me, a few weeks ago we spoke the pulitzer prize winning journalist seymour hersh about his bombshell were both of the united states blew up in wood stream pipeline destabilizing your energy supplies. in closing, what may have been the single biggest meeting the mission event ever recorded, and environmental catastrophe, and now hush, the legend region this known for exposing cover ups likely us armies massacre the lion, torture of prisoners and upgrade, joins to be again from washington dc with more revelations, this time reporting that the c, i a was well aware that ukrainian president allowed him is lensky and his entourage is embezzled. hundreds of millions of dollars in usaid. thank you so much. i cipher coming back on. i mean, after revealing that the terror attack, tell me about this $400000000.00 of us public money and, and i think most american media covers the fact that the, the american public setting, they need 400 $1000000.00 for infrastructure. tell me about the latest scandal trading with the enemy. oh, well, you have to know that the budget right now,

the actual money. i think that's the on my government is spent on that war is about 5 months ago was about a 113000000000. and it's now up to $120.00, so the $400000000.00 figure when you compare it to that, the great gross amount of money we spent there is almost trivial. but one of the things that really bought the base, i learned that just 2 months ago and the ukraine, these a lot of these few to keep us army going to keep it's trucks going into. they use diesel and it's uh and, and they have since the war began. they've been buying diesel from russia. i had and, and, and as they weren't supposed to, right. they went to, they're not supposed to be funding the war on the landscape, not easily finding the war on zalinski and it's it's just,

they were able to apparently, uh, the chest in sills cuz i that were, they were buying the oil from rush i, i just i, you know, it's just, you know, as a all, you know, the, the old i, b as a while ago walks and money talks. and the phone to me was just a few you. the estimate that i had been told by people i've known for decades. i was, was the skim on just the oil money, but let alone it's sort of disturbing that ukraine's buying oil from russia, which one little more i mean, but we, you know, the oil and money transcends every bit of rationality, i guess. but then to discover the ford demand is it isn't all i mean, you know, all you have to do is look, look at the high life in p, f. today, there's a really good highlights and key and i have the fancy restaurants are going. you can find liquor stores of everything in it. there's a lot of money being pushed around. and so what happened was,

this would have been 3 months ago or so the c, i a director, a r c, i directed burns bill burn. so it was really a diplomat that you've never been in the c, i a, is that a great career or some bass and it to some places it's quoting russia by and, but i actually had which editor, when he finishes towards a bassett, a rush, i wrote him and more in which a warrant against expanding nato to the east because of the lead the war. but that's not what he's likes to talk, which makes it even more with that. he okay, the north stream. uh pipeline. does it have to, from your previous article, he was the middle of what he was, he was a given. i think the only job major job left when a bite and one got in and by what happened is burns retired from this point, servicing his deputy secretary state and a quite reasonable guy. went to the carnegie foundation as president. and then when button got in the question is what job already have? he wanted a job in foreign policy to the surface. this is the way it works in washington.

these are professional the government officials. and once they're in, there's always going to be a job for you and you know, the job, big jump, there was left for c, i a and he took it, i went guess, thinking that maybe if there's a 2nd term. but tony blinking will we retire or something? i have no idea why he took it, but he did. he was the middleman when they um, when the c a and other agencies ran a corporate operation to destroy the pipeline when he comes of venture and fan is in the, in this piece about alleged corruption of this island ski administration. and yeah, because you say that your sources are telling you, you guys had woods with zelinski, and i should say the sentence he denies old corruption. he was named in the panama papers. but according to you, you're saying that the lensky um was told off by bill burns, about all is savanski is officials riding around and cabin humans and he's benches and the like the actual message,

as i understood. and he was not alone on the trip. so the actual message that is, there are other people from the community with him, intelligence community, the actual mattress, the fest, lensky was the agenda of the bureaucrats and the generals are getting very angry at you because you're taking too much of the, of the scam hope you're taking a bigger cut and he was given a list of 35 people that were involved in and corrupt activities. zalinski def, fire 10 people on the list, some generals and officers, and some civilian bureaucrats. most of the agencies in the government and normally do contracting work normally do directly with a normally you do a contract with somebody, so blind toilet paper, no contract the paper company, everybody's gone to brokers. everybody's now getting 3rd parties involved because that increases the transfer of money on the side. and the corruption,

