hello, and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on getting a level stilton bird versus blinking, watching and wants to keep the conflict in your brain going, but doesn't want to be on the hook or going in and fighting on ukraine's behalf. this of course, is what nato membership with me the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we cross the george semi while he's a pod cast, read the guy, but which be found on youtube and locals. are a gentleman, prospect rules that affect, that means you can jump any time you want that. i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out in budapest, george. even discuss our gamble. pod cast the but different messaging we heard last week coming from the same stories. they blanket and nato head, stolt, and bird. they couldn't be more different,

but we've been told all we have is western unity in the last step. but when blinking was it in um to look for the photo off of eating mcdonalds. um, he projected a very different message. what, what, what, what was the point of, um, of, uh you think the difference there between the 2 messages? well, stilton bug is the front man. so a need so. uh, so he comes out every few days, weeks or whatever. and the glass that was made. so is the way forward for all countries and nato membership where ukraine is almost a done deal is just uh, we just gotta do the finish the paperwork. uh now um, blinking then goes to uh to and he makes no mention of later, but i told them i told them to talk on those uh no mention of need. so those are the great deal about america's commitment to ukraine. um,

but he doesn't say anything about nato. now, why is this? well, the bite, the ministration knows that, um, if you crane is in nate's so then the united states is on the hook. i mean, these basic united states is at war with russia. so that's already what the united states wants. uh, the when i say does want to keep this war going. um, best doesn't care about the loss of lives. doesn't care about the, the, the, the ways the results doesn't make us plenty of resources to weighs. um, but it doesn't want to get it. so in the direct war with russia they're still debarred really doesn't care about the shelter, but just as well. that's great. the, you know, we've got this wonderful club. we now have, we're gonna have 32 members in the, you know, in the next few weeks and study in the once you crate in. and that'll be his grades try um, but the american saying, well, not so fast. you know, may,

may just basically a collection of dead beads and militarily inconsequential powers, the only power of the masses is the united states and the ice a doesn't want to get himself into a world. so that's why, you know, start to book and go on saying what he wants to say. you know, he's the chairman of this, the board of this call of the united states is the ones that say out of a very dangerous, so well for it. so what's the martin, what's interesting to with, with lincoln's visit be though i thought it was a little very fringe. i'm having a photo off at a cemetery, and that's lincoln's dirty work best as his paper. okay. i, i don't know who is doing the optics, but it was printing and where are the here but it's, it's, it's interesting that during blankets, visit the co to get more money of course. but i don't know. i was rather taken aback, but he was talk so much about post war ukraine. i mean, what,

where is this coming from? i think what? no one, none of us we don't know. i don't know if anybody really knows how this is going to be resolved. but he wants to talk about what your queen is going to be like afterwards when we don't even know what you claim. well, we won't even know what it's geographical. borders will be barton or anyone. faintly objective about that you quinn will read it regardless of whether you take sides or not. i mean, anybody who is able to get some distance and look up the, the grand will sign spring comes narrative really, but not. i mean, it really is just so weird how somebody can be. so spectacularly misinformed isn't misinformed or is this delusion the leave has been detached, the very much detached from the spanish. so you think that you're, you're watching um a so made a training session. well, you know that with the train is to come up with this. some traditions country on

this fictitious rule, and we can just talk about, i'm talking points, i'm working on r t messaging, but this isn't, isn't really not in the real well, you know, i'm, i'm not so some of those features in the bus. and i just wonder, is this the result? is this the combination of years and years and years of wisdom? this information said from intelligence agencies to, to solve a media. going to such an extreme, you know, when media now is just believing it is a narrative where you have the politicization of intelligence and when you have a blessed list of intentions. unfortunately, the impact on media is a 100 times less, you know, and you have general as to what just writing fiction basically is it, this is, this is bring to the cut off the subjugation of all of that. i'm wondering whether it is, i mean, we talk about nature and stopped him, but now it has since been with us was given a one year extension by by them. um, you know, the corruption is just incredible. i mean just stinks entitlement ization for me

just stinks the decision to extend his term for one year. come to me and i've written about this. i'm absolutely confident he once those little delayed european commission, president speed to take care of it next year. next, next summer, exactly when the term is available, when the post is up, when starting back is out, is exactly the same most when she ends a time here been commission. another double want me that why does she need this job? because i'm not just with the leads in my vis a to the product, protect one another, and s the dentist needs protective. she is up to a neck in corruption obligations because there's massive fines that deal with she's signed off on the she was part of. and guess what, a surprise, surprise. the husband just so happens to own a company owned by pfizer. kelcy, please. you know what you're supposed to come with uh is that when the various investigations m. e p level and you have been pharma. your been on but it's month

