uh, can i just ask you, because uh, obviously everyone's looking at the tragedy in hawaii, so many people killed west fires and so on. already e m p. you might have to explain what the m b is, is suspected by someone, the social media. and so for so for giving away at the largest alarm system in the world, and that happens to affect to the poor is the area of molly, a poor area holding out against properties. spinky lights is up. any johnson with the m p. note, which is whatsoever um electromagnet for having an issue. yeah. so electromagnetic pulse, so those are our weapons that don't cause any kinetic or physical damage. uh, the only cause damage to electronics. i think the conspiracy theories are more focused on directed energy weapons, space space lasers perhaps by russia or china. but i've yet to see any evidence of that that, that those bathroom was responsible for these devastating fires in now we uh where

i, if i personally vacation many times, oh well at least we put that to, to, to arrest. and obviously our thoughts with the families, very merry. so um, no, no amount of uh, us trillion dollar weaponry succeeded against the taliban fighters based either in caves. do you think it's the same prospect in ukraine or will be it with the no direct us soldier? death numbers, obviously thousands of american soldiers died in the us division of damaged on the billions going to the landscape. do you expect a defeat to, to be coming to the cab? well, i think what i'm saying for the past almost the past year now is that ukraine has already essentially been defeated on one side, so they're never going to get there the next territories back. the, or you probably know the last that were an x by russian september. and i've been saving since before the war began,

that there was no amount of us military assistance that would enable the ukraine to, to feed russia. rush, of course, being a nuclear superpower with 8000. uh warranty for the weapons, the new, great, great, of course. not having any um you know, p 35 times larger with an economy. 11 times bigger. the population over 5 times larger as well. with about 5 times as many takes a comment aircraft in or artillery system. so you as far as only one end and that's what they do negotiating table. the best case a piece we can, we can obtain for you paid right now would be great. so arms disagreement along the current line of control, but i fear that the longer you great weights to agree to that arm is disagreement. the more territory russian will succeed in capturing from ukraine following that the failure of the current camera offensive. oh, totally, that's and all of the view of that. so the blinking is state above and the natural ensure and security effort rages or any military analyst invited on the programs

and abc, nbc, cbs news, etc, and come to think of it. i made those wildfire as a new why $700.00 a hawaiian was one byte and was offering any the same day, gave $200000000.00 extra to zalinski. so what do you mean this money is just not gonna help things as well? yeah, i mean, it's a, it's a real scandal, bye bye. that of course has happiness, massive bribery scandal which i e. and as his son hunter accepted 10 new $10000000.00 from the corrupt ukrainian president company in exchange for um, you know, forgetting the prosecutor fired and we believe, you know, conservative. so there's a lot of evidence that suggests that binds decision to provide almost $200000000000.80 grade is primarily big uh do. in fact uh, you know, to kind of maintain is, is, uh, is profitable family business. and you know it's,

it's absolutely disgrace and it's running ukrainians more than anything. i mean ukraine has been the biggest loser of war. uh, with uh, probably 200000 radian soldiers deal. perhaps $25000.00 civilians interface destroyed or they've lost 3 percent of their, their population. 30 percent of their g d, p. and in russia is nothing we can. it remains very strong both militarily new comically. while i'm live, your opinion, you know, breckenridge doesn't have a free press. the united states as a 1st amendment. why is it the american public seem to have spin? supposing jo biden's view about the war and still in contrast to what you're saying, i mean, in the united states, people have seen a job. i even talk about firing. the prosecutors will allege these, their own screen talking about is so, i mean, why the american public against what you're saying as well, they're not actually,

