[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm getting a little stilton bird versus blinking, watching and wants to keep the conflict in your brain going, but doesn't want to be on the hook or going in and fighting on ukraine's behalf. this of course is with nature membership with me the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we cross the george samuel. he's a pod cast right, the guy, but which be found on youtube and locals. are gentleman cross type rules that affect, that means you can jump any time you want that. i always appreciate it. all right,

let's start out in budapest, george. you and i discuss our gamble on cast, the, the different messaging we heard last week, coming from the same stories. they blinking in nato, head, stolt, and bird. they couldn't be more different, but we've been told all we have is western unity in the last step. but when blinking was it in um to look for the photo op of eating mcdonald's. um he projected a very different message. what, what was, what was the point of, of, um, of uh, do you think the difference there between the 2 messages? well stilton bug is the front man, so need. so uh, so he comes out uh every few days, weeks or whatever. and the class that was made. so is the way forward for all countries and nato membership where ukraine is almost a done deal is just uh, we just gotta do the finish the paperwork. uh, now um,

blinking then goes to uh to and he makes no mention on later, but i told them i told them the to organize the no mention of need. so there's a great deal about america's commitment to ukraine. but he doesn't say anything of, of nature. now, why is this? well, the, by the ministration knows that, um, if you crane is in nate's so then the united states is on the hook. i mean, these basic united states is at war with russia. so that's already what the united states wants the and i say does want to keep this war going. um, best doesn't care about the loss of lives. doesn't care about the, the, the, the ways the results of america has plenty of resources to ways. um, but it doesn't want to get it. so in the direct war with russia, national debate really doesn't care about the shelter, but just as well. that's great. you know, we've got this wonderful club. we now have,

we're going to have 32 members in the unit in the next few weeks and study in the once ukraine in and that will be his grades try um, but the americans are saying, well, not so fast. you know, they, they just basically a collection of dead beads and militarily inconsequential powers. the only power of the masses is the united states and the ice a doesn't want to get himself into a row up. so that's why, you know, sold to book and go on saying what he wants to say here. you know, he's the chairman of this, the board of this class of the united states has been once to say out of a very dangerous rule for it. so what's the just mark, what's interesting to with, with blinking is visit be so i thought it was a very good friend um having a photo uh at a cemetery and thats lincoln's dirty work as best as his paper. okay, i, i don't know who is doing the optics, but it was a cringe worthy here. but it's,

it's, it's interesting that during lincoln's visit the co to get more money, of course. but i don't know. i was rather taken aback, but he was talk so much about post war ukraine. i mean what, where is this coming from? i agree with no one, none of us. we don't know. i don't know if anybody really knows how this is going to be resolved, but he wants to talk about what your credit is going to be like afterwards when we don't even know what you claim. well, we won't even know what it's geographical. borders will be, pardon, or anyone, faintly objective about the claim or risk regardless of whether you take sides or not. i mean anybody who is able to get some distance and look up the, the grand will sign spring comes narrative really but not. i mean, it really is just so weird how somebody can be. so spectacularly misinformed isn't misinformed or is this delusion the leave has been detach the very much detached

from the spanish. what do you think the you're watching um, so made a training session where, you know they, they with the train is to come up with this and finish this country on this fictitious war. we can just talk about, i'm talking points. i'm working on archie messaging, but this isn't really not in the real well, you know, i'm not so some of those features in the bus and i just wonder, is this the result? is this the combination of years and years and years of wisdom? this information said from intelligence agencies to, to solve a media gone to such an extreme, you know, when media now is just believing it. so now to where you have the politicization of intelligence and when you have a blissful edition of intelligence, unfortunately, the impacts on media is a 100 times less, you know, and you have general to see what just writing fiction basically is it, this is, this is bring to the kind of special education of all of that, i'm wondering whether it is, i mean, we talk about nature and stopped him,

but now that has since been with us was given a one year extension by, by them. um, you know, the corruption is just incredible. i mean, just stinks entitled the invitation for me just thinks the decision to extend his term for one year come to me on a rid about this. i'm absolutely confident he wants those little delayed european commission, president speed to take care of it next year. next. next summer, exactly when the time is available, when the post is up when installed and that goes out is exactly the same months when she ends of time here been commission. another double want me that why does she need this job? because of notice where the leads, you might go to the product, protect one another, and s the dentist needs protective. she is up to a neck in corruption obligations because there's massive size that deal with she signed off and she was part of and guess what? i was surprised, surprised. the husband just so happens to own a company owned by size. uh kelcy please. you know,

