a good few wasn't bose to manage the situation and monitor individuals causing disturbances in the city traffic restrictions with lift it in the early morning once the weather conditions have improved and as we can observe behind me, the vehicle movement has resumed to its regular state. the residence of 2 a quarter are deeply apprehensive about these protests which have stirred warranties and executives, simone with them. the political tension has escalated significantly due to the forceful statements issued by arab goodies and to command policies. these positions have existed bated and intensified the confrontation developed in the following. the tragic incident, the 3 citizens being killed and saw has been set on fire. sort of c r t by level political observer morero's. all hi dee dee says protests broke out because of perceived injustice in the region with some groups be coming radicalized as a result. and it's, i'm both the house return. of course, this far. it just did the political cnn code. cook is a natural ride guaranteed by the constitution and the policy law,

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thanks so much for coming on. as i was saying, who was taught benjamin. he came on the show and i did try that. he's testified in congress about immigration. he came to us. doesn't need that many more immigrants sort of feel. but he certainly said, look, uh, you know, if it's full, that's what, that's what those one less immigration, natural thing about. it's just the law and the fact we, the united states needs more or fewer immigrants is by the, by all these are legal immigrants are coming and this is the biggest crisis. what do you think when i hear those, those sources sense of minutes and statements? i, i really think to, you know, there's in the united states, there's pretty powerful forces that are still are more of the fortification more and very, and, you know, i guess the, the time to use an anti immigrant. right. but the, the,

or against the idea of the people crossing in the united states and those, those sorts of arguments. the argument that you just laid out is, is definitely say coming straight from that, that's what i need, at least that goes when i, when i hear those sorts of already. so you degree, which i'm in saying that it is the was born of christ and you as well in a crisis in us history just from a different perspective that though i hesitate to use the word crisis, the word crisis is used quite a bit with a border, it's always become a little bit cliche. this is a to say the least, the way that the word crisis is use a slap in years. oh there's people just coming over the border and it's a k i n as in and uh, we have to put this down. but the, if i were to argue it was a crisis my, the, the perspective that i would take would be of that, of looking at it from another angle. it's more of a crisis. you could say

a militarization of crisis of the place that looks unrecognizable really from what it did 25 years ago or 30 years ago. if you were to follow the last 3 decades and how expensive lead borders in florida by good militarized, and that, and really focusing on different cities and towns that are on the border and some of the walls and plenty of towers, including the orbital stations. and there's some places on the border where you see more border control, then you do local residents, right? and then the kind of consequences you see and the consequences are there are many consequences that could be 2 really important ones. one is the, the kind of strategy that the, the, the, the border, or the military base on the board or how it's been deployed. the strategies been

through what's called prevention through the insurance. and that to go into this too long. but the whole idea simply is to florida by certain areas of the border with that for people to circumvent and go through places like the arizona desert and i live in arizona and every year and this year is no exception. people crossing the border di because they can't carry not water or not food. and the other part of it is local residency goes out to local residents in arizona and uh, go to el paso, that is a barto at the new mexico to the orlando, california. and you will hear people complaining about border patrol, set points, you'll hear people talking about the home invasions the people at the border patrol coming into their homes. yeah, i wanna, i wanna get, let's take a yes or episode in south arizona. i know you're in arizona or in a moment, and i want to get to uh, some denials of that from the us administration from joe biden. and the,

from the administrators that i have to see is saying this. i'm going on the run quite a bit lately. given the 10s of billions of dollars of us public money is going to fund the weapon sent to ukraine. and we don't giving investment advice here. but if anyone would you read your many books on the border? a clearly, there a particular come companies, defense companies, arms companies, making masses of money out of this border in inverted commas. border crisis, which companies are the ones the people should invest in. know which are obviously making a lot of money out of this and what they say i'll give me is echoed through mainstream media. think tanks, policy makers and academic institutions. yeah, this is i think i could get some investment advice right here because of the border industry as a growing industry has been a growing industry, particularly since 9 elevens, particularly since 2001. and i have great hop right reports

looking at the different companies that then that are the top product tiers of, of the top contractors we should say they're getting but on the, on the us mexico border particularly. but i want to stress that these contractors are, you know, not only unders um, us mexico border, but around the world in different order areas. most of them are our names that probably your viewers little find familiar like lockheed martin as one of a very big contract working with a fixed wing aircraft to the us border patrol. you have northrop grumman, which is another big military contractor who this company has died in contracts around biometrics or they're developing a new biometric system known as hearts. and that's the future when you're looking at that sort of thing. you're looking at iris recognition based. so recognition,

