to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we cross the george semi while he's a pod cast. read the god. what would you be found on youtube and locals? are a gentleman, prospect rules, and if that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out in budapest, george. even discuss our gamble podcast. the, the different messaging we heard last week coming from the same stories, they blanking, nato, head. stolt and bird couldn't be more different. but we've been told all we have is western unity in the last step. but when blinking was it in um to look for the photo off of eating mcdonald's. um he projected a very different message. what what, what, what was the point of, of, um, of uh, do you think the difference there between the 2 messages?

well stilton bug is the front man, so a need, so uh, so he comes out every few days, weeks or whatever. and the glass that was made. so is the way forward for all countries and nato membership where ukraine is almost a done deal is just uh, we just gotta do the finish the paperwork. uh now um, blinking then goes to uh to and he makes no mention on later, but i told them i told them to talk on those uh no mention of need. so those are the great deal about america's commitment to ukraine. um, but he doesn't say anything about nato now, why is this? well, the, by the ministration knows that, um, if you crane is in nate's so then the united states is on the hook. i mean, these basic united states is at war with russia. so that's already what the united states wants. uh, the, and i say does want to keep this war going. um,

best doesn't care about the loss of lives. doesn't care about the, the, the, the ways the results of america has plenty of resources to ways. um, but it doesn't want to get it. so in the direct war with russia they're still debarred really doesn't care about the show to me or just as well. that's great. you know, we've got this wonderful club. we now have, we're going to have 32 members in the unit in the next few weeks. and so the, in the once you great in, and that will be his great try. um, but the america saying, well, not so fast, you know, may, may just basically a collection of dead beads and militarily inconsequential powers. the only power of the masses is the united states and the ice a doesn't want to get himself into a war. so that's why, you know, show to book and go on saying what he wants to say. you know, he's the chairman of this, the board of this class of the united states is the ones that say out of

a very dangerous rule for it. so what, let's just martin, what's interesting to with, with lincoln's visit be. so i thought it was a very good friends. i'm having a photo off at a cemetery, and that's lincoln's dirty work best as his paper. okay. i, i don't know who is doing the optics, but it was a cringe worthy here. but it's, it's, it's interesting that during the lincoln's visit the co to get more money, of course. but i don't know. i was rather taken aback, but he was talk so much about post war ukraine. i mean, what, where is this coming from? i think what? no one, none of us. we don't know. i don't know if anybody really knows how this is going to be resolved, but he wants to talk about what your queen is going to be like afterwards when we don't even know what you claim. well, we won't even know what it's geographical. borders will be, pardon, or anyone,

faintly objective about the claim or risk regardless of whether you take sides or not. i mean anybody who is able to get some distance and look up the, the grand will sign spring comes narrative really but not. i mean, it really is just so weird how somebody can be. so spectacularly misinformed isn't misinformed or is this delusion the leave has been detach the very much detached from the spring. so if you, if you think that you're, you're watching um a, so made a training session. well, you know that with the train is to come up with this some additional country on this fictitious rule. and we can just talk about, i'm talking points, i'm working on r t messaging, but this isn't really not in the real well, you know, i'm, i'm not so some of those features in the bus. and i just wonder, is this the result? is this the combination of years and years and years of wisdom, dis, information fed from intelligence agencies to, to solve a media. going to such an extreme, you know, when media now is just believing it,

so now to where you have the politicization of intelligence and when you have a blessed list of intentions. unfortunately, the impacts on media is a 100 times less, you know, and you have general this to a just writing fiction. basically is it, this is, this is bring to the cut off this on vacation of all of that. i'm wondering whether it is, i mean, we talked about nature and stopped him, but now who's since been with us was given a one year extension by, by them. um, you know, the corruption is just incredible. i mean, just stinks the time over the invitation for me just thinks the decision to extend his term for one year come to me and i've written about this. i'm absolutely confident he once those little delayed european commission, president speed to take care of it next year. next, next summer, exactly when the term is available, when the post is up, when the student that goes out is exactly the same months when she ends a time here. been commission. another double want me that why does she need this

job? because i'm not just with the leads my, there's a to the product, protect one another and s the dentist needs protective. she is up to a neck in corruption obligations because there's massive size that deal with she signed off and the she was adult. and guess what? oh i'm surprised, surprised. the husband just so happens to own a company owned by size. uh, kelcy please. you know, and we'll kill us a previous to come with uh is that when the various investigations m. e. p level. when you have been pharma, your been on but some um, even a use an answer referral. deposit themselves when the old oscar didn't match. i'm president. can we just have your telephone to look at the text messages that you sent to find the bosses? she says, oh, well, you know, all these things are so ephemeral and i think of just deleted them all good. maybe you can sort of that b s. m, it has a big major. other investors as invest said like new york times german media as

