mid september, including hundreds of thousands of innocent children who will be left hungry. the flight of palestine. refugees who are already enduring. immense hardships will be intensified to the point of an unprecedented catastrophe. several of them as asians including arab julie, some of the vine courtesy and one assigned to the dresser, and the warning was loud and clear more than a 1000000 people risk getting hungry. if the requested help doesn't arrive, i was destination shortly. 3 out of every full pass and it was in the gaza receive aid from the un relief. i don't. what's agency which is in charge of distributing the food. the action comes off of the nation itself with yet another set by when the will program reduce its assistance to $200000.00 people due to a lack of funding me for with gauze, i think the tank founder of my siobhan, who insists the american support is always politicized. we lost all the time,

not to the size of the he was just because people are in need should not be punished by any, but it's going to stand. but unfortunately, but at this time they are using the phone typically, well, most of the time to say it available because i didn't. and those to me and also to the sales for the test page this brooklyn has this situation. some of those times, remember when the business best went to the land, asking for, i'm in the shop for them to see other states. the american is still the funds to the best deal for the good sense. not only to or so the american supple done in the financial support to the been standing and people under, but as seen in as little as all of us combined with the can agenda as well. last off of this new though, as it was, it was great to have your company here on, on the i'm on

the the the hello and welcome to cross dog were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, gives western backers had high hopes for ukraine, celebrated counter offensive. but alas, they were just hopes and illusions. the cruel reality of the ground demonstrates that nato and to live in a world of magical thinking. and ukraine is paying the price, the

cross fucking ukraine's fate. i'm joining by my guess, carla nixon in washington. he is a political analyst in columbus. we have missed the winston. she is a political activist, as well as host of the miss the winston show on t and t radio ad. in paris we crossed the way to mars than she is a syndicated columnist and a party contributor across stock rolls in effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. let's go to miss the 1st and columbus. i just came back from vacation though i'm one of the last person that i talked to on this program was you. so we're kind of filling up the gap here. missing, is it a time for kids? western backers to start eating pro? i mean, i went through an article, a few articles yesterday of all the, you know, this months ago is a success is assured, you know, the break through the lines of russians have no morel. the equipment is from the 19 sixteen's, you know all of that garbage that we've been reading and now we have a very different reality and it's pretty hard even the western media is beginning to say, oh it's looking all a little problem. matic, of course are trying to put

a spin on it, but i mean, it's about time they start putting of a lens of reality on this here because it's only prolonging a a conflict. the ukraine has no possibility of winning miss they. yeah, you're absolutely right. the problem is i don't think that they're going to do that . i mean, i've seen that play out so many times. i mean, it took what 20 years for people to admit that iraq was a bad idea. so it's unlikely that that's going to happen. i think, as you just said, there's going to be a lot of spend put on this situation. they're going to try to uh, you know, make it as pretty as possible while also trying to save as much space as possible. i just, i don't know that we're going to see the kind of a crow eating, but you think that there needs to be. i think that there is a far too much narcissism in far too much pride involved in that situation was a very good point though rachel. one thing you can't hide, though is public opinion. uh, cnn recently had a whole 55 percent of those polled do not want more money being said ukraine,

germany is starting to the industrialized inflation remains high and european politics. the politicians are facing elections. those are realities you can ignore, they're not realities that you can actually put a spin on. yeah, i agree with misty that i don't think they're going to pull a player on this anytime soon. and for the 2 reasons that she cited the ego and the fact that they've put so much effort into this already, that they're not willing to let it go. but more than that, it always comes down to money. so money to the military, industrial complex is what they're getting out of this. and it's just this excuse to launder tax payer money for the us government to longer talks here, money from pockets of tax payers into the military defense industrial complex. and what's happening is they're able to, you know, put all this money into these weapons makers under the guise of helping you crane. and i don't think that's going and any time soon. and it's really interesting is the new talking point that i'm seeing over and over again, not only from top washington figures, but also from you know,