uh, basically they been turning around public opinion against the war of 71 percent of republicans now post any additional assistance to you great. what are you mandatory assistance as well as 55 percent of americans overall? so i think the truth is coming out through this liberal mainstream media block, a lot of the truth and you know, they say it's been said in war, a truth is the 1st casualty of war. and that's, that's been true. and every major warrant us, as far as, as world war wanted it. and it's true in most other countries as well, including the reprint. well, joe biden obviously denies all wrong doing. and if you look at those us state department and why does briefings they just don't to, they sort of turn away when they hear any questions about on to biden's problems. explain to me as a home, a military man, how it's possible for the united states to run out of ammunition, which amidst its supplying of the billions of dollars of the

us public money to zalinski. so yeah, since the cold war ended, of course, we pursue this nonsense a good policy of, uh, globalization are now sourcing where we purchased a lot of our final weapon systems where on earth and even even some munitions from other countries. and at the same time of us, defense industry has been consolidated. whereas during world war 2, we had perhaps, as many as a dozen heavy emulation manufacturers, you know, it's now just down to, to a few and perhaps even one in the case of $155.00 millimeter or heavy art jewelry production . and as you are likely aware of, you know, we ship the, uh, this massive amount of us weapons, rockets, missiles and munitions to you. great. including about 4400000 heavy artillery rounds at the expense of the us military. we've been weakening. you're gladly

unilaterally disarming us military to help you raise liked, is a never ending and on one of a war against the russian federation. and i think that's a huge defeat for us national security. people who watch our interview with pentagon official trucks, many or to or the spinning report, he testified in congress about defense procurement. but i mean, i mean, i'm low, luckily, isn't going to invade you seriously saying, put the united states can defend itself militarily on the land based artillery based war, even though it spends more than the top. but however many countries in the world put together in terms of defense spending, well, no, i wouldn't do this for i. what i would say is, it is, the one is go, your roommate, i'm going to say, but any white and weird russian russian china work is russia and, or china. and certainly, i think we could defend a successfully guess other nations attack us a, how does all this defense pick?

i mean, given that you were a rockwell uh, basically a re fee on subsidiary at some point. um collins aerospace. how does it work? i mean, right. now presumably, uh, you'd expect congressman, to be having luncheon washington with the defense contract is i don't know how, how does it was when they told we'll we'll base factories, they're producing munitions to zalinski. we will help you get the vote you, i mean, because the vote was near unanimous in congress for sending all this money to ukraine. i mean, it's your own infrastructure problems. um well i, i will say that i'm not a believer in the military industrial complex. i don't believe, you know, large defense contractors are in the us, um or in the process. so you know, trying to lobby of members of congress for more. certainly they profit for more, but i don't think that they're major players are really have any political impact whatsoever in uh, in either starting wars work or we've been continuing ever. you are in the military

industrial complex. so it's hard to tell us how it works because you are in there, you know, working there for rates going subsidy rates. you on making a lot of money out of this, went on advertising it to share investors. but given the united states always has been a trillion dollars, maybe in the forever wars, and is now spent. what 160000000000 i had dinner with the latest figures on the amount of money poured into the oven into the landscape. well, for you creating our resources to about a 196000000000, i think you're in the us. you know, this figure is perhaps 117. but i think that's a much understanding of the actual military direct military assistance that we've given to ukraine is we're asked and authorized to give you. credit is about 53000000000. so most of that assistance is a financial arguments here. you manage area and a replacing you, us weapon stocks that type of assistance. but as i said,

i don't think that, you know, there is a military industrial complex. i don't think that's really the threat. i think the threat is the, the state, the war monitors of the neo conservatives and the liberals of buying. this ratio, of course, is why buy land assistant believe need always to be all. and all of us. national security is very course known of national security. and so they, they are a bit pushing to, to push a need, so i need those boundaries east. we're going to ukraine and they've been unwilling to compromise on that. and as we know, you know, president of wine or be a russia basically stated that it's of us with nearly commit to never expand data all into ukraine. you wouldn't, everybody felt the need to invade you creating the 1st place. so this is a completely unnecessary war. on the part of the, of the western powers, the can you see why what you're saying sounds just like russian talking points. i