so, you know, the sort of advanced database is that, you know, store people's information. uh, that sort of thing. and those are just 2 companies. there's a lot of different companies, there's companies or smaller companies of that. okay. i mean, obviously the, obviously they, they will say they abide by the 4th amendment of the us constitution. and all of them would say they're merely trying to make things a safer to enforce u. s. law and u. s. customs and border protection says, guided by the highest ethical and moral principles and exhibiting the highest level of professional responsibility. c. p. cbp. the costs of the board of protection for its employees drive every day to maintain the public trusted and still the confidence of the communities we serve and put checked. that's what they say, that's a great public. that's a great public relations line. i'm sure that's, you know, that that's exactly what you would expect to hear from customs and border protection

. you wouldn't expect them to talk about, you know, the different sorts of things that go on the part of the people dying coming across the border. but those that, of course, that's, that's, that's the, the line that, that we often receive directly from the causes of birth or attraction. but i want to say that that's sort of why goes way beyond that. it's in washington as well. i like you can see it embedded in terminology used around the border like border security. border security is a term that's used a very often. yeah, it's a word that if you start to unpack it and see what it really means and see does, does this border florida vacation, tremendous board or part of the case and create security for peace? no, definitely have for people crossing the border. subst insurance policy is about people being but it's a more insecure or even more all situations. and definitely not necessarily secure for people living along the border to who are complaining more and more of the

increased border control evidence. so what is the word security? what is this border security? i think there were there questions that that needs to be asked about how the sort of public relations line is. the service terminology that goes on question and unpacked, and then subsequently they need to then unpack that terminology. let's see what this border security thing is. let's see what kind of impacts it has on people. let's look at the money like the, the knowledge of the money that's put into the bar is know. like when i talked about this for years and years and years around the you guys, it is amazing. how do people actually know that the, the, the dramatic increases the budget split towards the board. okay. well, that's not so it's on a to trillion level that fast. can this done to the war? and i've kind of style yet, but i suppose what and perhaps staff can. this individual meant that some corporations thought this was a way of importing prophets back to the homeland after the defeat of the united

states in afghanistan. but given immigrants disproportionately want to work, why would corporations be lobbying on k street against more immigrants? i mean, clearly the defense contract is have a interest in this border midsize. suppose you might put it up and use that to be able to profit tier by all this border infrastructure. but generally, surely corporations will be saying, we want more immigrants because they need desperately workers to fill all the vacant to the jobs in the united states. yes, sir. yeah. so yours, so you will find, well, i wouldn't handle lobbying like when a homeland security budget comes up. you will see all these contractors, they'll go in behind closed doors or lobby, you know, all the, keep all the appropriations committees and that sort of thing. and, you know, just see, like if you look at the chamber of commerce or you look at other,

you know, sectors where the interest, you know, you'll, you'll, you'll see lobbying for more of the comprehensive integration reform that would include, you know, bringing in more people whose corporation depends on legal immigration right now. right? us. right, right. yeah. so you mean someone that might be with my go under if they, when do the legal immigrate a that could very well happen on that state of alabama when they put out that law. maybe it was 10 years ago, it was a sort of, you know, papers please law on which they were going to go after all, and documented people in there in the state and know, and there's some really good reporting of what happened after everyone left. like lots of undocumented workers left the state of alabama and the sort of state of lot the agribusiness in adver industry in alabama during that time. i mean,

his job item being was 25000000000 dollar give away a public funds to enforce the border as a, as they call it the largest the ever versus trump, who's still every uh, i mean, if he's allowed to run a given the us authorities attacking your leading opposition either in the united states, which is biting worse than trump as regards the treatment of those seeking a better life than seeking asylum. or is there any the, the budget for 2023? it was actually 29000000000. 29000000000. if you look at customs and border protection and immigration and customs enforcement, which this is the jump from approximately 25, just 16000000000. so 229000000000 was almost the amount that trump spent in his thoughtful though the increase during the full 4 years of the trump