there is just be unbelief that always has been and that doesn't change. and so that's all i was writing about. but you know, like a lot of the stuff i write about, you know, they keep on saying on names, sources, if you know, and all those years i was at the new york times when a lot of prizes from my work, than you know, back in the seventy's and watergate and stuff like that, and vietnam, could you possibly name sources you put, put people in jail? but do you know that, you know, you know, we've been talking for years, we know the, you know how to game is we never reveal our sources as, as the as use head zalinski did 5 people. i don't know whether that was just to make it look good or that was because bill buttons was telling them it was it bill burns that told him? does he do early? if i were 1010 of those who were the most of us that jesus living, you know, in the living well in the best apartment and showing a lot of money and buying a new cars. and he fired those who were asked. and patients was the word and

another 25, just what we're left untouched or it's why be shot. it's ukraine's always been at the bottom of the list or the top of the list in terms of corruption. yeah, i think everyone's shocked in the mainstream media community because of is that lensky is a hero. and it was by parties and bi partisan in congress just and so many billions of dollars with the public money. when, when you're in a cities or a crumbling really and perhaps is the dread list in case of drinking the wine, who knows? because, so what you're saying is zelinski is buying or is fueling the war on ukraine by buying russian oil the on the black market. rusher rushing the diesel is roger is obviously funding ukraine because with no upstream gone, it has to be transmitted fees for gas and going through your credit. oh actually, i mean that's part of it. there were the, you know, this, the price of diesel,

but there is still a gas line that was uh, uh, it was operational i think in the sixty's, a long time ago from russia through we do crane into is of some of the countries um, that it must in your own warsaw block countries, you know, the old member, the warsaw block that existed as, as in opposition to our nato. i guess i'm sure it was. and they have to pay the transit fee or sometimes even to every, every get some russian continues to pay a transport fee for that pipeline. and oil does flow, but it doesn't go to ukraine. it goes through ukraine. and but a, and there's always been incredible complaints over the years. i mean, for decades about ukraine plug into a legal way and size. it is something that you don't pay a lot, but that was before the war. it's just like, i don't know why i should be giggling a minor because this is really quite a crazy situation. what, and as you know, that the tip of the united states is the funding candidate days on this all sorts

of speeches and talks and concern about the fact that we viewed the fact that russia has so much oil so much and so much under price oil for years, so much very clean methane gas and they've been selling it particularly wanted to europe at $1.00 low price. there's a lot of other keeps everybody warm and happy and the business is flowing. and we always use that as a weapon. russia weapon icing as well. okay. well as you know, we, i think we, we did talk about it on, on the north stream episode, people going to look at it on rumble. but also in your article, you're talking about weapons, real weapons. and actually there was an american w b i who's randy credit goes goodbye in transit from. don't yet ski wonder why a comedian was in don't yet scrub. and you as a journalist, covering the war. and he saw with his own eyes, the kind of a killing that has been going on with the us time wise and so on. i understand that

the exports of arms from ukraine are gaining traction here. they, they're not just killing web people in your tell me about this booming weapons export market. it was not written about it, but i've obviously heard, you know, i don't know whether they call it the dark margaret or the black market, very early colon romania. other countries on the border were being flooded with weapons where you were shipping for the war to ukraine. and other words, commanders of various, you know, i don't, i don't know what level often it was in general was it was colonels and others who were given a shipment of some weapons, would personally re sell our retail them back into the black and the dark market. and including they were, um, the, the concern when i, there's a lot of concern just as months after the war began last february,