mean, why do you think bill buns, the head of the c. i a former ambassador to moscow? kind of intimated what you just said there has gone quiet. well, i think he's a captive member of the bite industry. sure. knowing in his, his silence has been very profitable for him because he, he a c, i, director, was elevated to the of the by and cabinet. the c i c i, director traditionally is not a member. it's not a cabinet, a level of positions as the director of national intelligences. and so i think he, as i think has been muscle. i think behind the scenes we, we are aware of a, of a binding piece off with it was given to the russian federation, back in january. and which they, they basically offer to, to let russia keep all of its a concrete in the next week rating in territory. but they would not concede on the issue of value praying a membership in data. now that is immensely foolish decision, because we could make that guarantee without any cost whatsoever to us. national

security is an open, c for the ukraine will never join data, or the problem is, is that ukraine became in 2021. the defacto member of nato with the us. uh you bring uh security a partnership with brandon, david, fine, i'll stop you this little from the deputy director of the national operations for the us task force on national and homeland security. after this break, the public sentence, and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do, do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do the have the state department c. i a weapons bankers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again,

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us missile defense agency consulting, involvement, international analyst for the us office and the secretary defense david pine, david j. you were talking in the one about the possible piece agreement. people have heard about bar, as johnson being sent in the form of a disgrace, to prime minister beings edited a break and destroying the peace deal, and now tens of thousands of ukrainians the lives of being lost. how do you characterize the washington press corps? actually, given that we're not really hearing anything about the piece deal, i mean, even though booting brandished a piece of paper recently showing that the, the craniums are interested in that. the steel before. billions more of us tax pay, a public money was put into key of as well. i think good, fortunately, uh the, the mainstream media here in united states and, and utility and other western countries have become, uh, really, uh, uh, nothing more than an outlet for war propaganda. and certainly,

i think that's true to a true in ukraine into a lesser extent in russia as well. as i said, the truth is the 1st casualty of war. uh, but uh, yeah, we know from uh, ford affairs article and fiona, uh, by fiona hill. just the last september, i believe that there was this piece of green, but it was a tentative disagree moving to between russia and ukraine. it was signed or around march, 31st and assemble and you know, eyes and following all of those piece negotiations with great interest. and you know, there was a limited coverage in the western press. we just didn't have all the details. but according to fiona hill, the details were essentially that russia, we would draw all of its troops from ukraine, from, from most of the ukraine, perhaps the 90 about 93.6 percent of you. crazy reward controlled territory, excluding of the dos region in an exchange. you plan cry man layer. yes,

of course they would keep premier russell keep from you. um and uh, and you know, you probably went to disarm to a limited extent, but would still retain. uh, you know, a large, a large army, uh well armed army in would have security guarantees, uh, by the western powers to continue our country to resume our media in the event of a russian aggression, but would have to do so as, as uh, you know, preferably neutral power outside of the lights. okay, well, they've successfully kept that away. all that news away from the scary masses certainly done a better job. i agree to be a good be in the european union in the united kingdom, the united states. so what have you written about the council of foreign relations? richard has a long time. richard has the member of that meeting with the lever of charles cope . john from the council was on our show just recently the council of foreign relations and said, maybe your to him. now, could be a at hoping for some kind of negotiation. what's your understanding?

because if you watched circle made through media, which is waiting for this so called counter events over to a suit succeed. yeah, i, as i said, uh uh, you know, the ukraine's uh counter offensive is i feel badly. uh, you know, guys prepared a russian uh or fi defenses and um, you know, the casualties that they, this operated have been, uh, massive. uh, you know, we really just can't believe, uh, you know, how, how great those casualties are with russia separate comparatively less casualties. and we've heard, you know, it's, it's really hard to pin down the buy and destruction because they, you know, kind of been all over the place. but for the most part, they essentially subordinated russia, security policy. uh, you know, us, russian policy to, up to you created as always is uh, you know, he is not a member craddick leader and he's a white hot, uh,

