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be attended by the russian president vladimir putin out of course, our crew will be staying put here to cover and to bring you all the licensed the direct. so all the brakes institute, a new daily pin on the sink and job slash are set to reset the content is going to be a focal points of new investments. so thinking centers are struggling with problems research, we had 20 is back. so china is helping damian infrastructure index, how big they mean education sector that shows has been done. mean $35.00, those at the machinery, the mining the oil and all this. china, india, a show is very important in africa because you don't know if it goes green very fast, china to show and be go it and it is slowly a free guys going to go at 6 to 7 percent, lot of up to 30 for us for me, this concept is all about inviting people from those countries to speak. they might
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be really free. but some kind of neil calling them is only still their rent their own have twice, but they have to work for foreign companies. wanted understanding this concept as a new things, it means that is it opens for you decide what is good for you, which is not really good. so climate change for a bundle of these for if you can, countries as very, very serious problem. but you know, usually the open, the news, nobody's talking about what he finds, we account for the hearing on the international is always appreciated. that will be back to the top of the hours, tend to move the hello. i'm going to a chan you are to and, and the modus operandi tech tightens around the world are sounding be alarms. they are calling on lawmakers everywhere to pump the brakes on and merging
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a technology. so when the so called and god father of a guy, jeffrey hampton announced his resignation from google earlier this year, citing his regret for developing such tech will examine how the world's top 2 economies are handling these warnings. all right, let's get into the m o. the v us and china, the world's top 2 economies have been locked in an economic war since the trump era in 2018 when donald trump levels unprecedented terrace on china. i move that aimed to encourage americans to buy made in america by making chinese and ports more expensive, but the fight didn't actually begin there, but actually started back under brock obama when then the obama administration launched a number of complaints against china with the w t. o,
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the world trade organization. mister obama made no qualms about his position, saying this quote. i will go anywhere in the world to open new markets for american products. and i will not stand by when our competitors don't play by the rules. we've brought trade cases against china at nearly twice the rate as the last administration, and it's made a difference. i was brock obama back in january of 2012. so it's no wonder that the tech wars are tech race between the super powers have reached the levels that it has even to the point that experts in the industry find chilly or calling on law makers to rein it in. so joining us to discuss is and the mock he is a senior research fellow at the center for china and globalization. you can follow andy on twitter at andy lock. that's m okay. andy lock at twitter. all right, andy,
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thank you so much for joining us. so 1st, can you give us an overview of china? is new draft legislation on a, i mean, what are the main principles of it? how might you compare or perhaps contrast china getting ahead of this kind of tech as compared to the us approach. that's such an important question. manila, i think, to understand this, we need to 1st understand china's legal system in general. so the us talks a lot about separation of powers which really separates political power vertically. but in the us, a political towers also fragmented part of san to lee as well. meaning that there are certain things that can be done at the national level that may not translate to the state level, may not translate to the municipal. however, china is vertically integrated as far as on to be integrated from
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a legal and political perspective. so what this means is that it is able to not only can see the informants and enforce important new laws or sets of laws including those around artificial intelligence and the digital economy in general. so what we're looking at with the draft a i regulations is a whole listed and systematic approach that considers the technological breakthroughs the business implications, but also the effect on society and national security as well. so i think what we can expect from this is a comprehensive, well followed out of law sort of. ready sees that not only work on paper, but also can be implemented at the national provincial, municipal, even neighborhood love this as well in china. i think this makes china very, very different from the u. s. and perhaps most other countries. all right,
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so this sounds like it's scalable. the approach the china is taking so far. now the carnegie endowment for international peace wrote a very short article, but in a fact, sees china as sort of a testing grounds for such laws to rein in a high, perhaps a model for how other countries may approach ethical concerns. and most interesting to me, and they only touch on this one was the question around a ton of his weapons and arms control. seeing as the u. s. has recently used really bellicose language towards china regarding taiwan. will china be open to discussing autonomous military tech with the us going forward? so those are 2 very separate questions. manila, let me address them each in turn. so is china kind of a, a proving ground, a testing site for this was i think absolutely it is. so if we look at the other
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very dramatic technological breakthrough in modern times, that was the rise of the internet. and that's that, that's all the president of the united states. it's 5 bill prints made funded. hi. they funded china by saying that by trying to control the internet of control information on the internet that that would be like nailing jello into the wall. so good luck with that. and in fact we're trying to demonstrate it was not only could it quote unquote nail jello to the wall, but in fact it was vitally necessary to do so. so what we've seen all around the world and in the states is that an unmanaged intrigue in results in terrible things happening, not only online offline as well. so just information,
