the candidate status in 2022. the the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered on people about american voters are rarely interested in foreign policy during election cycles. that said, the issue of ukraine may be the exception this time round, particularly among g o. p voters, much of the republican base, a sour them ukraine policy. they see it as biden's war. the

discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guest drawer to send you what are we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and elizabeth, we crossteck like morris is host of the redacted news podcast and a former fox news acre. quite gentleman, prospect means in fact that needs to get into a meantime one. and i always appreciated. right, george in budapest, it was very interesting how over the last few weeks out of the ukraine policies played out in the us presidential election. but having said that, a foreign minister lobrado said on the last new cycle, which i think is quite interesting said, we know what we're fighting for. what is the bike administration fighting for? it is a very good question. as far as one can tell, is fighting for the right to keep the wall going in definitely is doing good business for us on the manufacturers. and it's getting russians honest.

lindsey graham, same as we said, your best money ever spent, you know, the reference of buying. so i that tool is the only strategic objectives of it. is it possible to the sun and the case of buy them? i mean, when it comes to the republicans august, they, they're all the, the neo cons, and there is donald trump and trump himself. however, as always, has been ambiguous so many he's not quite sure. does he want to be the tough guy who's going to, you know, stand out the boat and bring this war to an end? or does he want to be the piece? make a will finally. uh, you know, be, deliver what everyone obviously wants to, is bringing it both ways. and this happened during his presidency with me. and when you tried to sit on 2 stools, tried to use a full in between the a, you know, cleaning. it's very interesting looking at the main stream media coverage of the conflict in ukraine and it's, it's about 99.9 percent in one direction. but at the same time, you have

a lot of people and if you look in alternative media and the pod cast and whatnot is almost the reverse, there's in an enormous amount of skepticism in the skepticism is only getting more intense as people actually learn more about the context of the conflict, your thoughts? i, i agree with you. i think that there's been an awakening when we were covering at the beginning of the war and drawing attention to this is not just started in february. this goes back many, many years. there's a lot of context here. let's talk about victoria newland. let's talk about all of the pieces under the obama administration that were put in place to get us to this point. the expansion of nato, and people would say, no, no, you can't talk about that. we were banned and blocked and censored and taken off youtube and now i've been there. so what is that we, we, you know, you know how it goes, right? so you've, you've been expand now. i think there's this awakening, this unfolding. and even just among, i know anecdotes right, really don't fly,

but even like among friends who are sort of, wow, maybe had you know, ukrainian flags flying or, or, or pulled up in their, their, their twitter bios. you've seen a removal of that. you've seen flags removed just even going around portugal to parts of europe where you had all of the flags and subway stops and, and billboards. and everything had been removed. and i think there's a growing awareness and i think it's starting to trickle into the main stream. and i'm encouraged by that. it's a i like when people become educated. yeah, yeah. but it's sometimes it's really hard to get it out there. it doesn't charge me . we, you, we could all be very skeptical here and take a step back. okay, so the 5 and administrator, and as for the war, overwhelmingly, trump is against bite. and so support trump, you see what i mean? how it kind of plays. it plays into that because it's clayton is mentioned, you know, the more you're educated about this, the more questions that are, that are brought up. but then there's also a political wedge issue i'm against base because he's for it is i think there is

part of that as well. george? yes. uh without question. and uh, and i think that's the problem. there's originally but with chrome and, and his acolytes is that they're constantly attacking by them. but it's not clear always what are they attacking by them full because some of them are attacking buying but not doing, you know, do i have a ukraine and, and drums as well. it wouldn't have happened if i were president because i was so talk then, you know, built in with the dad to do anything with me. and so, so the, the difficulty however, is i may i agree with weights and is that there is the public perception of ukraine is very different from the perception of the foreign policy making. you lead the policy making your lead is absolutely gone home and supporting the ukraine. but because i think you've greenville, when they just want to go on bleeding, russia. however, the public, as you know, as,

as nobody knows who is the best thing about that. well, the polls show that as knowing susie, as on board, the st. you know, no way do you see any demonstrations against russia. um, it just costing a lot of money and i think that point is saving into people's consciousness to say we're spending all this money on the landscape. i don't, you know, we go on hand and you know, there's no money, but this is no money for health care. and then what date with dental care, whatever. but does it promptly infinite amount of money? but uh, as soon as get the question that is, how do we get to some kind of democratic accountability. so if it's a public view, oh, we'll do back, we'll get to that with the war powers act that we just pay the past this time of the 2nd half of the program. i clayton, i a good george davis, a wonderful segue into the self destruction of mike pens by tucker carlson, which is very interesting is because, you know, as i said in my introduction, you know, much of the republican base is salary this year, but not the leads and this is one of the things that george and i have talked about

