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a former us missile defense agency consultants, and current deputy director of national operations with us task force on national and homeland security david pine. david, thanks so much for coming on before i gets to the war. uh, can i just ask you, because uh, obviously everyone's looking at the tragedy in hawaii, so many people killed the west fires and so on. already, e m. p. you might have to explain what the m b is, is suspected by someone, the social media and so for so for giving away at the law, just alarm system in the world. and that happens to affect to the poor is the area of molly, a poor area holding out against property spinky lights is up. any johnson with the m p. notice is whatsoever um electromagnet for having an issue. yes. electra of magnetic pulse on those there are weapons that don't cause any kinetic or physical damage. they only cause damage to electronics. i think the conspiracy

theories are more focused on directed energy weapons, space based lasers, perhaps by russia or china. but you have to see any evidence of that that, that those bathroom was responsible for these devastating fires in now we uh where i, if i personally vacation many times, oh well, i basically put that to, to, to arrest. and obviously our thoughts with the families. very molly. so um, no, no amount of uh, us trillion dollar weaponry succeeded against the taliban fighters. basically the inc. caves, do you think it's the same prospect in ukraine or will be it with the no direct us soldier? death numbers, obviously thousands of american soldiers died in the us division has got as strong as the billions going to the landscape. i do expect a defeat to, to be coming to have well, i think what i was saying uh for the past almost the past year now is that ukraine

has already, essentially, uh, been disputed on one side. so they're never gonna get there the next territories back, the for you, for a new blast that were an x by russian september. and i've been saving since before the war began, that there was no amount of us military assistance that would enable the ukraine to, to feed rush. no rush of course being a nuclear super power with a 1000. uh warranty for the weapons that they knew. great, great, of course not having any um you know, p 35 times larger with an um, an economy 11 times bigger the population over 5 times larger as well. with about 5 times as many takes a comment aircraft in or artillery systems. so you, this one has only one end and that's what they do negotiating table, the best case a piece we can, we can obtain it for you, prayed right now would be created. so arms disagreement along the current line of control. but i fear that the longer you great weights to agree to that arm is

disagreement. the more territory russia will succeed in capturing from ukraine following the failure of the current camera offensive. oh, totally, that's and all of the view of add to the blinking his day to bob and the natural ensure and security app or rages or any military analyst invited on the programs and abc, nbc, cbs news, etc. and come to think of it. i made those wildfire as a new why you $700.00 a hawaiian was one byte and was offering any the same day, gave $200000000.00 extra to zalinski. so what do you mean this money is just not gonna help things as well? yeah, i mean it's a, it's a real scandal by, by the courses, happiness, massive bribery scandal which i e. and as his son hunter accepted 10 new $10000000.00 from a b corrupt ukrainian president. company in exchange for um you don't forgetting the prosecutor fired and we believe, you know, conservative. so there's

a lot of evidence that suggests that binds decision to provide almost $200000000000.80 grade is primarily big uh do. in fact, uh, you know, to kind of maintain is, is, uh, is profitable family business and, you know, it's, it's an absolutely disgrace and it sort of ukrainians more than anything. i mean, ukraine has been the biggest loser, kawar with the probably 200000 rating and soldiers killed. perhaps $25000.00 civilians interface destroyed or they've lost 3 percent of their, their population. 30 percent of their gdp and in russia is nothing we can. it remains very strong, both militarily new comically. while i'm live your opinion, you know, a person which doesn't have a free press, the united states as a 1st amendment. why is it the american public seem to have been supposing, jo biden's view about the war and still in contrast to what you're saying? i mean, in the united states, people have seen

