potty washed by one said that you can change your friends, but not your neighbors. please create it would seem self out of them if they're born in so many countries still preferring to hold onto old grievances rather than pursuing the sooner chase of mutual development. what will it take to change these when lives mentality to discuss it? i'm now joined by so keen, the co coordinate engine political analyst, tom's former, a 2 prime minister watched by mister. cool carney is great to see. thank you very much for your time. thank you. so much, thank you so much. let me start with your early years when you were a 1st, in fact, invest ballistics not as a means of self aggrandizing, but actually as a way of facilitating social development. i know that you started off as a marxist, but then got disillusioned. where do you find yourself in ideological terms right now? as i was one, some boxes. and i have not completely banded my microscopes.

even though i got disillusioned and deviated from a box of them, there was a time when i was young. and as so many young people in the globe in the seventy's, in the eighty's, it was very natural to be attracted by marxism, by socialism. because we all are dreamt of society, 3 of exploitation and a society full of equality and equal opportunities by show as time went by, i saw marxism in action, which is very different from oxford, them in charity. and though we all know what it is, changing the eighty's and on birds, you know, i see that there is a need, a center sites all the human to stick and was a, do i do all the jews and ideas from around the world, including boxes,

up and create something new, something new that can change the word. and in this i find that to the idea and the ideas of my program the are and can be agreed on to do that. because my background, the pair bonded ideas that got a tunnel and universe of these drug or non violent log. it's interesting you say the, especially in the reference of a hotmail gotten it because myself being a child of the ok. so if you, if you, any of, and the student of political and religious ideas i, i find a lot of overlapping between marks is common is socialist ideologies of the major religions all of the world. because they are all centered around the ideas of fairness as well, which here a freedom of choice with them to pursue your individual national destiny degree to

you. they do all of a treating the other as you yourself want to be treated in a hot montgomery is one example of actually putting those ideas into practice. you know, marrying speciality politics. do you think it's possible today? because if you look around the world, whenever people bring some sort of religious ideas into the political realm, it seems to be um, well, oh, more divergent, then the diverging them unifying. you know, a bed that it is possible. i would like to answer it by asking whether it is necessary and i think that the ideas and ideas of my book on the how does similar philosophy less unnecessary, the present and the future. first of all, guntee was a person who deeply respected every religion in the country or the bus. a devout can do, but he's respect or should it be for the slum,

for it would be them for every other religion was equally deep. and today, you know, build a life like when people are interconnected and is related in and i'm presenting that might not, we have to know each other. you have to respect each other and we'll learn from each other. and this guy was sent you all the word is not solved. so because it's a source of strength because it shows extra minor the salt bridge. so reach an experience, sorry to an explanation sort of an idea of storage and cultural backgrounds. and of course office creations. now i want to quote you specifically because you have read them that's histories dominant trends and they 21st century is tor, the equitable global development assurance global security and democratic global government. and despite the fact that they've got this illusion,

the with marks and isn't this actually so much different from what the chrome marx was thinking about back in the 19th century. surely the ways of bringing that about must have changed. but isn't it pretty much the same idea of the humanity has always aspire to. you know, you're right. marks also be utilize the word that is one decade united and that lives in peace with upset. so therefore, i say that we need the basic ideas of moxie will not boxes not become outdated. what i'm saying is that devin also of the philosophers of the social reformers and political leaders on trampled the same. for example, in india, in the india street, a woman against british colonialism was a source of immense suspicion only for the people of india. but for people all over

the white gone be jawad, a lot of nettle, rubbing the, gone all of them, but you knew bustle, people, they fought for you guys, independence. but they also inspired people around the way. absolutely. by the way, it was a let me just tell you, because i live here on the, in the northern part of the most on the right in my neighborhood park, there is the monument sort of did not to go. so, you know, like enjoyed showing saying that there were people thinking on the global scale. now you mentioned the with unity and i think this is a very interesting and also very dangerous concept because the united states and the west. collectively, i using the unit to you as a sort of political tactic of the machine. everybody under the same opinion under the same. 7 dime, you know, essentially what i think they're doing is under the slogan a few units you, they're enforcing their own views and doing that quite a while. the author, terry,

in ways how do you distinguish between us? that would take unity. um lets say joe political unit and that is used as a, as a tactic of enforcing the privilege position. the true of 10 big meaning of unity means that deep suspects. diversity, georgia, they cannot be creative is uniform. but the, what the united states is boeing is imposing its on heglum any or continuing their struggle money in the name of the, of all of idea of unity, which is as but its own hang of any of that must be rejected. and that is indeed being rejected. a truly don't idea of mankind beans that you must accept and respect and celebrate you men's diversity of schumann civilizations incomes an odd sky cha spitting for traditions, philosophies, intellectual,

scientific, and logical pursuits. oh, this is a common head of visual commodity, and back is out of this diversity visual grid, new bones of unit d, solid data, d. why is respecting? and this must be underlined by respecting national identities, national aspirations, follow their own fox. they lost one single box that is applicable for all religion . all religions are all nations now. uh, i think it's not only a question for political sciences, but also for economists and perhaps have been sol, see all or just uh, whether the west can stand on its own feed because as much as uh, western leaders live to talk about diversity and you know, like them so that are fun serving the interest of the mileage. it's pretty clear if