a lot over ever since the conflict started this iteration of meaning in february of last year. is that now we're seeing the real start difference between well, the establishment and everybody else. well, it was interesting to watch tuckers is this the ration of a lot of these candidates over the past few days and you really, you're absolutely right about it. there's this dichotomy between the people in the audience and the sort of automaton sewer up on stage. mike pen, spring we're, we're the perfect perfect robot, right? the neoconservative robot, and i think one interesting narrative emerged when you watched all of those interviews. it was this idea of we can walk and chew gum at the same time. and so they're having this very narrow debate right now. biden is too slow to get, gets into ukraine. we would do it more quickly, and that's literally the spatter. yeah, that's the spectrum. you know, and,

and so there is no daylight at all between democrats and republicans. but you have this audience sitting there saying, wait a minute, why are we sending billions of dollars into this vacuum cleaner? that's ukraine. why are we doing this? when our bridges are collapsing in the united states? when we have a fit and all crisis pouring across our borders, when people can't afford the rent and they're working harder for less money is the us dollar continues to be the value. so it's amazing to watch this disconnected. but georgia definitely right. there is an absolute thirst for continuing the military industrial complex in the united states and just follow the money. and all of those mansions that pop up around washington dc. they're all fueled by the military industrial complex and defense contractor. so the money is just pouring into washington d. c. and then of course, you'll have this, you will hear in next week. and the military industrial complex will make even more money. once that, that disclosure project comes out, they'll make trillions instead of billions of you know, judge,

it was interesting. the has a, nikki haley, me see, might not have been obliterated. but she certainly learned her lesson from mike pence. ok meeting. she does, doesn't really say anything subsystem she never has before. why should we expect it now? but the, what the, the, the, the tucker interviews showed in least if you, if you're interested in the topic of the, there are red lines. there people have certain limits and they don't like being lied to. okay. so it's for democracy. uh, okay, so then why are their elections going on in ukraine? okay. well, it's about transparency. why can't you have an audit of all the money that's going? they're excited people, you know, people don't like to be treated as it is if they're children. yeah. then the question, and it's was very striking that the in the 2016 when the trump um,

what is this array to is full of his or republican opponents. he did it by a very clear, unambiguous messages, and we will like to about the rock. thank you. absolutely, it was a con job that and as you went further, you said that they knew it was a tongue job. those people who, you know, the, that's the thousands of americans are on them because they lied to the american public and everyone assumed, well, this is the end of trump. you know, you know, he, he, gals survivors and he's the republican voters, seal the deal. yeah. you're absolutely right. we will lied to and this was in south carolina, you know, where you're the home of all the veterans. yeah. so you ask the people want, you know, the true soul and are, and they told that everything that they've been told about ukraine about zalinski has been lies. and, and that is, that isn't any build. and that also explains dr. carson's notice recommendation. i mean, he's standing among the republicans is extraordinary. and topic also has been the

one person on the main stream media who has been absolutely outspoken on the the subject of the ukraine. yeah. because he's not afraid. he's not afraid everybody else is put into the oscar being afraid of going to i find of bobby kennedy junior, this position on this very interesting to so you have a obviously he's not the frontrunner in the democratic primary because there isn't a democratic primary. but i mean, he is prominent within the party and alter alternative media. he's very, very popular now, like in the main street here, but it's very interesting. you have a bobby kennedy junior in trump, maybe not saying the same things, but both being skeptical of being skeptical and both being marginalized, uncensored and blocked by the mainstream media. and it's amazing to watch when they say something, what you're allowed, then to cover in the mainstream press or to have again,

youtube censoring videos blocking uh, shutting down entire channels because of what bobby kennedy junior has to say. i don't agree with him on, on everything at all, but i think when you have a candidate who's willing and afraid to come out and say, you know, why are we doing this? i will, he says, i'm gonna shut down all the military bases around the world. do you ever think they're going to let him become president of the united states? when he says that i'm going to dismantle the military industrial complex. i'm going to take and shut down these military bases i did with my wife and the how can i stay there quite, and how can you say that you're going to speak to the comment on, isn't that a comment on the, on the the scituate patient of democracy in america, you just said they'll never allow him to do that. well, i, well, what happened to the democratic process? yeah, i mean, that's beside, i think we're now really seeing through this facade that the, it's the money, it's the donors. all you need to do is go back seen these nuggets of bernie sanders

right when when m. s. nbc produced theirs and whistle blowers that most nbc came forward and admitted that they were told that they were not allowed to put bernie sanders on television. right then even in their graphics that they had on their screen when they showed who's the core, the candidates running for president right now, it was interesting to see in, you know, andrew yang and other people removed from the graphic and they had comma, la harris on there who was pulling lower than bernie sanders. why? so she's pulling lower. your bernie sanders who's winning, but you can't have him on the show. you can't do the man. i have to go to a hard break here. we're going to jump in here. we're going to go have a hard break, and after that heart rate, we'll continue our discussion states. the,

