not be happening. it will condition those, they should be no deficit. of course, the, what was on which was for the other things that you may be,

i am an a person in the initial cust. uh, think that people should be educated in such a way that they can at least ask themselves. i have all the necessary things you choose, so i can send my child to kindergarten that i have the money to hire a babysitter. but with my wife and i can go on vacation here and there i'm getting a shift. so do i really, really need anything else with those that are, should distinguish between the standard of living and quality of life? and the standard of living is obviously determined by how much money you have with them. cuz choosing us for quality of life, it depends on how much time do you have to spend at your own discretions. we move please where the and you go to a certain level of an increase in the standard of living senior leads to an increase in the quality of life. and one of us the most time to provide that for everyone more or less sense of company, except maybe 10 percent who are genetically and capable of productive work. who will always have that number because people are different now that so then we must

explain to everyone that they can increase the standard of living. so does it cost? no gosh, the quality of life will either freeze or pour go down. these sound the richest people spend huge money on ties. you'll tend to like the key of the all in russia. but almost where you can expect to find remnants of the novel research mentality of the ninety's, but everywhere. and it's absurd. yeah, we're almost out of time venture the, which i'd like to us. one last question along many cultures. who thought of that, how they claim to be civilized ation. if it doesn't make a distinction between doing and be in the tip and being is not the same as having a high quality of life. the reward is something else. but maybe i find that fascinating thought, i think it's one of those things like subordinate me suction recall audit can be hard to explain to west in person. that was, what do you think is the difference between having a high quality of life and being the custom in the high quality of life?

the reason for my definitions is evans unnecessary conditions. i know you mentioned in terms of the number of hours available in the week, just the worst of all taking being which is which is because i trusted for i would say to be conscious of your existence, my wife and paul take in the transcendent shifts of those things and seem of, if you are orthodox means one thing, if you're boldest, it means another. if you're a stoic meeting or a know perhaps most, it's something else. but without said, you're essentially so monday in person, we should start on some bound to this world to start on. yes, it's just the 180 have some brain. you will feel however vaguely when we start such a mundane, existence is absolutely meaningless. absolutely distinguish. okay. so this reminds me of some because sure. suppose you kind of make sense that we have so many is only movies today for zombies, people or human like creatures that woke and eat. they're not really in touch with

life. but anyway, this has been very interesting, but it's time to wrap it up. thank you so much for coming. thank you for the conversation. well, that's all we have time for. thank you for watching. i hope to hear again, and it was a part of the american voters are rarely interested in the world policy during election cycles. but a said the issue between maybe the exception this time around, particularly among t o p voters, much of the republican base us our w brain policy based see it is by

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