even a use an answer referral. deposit themselves. when the old oscar didn't much i'm president. can we just have your telephone to look at the text messages that you sent to pfizer bosses? she says, oh, well, you know, all these things are so ephemeral and i think of just deleted them all that maybe you can sort of that b s, b and that has a big major of the investors as invest to like new york times german media as well, the suing you know, the ceiling because it, because they believe in old fashioned values, which i used to believe in study years ago. you know, the power of the preston pool is a free speech. you know, use those techs on not your property as a, you know, and we need to see the, i think the, it just shows guides it. this is just a racket. ok, that's what it is. it's really, it's really interesting. again, going back to, you know, just opposing stilton version blinking rubber software, who's talking in front of, of a body. but knowing it tennis probably heard over even care of his buddies. these

are being bar limit, which, which one, which i give kudos the as usual, george, you know the name that iris and she actually pushed back, but we never heard the response from us from stilton. but, but it's interesting is that us policy is shafting not only ukraine, but also the european union. okay. because it's really and dealing with it blinking to so obsessed with post war. i mean, i guess he's, you know, he's got a football player, pennsville foot, the bill or something like that in because of course, you know, both your capitalism. but it's the same is that it's, it's a seamless program for blinking. and it's basically about arms of arms be care, man to, you know, we have this just a money laundering operation. you know, where you send money, but oh, it does get suddenly comes back. it was something verbs of virginia. it's a racket. yes, it is there. i guess, as you said, the model that they've um landed on is this uh,

model of israel somehow. well, we will actually have a full military line. so that will know what and i should be on the hook to go to war and you know they have um, but we will be sending you an awful lot of uh, military equipment. uh, a courtesy of uh, america tax. but it is going to just be sending you a so everything that you want, which is still good to have to do the uh, the fights in your so no, i showed them. but however, as they always would be the one for all an oil, for one, you know, he will, he has a very different model in mind that you know, once your brain is in, then we're, we're all good to go and fight the new brains, being hot and the americans are basically say, no, i mean they said that before bill is and with blinking, i mean, he's not even making any promises that it will be

a native membership for you at any time. i mean, she showed them bucks that yes, well we skipped the, the membership action plan phase, but that's just because we really, really moving foster was late to membership. well the americans, the thing that we skipped the membership action plan because the to be a membership. so, so there's no point in the feedback. sure, but i think it is going to be, uh, you know, send the sending, you know, everything. so now already they say, or we're going to send this a to a c m s, um ms. uh, so just gonna keep doing it, but ultimately, i mean, we're just going to, you're going to be do think, doing the dying and again, the ukrainians, the ones who made this idiotic bargain. i mean, the history of the, the, the right because they're, you know, they go to the military and the state is harming americans that are getting killed as well as all of these might symbolic dishes, like made wrong than others. like why gleeful about it. hey, wasn't here, this is a good bargain. you know,

our industries are making money. we're not getting killed, right? i mean, it is a stupid enough to, once it gets sharp up on the front lines, that's the look out. so it's a very cynical operation. but the, there's been no pushback from the europeans one. well, they also do the martin again going back to blinking strip. you know, of, obviously i didn't see everything you had to say, but i saw a large chunks of it. there's nothing about the, the counter offensive. what a plan b, it's a whole about and george's, right, not about nato. it just said how we're going to move forward after the conflict. and the problem with that kind of magical thinking is that you're not taking the russian side into account. i mean, they're going to, when did they decide to stop? stop lighting? when did they decide when they believe that they secured their goals? and one of them is not made the nato membership for you. great. so again, blinking is completely disconnected from reality. mark this, connect to them. i do like your friends, lincoln's trip. what do you actually suggest to use this thing is of doing hotline,

but i'm not come to it. so i'm 15 minutes probably before he makes the i i've heard been such things happen in care, but we'll leave it at that. okay, cool. oh, yeah, but you know, where is all this heavy i think i think what we're experiencing now is this a big us see? and i think them to gucci is because they're running up to dr. barton, suppose the re election and stuff. and um, so we don't really know where we are. there's also the fact that there is a huge gap now in, in a minute, from military submitting, tremendous perspective, lots of top off um f sixteens. i was quite shocked to see the headlines a few weeks ago or from the ministration approves european f. 16 and you know, it's like a good idea of oh, hold that thought i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine, stay with r t a or the