the national dogs online. so that whole online bought for data. and we've heard it from senator lindsey graham. we've heard it from the front office lady and senator hillary clinton. we've heard it from senator richard limits, also people who have been in washington a really long time and give you an idea of what's being said behind the scenes. and the talking point that keeps coming out is what a bargain. this is what a great deal the us is getting there, asking us to go in and do anything. we're just, we're just getting all these billions but you are yes. under sense. you know, there's no body bag effect here for the us. we're, we're getting a real bargain either this and, and, you know, the average person is obviously saying, well, why is all this money going to ukraine? and that's the push back. that's what they're trying to play on now to sell it to people. no, no, no, you really don't understand. you might see billions going out the door or into the military industrial complex. you might be asking, you know, why are things such a disaster in the us? why are we not spending that money here? and the reality is you don't get it, you don't get it,

you guys are too stupid. you understand the way we understand things. and here in washington, and we're telling you, it's a great deal. we're getting a great deal. they are fighting the russians for has that's literally what lindsey graham said. he, he said, you know, russians are dying and we're not having to do it. that's a great thing. so i think we're going to see more of that as the poll start to show more a more that although there is support in the us among the us people for and ukrainians, and for ukraine don't really understand exactly how to support them. but they liked the idea of supporting them at the same time. they're tired of seeing this money go out the door on this week. we know the talking point. i think we're going to see more more justified. yeah, this thing is going, yeah, i mean, that's a cold come for a garland for the craniums. i mean, again, you know, we can, we can talk about the military mass, the financial math, economic math. but we can talk about human math to garland. they're just running out of people. i mean, there's a certain in everett ability to this here. rachel is absolutely right. and missy is

to say, you know, you can have all these talking points, but it doesn't change the political and military math on the ground in ukraine, garland. yeah, but i think to understand the mentality of the neo cons one need only look at the collapse of afghanistan. there was an infamous conversation. we're in jo, body and was talking to ash ralph gunny who was in the puppet leader of afghanistan . and donnie basically said to him, look, the tyler bond, they are over running all of our positions, everything's falling apart, this thing is crashing. and joe biden said to them, and we need to make, maintain the perception, even if it's not true, that you know, things are going well, blah, blah, blah. so even when they knew that their proxies lapse, they just said, let's just lie. and that's just maintain the narrative. and next thing, you know, people are dangling off the fuselage of a c 130 trying to get out of cobble airport. that's the way they do things. they don't have the emotional tools necessary to have the motivation to live in the real

world. so what they're going to do is maintain the narrative as long as they can. and then when it falls apart, they will deal with it me and you know, i guess my gosh ralph gunny zalinski and his true if they're alive, we'll try to get out of a, out of the country with as much money as they can steal. you know, i'm glad you brought that up. he'll miss the, it's a he'll be up until like, 15 minutes ago. you couldn't really talk about corruption in ukraine. which curiously, before the complex started, that is the only thing people talked about ukraine. so now it's back on the agenda . it is kind of a get out of jail free card in my opinion, and looking down the line, you know, as the ones he wishes to croak after all like gone e. okay, but i'm glad that the garland brought that up, but it's interesting that you know, we're doing it on the cheap and, and of course ukraine is very, very corrupt. it's very interesting commingling of narratives, misty. it really is, and it's very interesting to watch this play out and watch the way that the narrative managers are selling the story in the way that they're kind of dancing

that are on that line where they are trying to encourage continued support from the american public for the conflict in ukraine while also trying to maintain their ability to sort of walk things back as it goes to our as it is, as anybody who's been paying attention. she knew that it would. and so, as rachel said, you know, that we have this situation where all of these, this is not, she said this is not a one off. we have multiple different, high level officials who were talking about, you know, this is a great deal for us. no americans are dying, but what they're not talking about is an entire generation of mostly ukrainian men is being sacrificed on the altar of western imperialism. and nobody's really talking about that. and it's, as you just mentioned, we're now starting to see conversations crop back up about the corruption from zelinski. and that's always been the case that has always been, as you said, that this is something that was widely covered prior to the conflict broke out. and so now that they're starting to bring that narrative back, it looks as if they're trying to set the stage for, you know, winding this thing down, because i think that the goal was never us going to san said many years ago about