where there included these handheld a missile guns, missiles that could shoot down an airplane, you know, at a considerable height. and so there was a lot of concern about that, but that and one at one time about 6 months ago, maybe more cbs motor story about it. that they were forced to retract. they published cs television, but put on the air show about the arm, voice to the right track. and he's the mistakes. you know, they just, they were just, you know, everybody's, you know, everybody's, we're, we're, we're on the side of ukraine. we all hate russia. and you know and buys and hates russia, and he h china and was totally blinking. the secretary state of jake sullivan, the national security advisor in the victorian knew and uh, blinking, i called them lincoln blinking. and now they're all unified in their public distaste. and, and contempt for russian all things,

russian and the same for china. i hear the binds in the process of, you know, going to try and discourage certain sales of, of goods from china to the native states. he's going to bar some of these are the sanction those were i just don't understand where this immense a point of hate comes. yes. who did a terrible thing by starting a war and that's going to be on him forever. you know, when he actually started one, when he didn't have to, uh, is that convinced me, he did not have to, i, i, i, i think you could have negotiated something where you're going to get that and you're going to get that interview with blue jim. clearly, and of course he and the russians, i'd say the war started way before i, i read it, i read is interviews. they're quite interesting. i think that's his argument. i mean, as you know, and we remember in 2007 and one of those international conferences that seemed so horrible. he actually publicly said, i'm, why don't you take me in, anita?

i'm in europe. so i did. i say you can, a 3 is what russia did? they started the 1st the bloodiest war and what was in, in western europe since world war 2, you know, i don't know, you just, you just love it was, it was pretty bad. so i have all the stuff you, the more from the pulitzer prize winning legend rejoined lives after this break the, [000:00:00;00] the russian states never as one of the most sense community best. most all sun set up, the musical standard assistance must be the one else calls question about this,

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the welcome back to going underground. and i'm still here with pulitzer prize winning legend region list. see more hash. well, i want to get on to, i mean, i should just also say there's no, you mentioned blink and there's no sign. yeah, there any element of corruption at that level? this is g, a strategic as far as far as blinking? no, there's no, he's a wesley correction sell to and he's a capital pot and a hedge fund or equity company. there's nothing about that. there's, this is the, there's never been an issue. i mean he's, he's an east look, he's a perfectly, he's been, he's a great public service and he's now the secretary of state. but i'm, he's been biden's number one man. as, as a roles from congress whenever he was a bite. and when he was on the do just very communities was by mondays on various other committees. he's not a net, he's never served as an investment or never served in this like department. he's you know,

over his keys the secretary state because he thinks he can bully people and a j sullivan's biggest claim to fame was he was hillary's lawyer when she was in there during a lot of investigations including the g mail. and he also ended up working at brookings with strobe talbott, who, when he was deputy secretary state in the clinton administration, was the major pusher for expanding. they don't have an age. that was, that was actually when the chinese embassy was bombed in you, he's love you. when sort of job with okay. did you remember that? you also mentioned the, the 82nd airborne is draining in poland. what, what did they do? it why would the 2nd half of the 100 and 1st isn't is who are they 1st? who is the 2nd they have one year? who is the executive board and why should we wait a 2nd? i bought it for a week and or something. arming is some brigade, which is composed of 5 companies, which is maybe $7500.00 man. and then last year,

we also brought the 100 and 1st infantry airborne, another elite unit, another big gain, 5 companies or 4 companies and add on add on companies. probably with back up forces. we've got 20000 american soldiers exercising, doing training emissions, maybe in pulling to 60 miles on the border with ukraine. we're many, it's a little farther, but they're so easy. easy. yeah. you know what and what are they doing? i mean, what is i think they going to be doing? well, i don't know, but i just, when i ask for my story and, you know, and the story you're talking about, which ran a couple weeks ago, that's what i asked. i asked, what the hell, what are they there for? what's the plan? if the war goes bad? does jose do if joe is willing to buy a global pipeline and keep him his best cell? i'm one of our good allies in nato, but germany a cold and a little bankrupt. you know, it's not, you know, it's, it's going to be cost a lot of money to replace the,