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cyber bullying, but even violence in the bill. so i think china is a habits occurred here. ready comes to these kinds of regulations, and we may see other countries, even the united states, copy some of the principles, the laws of the procedures and policies, but tonight it is around artificial intelligence. so to the 2nd part of the question, if we look at what's going on and of course uh a uh, what are you looking at general today? i other types of artificial. ready is a general purpose of technology, which means that it can be used for business use for education. and as you touched on, it can be used for in military affairs. and this is a very, very important aspect that has many, many people concern everything from if you watch science fiction movies like the terminator could these weapons one day to turn on their masters and destroyed man 5
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a 2. could they be enormously disruptive at the hands of a few minutes while we see a weapons? so certainly, i think every country around the world recognizes the importance of some sort of agreements to manage these risk. and i think china is though different. um, we have to see what the us does in terms of its future actions. and you think recognize here is that the are important past dependence. meaning that if the u. s . does continue with this very bellicose course of action is increasingly pocketed . and that's good for you, and it has behaviors towards china. i would say it's hard to imagine this not influencing how trying to use the development of a weapons. so certainly i think it would be a win for the world if we tend choose between the us. in particular,
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these us probably asians can be dialed down. it'll be a number of benefits, including a more rational and a better set of policies around a i, in the military, you know, as the development of generative ai or chatbox chat, g, p, t and, and all of that accelerate and technology, technologically advanced countries, you know, such as china, russia, the us, all these various e u countries. what sort of disparities do for see growing between these welfare countries versus, you know, countries which are not quite there yet, the still developing nations when, what is this actually wide in the gap in wealth disparity? well, that's such a great question. vanilla. typically we've seen these kinds of technologies, especially information technologies wide in the gap between the have. so we have no,
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i just, i think we can make some good arguments that what we see in well disparities and developed countries, especially in places like united states between c e o is an average worker. ready or are these are the heads of these tech titles like the google's, like the facebook's really is driven by these advances in technology. however, it was a, i, it might be a little bit more of a double edge sword. and that, of course, of these technologies can, of wide in the gap between the have some of the have nots. but there's also some evidence to show that they actually empower people in the middle of towards the bottom of whatever a hierarchical bladder that we're thinking. and allows them to be more competitive within whatever system they're operating in. so i would not say that only and
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vigorously that this is going to widen. the gap is the digital gap, but certainly we do need to pay attention to this as a, to you, to one of the big concerns. many people that are following these develop, which is the concentration of economic power. those big tech companies have. we seen china of course, that this is something that the government does recognize and is not only able but willing, willing ad. ready to take action to prevent this kind of over concentration. how about within each of these countries? um, domestically let's just take the us as one example. there is great concern that the rapid pace at which a, i couldn't make jobs such as customer service call centers, obsolete. how do you view the anticipated tech takeover of these types of jobs? it is the fear warranted and should us lawmakers actually intervene?
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so certainly the impact of any major technological breakthrough on employment is an important topic. we can look at electricity. uh that put many people out of jobs. uh the internet is to be touched on earlier. also had a dramatic impact not only in well distribution, but unemployment as well. so similarly, i think a, i a is expected by many to have a profoundly disruptive impact on white collar jobs that traditionally saw to be se accountants lawyers. i've even seen chad, t p t being used to run a and f. what do you want to invest in stock? so perhaps even warren buffets a job may be at risk. so this is certainly a concern of some of the more optimistic side believe that this could lead to what
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so call a post scarce europe and meaning that we can produce so much of everything through a generative ai, ai. ready link to 3 d printing, that there will be no scarcity of anything in the world, and we would reach a sort of a communist utopia. perhaps the marks might be smiling down from heaven at this prospect. all right, coming up next, would you let a guy decide your fate in a court of law? we'll discuss it when we return with and the mock sit tight, the m. o will be right back. the of the
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yeah, yeah, that's a way to look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is it conflict with the 1st law? show your mind, anticipation. we should be very careful about our professional intelligence at the point, obviously is to great trust rather than ship the various brain with the artificial intelligence. we have somebody with the in the robot must protect this phone. existence was only exists, the,
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the welcome back to the m o i manila chant. so there's been a lot of talk surrounding a i taking jobs from the working class. but what about exclusive career paths like judges, or maybe even sunday lawmakers themselves a. andy mach senior fellow at the center for china and globalization is back. thank you for sticking with us and the so in china, so it's not why we use just yet. there's a legal ai platform called shout about gong intelligence, intelligence sentencing prediction system. now it's been used by judges and prosecutors and criminal law. they're the system suggest penalties based on big