afghanistan. the goal is not a successful war. the goal is, unless we're in the bid, the, the whole point of the situation in ukraine was not for ukraine to beat russia. everybody knew that that was not going to happen. the goal was to use ukraine to try to we can rush out both economically and militarily and so we are trying to get whatever we can, whatever bank for the, our buck that we can in doing that. and then we will, uh, you know, very gracefully walk ourselves out of this situation and blame it on its own entity . well, rachel, i think i've already set on this program. the, the, the ultimate spin is, however, this is revolt. i resolved, the russians didn't make it to paris. we won a yeah, well, i mean, there also has the negative parents, but the u. s. has basically decimated the european economy and what ended up happening is that you, all of us here in europe are wondering k um we had cheap russian gas coming in. we weren't at war with russia. europe has

a very different relationship with russia than the us does. in fact, one of the reasons the e u, the european union was created in the 1st place was to be a more competitive entity against the us on the global stage. and ultimately, what's ended up happening now is with this, the north stream pipeline being blown up by the way that's being played on ukraine . now in case you haven't noticed in the process, we're seeing and intelligence officials saying, you know, you can probably do that. how, how convenient that is. and so that goes into what you're saying with respect to, you know, that whole narrative around corruption. oh yeah. they also blow up pipelines. and so if you're going to blame anyone, blame them, there's no real investigation happening. nobody really wants to know what happened there. they're afraid of, you know, what they might find. i think um, but ultimately what's happened is europe is trading that cheap. russian gas for super expensive american liquefied natural gas at $34.00 times as an annual net called the french presence at the market price of what's being paid in the us. the

prices of skyrocketed for everything to the point where germany, the economic engine of your can't either afford to make fertilizer. so what's the doing? importing $300.00. 36. i think it is percent more from russia. so in other words, instead of making these things itself with cheap rushing, guess they are importing the, the end product from russia in the meantime. or they've also boosted russian liquefied natural gas and drugs. it's right by 40 percent in e compared to 2021. so ultimately they're doing all this versus the going saying, you know, look, we're sticking, it's a lot area. so it easy because we stopped buying russian energy and yet there's sneaky to in the back door. so all of this is just to make sure a, it's all just to appease the average person who doesn't scratch. they need the surface to figure out what's really going on. and it's just been a disaster for the average person here in europe. and instead of being dependent on

russian gas, which of us constantly was saying, and browsing in europe not to not to be doing. we're now completely dependent or over dependent on american liquefied natural gas. it's even more expensive than wells, no end in sight. yeah, well we're relying on razor power, solar power, but that's not ready for primetime. yeah. but with, with friends like the united states, the europeans don't need any friends it's, it's really, it's truly extraordinary. and i mean, i've all often said, you know, we will need future psychologists to explain it, not historians. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue. our discussion on ukraine state. stay with are the, [000:00:00;00]

the russian states. never as one of the most sense community most i'll send some of the same assistance to far must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will bend in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia, routing and split the sports net keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you say stephen twisted? chat the,

the welcome make the cross sac. were all things are considered? i'm peter le belcher mind. you were discussing ukraine's fate. the . okay, let's go back to the island in washington. i'm so far in this problem. we have talked about different narratives and different spins and i think a really important one to, to take a look at which western media and refuses to acknowledge or try to a accept a different way of understanding how this conflict is being conducted. but keep talking about a square meters of land or how much they, you know, they picked up. so you creating a right of this village of 47 people. okay. moving forward. but see, that's a total misunderstanding of what's going on here at the very, very beginning. and a lot of people didn't understand it and they still don't the rush, it said it had to atems in this complex demilitarization and the knots vacation. now, what does that mean?

it means destroying ukraine's military that is being done. as matter fact, it is already been done because now it is a nato military and then the knots vacation. that's code. and i think it to me is very clear to me. it's raising change, they don't want these people in power here. they don't want an anti rush on their border inside of a military alliance against moscow. so, you know, looking at the counter offensive, looking at square meters and all of this, you know, a, a land bridge. all that, it's all quite. and it's called nonsensical because if you understood it from the russian point of view, then you would say, yeah, we have to need it. we need to start negotiating, but they won't do that garland the right. because if they discuss it from the perspective of the russians claims, if a, a, if they discuss it from the see, i mean, the rest of russia's aims then will expose the reality of what's going on here. remember, they're saying that russia, that fruit and isn't made man, and he wants to expand in the soviet empire and take everything back over. but he's

