the, the so i want to share a number with you a number that is having a devastating effect on mexico and much of latin america. we hear a lot about cartels of the gun violence perpetrated in countries like on doris. and you know, the media here in america seem to almost they almost look like they're enjoying when they portray everything that's south of texas as out of control and dangerous and violent, if not downright apocalyptic. it's an apology. you know, allegedly turned in by call. tell leadership when we arrived here as far as last night, we were told that 12 people that's being killed in the previous 2 days. nobody is safe in the city. so what you just saw there is the image that you get

that's imprinted in your mind when you turn on the news, right? so fine. now let's talk about what you don't get, what you don't get, what you don't get any kind of honest explanation or focus on what me might possibly be causing all over the head flow phillips that they're showing you. so where you're coming from, right? but there's a violence and, and i do the guns just appear out of thin air. obviously the violence can't happen without weapons. so where do those weapons come from? and why are there's so many of them? the answers are actually pretty simple. they come from the us and there are so many because it's making the people who manufacture the guns. lots and lots of money. that's why there's so many money. i mean, we're talking guns and assault rifles that we're talking to high capacity ammunition. people are making this and selling this stuff even in some cases

sophisticated military. so. 7 weaponry that are going directly from our country, the united states of america, to the rest of the americans in mexico, lo and mexico loan. it's estimated that the vast majority as much as 80 percent, 80 percent of the guns used by cartels and the queues criminals originate in the united states. think about that. some estimates by the way, are even higher. that means that our country and more specifically our country's gun makers, manufacture market and export, most of the guns that are used a lot in america to fuel and protect the extremely violent drug running operations . oh, and by the way, what do you think then by them consumes those drugs that come from there?

we do. we know we americans consume the vast majority of illicit drugs grown are manufactured in different parts of the world. in fact, according to the world health organization, right? according to the world health organization, when it comes to co came alone, just coke, right? okay. americans are more apt to consume it, then citizens of any other country on the planet. think about that. so again, here's the equation, we provide the guns that field a business of illicit drugs, and then to boat we can show the drugs that elicit business creates as. so what is being done about this, right? well, something as we speak security forces across at least 15 latin american countries, including mexico and brazil,

and columbia are creating an initiative to try and seize firearms. but because guns from the united states are flooding into the region, it's such a rapid pace. it's almost impossible to stop this river of metal. you know, that's actually what it's called. it's it. yeah, it's called and you look at the articles, it's called the river of metals. river of mo, you say when guns are, sees more guns are needed. and don't think for one minute, but that does it. what a smile on the faces of the gun makers who manufacture them more guns, all they touched. they took the guns off the streets of mexico. good luck said more guns. right? that's what a guess. if you made widgets, you'd be happy, you could make more widgets. if you make guns, you're happy. you can make work. tons. some countries like jamaica, the bahamas saint lucia uh barbados, turn it out in tomato. they have agreed to introduce bands on a solid style weapons, but because they're so close to the united states,

it's still not known if they're going to be able to keep replacement guns out. adding to the problem is this because gun laws in the united states are so liberal, it's hard to control what's going out because of all the travel between the united states and the caribbean. so guns are going back and forth because people are going back and forth and we're very close to the islands in the caribbean, mexico and central america as well. the methods for sticking guns into those countries are also plentiful. first, there are corporate deals between gun makers and those who front for the cartels and other bad actors. and then there's a straw buyers with legal ideas or actually buying for somebody else, but pretending to be buying for themselves. there's also just plain fast. oh and did i mention corruption, police and military officials, many of them working directly through their u. s. contacts, buy and sell their supposedly commission weapons. and then there's the newest way of exporting gun south of the border. they're called goes to guns. have you heard

of this? goes to guns. that's where only parts of the guns are shipped overseas. and then they're assembled when they get to their destination. and we are joined by alejandro lavarrio. he is a legal advisor of mexico's ministry of foreign affairs. and i have the thanks so much for joining us as well. hopefully you hear. hello rick. good. listen i, i just, uh, i read your uh, your editorial that you posted in the washington post. fascinating. you basically say the headline is mexico is tired of us guns, bloodying the streets, but you're taking a step further. you are suing the us gun manufacturers explained it was what you hoped to do with this. so the reality is that, i mean, everybody thinks of mexico is very violent and is very dangerous. but the fact is that where i've seen that united states, there's tens of thousands of places to buy weapons in mexico. there's only one