a little closer previous to come with uh is that when the various investigations m . e. p level and you have been pharma, your been on but some, even a user, nancy fault, deposit themselves when the old oscar didn't match. i'm president. can we just have your telephone to look at the text messages that you sent to find the bosses? she says, oh well, you know, all these things are sort of federal and i think of just deleted them. oh yeah. maybe you can sort of up. yes. but then it has a big major of the investors as invest to like new york times german media as well . assuming you know this soon because it, because they believe in old fashioned values, which i used to believe in study years ago. you know, the power of the preston pool is a phrase page. you know, here's those techs on your property. so, you know, and we need to see the, i think the, it just shows guides it. this is just a racket. ok, and that's what it is because it's really interesting. again,

going back to, you know, just the opposing stilton version blinking rubber software, who's talking in front of a, a body that know when it comes probably heard over even cares about is these are being bar limit, which, which, which, which i give kudos the i is visual george, you know the name that iris and pc actually pushed back, but we never heard the response from from stilton. but, but it's interesting is that us policy is shafting not only ukraine, but also the european union. okay. because it's really dealing with it blinking a so obsessed with post war. i mean, i guess he's, you know, he's going to for the europeans or foot, the bill or something like that. and because of course, you know, both your capitalism. but it's, it seems that it's, it's a seamless program for blinking, and it's basically about arms of arms be care, man to, you know, we have this g, a money laundering operation. you know, where you send money, but oh,

it is get suddenly comes back. it was something verbs of virginia. it's a racket. yes it is there. i guess. as you said, the model that they've um landed on is this uh, model of israel somehow. well, we will actually have a formal literature line, so that will know what and i should be on the hook to go to war and you know they have um, but we will be sending you an awful lot of uh, military equipment. uh, a courtesy of uh, america tax, but it is going to just be sending you a so everything that you want which is still good to have to do the uh, the fighting yourself. no, she told them. but however, as they always would be the one for all an oil for one, you know, he will, he has a very different model in mind. they get one once you brady's in the bottom,

where we're all good to go and fight the new brains being hot and the americans are basically say, no, i mean they said that before bill is and with blinking and i mean, he's not even making any promises that it will be a native membership for you at any time. i mean, she showed them bucks that yes, well we skipped the, the membership action plan phase, but that's just because we're really, really moving foster was late to membership. well, the americans, the thing that we skipped the membership action plan because those oh, there to be a membership. so there's no point in the industry of action. perhaps even though it is going to be, uh, you know, send the sending, you know, everything. so now already they say, or we're going to send this a to a c m s. um ms. uh, so just gonna keep doing it. but ultimately, i mean, we're just gonna, you know, you're going to be do think, doing the dying and again, the ukrainians, the ones who made this the all take. but again, i mean the history of it because they're, you know,

they go to the military and the state is harming americans that are getting killed . and all these might symbolic dishes, like made wrong than others. like why gleeful about it. hey, wasn't here. this is a good bargain in our industries, i'm making money. we're not getting killed. i mean, it is a stupid enough to once it gets sharp up on the front blinds. that's the look out. so it's a very cynical operation. um, but the, there's been no pushback from the europeans one. well, they also martin again going back to blinking strip. you know, of, obviously i didn't see everything you had to say, but i saw a large chunks of it. there's nothing about the, the counter offensive. what a plan b, it's a whole about and george is right. not about nato. it's just like how we're going to move forward after the conflict. and the problem with that kind of magical thinking is that you're not taking the russian side into account. i mean, they're going to, when did they decide to stop, stop lighting when did they decide when they believe that they secured their goals,

and one of them is not made the nato membership, are you crazy? so again, blinking is completely disconnected from reality. mark disconnected about do like your friends, lincoln's trip. what do you actually suggest to use this thing is of doing hotline, but i'm not come to it. so i'm 15 minutes probably before he makes the i i've heard that such things happen in care, but we'll leave it at that. okay, cool. oh, yeah. but you know, where is all this heavy? i think i think what we're experiencing now is this a big issue? and i think the good thing is because we're running up to dr. barton and suppose the re election stuff. and um, so we don't really know where we are. there's also the fact that there is a huge gap now in, in the middle, from military submitting to minutes just perspective. um, lots of top off um f sixteens. i was quite shocked to see the headlines a few weeks ago. i'm from putnam ministration approves european f 16 and you know, it's like a good idea of oh, hold that thought i have to jump in here. we have to go to