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data analysis of cases in its system and greens, from judgements of previous similar cases made by a human judge. now could this lead to fair sentencing, you know, an argument long made here against us sentencing process, ease, uh, which communities of color are here say are overwhelmingly harsher on that. welcome to another very, very good question. um, so we all know the humans are valuable. uh, they have biased sees that they may recognize a we have biases, we might not recognize. so at least in theory, a n a i, a algorithm or application could certainly results in a more fair search and see. but of course, the devil, some details. one of the biggest areas of research and development in artificial
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intelligence is what i believe they call alignment that we don't want to inadvertently apply biases or other assumptions or principles mistakenly that would result in outcomes that whoever the people are that decides these things to realize are not actually in alignments with the good society, but i think here again, to contrast the us and china is that the chinese approach from a government perspective is very rational as scientific. where is the us to large degree is based on face and by the ology that may not necessarily be grounded in facts, empiricism, meaning, observing what really happens in the real world and adapting your approach based on
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that. so i think we have to see, but one of the things certainly, i think that china brings to the table not only a large market, not only a large stem contingent to science, technology, engineering, management, scientists, engineers, etc. but also the ability to conduct many of these, quote unquote experiments to look at what are the most effective an appropriate ways to apply artificial intelligence. again, i come back to this, a very important idea of the a i is a g p t gen, a general purpose technology. meaning that it can be used for almost anything we can imagine. so, stay tuned and worth noting a i can only assess the data that it's given. so if adjudicated cases by human judges were particularly harsh the a a,
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i would then use that as part of its calculation. so, you know, as only as good as the data, it's given, right? so yeah, the on a philosophical note, what are your thoughts more broadly on how a i might impact mankind as a whole. will this tech be good for us, or will this lead to our own ruin? why thank you again. if many of these scientists and other people involved are developing a, i are correct. one of the unique things about artificial intelligence compared to other technologies, is just the range of possible outcomes. so, well, you, i think maybe that's debatable, but what i mean by this is certainly there are credible people saying that a i at least, potentially is dangerous to the level of a and extinction events for mankind. so of course,
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that would be very bad for humans. to others say that this could result in not only a post scarcity economy, but what, what, how humans to be of god's meaning that they are not only are missions, they know everything, but they're also immortal rate. kurtzweill, who wrote a book many years ago called the singularity, predicted this that because of the dances and computing and an artificial intelligence that humans would either be able to biologically forever or be recreated with us sensing it's in the cloud and achieve their mortality that way. so i think the range is, is very, very broad. one other thing i want to go back to is one of the challenges of a i, which we think about a sentence sentence. is that a lot of times a guy works, as you say by looking at the data. it gives better realtors,
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but we don't know why. so just this for many humans requires a comprehensive doing. so we don't know why person a got a very har substance in person, the head of god of great lenient subjects, even though quote unquote, those are the correct outcomes based on an analysis of the data that could be problematic. so again, this raises a post of intriguing questions that i think we'll all be discovering the answers to last. and it, as the tech wars around the world heat up. do you see a need for a global treaty on this matter? like, you know, like what we saw with the old start treaty between the us and then soviet union, or perhaps more recently the jcp away the around nuclear deal. and how do we even get there to this global unified position on
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a safety when the world seems more at odds now than it ever did during the cold war? that's a tough question to answer manila. so one of the differences between a i or cyber weapons, we general one, compare them to nuclear weapons. is that with nuclear weapons part of the values letting your adversary know happen. and of course, it's easy to verify, relatively easy to verify. the existence of these weapons of the issue with cyber weapons. and i would put perhaps a guy in this category is what makes them voltage is actually your adversary not utilizing their suspecting that you have that capability. so this makes it very, very difficult to have a greater transparency around these kinds of weapons. and i think this is the conceptual hurdle that has to be addressed. and perhaps they'll be
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a way to solve it. but another way, or this is if countries can this more for ammonia sleep together, and if countries do not see the gemini or to interfere in these areas of other countries, then certainly that reduces the likelihood of conflict. where a i webinar, cyber web, or even nuclear or other conventional type of weapons we used, and a mock from the center for china and globalization. thank you so much for this insightful conversation. now i don't know about you, but this rapid advancement of a goes beyond the uncanny valley as 1st positive by the japanese robotics professor masa. here, a more a back in 1970. this is letting a faceless algorithm within a computer guide humanity. i don't know something kind of creepy about that. all
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right, that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila chan. thank you so much for tuning and we'll see you again next time to figure out the the what i would show they just don't have to shape house after kids and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will depart. we choose to look for common ground, the
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