he's trying been trying to get us and nato into a direct shooting world with russia. and knowing that, that is the appraisal we offer, we gain the, don't their last territories in the, for an x regions of loss, as well as the crimea. really they have, they have no realtors of getting. and i do think uh, i am hopeful and optimistic that we will uh, support uh, or pressure the crane to begin these piece docs hopefully in the fall or no later by the end of the end of the year following the, the final lenders of this failed counter offensive, you know, the by administrator would reject that and say actually we'd be an absolutely unified behind, behind. so in the a narrative which uh, given the soviet union when the war against the nazis, their narrative, the bide narrative is the boot in some kind of hipaa. and this is a, you know, by the, the, under the radar. they don't,

they did the north stream according to see more judge, really by the administration to be an absolute just about this. it believes that they will annihilate the concept of russia, whether it be a, in terms of a nation state, whether it beans, culture, because of course, in your books and music and so forth and being banned. they are going to actually you raise the concept of what russia it is for set. and i'm sure if you go around the cafe is of washington and maryland virginia. you'll hear us state department to personnel say the same. the yeah, i mean the, the goal is that the maximus objectives that divide restoration is expressed for their proxy work is rushing. you great. have been really observed. i mean, you can't, you can't win a war with the troops on the ground. we don't have a single carpet, a soldier on the ground. at least, at least, that's what we were being told. you know, we know that there's probably a 200 to 300 us troops in c,

i a intelligence officers operating ukraine. but that's not enough to where the war you know, um, so uh, the us has demonstrated conclusively that it's not willing to defend you created militarily. and yet it, it says that, you know, we, at some point you probably will be admitted into a video alliance and i, and i think that's just a far since it's never going to happen. it's a big dream. and we need to come to reality and support. it was also for armesis and, and i think this kind of goes back to where to go. she ations by a kaplan and uh, and others. uh, you know, is, is really the right way to, to go go and, and i think they're pursuing that the right to the right terms with the, we've costs for an armistice. and we just actually freeze the conflict in place just as we didn't create. you know, we're technically at work when china, north korea here in the us. and yet we haven't had any major fighting. so it's a 1953. so i think i can be cheap and it can,

it can be achieved without nato troops on the ground and ukraine on the, on the other hand. and you've written about this. you said in the past few weeks, joe biden, the, and as, as biden's justice department looks to imprisoning. of course, the opposition need a drum in announce mobilization of u. s. military is as part of operation atlantic was uh, what is that? i mean, is he seriously thinking uh to change what you've just been describing? what, what is the tool, what is button? what does, what did he mean by that sudden announcements in the past few weeks. so of course the, there was the building a summit, the really, i think it was july 11th through there about it can build this. and as little as you know, we create a president of the mirrors. look, uh zalinski was very angry. and uh, and, you know, disappointed that, uh, there was no, uh, uh, concrete path or timeline for you for your membership. and, you know, as i say, it goes as kind of, uh, uh, you know, to try to appease um, um,

essentially what finally agreed to as, to what's to build up to this 300000 troops. you know, rapid deployment force in, in europe, not all of which of course would be deployed in eastern europe, but just to, to rev up us trip deployments to europe in general. and perhaps we went to a point under 50000 troops and i think that's really, really foolish. we shouldn't have any groups in eastern europe. we never should have had any troops in eastern europe. and i think uh, you know, the right course of action is to pursue some kind of mutual security agreement, such as being offered to us and nato in december of 2021. the terms of which were mostly favorable to the us from a national security perspective. wait. so showing the families of the $300000.00 service people that concerns are going to be asking. who is the president of the united states, the joe biden, or the lensky?