the gas it was getting out of north stream to we was going to get. and um, and so he got rid of that. what, what do you do if the more, you know, there's all this talk about an offensive, i think it's been going on. but what, what, what, what do you do if it's suddenly did turn bad as i will tell you, most of the people i know think it has. i think that's just the question of what he wants to do when, but you know that's not what you're saying. and in the western papers, and this, by the way, all of these re intelligence reboot reports that have come out in the last week. and some are very interesting. but in general, we all know that in the old cliche about intelligence. so please, you know, they're taking a rosy picture of some of the numbers in it, but again, their documents and so the, you know, they get tremendous attention because, well, i, well, most of the attention to the content of the leaks from the band. again,

the got the attention and it was, it was trying to get in combat was that we use it for, i mean you open your whole, your whole life is being dependent on the 1st amendment. and then maybe the 4th amendment of the us constitution. what, what do you make you feel when they weren't talking about, as you're saying, the pentagon leaks about rosie pictures of counter offenses by the gradients. they would show here with your paper the new york times was talking about how to, how they help us be either apprehend, jacked, etc, etc. this 21 year old, national gods. i don't get me going on. the process that is, i know the price is a no win situation where you work. i worked for years at the new york times and, and so i'm sure everybody to pay for it. oh, was the one a lot of prizes and the one of the most important stories i wrote about them, see i'd spying on american citizens and nobody named it. and so the notion now. so there's always this, the, it's, it's certainly an outside or no, i'm publishing on

a, on a subset, which is a, i'm self publishing in essence. but i will tell you, for sure. i am retained a terrific editor, somebody i worked with at the london review books. and one of the other of your books is going pro ukraine by the way. i just read the latest issue. but what i was trying to, what i was trying to get out there was, this was the when i last spoke to you a few weeks back because last time you would criticize a year old paper in new york times. now it's not so much the new york times on the printing, important news of interest in the public interest about what's happening in europe and who knows where else they are actually and growing about aiding the f. b i in capturing alleged whistleblowers. that's a new one. has lived in let me make it broader than in new york times because of this you can't win an argument with the, you know, i just don't want to get into an argument, but i sometimes do. but,

but trump terrified depress that he won. after all, the mocking they did, and they're terrified again and i, i will tell you there's a lot of people very worried that we might end up with a bite and a trump, a ticket in 2024. and that, and so the times response to the, to trump and the all the, all the horrors, the january, 6 of invasion of the capital has been, i think, to make a very distinct commitment to being pro, by is very little criticism or by them. none of the stories i've written about binding, but none of the obligations are more than allegations with a lot of specific. so i look, i know much more than i said about what that mission took place. uh, in uh, based it was based on no way what we were doing. and so none of them i've followed the story in any way except the right calendar story is given by the intelligence community. so the fact that the, it's a, it does wash to a site, you know, you cannot be shocked at the times would be as good citizens turning to the best,

the height of the, the, of course i have, but you can see there you go, you're going to make me gets self serving, but the sources you want are people that are motivated. and ever since i did the meal, i mastic a story which made a lot of people in the military who suffered through vietnam and the horrors there and kept their mouth shut because they wanted to get that next star, the next promotion. and they knew talking about it, so i was an extra theater for them. and so the people that i talked to take the oath of office, they have to take it every year in the military anymore. i think in states department to they don't take it to their boss or the currently or the general or to the president they take into the constitution. and those are the people i have. i know, and many, many more than you might think. who i talked to because when they see something wrong, even though their job may be online, if i, if i screw up and somehow do get them nailed in the story and right. but they talk

to me and the times, you know, i don't think when i worked there they had those kind of sources. i mean i, i know that because they relied on me for certain things. you was, i know you're the person we thought we were coming to the end. what was the best hopes when? well, i noticed as a spokesman, a pretty, you know, a job, one story able, named john kirby. what used to know when he was a junior officer as a, in the, in the press office for the secretary defense. when i was working at the new yorker and writing about no w. m. d and all that stuff. but the cheney bush stuff, much critical stuff. he was then involved. now, he is a merge as the fellow who backs up the when, when there's a critical issue. he backs up the, the, the, the president passed a young woman. he's always addicts, answer questions, and he goes on to sunday, talk shows, we're talking about a prescott now being going on this talk shows that used to be the domain of the