well. the suing you know, the ceiling because it, because they believe in old fashioned values, which i used to believe in 30 years ago. you know, the power of the pressing pull is a free speech, you know, use those techs on not your property. so, you know, and we need to see the, i think the, it just shows guides it, this is just a bracket. okay. and that's what it is. really, it's really interesting. again, going back to, you know, just opposing stilton version blinking rubber software, who's talking in front of, of a body, but know when it gets probably heard over even care of as bad as these are being bar limit, which, which, which, which i give kudos the usual judge, you know the name that iris and pc actually pushed back, but we never heard the response from from stilton. but, but it's interesting is that us policy is shafting not only ukraine, but also the european union. okay. because it's really and dealing with it blinking

to so obsessed with post war. i mean i guess he's, you know, he's gonna forgive me. your opinions will foot the bill or something like that in because of course, you know, boucher capitalism. but it's the same is that it's, it's a seamless program for blinking, and it's basically about arms of arms be care, man. so you know, we have this a money laundering operation. you know, where you send money, but oh, it does get suddenly comes back. it was something verbs of virginia. it's a racket. yes it is there. i guess. as you said, the model that they've um landed on is this uh, model of israel the somehow well, we will actually have a formal literature line so that we know what and i should be on the hook to go to war. and you know, they have um, but we will be sending you an awful lot of uh, military equipment uh a courtesy of uh,

america tax. but it is going to just be sending you a ser, everything that you want, which is still going to have to do the uh, the sites in your so not sold them. but however, as it always would be the one for all an old one. you know, he will, he has a very different model in mind that you know, once your brain is in then bone and we're, we're all good to go and fight the new brains being hot and the americans are basically say, no, i mean, they said that before bill is and with blinking, i mean he's not even making any promises that it will be a native membership for you at any time. i mean, she showed them bucks that yes, well we skipped the, the membership action plan phase. but that's just because we're really, really moving foster was late to membership. well the americans think it was skipped the membership action plan because of the to be a membership. so there's no point in the ship action perhaps, even though it is going to be, uh, you know, send the sending, you know,

everything. so now already they say, well, we're going to send this a, d a c m s, um ms. uh, so just gonna keep doing it, but ultimately, i mean, we're just gonna, you're going to be do think, doing the dying and again, the ukrainians, the ones who made this in the all take bought again. i mean the history of the, the, the right because they're, you know, they go to the military and the state is harming americans that are getting killed as well as all of these. and i impala dishes like mid rom than others like white police will about that. hey, wasn't here, this is a good bargain. you know, our industries, i'm making money, we're not getting killed. i mean, if this stupid enough to, once it gets shot problem, the problem blinds. that's the look it up. so it's a very cynical operation, but they lived as being low push back from the europeans one. well, they also do the martin again going back to blinking strip. you know, of, obviously i didn't see everything you had to say, but i saw

a large chunks of it. there's nothing about the, the counter offensive. what a plan b, it's a whole about and george's, right, not about nato. it just like how we're going to move forward after the conflict. and the problem with that kind of magical thinking is that you're not taking the russian side into account. i mean, they're going to, when did they decide to stop, stop lighting when did they decide when they believe that they secured their goals, and one of them is not made the nato membership, are you crazy? so again, blinking is completely disconnected from reality mark disconnected, but i do like your friends, lincoln's trip. what do you actually suggest to use this thing is of doing hotline, but i'm not come to it. so i'm for to minutes? probably before he makes the i i've heard been such things happen in care, but we'll leave it at that. okay. oh yeah, but you know, where is all this heavy i think i think what we're experiencing now is this a big issue? and i think the good thing is because we're running up to dr. barton and suppose the re election stuff. and um,

so we don't really know where we are. there's also the fact that there is a huge gap now in, in a minute, from military submitting to minutes just perspective, lots of talk of f sixteens. i was quite shocked to see the headlines a few weeks ago or from the ministration approves european a 16 and you know, it's like a good idea of oh, hold that thought i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on you can stay with r t a. the, the, [000:00:00;00] the 81834 france invaded algeria,

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the, the, a, well, dement across stuff where all things are considered either. well, this is a home addition to remind you were discussing. you great, the okay, let's go back to the right the way when i went to the break, you were talking about europe and headlines continue. my friends. yeah, so we just, um, the latest headlines are, is that something like 60 f sixteens dating back to the 1970s will be procured from a number of european countries. um, but how this is going to happen and why america isn't contributing any themselves? is rather old. i saw it and i'm, and so does it got this? hello, and how do we feel that gap? you know, what are they earliest opportunity? what was the f sixteens in ukraine?