store managed by the, by the army and it's very difficult to get uh like i carry permission and to own that, go on. and once you've been wired guns everywhere, right. right. um. and they come in around. i think it's on average 70 percent of the web phones are traced back to the united states said this information from the us government. so what is that we want to do is as to whether we don't like what people embodied to afford with a united states. we want the gun industry to be more responsive. we'll be more careful they know or should know where their weapons. and i mean that the not cost on the drug cartels, they show their weapons, you know, social media. yeah. the industry should do something because they know through the possibilities information they should do something to essentially that buy back to us in their line of distribution. i mean, any other industry would recall their product if the product is going to cause harm

. why notes? of course. yeah. then yeah, no, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're basically allowed to almost run a mock. unlike any other expectation, we would put on any other company, would you explain to us so we can better understand what, what is the process. so the gun manufacturers here, look, i know they're incentivized by money. they want to sell as many guns as possible, and they don't really care where they go. if, if it wasn't mexico, we'd be in some other country or anywhere else for that matter up. but what is the process by which the guns are made here and end up in the hands of the car towels and the bad guys and everybody else and mexico? how does that happen? so there's, there's 2 options, specific actions that illustrate what is wrong with the industry that us. one is that they just sell the weapons to anybody. either somebody that wants to appeal children in a kindergarten or drug cartel in mexico or in central america to um,

a gang in haiti, or in jamaica vigils, live anybody by that weapons. and they say it's on a matter of the, the regulations on 2nd them in the, in the us. but as oscar probations, they should be more diligent and more careful on out to the plane themselves and say, you know what, i'm going to ask for example, unlimited love deals, insurance. if you buy the width on your responsible for death whip on, on the and you sell it, is this toy or is the stolen? but what you're asking for is, 1st of all, what you're asking for is common sense. and i'm sure there's a lot of that in my country right now. the 2nd thing that you're doing is you're trying to apply principles to make them apply to your country. when those principles don't really apply in our country. and here's what i'm trying to say. we are always complaining about all the violence and all the immigrants that are coming from mexico. oh my god, those people are out of control. we're the ones who buy the drugs from mexico. we're the ones who give the guns to the people who make the guns and manufacture and run the drugs in mexico. and by the way,

we are as violent or more than mexico is. so you get clean your neighbor's house until you clean your house. that's all we expect, mexico to get it fixed. visa be our laws and our gun situation until we fix our situation. have you thought about that? no, it's a completely true. and what we want to do with this, with this law suits any other corporations, when they're sued, they, they entail arrives directions on say, you know what, they want to make some changes. it goes down, facing this last with, with the fact is that they've gone industry, enjoyed certain immunities from civil liability. so even you've just sold and they just don't make any changes to what we're doing. and we believe we will prevail at the end is you know, what, something and a specifics you're selling to store purchasers. you're selling to people that are not the final user. and you know that because all the trust ability information, when i say to us i, we will see those is the serial number of the weapon. if trace back to the place of

purchase the selling on the place of manufacturing deal. so it isn't that us know who's buying these weapons. they offered this in the u as know, who is selling these with is on this list, which would make the necessary changes to stop these from happening. can you believe that in the united states on the last corner, the elicit trafficking of woodlands, watson, the crime, it was not a crime in federal law and us now. meanwhile, with that, and i've said as with any other company, if, if, if i manufacture children's bicycles and i sell you a bicycle for your daughter and the bicycle is a piece of junk, and it wasn't manufactured? well, none of the screws were tight, and as soon as she gets on it, it goes out of control and she hits into a wall and i don't know, heaven forbid get seriously hurt you. so the company you're guaranteed to when you're gonna, you're gonna, when the case, same thing happens with a person who sells