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a number of european countries. but how is this going to happen? and why america isn't contributing any themselves, is rather old. i find, and i'm, and so does it got there's a low and how do we fill that gap? you know, what are they earliest opportunity? what was the f sixteens in ukraine? i think, well realistically, be next summer. some people saying may be spring, but i've just read today that the pilots, the training part of it. so it needs to be sent to the to u. k. for training before they stop the actual f. 16 training. so what is the training in the u. k? is it language lessons? i'm wondering if the role of my country honestly in the training will interest in martin. also let me bea, bea, bea, are you the infrastructure that is needed to maintain these play? okay, they're all that they're still sophisticated, relatively for other air forces in the world. what about these air strips? i mean, do they exist in georgia? me see if that to you so well, the f,

16 air scripts be somehow magically immune from being attacked. i mean, and then you know, all of the spare parts of the fuel and all that. i mean, this is a major, major undertake. i don't believe it's going to ever happen. i think it's, i think it's just, they're talking out of their sleep, george. right. but just the ascending more and more stuff and it goes in the for your grade is going to be what's the next thing that they go to and aid? i mean we, you know, we, we had the drum b though, we need the, the, the, the tags and the, the drum and tank. so then there we go, or the gentleman dies. that way. we need the american tanks. i go, you go the, the m one abrams things, i don't know what all we need the f sixteens. okay. go the sixteens. oh, now we need this a, d, m, as ms. uh, the way you go that. so go, we've got the next thing that's going to turn the tide because it hasn't done so. i mean, and what was interesting is, um, let me go back to the point, but blinking, delusional talk is that a blinking breast has said that you probably, well,

this counter offensive, very, very successful, basically 50 percent of what the charge of russia games since it's not that it's operation 50 percent has been one by, by ukraine. and then you look at the washington post, you know, they actually get a show to show the map. there's nothing like 50 percent. i mean, it's just a, you know, they just, they're just making this up and up to the 50 percent of the territory. there was nothing like it. i mean is, is, you know, the ukraine is a one very small amount of territory back. but it's not nothing like 50 percent, that means it's still an enormous rabbits are true, but russia if there's game, but yeah, they just keep fueling this uh, this delusion. and then the question is what, what's the in game here? and none of them on my end here they are the do have something and come up with the show them, but blinking sullivan, they're not able to spell out well what, what's your, what's your in game here was, oh yeah, well, you know, we,

we got to show a democracy is, prevails over a autocracies colton. you know, most must be stopped a, you know, you know, you, you, you are a must be saved from the boot. and so a game of the, you know, they're not able to spell out even what they're trying to do, all of them. well, let's just keep this going and tell everyone what a fantastic successive has been, which it has. well, is this a continue with that martin? it's, it's very interesting. you have these pundents as a whole rest has already been defeated or it's, it's losing. okay. it's like what, what was it, george? i think you're the one that does. i'm pointing it out to me, right. rush is a diminished power of power that is being diminished and then, well that this brings up, the question of russia is be, is a diminishing. it's out of diminishing trajectory those. those are the words. then why should ukraine be and nato, they don't need nato if they're diminishing rushes, military power? the 2nd issue here,

this obsession with square meters. i find that a nonsensical if you go back again, if you just listen to what people say was stephen cohen would say, put yourself in the other guy shoes. you know, the russian objective is d notification in the militarization. it's demilitarized thing you break. it's not see thing territory per se, smell that may change in the future when russia has its own offensive. my point in bringing up those 2 points is that the, the, the, the narratives are so skewed. i mean, there's nothing past each other. and i think that's an intentional again, but on the, on the part of the blankets and all the rest of them not just skewed. i guess. i think the point made by a little bit and the interview with the tucker was burning and he said, look, the west just doesn't understand russia. is it the problem? you know, you have this different ideas, different perspectives on democracy,

the state building and the future of, of how people consider around the countries. russians place huge emphasis on the size and unity of the country 1st and foremost before. so cool, west and the idea is of democracy and freedom of accountability to elected officials. and we don't get that, we don't understand that, but russia, russia will never give in with this. you've gotten into it, no matter what the case is. i mean, a to 2nd point visit was the ukraine will never, ever have the numbers. when we talk about soldiers, let me talk about this and we're going to, they will never be able to match what russia is producing. and so, you know, the new idea as well, okay, maybe maybe the more should be moved, it should be transferred to the sky. can we, you know, have a lot of f sixteens, a mix, and that would be an amazing media destruction for at least 6 months. or a year just so we can get to 2024. before i would put money on trump coming back in, i mean i would put literally put my grandmother savings on it. i really do think it's,

