or its energy supplies and causing what may have been the single biggest meaning the mission events ever recorded. and environmental catastrophe and now hush the legend region this known for exposing cover ups likely us armies massacre the lion, torture of prisoners and upgrade, joins to be again from washington dc with more revelations, this time reporting that the c, i was well aware that ukrainian president allowed him is lensky and his own to rogers embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars in usaid. thank you so much. i cipher coming back on. i mean, after revealing that the terror attack tell me about this $400000000.00 of us public money and. and i think most american media covers the fact that the, the american public setting, they need $400000000.00 for infrastructure. tell me about the latest scandal trading with the enemy. oh, well, you have to know that the budget right now, the actual money. i think that's the on my government is spent on that war is about 5 months ago was about

a 113000000000 and it's now up to 120. so the $400000000.00 figure when you compare it to that, the great gross amount of money we spent there is almost trivial. but one of the things that really bought the base, i learned that just 2 months ago, the ukraine needs a lot of diesel fuel to keep us army going to keep his trucks going into. they use diesel and it's uh and, and they have, since the war began, they've been buying diesel from russia and, and, and as they weren't supposed to, right. they went to, they're not supposed to be funding the war on landscape, not easily finding the war on zelinski and it's it's just, they were able to apparently, uh, the chest in sales cuz i, that were, they were buying the oil from rush i, i just, i you know, it's just, you know, as

a all, you know, the, the old wind b as a while ago walks and money talks. and the phone to me was just a few. the estimate that i had been told by people i've known for decades. i was, was the skim on just the oil money, but let alone it's sort of disturbing that ukraine's buying oil from russia, which a little more, i mean, but, you know, the oil and money transcends every bit of rationality, i guess. but then to discover the ford demand is it isn't all. i mean, you know, all you have to do is look, look at the high life and key of the day. there's a really good highlights and key and i've, the fancy restaurants are going. you can find liquor stores and everything in it. there's a lot of money being pushed around. and so what happened was, this would have been 3 months ago or so the c i a director, a r c i directed burns bill burn. so it's really

a diplomat that you've never been in the c, i a, he's had a great career or some bass that are to some places including russia by and, but i actually have which edited. when he finishes towards a basset or rush, i wrote him and more, in which a warrant against expanding nato to the east because of the lead the war. but that's not what he likes to talk, which makes it even more with that. he okay. the north stream. uh pipeline. does it have to from your previous article, he was the middle of what he was he was a given. i think the only job major job left when a bite and one got in and by what happened is burns retired from this point, servicing his deputy secretary state and a quite reasonable guy. went to the carnegie foundation as president. and then when button got in the question is what job already have? he wanted the job and foreign policy to the surface. this is the way it works in washington. these are professional the government officials soon once they're in, there's always going to be a job for you and you know, the job, big jump. there was left for c, i a and he took it,

i went guess thinking that maybe if there's a 2nd term uh tony blinking will we retire or something? i have no idea why he took it, but he did. he was the middleman when they um, when the c a and other agencies ran a corporate operations that destroyed the pipeline when he comes of venture in fan, is in the, in this piece about alleged corruption of visit lensky administration. and yeah, because you say that the, your sources are telling you, you guys had words with zelinski, and i should say the sentence he denies old corruption. he was named in the panama papers. but according to you, you're saying that there lensky um, was told off by bill burns, about all is savanski is officials riding around and cabin humans and he's benches and the like the actual message, as i understood. and he was not alone on the trip. so the actual message that is,

there are other people from the community with them, intelligence community, the actual mattress and one of us. lensky was the agenda of the bureaucrats and the general goals are getting very angry at you because you're taking too much of the, of the scam. hope you're taking a bigger cut. and he was given a list of 35 people that were involved in and corrupt activities. zalinski def, fire 10 people on the list, some generals and officers, and some civilian bureaucrats. most of the agencies in the government that normally do contracting work normally do directly with a normally you do a contract with somebody, so blind toilet paper, no contract to paper company. everybody's going to brokers. everybody's now getting 3rd parties involved because that increases the transfer of money on the side. and the corruption, there is just be unbelief that always has been and that doesn't change. and so that's all i was writing about. but you know, like

a lot of the stuff i write about, you know, they keep on saying on names, sources as if, you know, and all those years i was at the new york times when a lot of prizes from my work than you know, back in the seventy's and watergate and stuff like that, and vietnam, could you possibly name sources you're put, put people in jail. but do you know that, you know, you know, we've been talking for years, we know the, you know how to game is we never reveal our sources as the, as the, as use head zalinski did 5 people. i don't know whether that was just to make it look good or whether that was because bill buttons was telling them it was it bill burns that told him just during the 1st 1010 of those who were the most of us that jesus living you know, in the living, well, in the best apartment and showing a lot of money and buying a new cars. and he fired those who were asked and patients was the word. and another 25. just what we're left untouched is, uh why be shocked? it's ukraine's always been at the bottom of the list or the top of the list in