a gun. there is absolutely absolutely no accountability. it's like it's impossible to hold somebody who makes a gun or sells a gun accountable. while with every other product, they're accountable. so it's not on the road or because weapons are designed to kill harm and destroyed. i mean, they're expected to have higher degree of care. i mean the risk industry and they should do everything in their hands to prevent that their weapons and in the wrong hands, because that the companies that we're showing will say, well, it's not my fault of criminals by the way, up on sunday and a 100 people get involved in the chain and finally kill somebody in mexico. of course your part of the solution i handle, you are uh, you know, doing the right thing. i mean, on behalf of all the people, all the victims, all the children, the horrible situation from a security standpoint in your country. uh, you know, i think you're, you're advocating correctly for the rights of the people of mexico. good for you. i

have though, is the legal advisor of mexico's ministry of foreign affairs. check out is uh, his walk over his uh, washington post editorial. its called mexico is tired of us guns, bloodying our streets and that's why we're suing and, and we thank you for taking time to join us today. thank you. i'll have the thank you to when we come back more on harm as traffic, it's a dilemma that's play the us and mexico and we're going to drill down on it some more. stay right there. the, [000:00:00;00]

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the pay. welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. so as i told you a little while ago, there is actually a new legislation in the united states tries to close some of those loopholes that helped arms trafficking delivery. it's called the safer communities act passed by congress because of all the mass shootings that we see here in the united states. and to generally speaking, if you will allow me don't see in other countries. but in these provisions that were for this, there are also provisions to crack down on those big guns that i told you a little while ago. and other types of disperses. the question is, can it really help to reduce the number of illegal weapons that are flowing south

into the places like mexico and the rest of latin america and the caribbean? and joining me now uh in uh, this episode is uh and i think you have a better. he is a writer, producer historian with a ph. d, and latin american history. so, and he gives a perfect person for us to be talking about this. you know, i, i just have to ask, do you get a feeling the parts of latin america as a bloody violent place where it seems nobody wants to live anymore, which is why they're all coming to the united states and parts beyond. what is it that way because we americans, our beloved country makes it so makes it that way. and i mean, uh, yeah, i guess is the short answer. i mean this is that a lot of that blood comes from the results of civil wars. you know, that have been fueled by washington. so if we look at scale, solve it or for example, where you know about

a 3rd of their population population resides in the united states. that civil war was fueled by $1000000.00 a day being sent by the reagan administration, right? of popular uprising against us, of repressive dictatorship. and then, but then that people like that too. okay, right. but hold on a minute. i get that and i think we all know that, and it's an ugly story, a story. we know all too well. but now in these modern times, the story has shifted and what we seem to be fueling. now according to what i'm seeing is we're actually fueling the cartels, the cartels, 80 percent of the weapons used by the cartels in mexico alone. come from here. and many of the corporations that make those weapons are right there along the coast of texas and on the border with, with mexico. so we are providing the weapons they use to run their business.

yeah, it's like a, it's like a funnel. it's like a shoot coming straight out of uh, whatever ours manufacturing as soon down into, down into 219 and throughout mexico. and yes, i mean, it's incredible. you said 80 percent, the mexican government says it's 90 percent. the 90 percent of the cartels. uh, guns are coming from us arms manufacturers. and so when the united states complains, you know, um, you know, about the, the violence in mexico and how is fueling migration to the united states and how the fentenol, uh, epidemic uh through mexico is even warranting a us invasion of that country. i mean, we've got to start looking at, well, what about these weapons, or do you think it's just a coincidence, or maybe something that happens naturally if the united states, for example,

has crappy laws when it comes to god's. we basically are extremely liberal when it comes to guns, everybody can have them. you can even go to a gun show and buy one without having to register or show a license. anything. it's amazing. so if, if we're going to have rules that liberal here doesn't, it doesn't follow that our neighbors will end up to get, will end up getting the things that will end up with the consequences of our laws and our actions as well. yeah, definitely would make sense. you know, i mean yes, as you say, you know, these, these gun laws are extremely liberal. i mean, you can get a are 15, you know, at a gun show, you know, you get a 17 year old with a fake id. it can buy one, so, you know, take it down to mexico and sell it for twice the price. you know. so the reason i'm asking you is the question is, do the, are the gun manufacturers targeting latin americans say, hey, great market,