it is inevitable, but from newtown the screws, the motion. you put the guy in jail, i'm always just guaranteed to, to run as president. but there is this delusion there. is this a talk over these, these, this frontier and the general list of just playing along with this and producing more fake news? i'm is not being picked up. it is interesting. how will she gentle, very recently talked about the ukraine on me, making some sort of achievement along that front line, the russian, the russian defense line 3 lines. in fact, of these concrete set of dragons cheats. but still true, they didn't make you. i mean, if you going in forces breakthrough, those 3 lines of dragons teeth, you don't thing that's going to be on the front page. the guardian forces and you can study, you know, where's the skis, $1000000000.00? it didn't happen. it won't happen. well, you are having what you'll find to get some of the villages on the other side, some of the villages that rush that it was holding onto on the other side,

in the ukraine side. and sometimes they give them up. they get bored with them to get rest of them. you know, you kindful, take the village and suddenly everybody pulls out a sofa. scottsdale, the self is, you know, the big one village in population of state. we do a one time was 43 people. so i mean, we're talking about village, we're about to handle this a score scott resort value out of the show. awesome. said recently that there were a number of cases that he supported of the training. so his offices going, walking on foot and going through these dragon's teeth, taking sofas themselves personally, most social media, and then scuffling back so that that's how pathetic it is. you know, that's really where we are with the credit or what the charge also in the mix here was the rest of the you go to color moist ski will believe to be one of the sponsors about of bob zelinski when he was running for president. but arrested on fraud, which none of us cuz the personalized bikes. yeah. um this whole push to this

anti corruption. so it was like 15 minutes ago, you couldn't talk of corruption and ukraine. now. it's like the design stays cleaning at all. uh okay. though there still will be an audit here. what do you read into that? what weight is it a consolidation? because it seems to me that drugs gives even more isolated and making them even more dependent on, on washington. he doesn't have to listen. anybody in the european union? he doesn't care because the americans don't care what's going on there. this cannot be coincidental. well, i think it's a, it is consolidation of it's a matter of ensuring the kid is completely subordinate to america's requirements. and i call them royce gaze, someone that they make is i've never been very happy about. they think he's very untrustworthy. i mean, not just the corruption, they don't go so much that you know, he likes money. i mean, you know, who doesn't? um it was it small that they think that he might just see if he can work out some

kind of a deal with the russians. he said things in the past. um, you know, some years ago in which he pretty much is the said, what is all this? but this will be a visit to him. i think it was 2017 that the americans are ready to fight to the last ukrainian. they don't really care about all well that they're just using us as a battering ram against russia. i mean, this is already all this, but it was all this to go to my skin 10 years ago when you blood things like that, about it. in interviews with the new york times, the americans really don't appreciate it very much and they put cold on my skin, all the sanctions list already some time ago. and the now they have, you know, but the settings of ends get well enough already. you know, you've got to get him out, you go to get a hold of the people around you who may think this is nuts. we need to work something out. now where, you know, we're just,

we're just being led to the store to buy the united states. they don't care about us, you know, where, where, where just a, uh, a nice simple uh tool and, and i think they will, they will, they want everyone like that are still, which is another one. i think they want the demo as well. but anyway, anyway, we could talk some sense has got to be moved out of the way at the end and those that remain the same. it's still can participate and benefit from the graphs because every time you know they're going to visual sets up by way above another 1000000000 for you know, really by the next, the questions and the couch. we were really good for you. all right? yeah. and the extraordinary isn't it, isn't it so? so funny, the tongue, let me look an american and british press coverage of the claim will one thing we don't see. one thing that we should see, but we've done se, is we'd never see profile pictures. but profile pieces of equipment officials, you know, now we do protocol pictures, big pieces of our own officials that run ministers. you know, it's

a big joke going around with them. now the moment about this new defense minister, we just, um, it's a prime ministers just installed. it has no experience. it's over in the ministry. doesn't even know when fargo yeah. but in new crane, we don't see these profiles on these top people because that would be really difficult when that they'll be ready or quit. how do you do profiles on people who are living in multi $1000000.00 villas, you know, have a complete entourage, buddy gods, and headed up to those and own real estate in, in, in the bahamas and, and etc, etc, etc. the final picture circulating on section me that it might be face, it might be photoshop. but it's very funny. it's a picture of the ukranian late to an m p. 's by and media assembly. i wouldn't name up until the picture is a 2 picture double shots. one is the beginning of the penguin, where she's extremely skinny, holding a k 47, smiting towards the camera, and more recent photograph of uh, how should i say being rather large and out? and 11 to this, you know,

what do jacks to do when they suddenly get lots of money to do a little more. and so it can be a great diet for some and certainly raising robin. and unfortunately, gentlemen, we've run out of time on a think, my guess in budapest and remember to catch them. i think our viewers were watching us here at our teach the next time. remember across offerings the the the, the

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