i think. well realistically, be next summer. some people are saying may be spring, but i've just read today that the pilots, the training pilots were needs to be sent city to you. okay. so a training before they stopped the actual f. 16 training. so what is the training in the u. k? is it language lessons? i'm wondering if the role of my country honestly in the training will interest in martin also m e b b, b for you, the infrastructure that is needed to maintain these play of okay, they're all, but they're still sophisticated relatively. there are other air forces in the world . what about these air strips setting? do they exist in georgia? me see if that to you. so well, the f, 16 air scripts be somehow magically immune from being attacked. i mean, and then you know, all of the spare parts of the fuel and all that. i mean, this is a major, major undertake. i don't believe it's gonna ever happen. i think it's, i think it's just, they're talking out of their sleep,

george. right. but just the ascending uh more or more stuff and it goes in the for your grade is going to be what's the next thing that they go to and aid? i mean we, you know, we, we had the drum b though, we need the, the, the, the tanks, any of the drum and tanks. so then they would go or of the drum and times that were, we need the american tanks. i go, you go to the, the m one abrams. thanks. i know what i would need the f sixteens. okay. go the sixteens or what? well now we need this a, d, a. m s ms. uh, they'll get where you go less. so go to, we've got the next thing that's going to turn the tide. um and of course it hasn't done so. i mean, and what was interesting is, um, let me go back to the point about blinking, delusional talk. is that a blinking press? the said a deep right, well, this counter offensive, very, very successful, basically 50 percent of what the territory russia gain since it started it's operations, 50 percent has been one back by ukraine. and then you look at the washington po, as you know, they actually get

a show to show the math. there's nothing like 50 percent, i mean they're just so you know, they just, they're just making this up here, the 50 percent of the territory. there was nothing like it, i mean is, is, you know, the green is a one very small amount of territory back, but it's not nothing like 50 percent. that means it's still an enormous rabbits are true, but rough or those game, but yeah, they just keep fueling this, this delusion. and then the question is, what, what's the in game here? and none of them nama, and here they are, the do have something in common with the show them, but blinking sullivan, they're not able to spell out well what, what's your, what's your in game here? it is. i was, oh yeah, well, you know, we, we got to show a democracy is, prevails over or talk. this is a pro 10, you know, most must be stopped or, you know, you know, you, you, your, it must be safe from the boot. and so i gave him the, you know, they're not able to spell out even what they tried to do all of them. well,

let's just keep this going and tell everyone what a fantastic successive has been, which it has. well, it is easy just to continue with that. marty it's, it's very interesting. you have these pundents as a rush has already been defeated or it's it's losing. okay. it's 8 what, what was the georgia think you're the one that does um, pointed it out to me, right. versus a diminished power of power that is being diminished and then well, that just brings up the question. if it brush it is, be, is a diminishing. it's out of diminishing trajectory those, those are the words. then why shouldn't ukraine be in nature? they don't need nato if they're diminishing rushes, military power. the 2nd issue here, this obsession with square meters. i find that a nonsensical if you go back again, if you just listen to what people say or is stephen cohen would save, you put yourself in the other guy shoes. you know, the russian objective is be nice vacation in demilitarization. it's demilitarized

thing you break. it's not seeking territory per se. now that may change in the future when russia has its own offensive. my point in bringing up those 2 points is that the, the, the, the narratives are so skewed. i mean, there's nothing just each other. and i think that's an intentional again, but on the, on the part of the blankets and all the rest of them, the not just skewed i guess. i think the point made by a little bit and the answer you did with them. the tucker was burning and he said, look, the west just doesn't understand the russian. this is the problem. you know, you have this different ideas, different perspectives on democracy, state building and on the future of, of how people consider around the countries. russians place huge emphasis on the size and unity of the country 1st and foremost before so cool, west and ideas of democracy and unfree. gentleman accountability to elected officials. we don't get,

we don't understand about russia. russia will never give in with the surveillance, right? no matter what the case is, i mean, made the 2nd point this, it was, the ukraine will never, ever have the numbers. when we talk about soldiers, i'm talking about the some of them they will never be able to match what russia is producing. and so, you know, the new idea as well, okay, maybe maybe the more should be moved or should be transferred to the sky. can we can and have a lot of f sixteens, a mix, and that would be an amazing media destruction for at least 6 months or years just so we can get to 2024. before i would put money on trump coming back in, i mean i would put literally put my grandmother savings on it. i really do think it's it is inevitable. the front of you tell me the screws, the motion. you put the guy in jail. i'm always just guaranteed to, to run this press the but there is this delusion there is this a folk over these days, this frontier and the general list of just playing along with this and producing

