to europe from the block c, m, those, those silos. so do you think that present or, or the one might mix some inroads in trying to get the deal that was struck to be implement legacy because you see my you know, whether the media has created the nipple. this talk in view of the whole problem. we've got to get back. hasn't even says out that the hardly any where the things of that by i'd rather not to go. that might be coffee there. there's that there was nothing that back to is not been bagley. what the main thing is that the rector said that you'll give us the pause facing the piece of with data from mr. and then we'll be back the i do agree what the deal is. yeah. but the they are not because the and then everybody knows that they use that. are you in the from the you in so

to that is the one that the medicaid is not the meaning to nip swift the us read back. it also falls back. yeah. so, so this is the issue which affect fertilizers, getting our yeah, as well, should the 2 african countries know that the embedded gallery is that the in you green, the green is mostly belong. so the best, some companies that it's a good point. yeah. as well as a so, so they one big green out and another issues that say, we'll actually talk about a little bit later in the, in the today. but there was a talk that i joined consensus has not been a read upon those final remarks at by the g 20. just finally on this. that's what the issue was. but they had been saying that there wasn't going to be agreement because western countries wanted to talk about ukraine and hummer that

and russian, china was saying that we've, we, we, we need to talk about what the g 20 is, is there for the issues that india has put forward on the table, but a consensus seems to have been agreed upon. are you surprised little? i'm not sure because it's 5 minutes or more the has proposed the new formula except built on let us see. and then tomorrow, when you come, because you see there's still some issues there and people already quote, i'm going to development so really gorgeous on taking you to be a go into k or a jordan statement. now, there is one, but the primary is to mostly in his own efforts to bring the se, so some con dentist has given that new formula i think. and basically. and this problem like it was, i think it was discussed by. ready but i mean sedation,

guys in there, i think you named range are they have know that me do it good during meeting with level and that also families to was discussing 2 things. but mid level, i think it would be a very high level diplomacy by prime minister moody. if it turns i'd like that to you know, yeah, yeah. the i is that, that's a no, it's usually a fun thing if it would, could be as a result, personal victory of the prime minister money. but the main thing is, it's a, it's a victory of reason. reason that's, that's quite a nice way to, to, to, to finish this because we are right on a time. but we've loved having you here. thanks for delving into all those issues with us. and we've been speaking to being a at soup left, former press trust of india or p t. i use agency correspondent in russia and political almost as well. we enjoyed chatting. thank you very much. thank you. so there we have, we are edging towards the end of play on day one of the g.

20. at summit 2023. so many new signs will be going through the rama vacations up what the all mean briefing is done. particularly in the global side context that stay with our t international writes right this summer. indeed, right for the weekend. we'll make sure you don't miss the moments that mater as well as that r t dot com at updates by the moment there. keep with us, this is our t bye for now. the the, the good people sometimes do things. they regret,

they make mistakes that result in legal problems and sometimes those legal problems even lead to incarceration. but everybody deserves a fair trial. everybody deserves to face as accusers in a court of law. more often than not, the result is not necessarily desirous. but at the very least, that result might be that the case serves to show the public that the courts are not fair. the process is not fair and a court of law is not necessarily the place to find justice. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 of. 2 2 several years ago, our next guest, rosa serrano was convicted of medicaid fraud in the state of texas. rosa was the owner and sold employee of a small company that made eyeglass lenses. she was accused of overbuilding, medicaid charged with fraud and found guilty at trial. as you might imagine,

there are cases like this across the united states every single day. and they are rarely noteworthy. but this case had it all jurors who couldn't speak or understand english and effective attorneys, questionable jurisdiction, and an incompetent judge who just wanted to get the whole thing over with m. e and rosa was sentenced to 11 years in a woman's prison, but she never stopped protesting her innocence held on fictitious contempt orders transferred to federal court held in county jail unless a plea was arrived at and she decided to do what most whistleblowers do. take her experience and use it as a mantra. she decided to talk about her experience. not just to try to find justice for herself, but to demand justice for those americans who came after her. the american court system is broken and calling it a justice system to many of us is just a bad joke. rosa serrano is here today with us. rosa. thank you so much for joining

us and welcome to the show. thank you for having me, john. i appreciate your time that you're spending on this issue. as i like to say, let's begin at the beginning. when did your troubles start and how did you find yourself in this predicament? oh, they actually began at the end of 2008. when i brought it to the attention to the state that we were being denied a payment on services that were, were required to be rendered. and uh, the stage is best to decide and i kept pursuing it. and that was when the simplest one for the economy that was about to collapse was sent to all parts of the economy . and medicaid received a large portion of it and we didn't receive it as a providers. we did not receive that grant. and i was aware of it because i did, and then i found the graphs that granted that money. i did bill directly to the