you look at the data that the united states um the west us fucking up the resources from the rest of the world and not only material resources but also human resources . i mean the custom to getting the best all and from the rest of the world to be, to the point of that on educational systems. and now in many ways, 5 jag by ideology is do you think the west can actually stand on its own feet? a be self sufficient without putting this burden of supply for itself onto the countries in again, under the slogans of uh, you know, humanity um the serving it won't at all is simply impossible. but the west is bent on its own feet and especially stab on the, on the edge of the rest of humanity by trying to perpetuate it's again, money. in the process, what is actually happening is that there is a progressive impoverishment of america in terms of which society you,

when it's economy, economy. and there's a lot of all of this business economy is propped up by the big continue old dominance of the dollar. but all the just changing the world is moving towards the dollar position, a similar e as already kind of get pointed out the balance on the new due balance of the united states. he's, he's thinking, let me do just one example. very recently, d s m c, the famous semi conductor manufacturer from day one was forced to establish a chip factory in idaho, not in the united states. or which d s. m. c decided to make a huge investment and give a time like of completing that project. but when you do and if i was notified that

the one 3rd shot under talent is simply not available. so they have said that we cannot do it in the next full yes. have a bunch they the, we didn't test exam one example. there are so many ways in which the rest is actually declining. and the best of the word is the basic. but mystical garden, a i, even if i think objectively history is moving towards not only multiply richard, but also, you know, i'll send to the balance of given, take, you know, each nation taking that own fair share of our resources and you know, standards of living, the comforts of life. uh, do you think the west will actually lead its monopoly sleep without the 5? because we, we have a approx, a warrant in your brain, at least 3 in russia. see it as a proxy war between russia and the west in ukraine. they're mounting tensions. a nice thing, miss surgically stoked off tensions around taiwan and china. i think there are also

clear efforts by the west to recruit key regional players as a means of ensuring western control over various parts of the region. do you think? what do you think big on the west and had gemini, will look like and the real the planet survive? it actually. so best would certainly not do up its dominance if to take the money without a fight. and we can see its manifestations in different ways, including the example that you gave just now that they ship the green. russia is facing a proxy war. it's far war, shut up. conflict between josh and ukraine because ukrainians are donated people. the brothers and sisters of russian people these are a war imposed by natal. she wants to expand like 130 to the assurances that named lloyd says

a given in early 1990 that they will not expand, but you wouldn't want edge down consistently expanding and getting close. i'm closer to my side, correct me. but i she has solver t shirts with integrity and human by. she has 2 chests. i was now mr. cole, corny, as much as i want to continue talking about that we have to take a very short break, but we will get back in just a few seconds. they june the the,

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[000:00:00;00] the welcome back to arrange the parts with so keen that apple, carney, indian political analyst, mystical carney, i think we both agreed that the westernization and democratization are synonymous processes. uh, you know, allowing old damages old nations and the freedom to be themselves to pursue that own development according to the distinct national features. uh, in this uh, synergetic way, uh, in what the americans used to go when the, when a fashion. and here it is also pretty clear that western nations have managed to essentially hijacked the democratic discourse. they're using democracy, essentially as a stick against anyone who disagrees with the, with the western paradigm. how do you think this whole idea of democracy,

which is actually a, you know, a very inspiring idea and it is also at the root of major philosophies that we have discussed before that you know, each will nation or each individual has to leave. i'll be offensive nature that, you know, power is the, the, the, the interest me more into an interesting nation. how do you seeing base the, the idea of democracy can be rustled back so that it is not here sophistic, but father, as a, as an inspiring and motivating ideal. first of all, the rest and the united states and in particular, is instead of giving a very bad advertisement for continued democracy in those countries. look at what is happening in america. the people are getting increasingly dissolution, but the political parties and the government function, the political leaders are the rising,

the society bit. so no for operation and role consensus on any better. therefore, i don't think that uh, we need to do a lot more to finish the rest of the democratic dominance because investors bring it said it is. do you think it's on great? like, what is our responsibility? responsibility of countries like india, china, and russia, in africa, in other countries, in asia and latin america, re establish as be the at excel. forced upon democracy must be better living conditions will all be, but similarly, be on. but the, the progress they should be controlled progress also with being sent all communities. and this has been countries like russia, china and you know, many of the country in putting india have so much to offer for a new stage of short and pollution. and i must, since, you know,

i'm talking to a russian friend, i'm so deeply encouraged and inspired by the great right. doesn't philosophers a fresh? yeah. the same is true for china. i frequently visited china. i know most, in spite of the fact that the china has become free of extreme, but would be about using that one. so of almost democratic could've, i was giving decent living conditions for every chinese citizen. isn't that a form of democratic protection? so therefore via establish so be that itself, you have noticed that this process of d west and as ation. and by that you don't mean be and trying to remove uh, that was not going to work with that was because western countries also represent a very valuable heritage and the value for human