let's just go sell a bunch of crap over there. or is it just like well, since it's so easy to sell them and buy of here, what's the difference? so you know, we can cross the border and sell it to my friend pedro and mexico, and then he'll sold to the other folks and the other folks and he'll get it to the cops and the bad guys in the car. i mean, if it, is it a target it effort or, or just a consequence of natural consequences of extremely liberal gum laws as well. i think it's both, you know, i mean, it is a consequence of the liberal gun laws, but at the same time, these are smart people who have a lot of money invested in a lot of money at stake. and they're going to look at their bottom line and say, look, we are, are getting, you know, a whole lot of, they have to know, it's not a secret that a lot of their guns are being traffic south of the border. right? it can't be a secret. and so that's the reality. and especially since some of these countries, mexico has one of the strict this gun laws in the hemisphere. now it's a, virtually impossible to buy

a gun. so if you're just an average citizen in mexico. yeah. and you're never to the impossible to buy a gun. right? yeah. it's, there's like one gun depot. it's owned by the government. you have to go through months and months of background checks. and then you know, to, to be able to get one. and so, of course, all of your cousins are going to come from, you know, a 100 miles more where they're being made and given that like candy. oh, but yeah, but hold on. listen to what you just said, and let's try and get people who are listening to this conversation, to understand how it happens. that because you just told us it's impossible. if you live in mexico to buy a gun, it's just literally almost impossible. and yet the car tells get viewed shipments of all kinds of guns, even military bran weapon re, whatever the hell they want it. how does that happen? will they? yeah, well they're getting it from uh, they're getting it from the us. i mean, i'm saying of 90 percent of the of the guns are coming from the us. you know, so,

so we sort of in there, i mean, i've seen, i've seen the studies we, we store some into contacts, we make contacts. we actually even make contacts with government officials who have been 5. i'm thinking there for the military or for the police and they follow them to their friends who run the card tells. right? yeah, yeah that's that's, that's definitely one way to do it. i think that the major way that it's being done though, is by just arms traffic. there's just, i mean, uh uh, you know, people in the us know that, you know, they can buy guns pretty liberally and they can take them over the border pretty easily as well. look, the check coming into the united states from mexico is pretty hard core. but going in there isn't nearly as nearly so much. and so they've, you've been lots of people driving from cleveland, you know, buying guns in cleveland and driving all the way down to mexico. so it's not even just the south. what you know, is the country for 100000000 people and to be sure, uh the people who are doing this, you know, we, we like to blame. you know, the immigrants, you know,

that poor lady who barely has 2 nickels to rub together comes to america because she's hungry as hell. she lives in under us and a place like that goes to a gallop. our other places that are just as dangerous and her daughter will be raped, your son will be killed, or he'll have to join the cartel and they decide, you know, the hell with it, we're leaving this country and we're going to go north of state, right. but we have created the consequences that, that woman, the environment, that bloody dangerous environment she's living. and we kind of created that or helped to create it because a, we provide the cartels, the guns and the weapons to be dangerous and do their thing. and then be we by the drugs americans of people under resorted smoking pot. we are, they're not doing coke. we are right. americans are the number one consumers of the world of the drugs and these people. so it. right. and it's, and it's the us as the king social fabric, right? i mean, how much,

how much are of how much money is being invested in combating addiction, you know, combining the social problems that lead to addiction. i live in los angeles, half of the city lives in the street, and half of those are, are hooked on foot. know, you know, and so it's, it's really, really tragic. and so why the people, why did people use drugs? well, cuz you know their life 3, they can't get a job. they're depressed. sorry, i curse. and um, and so they, uh they, they, they, they pick up the drugs and then they become addicted. and so what is our government? what is our society doing to rid us of, of this past? no, i'm not much. and so, so yes, we are fueling, it's a complex problem. and in the united states is guilty of fueling it blaming the immigrant or blaming. you know, some people south of the border is easy and it's just, it's an effective, you know,

and re k. it's always a pleasure to talk to you. perfect. so much for taking time to take us through this most interesting situation, which is costing a lot of lives in latin america and certainly not improving our prestige around the world either. thanks once again. thanks for kate. before i go, i want to remind you of what we do here, right? and our mission is pretty simple. we're, we're trying to de, silo the world. we've got to stop living in these little boxes that we all live in . truth is the truth does not live in boxes. the truth is, every with and we're looking for it from rick sanchez, probably looking for you again right here where i hope to provide a direct impact by going

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