state before and we saw an increase on those planes. and that money was never sent to us, even though it was designated for those services. specifically, you appealed your conviction a number of times and were denied not because you didn't have a viable appeal based on the actual innocence. you were denied because the judge said you were time bard, you were non compliant and that you were perhaps appealing in the wrong court. that was ridiculous, of course, but the courts just didn't want to hear it. so you re filed the appeal. what happened next? as well as some things are still pending of the quarter splintered this era. in many cases, i find it surprising, even though i try to keep it as one solid pace for once on that issue is a civil rights of the june being tonight, their federal right under the medicaid act. so there's parts of it that's pending in the supreme court, and i'm hoping that there's a pre call here at this time around. and then there's part still in austin,

and there's still a report here in el paso. but after i finish with all that, it still doesn't, it doesn't produce any outcome as to launch in an investigation. that's the most important part of the conviction is to launch an investigation. and that should go over again to state and state will post it up to federal and we start all over again. so it's, it's an ordeal it's, it's a lengthy, a procedural or deal. and unfortunately, because of this, people are either dying or very sick. and then they need to sunday, you also raised a wide variety of different legal issues, both during your incarceration and after your release. but again, the courts just didn't want to hear it at the same time. you were being denied your medication in prison. the conditions there were very harsh and you were sent to solitary confinement. the 2nd prison finally gave you your medication,

but they took away your eligibility for parole. you complained all the way to the supreme court of the united states. how did you get your parole right back? it. um it is, it gets given to you. uh, after a certain time. uh, it's basically it took me 3 years to get back into b. pearl eligible because of what the, the, the state had done. they had made it so unbearable for me. my heart condition makes it impossible to work where they want me to work where they had there was a new work, even though i played with them that i needed my medication. and at that point, it decided that i was not sick, so they took one medication, and that was even more hardship. and then i just said, you know, i, i can't do this. i can't be doing this because i'm either going to have stroke or die or i'm just going to have to refuse under punishment was put me 3 months, a solitary confinement for that. and then they transferred me over to the other prison and the other present, restore everything once they found out how sick i was. but in the process of doing

that, they stripped away all my time credits. and in doing so, i was denied the right to be released. even though i was, i should have only been a year in confinement. the rule decided that they needed to review, but were you able to take me or before me a little better. so they helped me on longer, and that's ridiculous, you know, no criminal history at all. there's no danger to society. it is continuing, continuing to, to pursue that, you know, that investigation was launched and that's been my fleet to ports. you know, i am actually in a sense all i want is to use attorney to come in and investigate and look at what's being done with medicaid in texas. and unfortunately, if that's happening in texas, it's happening across the nation. and i paid a very significant price for trying to bring this for to the use attorney. and the

courts are not helping me with this at all. and that's that because i've been denied due process. i didn't need to be punished for 3 months because i put a work because i was sick. rowse at one of the things that has struck me about your case is that you have never been given an attorney. even though your constitutional rights guaranteed access to an attorney both at the state and the federal levels, how in the world this happened, and what has been the response from the government and from the courts. they haven't denied that this has happened. so how do they justify it? and they don't justify it. they just push it aside. they don't address the issue. they never can address the issue that oh, there is denial due process because he didn't get an attorney. there is a denial because of due process because he didn't get a hearing required to have a hearing edit attorney and pointed to me if the state to provide one for me and the state did not provide one for me in, in, in an alternative or another action that was united to this medicaid fraud charge

is just oh, past due unfortunately, is very corrupt. you know, the, the, the legal system here is as though it doesn't exist and it's not part of the united states. and that's very surprising. so what they decided to do is it kept on another charge that didn't exist. it was completely superstitious, which is not denied. and they typed that on, but they decided, oh we're, she didn't. so she doesn't need an attorney. she doesn't need to hear you for that . it's absurd and, and i've been pointed this out to the courts and the pushes sidestepped it even though it, they don't deny that i didn't get the attorney, they don't deny it and get a hearing. they just decided not to approach the subject because then that would launch an investigation. and then you know, this is 2 opportunities. you're talking about medicaid funding. you're talking about denial, due process, my personal civil rights claims that were tonight. and that would launch an investigation, and i don't see why it's so difficult for this,