more fake news. i mean it's not being picked up. it is interesting how will she generally, very recently talked about the ukraine on me, making some sort of achievement along that front line, the russian, the russian defense line 3 lines inside of these concrete set of dragons cheats. but still true. they didn't make it. i mean, if you kind info says break through those 3 lines of dragon's teeth, you don't think that's going to be on the front page. the guardian 1st and then you can say, you know, where's the skis $1000000000.00? it didn't happen. it won't happen. well, you'll have what you'll find to get some of the villages on the other side, some of the villages, the rest of that was holding onto on the other side in the ukraine side. and sometimes they give them up. they get bored with them to get rest of them. you know, you kindful, take the village and suddenly everybody pulls out a sofa stuff today. oh, the self is, you know, the big one village then population of state. we do a one time was 43 people. so i mean we're talking about village,

where the scott scott resorted. guy you have on the show officer said recently that there were a number of cases that he supported of the training. and so has offices going, walking on foot and going through these dragon's teeth, taking sofas themselves personally, most social media, and then scuffling back to that. that's how pathetic it is. you know, that's really where we are with the crime or what the charge also in the mix here was the rest of the you go to color moist. the believe to be one of the sponsors of a, of bob zelinski. when he was running for president, arrested on fraud, which none of us cuz the personalized bikes for but yeah, um this whole push to this anti corruption. so it was like 15 minutes ago you could talk of corruption and ukraine. now it's like, there's always days cleaning it all up. okay. though there still won't be an audit here. what do you read into that? what did wait, is it a consolidation?

because it seems to me the excuse even more isolated and making them even more dependent on, on washington. he doesn't have to listen. anybody in the european union, he doesn't care because the americans don't care what's going on there. and this cannot be coincidental. well i think it's, uh, it is consolidation. it's a matter of ensuring the p if is completely subordinate to america because requirements and i called them once, gave someone that they might because i've never been very happy about. they think he's very untrustworthy. i mean, not just the corruption, they don't go so much that he likes money. i mean, you know, who does a, it was a small that they think that he might just see if he can work out some kind of a deal with the russians. he said things in the past. um, you know, some years ago in which he pretty much is the said, what is all this about this all the of this to him. i think it was 2017 that the

americans are ready to fight to the last ukrainian. they don't really care about all. well, that they're just using us as a battering ram against russia. i mean, this is very all this, but it was all this to go to market 10 years ago when you bloss things like that out it in interviews with the new york times, the americans really don't appreciate it very much and they put called on my skid on the sanctions list, or it is some time ago and the now they have, you know, the things of ends get well enough already. you know, you've got to get him out. you got to get a hold of the people around you who may think this is nuts. we need to work something out. now where, you know, we're, we're just being led to the store to buy the united states. they don't care about us, you know, wait, wait, wait, just a, uh, a nice little uh tool and i think they will, they will, they want everyone like that are still, which is another one. i think they want the demo as well. but anyway, anyway, to quickly talk some sense has got to be moved out of the way in the, in the, in,

in those that remain best. but it's still can participate and benefit from the graphs. because every time you know they're going to visual sets up by way above another 1000000000 for you. if you don't really buy that linux, the questions on the couch we were really good for you. are. yeah, isn't extraordinary, isn't it? isn't it so? so funny, the tongue, let me look an american and british press coverage of the claim. more one thing we don't see. one thing that we should see, but we've done said is we'd never see profile pitches, but profile pieces of equipment officials, you know, now we do protocol pictures, big pieces of our own officials that run ministers. you know, it's a big joke going around, breast them. now the moment about this new defense minister, we just, um, it's a prime ministers just installed. it has no experience. it's over in the ministry. doesn't even know when fargo. yeah. but in new crane, we don't see these profiles on these top people because that would be really difficult when that that'd be ready or put out. do you do profiles on people who

are living in multi 1000000 dollar villas, you know, have a complete entourage, party gods, and i think up to those and own real estate in, in, in the bahamas and etc, etc, etc. the funny picture. so placing on the section made it might be faked, it might be photoshop, but it's very funny. it's a picture of a ukranian late to an m p. is buying media assembly. i wasn't name up until the picture is a 2 picture double shots. one is the beginning of the penguin, where she's extremely skinny, holding a, i can't $47.00 smiling towards the camera. and more recent photograph of how shall i say being rather large and out. and 11 to is you know, what do jacks to do when they suddenly get lots of money to get a little more. and so it can be a great diet for some and certainly raising robin. and unfortunately, gentlemen, we've run out of time on, i think, my guess in budapest and remember to catch them. i think our viewers were watching us here at our teach the next time. remember across the the,

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