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um, the latest headlines are, is that something like 60 f sixteens dating back to the 1970s will be procured from a number of european countries. um, but how this is going to happen and why america isn't contributing any themselves is rather old. i find and i'm and so does it got this hello and how do we fill that gap? you know, what are they earliest opportunity? what was the f sixteens in ukraine? i think. well realistically, be next summer. some people are saying may be spring, but i've just read today that the pilots, the training pilot, so needs to be sent city to you. okay. so a training before they stop the actual f. 16 training. so what is the training in the u. k? is it language lessons? i'm wondering if the role of my country honestly in the train well interested in but also m e b, b,

b. they use the infrastructure that is needed to maintain these play of okay, they're all, but they're still sophisticated, relatively for other air forces in the world. what about these air strips? i mean, do they exist in georgia? we shifted to you so well. the f. 16 air scripts to be somehow magically immune from being attacked. i mean, and then you know, all of the spare parts of the fuel and all that. i mean, this is a major, major undertake. i don't believe it's going to ever happen. i think it's, i think it's just, they're talking out of their sleep, george. right. but just the ascending more and more stuff and it goes in the for your grade is going to be what's the next thing that they go to the need? i mean, we, you know, we, we had the drum b though, we need the, the, the, the time, any of the drum and tanks. so the name of the gentleman dies that way. we need the american tanks. i go, you go to the, the m one abrams. thanks. i don't know what i would need the f sixteens. okay. go the 60 ins or what?

well, now we need this a, d, m, as ms. uh, the way you go that. so go to, we've got the next thing that's going to turn the tide because it hasn't done so. i mean it. and what was interesting is, um, let me go back to the point about blinking, delusional talk. is that a blinking for us to say that you probably well, this comprehensive, very, very successful, basically 50 percent of what the temperature russia gain since it started it's operation. 50 percent has been one bag by ukraine. and then you look at the washington po, as you know, they actually get a show to show the map. there's nothing like 50 percent, i mean they're just so you know, they just, they're just making this up and up to the 50 percent of the territory. there was nothing like it. i mean is, is, you know, the green is a one very small amount of territory back, but it's not nothing like 50 percent. that means it's still an enormous rabbits are true that russia has game, but yeah, they just keep fueling this uh, this delusion. and the question is, what, what's the end game here?

and none of them nama, and here they are, the do have something in common with the show them, but blinking sullivan, they're not able to spell out well what, what's your, what's your in game here? was oh, yeah, well, you know, we, we, we got to show a democracy is, prevails over uh, autocracies, colton, you know, most must be stopped. uh, you know, you know, you, you, your most be saved from the boot. and so i gave him the, you know, they're not able to spell out even what they're trying to do, all of them. well, let's just keep this going and tell everyone what a fantastic successive has been, which it has. well, it is easy just to continue with that. marty it's, it's very interesting. you have these pundents as a rush has already been defeated or it's it's losing. okay. it's what, what was it georgia think you're the one that does um, pointed it out to me. right. rush is a diminished power of power that is being diminished and then well,

that just brings up the question. if it brush it is, be, is a diminishing, it's out of diminishing trajectory those. those are the words. then why shouldn't ukraine be in nature? they don't need nato if they're diminishing rushes, military power. the 2nd issue here is obsession with square meters. i find that a nonsensical if you go back again, if you just listen to what people say was stephen cohen would say, put yourself in the other guy shoes. you know, the russian objective is be nice vacation in demilitarization. it's demilitarized thing. you great, it's not seeking territory per se. now that may change in the future when russia has its own offensive. my point in bringing up those 2 points is that the, the, the, the narratives are so skewed. i mean, there's nothing past each other. and i think that's an intentional again, but on the, on the part of the blankets and all the rest of them and actually skewed i guess i

think the point made by all but in the interview with them, a tough guy was bringing him. he said, look, the west just doesn't understand russia, and this is the problem. you know, you have this different ideas, different perspectives on democracy, the state building and the future of, of how people consider on the countries. russians placed huge emphasis on the size and unity of the country, 1st and foremost before so called western ideas of democracy and entry gentlemen, accountability to elected officials. and we don't get that. we don't understand that, but russia, russia will never give in. with this, you bring into it no matter what the case is. i mean, made the 2nd point this it was, the ukraine would never, ever have the numbers. when we talk about soldiers, let me talk about the some of them. they will never be able to match what russia is producing and so, you know, the new idea as well, okay, maybe, maybe the more should be moved. it should be transferred to the sky. can we,

you know, have a lot of f sixteens and mix, and that would be an amazing media destruction for at least 6 months or year just so we can get to 2024. before i would put money on trump coming back in, i mean i would put literally put my grandmother savings on it. i really do think it's an, it's inevitable. the front of you turn the screws the motion. you put the guy in jail. i'm always just guaranteed to, to run this press the but there is this delusion there is this a folk over these, these, this frontier and the general list of just playing along with this and producing more fake news. i mean, it's not being picked up. it is interesting how will she generate recently talked about the ukraine on me, making some sort of achievement along that front line, the russian, the russian defense line 3 lines inside of these concrete set of dragons cheats. but still true, they didn't make it. i mean, if you kind info says break through those 3 lines of jo dragons teeth, you don't think that's going to be on the front page,