a job. i even talk about firing. the prosecutors will allege these, their own screen talking about is so, i mean, why the american public against what you're saying as well, they're not actually, uh, basically they been turning around public opinion against the war, 71 percent of republicans now post any additional assistance do you agree with the humanitarian assistance as well as 55 percent of americans overall. so i think the truth is coming out through this liberal mainstream media block a lot of the truth and you know, they say it's been said in war. a truth is the 1st casualty of war, and that's, that's been true, and every major warrant us, as far as, as world war wanted it. and it's true. and most other countries as well, including the reprint. well, joe biden obviously denies all wrong doing. and if you look at those us state department and why it has briefings, they just don't, or they sort of turn away when they hear any questions about on to biden's problems,

explain to me as a whole, the military man how it's possible for the united states to run out of ammunition which amidst its supplying of the billions of dollars of us public money to zalinski. so yeah, since the cold war ended, of course, we pursue this non surgical policy of globalization and outsourcing. where we purchase a lot of our final weapon, systems, rare earth, and even even some munitions from other countries. and at the same time of us, defense industry has been consolidated. whereas during world war 2, we had perhaps, as many as a dozen heavy emulation manufacturers, you know, it's now just down to a, to a few. and perhaps even one in the case of 155 millimeter or heavy artillery production . and as you are likely aware, and you know, we ship the, uh,

this massive amount of us weapons, rockets, missiles, and munitions. to you, great inquiry about a 4400000 heavy artillery rounds at the expense of the us military. we've been weakening, usually unilaterally disarming the u. s. military to help you raise like this never ending and on one of a war against the russian federation. and i think that's a huge defeat for us national security. able to watch our interview with the pentagon official jack spinning you, what are the spinning report? he testified in congress about defense procurement, but i mean a having, luckily, isn't going to invade you seriously saying, put the united states can defend itself militarily on the land based artillery based war. even though it spends more than the top. but however many countries in the world put together in terms of defense spending, well, no, i wouldn't do this for i. what i would say is, it is the one is greater than to say,

but any white and weird russian russia in china when a work is russia, edward china. and certainly, i think we could defend a successfully goes other nations attack. yes. or how does all this defense, but i mean, given that you were rockwell uh, basically a rate for you on subsidiary at some point. um collins aerospace, how does it work? i mean, right now, presumably, uh, you'd expect congressman, to be having lunch in washington with the defense contract is i don't know how. how does it work with it's all wheel base factories. they're producing munitions, visit lensky. we will help you get the vote. you mean? because the vote was near unanimous in congress for sending all this money to ukraine. i mean, it's your own infrastructure problems. um well i, i will say that i'm not a believer in the military industrial complex. i don't believe, you know, large defense contractors here in the us or in the process. so you know,

trying to lobby members of congress for more. certainly they profit for more. but i don't think that they're major players or really have any political impact whatsoever in, in either starting wars or, or even continue if you are in the military industrial complex. so tell us how it works because you are in there, you know, working there for rates, going to have city rates you on making a lot of money out of this. went on advertising it to share investors. but given the united states always has been a trillion dollars, maybe in the forever wars, and is now spent. what 160000000 i'm had. i don't know what the latest figures on the amount of money poured into the oven into the landscape as well. what are you creating resources about a 196000000000? i think you're in the us. uh, you know, this figure is perhaps 117. but i think that's a much understanding of the actual military direct military assistance that we've given to ukraine is arrest and authorized to give you. credit is about 53000000000

. so most of that assistance is a financial argument here you manage area and a replacing you, us weapon stocks of that type of assistance. but as i said, i don't think that, you know, there is a going to read us through a complex. i don't think that's really the threat. i think the threat is the, the state, the war monitors of the neo conservatives and the liberals of buying them is ratio of course is lined by atlanta's us that believe nato is the be all and all of us national security. the very core is known of national security and so they, they are a bit pushing to, to push a need. so i need those boundaries eastward into ukraine and they've been unwilling to compromise on that. and as we know, you know, president viner b, a, russia basically stated that it's the us with nearly commit to never expand data all into ukraine. you wouldn't have to be