terms of corruption. yeah, i think everyone's shocked in the mainstream media community because that is that lensky is a hero. and it was by parties and bi partisan in congress just and so many billions of dollars with public money when, when you're in a cities are crumbling clearly and perhaps has the dread list in case of drinking the wine, who knows. because, so what you're saying is zelinski is buying or is fueling the war on ukraine by buying russian oil the on the black market rusher most. indeed, diesel is roger is obviously funding ukraine because with north stream gone, it has to be transit fees for gas and going through crow actually. and that's part of it. there were the, you know, this, the price of diesel, but there is still a gas line that was uh, uh, it was operational, i think in the sixty's a long time ago from um,

russia through we do crane uh into is uh, uh, some of the countries um that in less than your own, warsaw block countries, you know, the old member, the warsaw block that existed as, as in opposition to our natal, i guess. oh, it was. and they have to pay the transmission flush opinions. do you think every ever gets more russian continues to pay a transport fee for that pipeline. and oil does flow, but it doesn't go to ukraine. it goes through ukraine and, but a, and there's always been incredible complaints over the years. i mean, for decades about ukraine plugging intuitive legally and size it is sometimes don't pay a lot, but that was before the war is just like, i don't know why i should be giggling a minor because this is really quite a crazy situation. what and as you know, that said that the united states is the funded candidate days on there's all sorts of speeches and talks and concern about the fact that we viewed the fact that

russia has so much oil so much and so much under price oil for years so much very clean methane gas and they've been selling it particularly wanted to europe at $1.00 low price. there's a lot of other keeps everybody warm and happy and the business is flowing. and we always use that as a weapon. russia weapon icing. it's oil. if you will let me know we, i think we, we did talk about it on, on the north stream episode, people going to look at it on rumble. but also in your article, you're talking about weapons, real weapons. and actually there was an american w b i who's randy credit goes in dubai in transit from don't yet see wonder why a comedian was in don't yet, rather than you as a journalist, covering the war. and he saw with his own eyes, the kind of a killing that has been going on with the us time wise and so on. i understand that the exports of arms from ukraine are gaining

traction here. they, they're not just killing web people in your tell me about this booming weapons export market. it was not written about it, but i've obviously heard, you know, i don't know whether they call it the dark margaret or the black market, very early colon romania. other countries on the border were being flooded with weapons where you were shipping for the war to ukraine. and other words, commanders of various, you know, i don't, i don't know what level of often it was in general was it was colonels and others who were given a shipment of some weapons. would personally re sell our retail them back into the black and the dark market and including that were um the, the concern when i, there's a lot of concern just as months after the war began last february when they're included. these handheld a missile guns, missiles that could shoot down an airplane, you know, at

a considerable height. and so there was a lot of concern about that. but that, and one at one time about 6 months ago, maybe more cbs motor story about it. that they were forced to retract they pub in cs television, but put on the air show about the arms. let's do the right track and these are mistakes. you know, they just, they were just, you know, everybody's, you know, everybody's, we're, we're, we're on the side of ukraine. we all hate russia and you know and buys and hates russia. and he h china and was totally blinking. the secretary state of jake sullivan, the national security advisor and the victorian newland o blinking, i called them lincoln blinking, and now they're all unified in their public distaste and, and contempt for russia. all things russian and the same for china. i hear the binds in the process of, you know, kind of trying to discourage certain sales of,

of goods from china to united states is going to a bar. some of these are the sanction. those were, i just don't understand where this immense a point of hate comes. yes. who did a terrible thing by starting a war, and that's going to be on him forever. you know, when he actually started one, when he didn't have to, uh, is that convinced me he did not have to. um, i don't, i, i think you could have negotiated something where you're going to get that answer. you're going to get that interview with boots and clearly in the course he and the russians. i'd say the war started way before i. i read it. i read is interviews. they're quite interesting. i think that's his argument. i mean it's, you know, and remember in 2007 and one of those international conferences that seems horrible . he actually publicly said, i'm, why don't you take me and anita, i'm in europe. so i did. i say you can, history is what russia did. they started the 1st the bloodiest war and what was in,

in western europe since world war 2. you know, i don't know, you just, you just love it was, it was pretty bad. so i had all stop you. the more from the pulitzer prize winning legend rejoined lives after this break, the, the, the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best. most all sun set up the same assistance must be the one else calls. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the rush of funding and supports the r t supposed neg keeping our