the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense key and the best most i'll send, send the, send the system to progress be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russia to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the services for stephen twist, which is the

welcome match across dr. all things are considered. i'm peters. well, this is a home addition to remind you were discussing some real news, the george in budapest year in the last new cycle we had other senate rejects congressional powers over nato, article 5, and it was a vote of it losing 16 to 83. we entered the pro 1st part of the program, talking about the democratic process. now we're talking about dressing. that constitution is in someone else's. another country is security needs trends, the security needs of the united states and part of the constitution. that exactly is a bit of a brass bull hasn't bade the prop uh,

democratic observation that, you know, optical 5 of the knows that bands are treated does not trump the us cost to use the decisions about going to will i'm determined by congress and by the us present the not determined by nature, but this is where, you know, the american, the political elite is of no, no, no, you know, we, we got this guys that we have to be binding on optical 5 is binding on us because we were told many times the article vibe doesn't say that you automatically go for walks, but even when you look at the north atlantic treaty good makes clear that you're only other obligated to go to war in circumstances as long as your in conformity with 0 nations laws and the constitution and so it's the same except theme in the north atlantic treaty, except that every nation has to follow its own laws and its own constitution. but

it is a measure of how spa america is the generated because there was a time when there was senators who expressed discomfort with the united states joining nato, the senate, those who are expressing discomforts over the expansion of major the was a debate. i mean, wasn't much of a debate, but the list of what's on the debates in the ninety's about expanding nato. now, i mean, other than rand, full and even he is been rather weak. but the other than rampal, there's no one was a pay where the him, his, the america, you dragging of the americans into. yeah, well, in judge georgia, in our podcast to discuss the great length with article one of the treaty is, which has never mentioned meaning, don't books always refer a resort to diplomatic means to resolve the conflict between what is there,

what is the reason why i brought this up in it's something a trend that i have been observing for a long time. you're in lisbon. you're in portugal. and uh, you know, we've seen how v e. u is subsumed itself to nato because, you know, it breaks it, you know, the, the, the case a back door back into europe is really a european union. but when it's assumed under nato and the what's called versus just codified exactly the same thing. i got you, i found this article on anti war dot com. i mean, i didn't see it in the main street. i would have missed it completely if i hadn't gone to alternative media claim. well, you're, i think you're hitting the nail on the head, which is what? well, george did to is what, what is happening to united states. you're literally, you're literally taking away american sovereignty and you're turning it over to this global on elected body. and it really gets you off the hook, we're seeing it at the world economic forum level, we're seeing at the world health organization level. so the, you know, under

a pandemic treaty, what happens? well, the united states government is irrelevant. it's this on elected body that gets to decide with the future of these countries. and i think this is, i know there's all this chatter and talk about this unit polar order versus a multi polar order. but i really think it is actually, this is the, this is the future, this is the debate right now. do we want to give up sovereignty to these large organizations that do not have the interest of the sovereign powers at heart and the individual countries, whether it's in netherlands and having other farmers, you know, lots of their, you know, thousands of farms because of something that is drawn up in brussels or the united states pandemic policy is something that's drawn up by the world health organization. or why are we sending so many billions of dollars into this cauldron that's destroying the united states. but all of these questions are not being asked by people in washington dc. you're right, ran paul, maybe the only one that was asking that question and then he's even bent over and

allowed these things to pass. oh there's no, there's no audit of the amount of money we're sending there. yeah, i asked for it. well i guess i didn't get it. okay, i won't hold it up anymore. let's just push it through. so weak is a great way to describe it, and it's really, really troubling the sentence rejection. you know, this constitution over the, over this i, i'm really what i'm really worried about where we go from here. and how much will you see the, the united states senate just had to finally announce that we're no longer at warner rack. after 20 years we, we have to literally, when we even announce a war, when did we actually actually put when did congress approve the war? this is somebody who it is it. but with the recent vote in and go to george right now they will, they will they even refuse to a, from the constitution physics showing. yeah. they don't affirm the parameters and the sovereignty, but can use that word of the come see if they refuse to do that. that's