for the question to say, well, just give her a hearing and her attorney and have a hearing and you'll find out whether or not she's worried. and if she isn't, then in the launch and investigation as to what happened and hopefully the results of that is people will start getting their benefits to rosa. thank you for sharing your story with us. but don't go away. we have a lot more to talk about. we're speaking with rosa serrano who serves time in prison in texas and who has continued to fight for her legal rights. as well as for the rights of others. since her release. we're going to take a short break and ask why the court's continued to deny her whistle blower status. please stay tune. 2 2 2 2 2 the 196 the us as i was returning to peaceful life. but the newspapers didn't report

ongoing massacres in the ukrainian ssl, according to intelligence ukrainian nationalist and the ukranian in search of ami said by romano. she'll give each of which way to these atrocities for future best hold at the old school and what, but i senior to sell school a new way to do i to be like this is of course we'll do a new one. obviously the plaintiff was the head of the n, k, v d, sabotage departments of the time. he was tasked with stopping the atrocities in ukraine for good reason, general sort of blonde. it was very familiar with the situation. he had experience finding the nationalist before the war named, loveless to con, get a z, a do it to made. so didn't know, could i e, but it was, well that's funny. so give me the task was tremendously difficult, but suit up a lot that was determined to complete as we have personal accounts. the central, with the ukranian nationalist

the known in vietnam american war, the vietnam war lost it for almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time right now. and then you can just say, now, what is all i'm empty. hundreds of thousands of american troops

who was sent to the country to bank the south vietnamese on me. i got to develop that not meant american soldiers limited resistors. most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and li bye. all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's a ways to go. yeah, the . 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john korea. we're speaking with rosa

serrano about her experience in the texas court system and about her ongoing work to vindicate herself. and to help those texans denied access to medicare and medicaid. thanks again for being with us for us. a good to have you most. one of the things that has come out of your case is the fact that you are a whistle blower on the issue of access to medicare and medicaid. the courts have repeatedly tried to deny you the status of a whistleblower. tell us how you have thought that and about the work that you're doing now is a whistle blower. oh, the only thing i can do with the course is just keep raising the issue. um, they don't deny the fact that i am a whistle blower because they don't save or they don't address the issue in the, in the, in their, in their orders. they just simply don't acknowledge it, but by law that they understand that i do need the definition of it was a bar. i am a was of lower. 5 i continued to be was of lower and i will remain to be a was

a lower even after this investigation of whichever last because i'm not going to let anyone miss use the medication for, for their own personal use. and that's what age hmo. second of this, the thing is it, this, the courts failure to provide me and label we use. it was lower case of large part in the investigation. and that's all i need is an investigation. that's all i'm asking for, investigate, look at what i'm talking about. show you where it's at. here's to prove. here's the evidence. all of it supports that i'm aware supply. i know if you never level music wasn't board, but of course it's insignificant. if you get large and investigation, you need to put an investigation for. and if you decide, oh, well, she is always the floors just detected, ition never been prosecuted. well that subsequent, no, because i mean, i've already been to prison and i've already been punished for something i didn't

do. so it doesn't matter. now whether the label was a floor or not, the only thing is i need the investigation. so people can start getting their benefits. it's that simple. nobody wakes up in the morning and says, today i'm going to be a whistle blower. it just happens. how does it happen for you on this issue? i know that you have worked with children in the past, including providing them with free eyeglasses. is that what made you look into medicaid, especially for children and for the poor? when we were, was it the existing business before of all this started and i've been in, i was in business for 25 years and so i have to close when i became incarcerated. so i've always taken medicaid in, in that sense, but medicaid expanded its programs. so then i start, i was able to advertise and assist for children. but then when this happened, that there were retaliate, even removing contracts as 9 claims and under pain claims. in lena, this little,

the games that they were playing just fine excuses not to take claims and accusing me twice of fraud. and i cleared that, you know, twice except for this 3rd time because i was legally contained without an attorney without a hearing in jail and to our 3 guilty elect started not to. and that's where i ended up in prison for that reason. but the kids i would always attend to kids and focus on the kids, you know, and this is probably from 2007 up to 2014. that was the majority of the kids that i did help under the program because at that point we just were of our contract, our funding was just totally ending in that part of and unfortunately, you know, parents would come in and replace their i were with us because we did also advertising of medicaid does provide fee, prevent eyeglasses, and then after that,