heading for the english channel if we don't stop permits, etc. so they have from that perspective, they have to discuss this through the means of territory pollutant once more territory. so we're going to discuss territory if you discuss it through the lens of the military threat. that is, that it's being suppressed that, that, uh, ukraine presents via a proxy army. then that exposes that. russia is, sees a military threat and they're addressing a military threat. so they have to discuss it through the land of, of taking more land. they are, therefore, they can say, put and wants to take more land, and it doesn't take them back to a discussion of rushes rush it. the reason russia is addressing the military abilities of ukraine is because that's what they see as a threat is high. and so i think that, that, that's the bottom line of that 12 missing garland is absolutely right, because you can, then we have this a symmetrical understanding. what's going on? garland, sorry, it's about security and, you know, folks, i, i don't want to sound like a broken record,

but december 17th before the start of the complex. that's what russia said. we want to talk about security and the state department blew it off. okay, and they didn't take it seriously for ukraine because now with this is where we are . it's all about security and anyone that says that is a toady of the kremlin. that is just that, that's maniacal thinking, misty. yeah, you're absolutely right. and it's not even been just since december, it was a, this has been for years one year and brush row has been warning the west and nato. for years. we've been expanding data closer and closer to them against the problems of is that we made to not do so. and so i think that russia has been in, you know, and people like do it as the guidelines that like to claim that he's some crazy, maniacal madman who just woke up one day and decided to invade ukraine because he was in a bad mood or something that's just completely nonsensical and a not at all in reality. what he has done here is been warning for years that he is

concerned about as you decide the security of his country and off his borders. and data was continued to process even further and further. and so this is something that he has been warning us about for a very long time. i think in my opinion, he's been incredibly patient and dealing with this. and it is always been about, in my opinion, for him and for the, for the, for the country a brush that's always been about security. and so the idea that, again, it's that narrative, right? it's not narrative management. that's then they have to create this kind of comic book villing on a volume or putting in order to justify the conflict that we are in and out. we are in that we are enabling and in fact that we provoked, this is not an unprovoked war. this is absolutely provoked, but it was provoked by with the western data not by water put in and rush out. and so again, i think it's all that narrative spent. it's the way that they have to sell the store in order to manufacture consent, especially from the american public who is very war weary. i think they have to find ways of selling it in order to be able to be able to push that narrative and, and get that, that kind of support it. rachel missed the use the term. uh, a cartoon figure. well, there's a cartoon figure in,

in french politics. his name is, is out of cosy. he actually did an interview, which was very interesting. by the way, i agreed with him on many points for varying, for do i a put it this way? he was right about a lot of things for the wrong reasons, but nonetheless, he did say something that was uh along the lines of what darwin it must be of already said, security and pan. your opinion, security needs to be discussed. of course, he was destroyed in the public for his interview. go ahead. rachel. the right phone, refresh, present, and stuff was he just had a book come out in which he explained some of the decisions they made while he was president of france. um, up until just before the console on so i 2012 and he what's interesting about him is he's not going to back down from his positions. he's very, very confident, politician. he knows these files really well. he also has the ability, which many western leaders don't anymore,

and that's the ability to see things pragmatically through the lens of somebody else's point of view. in other words, he can look at the issue of ukraine and see why it is a problem for russian president vladimir putin. he can see why the president russia would have the need or the interest to defend russian interests. now it seems like all france and the rest of europe and the united states can do is see everything through the lens of this us with western agenda and to you know, to the point of all this kilometer counseling i, it's actually pretty funny. it's like the new cobit case counting before counting the number of kilometers that shift back and forth along that skirmish line. we were counting the number of cases where people really have no idea what any of this means. they don't know the size of the old last we're talking about and which these kilometers are kind of shifting back and forth. it really means nothing. i mean, it's anecdotal and, and yet it's, it's then again, like just like the corporate case count, i guess the latest example is you know, the weather max here in europe. what temperature is going to be today and will be