a stop. i need to evade you brain on the 1st place. so this is a completely unnecessary war on the part of the western powers, the can you see why what you're saying sounds just like russian talking points. i mean, why do you think bill buns, the head of the c. i a former ambassador to moscow? kind of intimated what you just said there has gone quiet. well, i think he's a captive member of dividing the restriction, you know, in, in his, his silence has been very profitable for him because he, he a c, i, director, was elevated to the of the by and cabinet to see i see i director traditionally is not a member of it's on a cabinet, a level of position, the director of national intelligence is. and so i think he, so i think has been muscle, but i think behind the scenes we, we are aware of a, of a binding piece off with it was given to the russian federation, back in january, which they, they basically offer to, to let russia keep all of its, uh, uh, concrete in the next the premium territory,

but they would not concede on the issue of ukraine membership and data. now that is a immensely foolish decision because we could make that guarantee without any cost whatsoever to us national security. it's an open c for the ukraine will never join data, or the problem is, is that ukraine became in 2021. it's a fact, a member of nato with the us, a new brain of security, a partnership with brain, david fine, i'll stop you this little from the deputy director of the national operations for the us task force on natural in homeland security. after this break, the the,

there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. if the case of the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon, this is the 3rd world lunacy re washer. as for so the funder lion likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so let me, let me on my have a very quick propaganda. you know a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions,

you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is will be the welcome back to going on the right. now i'm still here with one of us missile defense agency consulting, involvement, international analyst for the us office in the sector of defense david pine, david j. you were talking in uh, one about the possible piece agreement. people have heard about bar as johnson being sent in the form of a disgrace, to prime minister beings any to break and destroy the peace deal. and now tens of thousands of ukrainians. the lives of being lost. how do you characterize the washington press corps? actually, given that we're not really hearing anything about the piece deal. i mean, even though booting brandished a piece of paper recently showing that the, the craniums are interested in that. the steel before billions more of us tax pay a public money was put into key of as well. i think good, fortunately,

uh the uh, the mainstream media here in united states and you can, other western countries have become really, uh, uh, nothing more than an outlet for war propaganda. and uh, certainly, i think that's true to a true and you crated to a lesser extent in russia as well. as i said, the truth is the 1st casualty of war. uh, but uh, yeah, we know from a 4 fingers article and fiona, by fiona hill. just the last september, i believe that there was this piece agreement was a tentative piece agreement between, between russia and ukraine. it was signed or around march 31st and assemble and you know, eyes and following all of those piece negotiations with great interest. and you know, there was a limited coverage in the western press. we just didn't have all the details. but according to fiona hill, the details were essentially that russia, we would draw all of its troops from ukraine, from, from most of ukraine, perhaps the need about 93.6 percent of you. crazy reward control

territory excluding of the dos region. in an exchange you program and layer yes, of course that we keep premier russian we keep from you. and, and, you know, you frame when to disarm to a limited extent, but would still retain a, you know, a large, a large army well armed army, and would have security guarantees by the western powers to continue our country to resume armina in the event of a resurrection, aggression, but i would have to do so as, as a, you know, permanently neutral power outside of the lights. okay. well, they've successfully kept that away. all that and use away from the scary masses. certainly done a better job. i agree to be a good be in nearby and union in the united kingdom in the united states. so what have you written about the council of foreign relations? richard has a long time. richard has the member of that meeting with the lever of charles coach

and from the council was on ushio just recently of the council of foreign relations and said, may be autumn. now could be opening for some kind of negotiation. what's your understanding? because if you watched circle made through media, which is waiting for this so called counter events over to a suit succeed. yeah, i, as i said, uh uh, you know, the ukraine's uh counter offensive is i feel badly. uh, you know, it gets prepared or russian or fine defenses. and um, you know, that the casualties that they've been suffering to have been massive. you know, we really just can't believe you know, how great those casualties are with russia, but separate comparative list casualties. and we, for, you know, it's, it's really hard to pin down the by and destruction because they, you know, kind of been all over the place. but for the most part, they essentially subordinated russia, security policy. uh, you know,