extraordinary. so never happened in almost the past quite a while quite strongly. i remember a few days ago, they also had a vote, and it was, i think, some congressmen who had a stipulate as a condition of more money for ukraine, that the by them is ration come to congress and explain each strategy. what is it trying to achieve? and if that doesn't come and explain what he's trying to achieve, then they'll be no more money. and that was opposed also voted out. so you can, you elected politicians who presumably are elected in order to oversee the patropolis spending over the taxpayers money saying, don't mamma we, we don't want to do that yet. you don't have to come to us. you don't have to explain how your, how you're spending all money. and that's the same thing with the old and that are we, we don't want to do it. we trust you, you, that all this money it is, you know, 100000000000 do 100000000000. who knows how much money is, but yeah, it's whole being spent perfectly appropriately. do we do with the tool they need an

audit of donald from businesses in new york city? yes. that that's exactly. yeah. that's the most important stuff. right? yes. yeah. the yeah. that, that, that, that's really important, but what you're doing with taxpayers money i, you just go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. you know, clinton, one of the things that i find really bothers and that we shouldn't be surprised is that we will all of this. remember the drumbeat to war and the rack and the same strategy is being used even though the new york said we lose our less of the watch deal. we weren't or less. we, you know, we won't be, we won't fall for this again. but they are because the b, u. nato is phone is a supposed to be a defense of military organization so that you'd be talking about geo political positioning and security. but they just plan to send to that into a, a, a crusade, a crusade of the west. you mounted joseph browse, you know, the garden, they know all of this year. it is, the security is really kind of an after thought here because, you know,

the whole idea of security during the cold war in the sense is being the visibility of security for all we are no longer in that. we, we, you know, we, we got untethered from that, okay. and, and as long as we're untethered from that, we're going to be living at a time to be in tennis insecurity. you know, by the way, facing, is watching. and that's a great point. it's a question i've asked for years when people would say to me, well this is for you when you hear the rhetoric from george w bush and, and all of them. and dick cheney and others, this is making a safer that by going into a rack. you know, tie a yellow ribbon around a tree and in america, this is making us the safer. i mean, my brother was in baghdad. so during the gulf war, and i mean how, how we see for how is our security improved here in the united states by invading and destabilizing the middle east. like please explain that to me. i'd love to hear how that works. how are american troops in syria stealing syrian oil,

providing security for the united states, and then shipping it to a rack? how i was sending hundreds of billions of dollars into ukraine, making people in iowa safer? please explain. i would love to hear how these break the site now can even go further. how is it actually helping ukraine? george? i mean, to be a, you know, i've done my program. you know, you, oh, well, um we, they, us should stay in a rack and i've always, it didn't, we help them and, you know, we should stop helping these people as they, as these lead say, because the more a that is being sent to do you find along with the board, the more people dying in the smaller you brain gets if it's absolutely the, you know, in x or it will cause and effect. that the more money that pulls in, the more native they get, the more a countries destroyed. i mean, what's happened, the ukraine, i mean is just the risk, but what happens the syria?

i mean, it will not happen. have obama not going on with this brilliant idea to affect regime change? you know, i saw months ago before that, oh, got out the months ago, you know, look what has happened in the, in libya look, was having a 0 and then it goes in that same wonderful year in 2011. and they said, you know, they had the sali and human most goes, although haven't got that war in yemen has been guys up to the total devastation of the country. of the country certainly hasn't done anything for the united states, but it's just the distorted the many, you know, i'm obviously go back to one of the george w bush's wars. and this is really the legacy of nature. and even even going beyond what was, i mean the impact that he's had in this then you're a little the divisiveness and you know, they, they, he's the area that's over well many countries easier, but you don't basically have had quite a peaceful life. it wasn't,

there wasn't many of the ethnic complex, the they, they are terrible political bitten. this will, does now emerged in a country out in bulk area and romania molto. but all of that is, is effect the is an effect of a us and they do expansion. yeah. you know, the, george dave who are really good letting me a menu of failed, of foreign policy became changed the claim, where we really have one minute left here. but the different, there's a big difference. this time you go to the, the u. s. is leading the collective west against a new killer power called brush it that's bit different. don't you think one minute? absolutely. it is. and i think you're, you're witnessing why they're continuing to push for, you know, saying well, no nuclear power, nuclear weapons that's off the table. so we're running up against this wall. okay, so then we're gonna play underneath that nuclear threshold. we're going to play our little game in our little garden, expanding nato, and all of these additional countries. and funneling as much money as we can to the expansion of nato. and we're saying we're out of weapons now. i'll continue,

we're out of weapons. so you know what, we need to ramp up on a war footing. you heard this in britain, you heard this last week in washington. we need to go to a war footing. now. what does that mean while we're out of weapons now? so we need to expand within these parameters, more javelins, more patriot missiles, more jets, expansion expansion expansion. what happened to natal being a defensive organization? yeah. well, a at the expense of health care and education in the border security and all of that claim. it was wonderful having you on and what i think my guests in lisbon and in budapest and one's like our viewers for watching us here are the see next time, remember, prospect was the, [000:00:00;00]

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