the guardian for us. and then you can say, you know, where's the skis $1000000000.00? it didn't happen. it won't happen. well, you have and what you'll find is some of the villages on the other side, some of the villages, the rest of it was holding onto it on the other side, in the ukraine side. and sometimes they give them up. they get bored with them, they get rest of them. you know, you kindful, take the village and suddenly everybody pulls out a sofa and stuff today. oh, the self is, you know, the big one village in population of state and we do a one time was 43 people. so i mean, we're talking about, it's not going to work out the scope resort value have on the show. often said recently that there were a number of cases that he supported of the training. so his offices going, working on foot and going through these dragons teeth, taking sofas themselves, personal social media, and then scuffling back so that that's how pathetic it is. you know, that's really where we are with the crime or what the charge also in the mix. here

was the rest of the you go to color moist ski, but believe to be one of the sponsors of a, of zalinski when he was running for president. but arrested on fraud, which none of us is bikes for. but yeah, um this whole pushed to this anti corruption. so it was like 15 minutes ago, you couldn't talk about corruption and ukraine now. it's like, there's always days cleaning it all up. okay. though there still will be an audit here. what do you read into the, what the weight? is it a consolidation? because it seems to me that drugs gives even more isolated and making them even more dependent on, on washington. he doesn't have to listen. anybody in the european union, he doesn't care because the americans don't care what's going on there. and this cannot be coincidental. well, i think it's, uh, it is consolidation. it's a matter of ensuring the p,

if is completely subordinate to america because requirements and i called them once, gave someone that they might because i've never been very happy about. they think he's very untrustworthy. i mean, not just the corruption, they don't go so much that you know, he likes money. i mean, you know, who does a it was it small that, um they, they think that he might just see if he can work out some kind of a deal with the other options besides things in the past. um, you know, some years ago in which he pretty much is the said, what is all this? but this will be a visual him, i think it was 2017 that the americans are ready to fight to the last ukrainian. they don't really care about all. well, that they're just using us as a battering ram against russia. i mean, this is very all this, but it was all this to go to a musket 10 years ago when you bloss things like that. about it. in interviews with the new york times, the americans really don't appreciate it very much and they put cold on mice. get all the sanctions list already some time ago. and the now they have, you know, but the things of ends get well enough already. you know,

you've got to get him out, you got to get out all of the people around you who may think this is nuts. we need to work something out. now where, you know, we're, we're just being led to the store to buy the united states. they don't care about us, you know, where, where, where just a, uh, a nice simple uh tool and, and i think they will, they will, they want everyone like that are still, which is another one. i think they want the demo as well as anyone, anyone which is talk some sense has got to be moved out of the way in the, in, in, in those that remain the same. it still can participate and benefit from the graphs because every time you compare to going to visual sets up by way above another 1000000000 for you. if you don't really buy that linux, the cushions on the couch, we're really good for you are. yeah. and the extraordinary done it, isn't it so? so funny that done. when we look, an american and british press coverage of the claim will one thing we don't see.

one thing that we should see, but we've done se, is we'd never see profile pitches, but profile pieces of equipment officials, now we do protocol pictures, big pieces of our own officials around ministers. you know, there's a big joke going around, breast them. now the moment about this new defense minister, we just, um that's a prime minister, has just installed. it has no experience. it's over in the ministry. doesn't even know when fargo yeah. but in new train, we don't see these profiles on these top people because that would be really difficult when that that'd be ready or put out. do you do profiles on people who are living in multi 1000000 dollar villas, you know, have a complete entourage, buddy gods, and i think up to those and own real estate in, in, in the bahamas and, and, etc, etc, etc. the funny picture. so placing on section made, it might be faked, it might be photoshop, but it's very funny. it's a picture of the ukrainian lead to an m p is by media assembly. i wasn't named up to the picture. there's a 2 picture double shots. one is the beginning of the pinball of what she's

extremely skinny holding. i can't $47.00 smiling towards the camera, and more recent photographs of how shall i say being rather large and out. and 11 to this. you know, what do guys do when they suddenly get lots of money to do a little more so it can be a great diet for some and certainly raising robin. and unfortunately gentlemen, we've run out of time on, i think, my guess in budapest and remember to catch them. i think our viewers were watching us think our teach the next time. remember across stuff is the,

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