us russian policy to, up to you, crated, as always, is, uh, you know, he is not a member craddick leader and he's a, what a hot uh, he's trying been trying to get us and nato into a direct shooting world with russia and knowing that, that is the appraisal we offer, we gain of the, their last territories in the for an x regions of loss it as well as the crime. yeah. really they have, they have no real hope of getting and i do think uh, i am hopeful and optimistic that we will uh, support uh, or pressure ukraine to begin these piece docs. hopefully in the fall or no later by the end of the end of the year following the, the final lenders of this failed counter offensive. you know, the by administrator would reject that and say actually we'd be an absolutely unified behind, behind. so in the a narrative which uh,

given the soviet union when the war against the nazis, their narrative, the by narrative is the booty. and it's, i'm kind of hippa and this is of you know, but i mean, under the radar they don't, they did the north stream according to see more judge, the, by the ministration to be an absolute just about this. it believes that they will annihilate the concept of russia, whether it be a, in terms of a nation state, whether it beans, culture, because of course, in your books and music and so forth to be in band. and they are going to actually get raise the concept of what russia is for set. and i'm sure if you go around the cafe is of washington and maryland virginia. you'll hear us state department to personnel say the same. the yeah, i mean the, the goal is that the maximus objectives that divide ministration is expressed for their proxy work is rushing. you great. have been really observed. i mean,

you can't, you can't win a war with the troops on the ground. we don't have a single combat soldier on the ground. at least, at least, that's what we were being told. you know, we know that there's probably a 200 to 300 us troops and c. i a intelligence officers operate and ukraine. but that's not enough to win a more, you know, so uh the us has demonstrated conclusively that it's not willing to defend you creating notes early and yet it says that, you know, the, we, at some point you probably will be admitted to a video alliance and i and i think that's just a far since it's never going to happen. it's a big dream and we need to come to reality and support. it was also for our offices and, and i think this kind of goes back to where to go. she ations by kaplan and, and others, you know, is, is really the right way to, to go go and, uh, and i think they're pursuing that the right to the right terms with the, we've costs for an armistice. and we just actually freeze the conflict in place

just as we did in korea. you know, we're technically at work when china, north korea here in the us. and yet we haven't had any major fighting since 1953. so i think i can each even it can, it can be achieved without nato troops on the ground and ukraine on the, on the other hand, as you've written about this, you said in the past few weeks, joe, biting the and as, as biden's justice department looks to imprisoning of cause the opposition need a drum in announce mobilization of u. s. military's in spite of operation atlantic was uh, what is that? i mean, is he seriously thinking uh to change what you've just been describing? what, what's the total water is button? what does, what did he mean by that sudden announcement in the past few weeks. so of course, uh you, there was to build the summit. uh, really, i think it was july 11th through thereabouts. and build this and uh, zillow, you know, we create a president of all the mirrors. look, uh, zalinski was very angry. and, and, you know, disappointed that, uh,

there was no, uh, uh, concrete path or timeline for you for your membership. and, you know, as i say, it goes as kind of a, uh, you know, to try to appease, um, uh, essentially what finally agreed to as to what's the build up to this 300000 troops . you know, rapids deployment force in europe. not all of which of course would be deployed in eastern europe, but uh, just to rev up us troop deployments to europe in general. and perhaps we would deploy another $50000.00 troops. and i think that's really, really foolish. we shouldn't have any groups in eastern europe. we never should've had any troops in eastern europe. and i think uh, you know, the, the right course of action is to pursue some kind of mutual security agreements, such as being offered to us and nato in december of 2021. the terms of which were mostly favorable to the us from a national security perspective. wait. so showing the families of the $300000.00