experience, but simply dislodging down from their self as in positions of gemini as you know that this process of deeper solicitation is accompanied by the creation of many other organizations like breaks, like many others, which are based on all center consensus on triggered magic rather than ideological decision making on trying to truly find the areas where the country is, can find the mutual interest. do you think those principles can ever be attractive to our western neighbors? because as your former boss sad, we cannot, we cannot choose them. do you think we can sort of have them by our own example. so the risk, but it's such a not willing totally accept and best call the new developments which point to a new word or based on my input,

athletic pinch. just one example, the strong guy cooperation organization often union similarly because well, patient council, there are so many such regional and un might the continental trunk department, they might collect organizations that are coming up. so these are, you are being expanding like thinks we don't know what shape they think of georgia . but once he's very clear that the g 7, a global 7, you know, with this exclusive cap off best i'm confused, is losing some brands you cannot be. can brands on it, but they provide to concerns and therefore, because trying to create some new tricks, somehow split the unity and a solid. that'd be all other countries. and this is how i see or did it actually walk default country alliance. and then by the united states breach,

they see as a big step when they shouldn't natal. they've already created outlook in europe. and they want to know explore the same public inspection who the issue, the must not allow name to become anywhere close to asia. now, on the, on the personal level, how do you understand the logical of this uh, military expansion? because as you mentioned before, if we look at the, you know, developments within, let's say, the american society over the last 20 years, many of the benefits that they had, they lost, i mean, population wise, you know, it used to be a very inspiring country where people could have decent standards of life, sometimes underwritten by the rest of the world. but there are, there was, uh, this notion of the american dream that the, you know, the next generation will be a little bit better off than the previous one. all of that is now gone, they have a wasted all the benefits they had on many of the benefits they had because of base

a very i think it was sponsible. uh, a power uh application in uh, in a war zones around it was. what do you see, how do you see the logic of this continue in military expansion when that old populations continue to decline in terms ofa, material resources available to the, to them, as well as to, you know, spiritual cultural resources and all the rest. good opportunities. i could be lots of americans, i'm sense of questioning why america is boring. so many of this also seems to be you're paying for the war for the continuation of the war. friends then, or infrastructure ease, uh, declining a very rapid re they so like all would be then the bottom hall of american society is finding it extremely difficult to have what you said the american dream. so the

united states is certainly undergoing uh its own in internal consummation. we do not know what prompted bacon they use to bump. but i would say that to the rise of that last decline of the best ease and it was simple phenomena about what we should do is i think, east or best not to solve be less per pound, a global solar data d and global population of the year started out of the time that the world has never seen. so east west, north south we have on family one global family and agile audio pointed out. this will also include people of the best i'm sense of from even the western countries have contributed in a very significant fate to be the reduced social when civilizations in technology inside are what we oppose is best done domination, best done hagaman e,

which is against the principles of building democracy. i think it's not only against the principles of global democracy, it also gives the principles of fear, sharing off all of the benefits of humanity and what you've been talking about this idea of solidarity. it's no longer in my view, at least an ethical principle. this is what the history and the fact that they use . i mean, uh, this is weird development uh, goes, uh, but if you actually leave on good mutual terms with your neighbors, you benefits from your population of benefit from it. and as a political party, or as a political leader, you can actually actually, you know, read the benefits rather than using politics only as a means. as i said in the beginning of self aggrandizing or using your own or nurses. now, we have only a minute left and i do want to ask you one question about india, because here you mentioned that the united states is going through its process of internal transformation. so it is india. um, recently there has been

a controversy about whether india is preparing for change of name because uh, the presidential palace send out an invoice for a major dollar dinner stating uh, or in the name of uh, the presence of, of product. now as far as i understand, this is an old name for easy game can be as opposed to india being a name in english, i may have seen a number of countries tricky being. one example does have change the names to native language as to how they sound in native languages. what do you make of it? where does and just fit into that? and do you think this controversy has any sort of potential to be realized? you know, it would be totally wrong with the part of a country to do you name. it says uh by moving the word india. you don't constitution. the very 1st line of constitution says india, that is

a product. so the exit both babes. we up india. we had also partners, and that's true about several other countries in the world. for example, china has a different name in chinese language, but it is known as china, so that i so the work of india is as much an indian name as part. for example, in english, the language in which we are speaking english today very soon they'll be more english speaking people in india band in the united states on certainly united kingdom english language. so we don't this only dish and we don't is on india in india is a, is a source of immense inspiration and pride for us. and so is part of any spoke with people in india. one could change the name, it should be on sustainable. it could be reach age. now i don't want to get into it is a political culture as aiming there. but one thing i know is that part of one of the

interpretations of this word is that it originates from the word high, which means life and interested in it has been allied for the rest of humanity and not the only live but one that the brings very reach and very multi faceted raise of live in onto the rest of humanity and you being from that country i, i want to thank you for this very spirited and i think there would reach conversation. but i must say that seemed like also emanates from russia. i think 3 that i deeply loved and advice. thank you very much as possible. thank you to you as well, and that's the live image for each and every country and each and every person around the world. and we have to admit and respect that, but for now,

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