if the child breaks them or use them or scratches or breaks up, they're entitled to another pair. and the possible, the idea of the glass is for the child to wear them, so they're gonna be able to see and be able to academically progress. we're hoping that that, that's the reason why the child is not, is unable to progress and academically with just a simple resolution as a pair of glasses. so, you know, depending on my funding and plus not getting paid from from medicaid because of because i was, i was, i've spoken about the services that be being denied, but i still providing them, you know, i, i was having to turn people away. but i did, one child came up to me, you know, pretty sad and, and her mom said, well, hurt. she broke her glasses and i explained to her that i wasn't able to offer her anymore services because the contract had been pulled and my funds have been for 3

to 3 days. and i told her i would charge you a minimal fee to replace the frame because that was what's broken. and we could re insert the lenses into the frame and see if that will be sufficient. and so she said she was willing to do that because anybody else will charger, something ridiculous. and so i said okay, fine we, we went ahead and did that. the next day the child comes in, she puts on her glasses and she turns to her mom, she goes, mom, i can see no. and after that i just say i need to keep going forward. you know, as trivial. it is a pair of glasses. if they did this with the i were, you know, it was the use attorney investigates how much more damage of the done to these children. what has been the response, whether by the courts, by law enforcement, or by the media to you revelations, about medicaid. i know that fox news in el paso, texas briefly took an interest. but what about everybody else? everybody else has been waiting for the b a or c, a mass, or a teachers to come in and say, you know, we've, we've discovered,

or the use attorney. we've discovered some fraud and we've investigated and found that, you know, services were being denied to the children. but other than that, providing you evidence to the, to the media is showing them exactly where the file was call, you know, and they simply were saying, we're just, we're larry about this because it's just too big of a story number. we don't know that the f b, i hasn't taken an interest and when i went to the f b, i is just ridiculous what their proceedings are and procedures are about these kind of planes this, you know, the super bowl to the state, the state of oceans not happy with the reimbursement rate and you know, even though i point out to, to be honest with the contracts, this is the services i have to provide under the contract under federal law. and i'm not getting paid for it. but yet the contract says i am going to get paid for it. and this specifically new rate. if the know you know, the claims and the procedures that i'm going to pay for and they don't do it,

they decide that they've just been a withhold payment for the exact amount that supposedly they and now they're going to pay, but they don't. and the, you know, the difference is, is a disparity between what the state pays and what the age hmo pays is about a $1225.00 difference that they've pocket that the age hmo keeps big, big. this is the sir. this is for services that had been paid for the child to receive is not something that the issue most entitled to that's a misconception about medicaid and this is a misconception that texas has about is that oh it's okay. we have a contract with the age, you know, the age hmo can pretty much decide what claims that they're going to pay and not pay at what rate and you know, and that's what the medicaid expansion does. it prevents that and texas doesn't have that unfortunately. so until texas does that, the agents are going to continue to manipulate medicaid. and that's very

unfortunate because the people who suffer are the children you have not received any assistance from whistleblower organizations. this is a 3 part question. first. where do you intend to go next? second, would you do it all over again? and finally, what advice would you give to somebody considering blowing the whistle while being under law enforcement's microscope? yes or indemnity pursuing? it even is even when i'm pray, even when the investigation is ever done and successfully and determines that there is fraud and things, i will always be an advocate for medicaid because it's essential. i i, i did this for years, john, i saw the children girl, you know, i saw for him how it affected a pair of glasses is trivial as it was for just a simple pair of glasses. uh, i saw how it was an impact in their life. so i, my journey has no,

it's not going to and just be by doing this a reading this as a, what's the floor, is this going to be something that i'm going to continue to do through the ports to i get a resolution. and, you know, hopefully reach out to the use attorney or the user trying to reach out to me and say, here's a proof. you know, what, what other evidence do you need? and you know, if they, they can see that with the glasses, they need to look into the hospitals, the doctors, the clinics, the labs everywhere else where this money got displaced. this been going on since 2008. we're talking about 15 years of production. 15 years of losses for texas, we're not talking a few 1000000 to a few $1000000.00. are talking billions of dollars have been lost for texas residents. and that's very unfortunate. you know, where i do it again. yes. because i saw what the children

went through without the tasks and i saw how an impact was for them when, when i was able to help them through those ears and i saw them. oh, so you, you see that the investment, you see that the, the growth of the child and how they developed, you know, and they did academically well in school. rosa serrano, thank you so much for joining us. and thank you to our viewers. i'd like to leave you with the words of the great author ts eliot, who said, quote, every moment as a fresh beginning on quote, along with the immortal words of st. francis of assisi who told us start by doing what's necessary, then do what's possible. and suddenly you're doing the impossible. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry echo. we'll see you next time. 2 2 2 2 the. 2

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