service people that concerns are going to be asking. who is the president of the united states, joe biden, or is it lensky? well i think that's, that's absolutely right. uh, you know, uh, i was asked uh back in may of last year on another video interview. um, you know, if, if i thought the list gate was bind spotlight or us pop and i said no, i think it's, i didn't find as accurate as a piece of let's these pop it. so why would you do that? well, i think uh, you know, i think buying in the democrat party or the us to pay that themselves into the corner of vilified. as you said, there's some kind of new hitler and in russia is a new nazi germany or soviet union. and so, you know, we, when you, you like, why so, so, so often infrequently, sometimes you begin to leave in your own propaganda and i, and i think it's really hard for them to get out from that. because, you know,

if you, if you, uh, you know, people use it as a hitler, uh, bent on domination of uh, at least eastern europe, not just ukraine. falsely without any facts. then it makes it very difficult for you to compromise with taylor, you know, and uh, you know, the whole crazy, neo conservatives are there. and as of we must not a peas, hitler, we must not appease other dictators, you know, comes into play, which is just absolutely foolish. and it's the worst. so, reality, we're not gonna use it at all by declaring armistice. we don't even have to, you know, to recognize has annexations of, uh, you created territory. we can simply say we recognize russians as back to control over the for an x territory. so we recognize pry, media is part of russia and, you know, and we can do it, we can split it as well and not just for, for russian, but for the us the parade as well. exactly, and i mean,

he had the courage to and the can this done more? so, why possibly con, the spin dogs is in the white as and we, i mean, now that even cnn bowls shows the most of the american public doesn't favor even more cash being paid into the landscapes bank accounts. i mean, does, he doesn't, is we have something on, on buying because daily, strategically, the united states. i mean, not your last probably with the united states and come through this and start to forward. sure. alliances in this new world we live in as well. i think it's absolutely possible, zaleski does have all the proof of the direct proof of, of buying bribery. he likely has access to the dates from the ukraine in a little darker. and they had former head of a c o, a prisoner. so that's absolutely a possibility. we know that other foreign leaders, you've been proud, you know, the chinese certainly, and perhaps the premiums as well have been compromising material on, on

a president bind and non real bonds help with all of that is this is, i mean, you know, we don't, we don't innocent about the u. s. foreign policy. someone tries to blackmail your elected president of the united states have means and ways and pieces of dealing with leaders who do that. i think there has to be the courage and will power for us leaders to do something about that. i mean, i'm of the opinion of it by insurance, by been removed from office, you know, last year the latest, certainly openness that ukraine tobacco, which has not been a previous so devastating for the debris, people, ukraine that don't deserve this for an a war that is not under their interest whatsoever, but we just don't have that person. we don't have a vice president, obviously, a small harris. this is not a personal courage. she's not unlimited courage. she's not going to stand against a bite and is this disgrace and is treasury or you know,

accepting these $1000000.00. multimillion dollar drives from, from a project for leaders. and we don't have a, you know, other political leaders in the buying cabinet. so we're going to take decisive action to save american the world from an unnecessary potential world war. yeah, binding denies all of that. and of course, the state department's entire west exec, authentic and consulting, the former consultants, they deny that it's any conflict of interest. how did you some of these actually worked at a rate viewing subsidiary gal and the ukraine national security and defense council blacklist. then what have you done? well, obviously, you know, all of my work is, is a purely private. it does. it reflected on any of you are rushing and spine is, i would say i have a petri, i'm a flag waving patriot before we're us during the comment officer by served. and you're dependent on it on us army headquarters, staff as

a country desk officer, both for the former soviet union in eastern europe in the middle east. and, you know, i know what i'm talking about and i know it's in the us interest. i'm or a for policy realist in it, but of course everything that i've said and done everything i've written instead on interviews is my own personal. it doesn't reflect a us government, you know, i have no employee with us. government doesn't reflect any of the use of any other uh, you know, previous employers as well. david pine. thank you. and that's it for the final show this season. we'll be back with a brand new episode on monday, the 25th of september. but until then, we'll be broadcasting some of your favorite shows of this series. meanwhile, you can keep in touch 5 whole social media if it's not sense, said in your country and had to have channel going on. the run tv on normal dot com to what's new and old episodes of going underground. see very soon the

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