color purple, or which means we're the world's about to blow up, or will it be color color, dark, orange, you know, 20 years ago the same temperatures were colored, maybe yellow. but i mean, that's just, it's simple things and use simple minds and unfortunately that's, you know, we're in this kind of horse race mentality, type of society. everybody thinks they're watching a super bowl game and, and they're reading for their team and it's just a lot more complicated than that and stuff because the somebody who understood as that. and i think he's a little bit dismayed at what's become of critical thinking with western society. yeah, it's a girl and i agree with complete with with rachel said there, i mean, i'm not the biggest fan it was out of cozy. and when he was present and but rachel was absolutely right. i mean a much of what he had to say was pragmatic. but for reasons that i would disagree with him, i want more more topic before we, we are in the show here, grow and another narrative that is being spewed out their chair and all the time is

a nature of postwar ukraine. and i find this hope. so bizarre is like, ok, number one will be here who grade? if there is your grade level, it looked like where, who will populated school want to return to it? it will be in economic basket case. if it doesn't have any access to the see, i mean, what are these people talking about, or are they fundraising? darlin? it's a big part of the discussion of postwar ukraine. if you look at what's going on with what's happening right now with countries such as black rock, a company such as black rock, you know, buying out parts of west and ukraine trying to figure out what will be left is to figure out how they can do to ukraine, what they try to do to rush it in the 1990 is that the ultimate goal is to go in and pick the bones of the whatever is left uh, whatever meat is left on the, on the carpets of ukraine. these vultures want to go in and they want to pick the vote. and so the real discussion of post were ukraine is the neo liberal discussion of going into a country and taking everything in any and everything that's left. they don't

really care about ukraine. the discussion is, you know, what can we get out of this? how can we get our company in the countries in that, and how can we make sure that we keep somebody like zelinski in charge? that will facilitate the wholesale transfer of all assets in all available methods of making money in ukraine into the hands of these western corporations. yeah, mostly, i think the hunter biden has a lot of free time. maybe he can do some painting and yeah. okay, see it apparently have some kind of affinity with ukraine as a matter of fact, the whole buying a family has an affinity with you guys? mostly. so would you be investing money in postwar ukraine? no, it'll only take you less that. that's even a conversation that we're having, frankly, the idea that 1st of all, that there's going to be, if you set a post were ukraine's there may not even be want it. and especially given the fact that we're now shipping off depleted uranium and it costs are munitions. i mean, that's going to be causing, wreaking havoc in the country for decades to come. and so it, and frankly, i think it's, you know, as board galloway pointed out on twitter, i think you know,

that the, uh, the u. k. is claiming that they're going to funds of rebuilding of ukraine. they haven't even rebuilt greenville tower. those people are still this place. i mean, and in this situation, we have a united states, a china, and now we is completely obliterated. it has been just destroyed by this fire, this region wildfire. and so the idea that we are pledging to rebuild the country that we are responsible for destroying when we don't even take care of our own, we don't even rebuild our own it's, it's a, that's something that's always frustrating me about this conflict is that i'm expected to believe that we actually care about the people of ukraine, when frankly, we don't even care about the people of our own country. that's very true, rachel. we have one more minute, go ahead and finish it all for us to what mr was saying there. i think if they struck oil under green cell tower, i think there be a whole lot of interesting with marriage. so i think it comes down to that. okay, well, i mean, rachel, i mean the, the, it just kind of objectifying ukraine. i mean, it's not a, it's

a place where people can find west theaters can find on a map. and they, they have no understanding of geo politics is it's never part of the conversation. and so really what you're saying is that once the country is destroyed, then the, then it's up to the western tax payers to rebuild it. go ahead 30 seconds. rachel, as i say, i like to say that is it summer's the best time here in paris because all the frontier gone. i think they might be taking the same kind of way with ukraine. maybe ukraine without ukrainians. is the ideal situation for them? because that way they don't have to really deal with anyone when it comes to exploiting resources. and this is all this is about. and then they can do what they want with respect to rushes border. and they don't have to pretend that, you know, they're cooperating with anybody over there. they can just use is a free for all and, and, and the host for the state department that it's been for years now. yep, that's exec. and that's why, you know, it's, it's very, it's a very sad faith. no, i'm no matter how you cut it up or ukraine and the cranium people. that's all the

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