well i think that's, that's absolutely right. uh you know, uh, i was asked uh back in may of last year uh, on another video interview. um, either way, if i thought a zaleski was buying stop at or us stop and i said no, i think it's at a bind is asking is if he's the wednesday stop it. so why would you do that? well i think uh, you know, i think buying in the democrat party or the u. s. has painted themselves into the corner, vilified as he said, there's some kind of new hitler and in russia as a new nazi germany or soviet union. and so, you know, we, when you, you lighting why so, so, so often infrequently, sometimes you begin to leave in your own propaganda and i, and i think it's really hard for them to get out from that. because, you know, if you, if you, you know, people use it as a hitler, a bed on domination of not at least eastern europe, not just ukraine. falsely without it and facts, then it makes it very difficult for you to compromise with taylor, you know,

in the, you know, the whole crazy new a conservative there as we must, not of keys hitler. we must not appease other dictators, you know, comes into play, which is just absolutely foolish. and it's the worse or reality. we're not going to use it to me at all by declaring armistice. we don't even have to, you know, do recognizes annexations of you created territory. we can simply say we recognize russians as active controls and for an x territory. so we recognize pry, media is part of russia and, you know, and we can do it. we can split it as well and not just for, for russian, but for the us, the great as well. exactly. and i mean, he had the courage to and the f can, has done more. so, why possibly con, the spin dogs is in the white as, and the headings now that even cnn bowls shows most of the american public doesn't

favor even more cash being paid into the landscape bank accounts. i mean, does he, does it, is we have something on, on buying because daily, strategically, the united states. i mean, not your last probably with the united states and come through this and start to forward. sure. alliances in the, in this new world we live in as well. i think it's absolutely possible. zalinski does have all the proof of the direct proof of, of buying bribery, the likely has access to the dates from the ukranian a little darker. and they had former head of a c o, a prisoner. so that's absolutely a possibility. we know that other foreign leaders you've had perhaps, you know, the chinese certainly, and perhaps the premiums as well have been compromising material on, on a president bind and non bill buns help with all of that is this is, i mean, you know, we don't and we don't innocent about the u. s. foreign policy. someone tries to

blackmail your elected president of the united states have means and ways and pieces of dealing with leaders who do that. i think there has to be the courage and will power for us leaders to do something about that. i mean, i'm of the opinion of it by insured, as bob been removed from office, you know, last year the latest certainly over this. so you create debacle, which has been a previous so devastating for the debris. people do you crane that don't deserve this for an a war that is not under their interest whatsoever, but we just don't have that person. we don't have a vice president, obviously a small harrison is not a person of courage. she's not unlimited courage. she's not gonna stand against the binding. and is this disgrace and is treasury or, you know, accepting these $1000000.00 a multi $1000000.00 bribes from, from a project for leaders. and we don't have a, you know, other political leaders in the buying cabinet that were willing to take decisive

action to save american the world from an unnecessary potential world war. yeah, binding denies all of that. and of course, the state department's entire west exec, authentic and consulting, the former consultants they deny that it's any conflict of interest. how did you some of these actually worked at a rate the on subsidiary gal and the ukraine national security and defense council blacklist then? or what have you done? well, obviously, uh, you know, all of my work uh, you know, is, is, uh, purely private. it, does it reflect it on any of your russian spy is i would say i have a petri, i'm a flag waving patriot before we're uh us army comment officer. i've served and your dependent on it on us army headquarters, staff as a country desktops or both for the former soviet union in eastern europe in the middle east. and, you know, i know what i'm talking about. i know it's in the us interest on the a,

for policy realist in it, but of course everything that i've said and done everything i've written instead on interviews is my own personal. it doesn't reflect a us government, you know, i have no employee with us. government doesn't reflect any of the use of any other uh, you know, previous employers as well. david pine. thank you. and that's for the final show. this season will be back with a brand new episode on monday, the 25th of september. but until then, we'll be broadcasting some of your favorite shows of this series. meanwhile, you can keep in touch 5 whole social media if it's not sunset in your country and had to have channel going on. the run tv on mobile dot com to what's new and old episodes of going underground. see very soon the

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