administration. so looking at budget slight, you look at right, right. what i like to as a journalist, i like to look at, there's rhetoric and then there's no hard numbers and budgets it was really happening. and if you look at what's been going on with the ministers in the budgets are increasing, they're not taking down if they're not taking down even with all the critique of the, the big wall, the trunk was building during his administration. they're not taking down that law is that they, they, we, i, i work for on, i looked on the board to kind of believe it out a piece, looking at how the buy in this section is actually quote unquote, filling in the gaps of the law. in other words, continuing to the law, but not only that they, they, they, but they are looking at more putting more type of technology, surveillance technology on the border. and you can see the kind of increases of budget and this kind of creation of

a virtual or technological border that's happening under biden. so it's, it's instead of the heavy rider at the, we're going to stop people from crossing the border. that sort of thing that you got under saw with, with this building of this law with bite and you have a lot less of that sort of rhetoric, anti immigrant. right. right. much more. they're much more quiet about it. there's much more of a humanitarian language in which it's narrated, yet at the same time, the same exact border enforcement apparatus is in place. in fact, it's getting bolstered and they are in the same sort of impacts are happening on people crossing the border and people living in the borderlands. so what is the difference, right? well, the dog miller, i'll tell you, well biden's, as in boy i do, i'll stop you that more from the co hosts of the board to chronicle bought gus and order a bill. bridges not was after this break, the

museums are important for preserving our history. so that it is a loss to future generations. but our fiscal museums, placing themselves a relic of the past, this is one of the best museums in the world, the testing st. petersburg to help rusty is the director here and i bet he has met the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the co host of the board, the chronicle of pulse cost and order of build bridges. not was a joy need to a world without food is told. miller told us saying, hey, about one that the biden is a maybe worse and trump when it comes to the pain and misery of the immigration situation on your southern board is biting, said the in january of this year i said congress, a comprehensive piece of legislation that will complete the oval. what is being a broken immigration system for a long time cracking down on illegal immigration,

strengthening legal immigration. and then ex, flagged off the the g o p for not helping him out on his big plans. i mean, that's what, that's what he says. and, you know, even says people come to america for a whole lot of reasons to seek new opportunity. and what is the strongest economy in the world? can't blame them. one thing to do is they flee oppression. there's. there's a great job i'm running for 20. $24.00 is normally nation at the primaries. well that's good. can pay something, right. that's what it sounds like to me. how do you square? so yeah, you don't, i mean, is you probably could go back and i have to go back to steve as i've seen in here, hillary clinton said the same thing once he was running rock obama things, i mean, not exactly the same thing, but it's, but it's very similar things like we are going to bolster legal immigration and, and cut down on a legal immigration and, you know, those,

those sorts of really does the same thing that just spends are the same sort of sentences that spin around and in a circle. and they just keep being repeated and repeated as, as, as i get again, the budgets just keep going, getting higher and higher and higher. and, and, and i, it, it helps abide and how, you know, considerably that trump was right before. and because the kind of media scrutiny that he's going to get on the border is considerably less. and given that it scrutiny the trunk got. but nothing really fundamentally has changed except for. i do want to say one thing that differentiates i buy them from a trunk and i'm in a fairly major ways of rhetoric and the way that the rhetoric hands on and flames of, you know, different sort of groups are different constituencies. and particularly,

we're on the us mexico border. we have a problem with melissa groups that will go down and control the border on their own . so in other words, we can expect far right villages to increase if trump is re elected the president. and, but news is arguably, but then given the did the media representations well if that corporate own and obviously they, they get their funds that perhaps through a network that involves some of these military companies. but given that connection, then between the sources of the immigration, as he said, does by and said they free oppression. and we know he was bite and was vice president during the interventions and hazy libya so on under obama. do you think it should be priced in when they do the intervention? so, i mean, the media should say as a, to the, the wars should say, obviously there will be this extra cost given the immigrants that will then come from afghanistan and libya, iraq, syria, i mean, going back further,

rather than haiti, then venezuela to el salvador, nicaragua, you name it as well they, they, oh man, it's interesting to us look at how the media depicts people coming to the border and i'm talking mainly, you know, the corporate media. i it's, it's almost as if people come out of a complete vacuum, like nothing has happened before that for them to arrive at the united states border. and um, and they just, they getting out of just what you are mentioning. you know that the, unless interventions, they have the united states has had military interventions throughout latin america over the centuries, military interventions. and i would argue economic ones as well. and the sort of at the nomic um neo liberal economic model that stand, strangle hold it or clamped upon on places like water mol, on el salvador,