secretary of the state or the national security advisor. you don't see much of those guys anymore right now. i don't know what's going to happen with the pipeline story. i don't know if it's ever going to come out because this government will never investigated. it least it in an honest way. well, the un un won't either despite the rusher in china and, and brazil, one thing at to, and you're intimating the, the anger actually, and the latest bees you seem to be intimating there isn't anger at certain levels there, but did it at least vindicate you a little that was you will be in congress estimated that not to cover the consent of a mission, the mainstream media did. do you think it was cause of your i think of the know love schoultz would not get take questions. when he visited by the last month, i mean why people were saying mobile ideally, i mean, presumably even this will go mainstream media had your article on their, their mind and, and now the washington post is conceded in europe and investigate is doing believe the, the billing tabs, i mean there's,

there's some good out the organization. it's slowly you're getting traction. i mean, do you think that's why john schultz was not allowed? i mean, normally you'd have him and by and doing questions when they, when they do that i, you know, it doesn't matter what i think because i don't know the answer. i do know that the community intelligence community is, is, is, feels an ocean. that's a big statement, is there are people there who do analysis and write complicated report with complicated a foreign policy studies, etc. or, you know, just an intellectual game and, and visualize the way many eventually isolated because there is no sign that the white house is terribly interested in the long term. what we call national intelligence estimates. and they certainly don't want one on the pipeline. and so there's a, there's a disconnect, i think, between some elements of the, of the, of the, the, of the, of the, and the community and, and the white house. i don't think i don't,

i don't think they see biden is an avid reader of their work or desire design. they haven't made that stuff. that's all i understand. but a lot of presidents, you know, when ronald reagan was president, they see every day give something called the president's daily beef. it's called the p b s guys and the c i a stay up to 34 in the morning to promulgate using a 3 year pace. thing for the president in a few senior people is 2nd, the vice president, secretary status of the sick deaf, not many people. it's a very hot document. and at some point we noticed it was understood that reagan wasn't reading it. and so call him paul is long ago and i control the story, you know, figured out the way to do it. he would, he would tape it going it at the video. he would read it in a video and then plug the video in for reagan to watch. and that's how they got them to read the heavy sheet page. that's all i with. i want to say we,

we don't have time to, to look at the latest piece which is a, which is one time. and i know this is the watch this program in guantanamo in the tv room apparently. but i guess people should, i don't know if you have any very quick message to the people in guantanamo. we'll be watching this in the us present can because your latest one is about the process as well. the only point i made is that the, the constitution united states is very clear on something called due process. and if you're in a jail in america, you don't have to be a citizen, they get due process and you don't have to have been captured somewhere outside of america or american sovereign territory. due process is in the constitution. and none of the courts that edgy edgy indicated the very discipline legal issues go to war. and the courts have done something and forcing them back in the bush cheney days and forcing the white house to a district the government to give some rights to them. but none of the no court has

ever said the one thing that nobody wants that which is the prisoners have absolutely right to due process the way the court. there was a case the site and a couple weeks ago that sort of blew my mind with some guy who was released. you know, they've been in for 20 to 20 years. gone to the torture prisons that we had back in the early days. got the guantanamo no evidence at all convicting and making the anything. finally, 2 years ago he was released. he was said, you're free to go. but the uh, you have to go to a safe country. well, he was from you, i'm at and he wanted to go back there. and so the establishment, whether was the, the, the state, the people, the, i guess the military running the persons there, establish and said it's not safe. so you can't go there. so he's been a 1000000 read people who read on yourselves tech about i'm just allow model. i'm you guys, you guys all i know you got a bad shape for you because uh your yours,

give me brief as much as i give you time. you know, you said that i uh, she gave me no grief cyrus. thank you. and that's what i show that sort of the show will be back on saturday for the final show of this season with john perkins. the ledge will bank, and i'm, if he can only get man to talk about which will lead us on washington's assassination this. meanwhile, you can keep in touch by the social media or if it's not sensitive in your country and had to a channel going on the garden tv, on rumble to come to watch new and old episodes of going underground seas have the same wrong. just don't you have to safe house to come to the after and engagement equals the trail.

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