in dominican republic. and you name it. and where us companies that will go and get used to labor in different places around latin america and the caribbean. those sorts of that sort of quote unquote invasion, right? this, this sort of, all companies can cross borders, how military is also can cross borders. and star wars, see people go and pay people miserable. re wages, take over lands, take over people's water sources. um, not cemented climate aspects, which we can talk about as well. right? here, joe, less than the news room covering the board of crisis as, as it's cold. i, it's a little note out as we approach the 2024 election as we get closer to it, we're going to hear more more about the border. i mean, surely they know that the journalists know, i mean, i know that a lot of them just go, it's a dictator in latin america, that's why they're playing them. but they also know all of these other ideas and the historical ideas behind it. don't say as to why there are hundreds of thousands

of people going across. oh, there's exit, go to their song every day. certainly, every amazing how and how i feel like there's a certain amount of talking ways that are regards it dated on lace in central america. it's violence, right? you just say, oh, there is violence in central america of the game problem. and that's, it is left at that. and then that leads no sort of ability to, to analyze the situation from a perspective of us store and policy, which in my view needs to happen. so it's a win win for these defense companies because they can involve themselves and interventions and setting up governments in latin america. and then they wind profits from the refugees fleeing the misery and violence at the other end. i tell me about this to whom no doubt tried because it sounds to arizona this horrific

good buddy. confident he was showing re me as math here. short on the 18th of may, a tribal member of the toner, ohio down tribe. shocked by the customs and border protection, police, i'm away from that actual case. what, how emblematic is it of, uh, the whole idea of the idea of a border. in any case, the fact the tribal native americans are being shot by border police really in their own country in the united states. yeah. what is it? i mean, their minds a, emilio rese jones is that the honor hers, but called violent borders, where he is the book is about how borders implicit and borders are violence. and that the case of right in my, to us on that bottom nation and it is located actually a southern arizona is the size of the state of connecticut. anyone is wondering how big it was and it borders on mexico that you should keep in mind that the ancestral

adults on go deep and in mexico. um, so it's a border cross them and, and was imposed upon awesome the. so the, what happened was really my g s is one of the worst cases of that because we have the body counseling has to be able to see it. right. and you know, what we hear about internationally is a wonderful multi cultural consciousness. is in the united states, under the job, i do ministration, celebrating diversity, all of these native americans and you know, completely separate to what anyone would say as regards emblematic killings by board of forces. how does the military cultural industrial complex play into all of this? whether it be hollywood and cultural ideas, the direct sport it into naturally saying come here because look, everyone's free and wonderful with wonderful standards of living in the united states. versus also this, this,

the united states that has these tribes because they do, you know, people and have heard of to own or them drive in south arizona, which you say is so big and those of what land they lost. yeah. it's, it's, it's the, because the way the border is the big data, culturally often a weight in the order is almost as, as, as it's empty space or that nobody lives there. or it's just a place where people are crossing or it's a place where it lives as violence happening just because there and the fact that, you know, indigenous people live along the border. of course they do like the, the, the bar, the border itself was a colonial process. that the imposition of the border was a prost many inches or this territory is included in the bottom. but basically, this will be in the run up to 2024 election wants to be being discussed. the issue of the concept of the us southern border, it will be hard to keep immigrants out,

presumably as that's a. i mean that's what it's trending towards. it doesn't seem like the ministration rhetorically. when they 1st took office, they were very much about or we're going to stop this. we're going to do this. we're going to stop. bill won't build one more for a while. and while so, like some different, different little pilot policies have been shifted, it's almost the same and, and the rhetoric has now shifted to we're going to a band and that's what trump was doing. some more of it seems like the by a ministration is responding to this idea that, that they think that the public storage want more border florida vacation and will probably take, you know, that sort of line which, which will imply that kind of status quote of the border on which means receipt, bolstering it,

which means the same companies that are talking about will still be in their contracts, which means will be heading towards even more technological borders, as well as surveillance cameras and drones. and they're talking about usually these which are on man ground vehicles on the biometric systems that those sorts of the deck like having states or recognition cameras attached to drones or unmanned aerial vehicles. the ones that black are in the works or at least they're, they're experimenting with them. and so i can just see that, you know, as we go into 2024, i don't see any sort of radical home shift of like by the administration saying we're going to do something drastically different on the border. i hope i'm wrong about that. i hope there's more pressure for them to reconsider some of their positions, but practically speaking. that's but i think that's where i think they will go talk

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