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see more hash. well, i want to get on to, i mean, i should just also say there's no, you mentioned blink. and there's no sign. yeah, there any element of corruption at that level? this is joe strategic as far as far as blinking. no, there's no, he's a wesley collection sell to and he's a capital part and a hedge fund or equity company. there's nothing about that as this is the, the gremlins. there's never been an issue. i mean he's, he's a, is look, he's a perfectly, he's been, he's a great public service and he's now the secretary state, but he's been biden's number one man, as, as a role sort of congress. whenever he was a fight and one who's on the do just very committee uses by mondays on various other committees. he's not a net, he's never served as an investment or never served. in the 2nd apartment, he's, you know, over his keys the secretary state because he thinks he can bully people. and a jake sullivan's biggest claim to fame was he was hillary's lawyer when she was in there with during a lot of investigations including the g mail. and he also ended up working at

brookings with strobe talbott, who, when he was deputy secretary state in the clinton administration, was the major pusher for expanding. they don't have each that was, that was actually when the chinese embassy was bombed. in yugoslavia when served all but with okay, did you remember that you also mentioned the the 82nd ad born is draining in poland . what. what did they do? it, why would be a these i could add the 100 and 1st isn't is who are they 1st? who is the 80 section? they have one you who is the executive board and why should we wait a 2nd? our board is running a week and or something. arming is some brigade, which is composed of 5 companies, which is maybe $7500.00 man. and last year we also brought the 100 and 1st infantry airborne, another, the elite unit, another big gain of 5 companies or 4 companies and add on add on companies. probably with back up forces. we've got 20000 american soldiers exercising,

doing training emissions, maybe in poland, a 60 miles on the border review crane. we're many, it's a little farther, but they're so easy. easy. yeah. you know what and what are they doing? i mean, what is i think they going to be doing? well, i don't know, but i just what i asked for my story and you know, the story you're talking about, which ran a couple weeks ago. that's what i asked. i asked, what the hell, what are they there for? what's the plan? if the war goes bad, does jos do if joe is willing to buy a global pipeline and keep them his best cell? i'm one of our good allies in nato, but germany a cold and a little bankrupt. you know, it's not, you know, it's, it's going to be cost a lot of money to replace the, the gas. it was getting out of north stream. julie was going to get and so you got rid of that. what, what do you do if the more, you know this, all this talk about an offensive, i think it's been going on. but what, what, what,

what do you do if it's suddenly did turn bad as i will tell you, most of the people i know think it has. i think that's just the question of what he wants to do when, but you know that's not what you're saying. and in the western papers, and this, by the way, all of these re intelligence reboot reports that have come out in the last week. and some are very interesting. but in general, we all know that in the old cliche about intelligence. so please, you know, they're taking a rosy picture of some of the numbers in it, but again, their documents and so the, you know, they get tremendous attention. because, well, i went well most of the attention to the content of the leaks from the band. again, the got the attention and it was, it was trying to get some that was that we use the private you open your whole, your whole life is being depended on the 1st amendment. and then maybe the 4th amendment of the us constitution. what do you,

what do you make you feel when they weren't talking about, as you're saying, the pentagon leaks about rosie pictures of counter offenses by the gradients. they would show here with your paper, the new york times withdrawal. you might have to have a healthy f, b, i that apprehend jacked, etc, etc. this 21 year old, national gods. i don't get me going on the press. there's the, there's a no, the price is a no win situation where you look, i worked for years at the new york times and as so, i'm sure everybody to pay for it. oh is the one a lot of prizes and the one of the most important stories i wrote about them ca, spying on american citizens and nobody named it. and so the notion now. so there's always this, the, i, it's, it's, i'm certainly an outside or no, i'm publishing on a, on a subset, which is a, i'm self publishing in essence. but i will tell you, for sure. i am retained a terrific editor, somebody i work with at the london review books. and one of the other of your books

is going pro ukraine by the way. i just read the latest issue. but what i was trying to, what i was trying to get out there was, this is, was the when i last spoke to you a few weeks back because last time you were criticizing your old paper the new york times. now it's not so much the new york times now on the printing important news of interest in the public interest about what's happening in europe and who knows where else they are actually and growing about aiding the f b i and capturing alleged whistleblowers. that's a new one, isn't this? and let me make it broader than in new york times because there's, you can't win an argument with the, you know, i just don't want to get into an argument, but i sometimes do. but, but trump terrified the press that he won, after all, the mocking they did, and they're terrified again and i, i will tell you there's a lot of people, very worried that we might end up with a bite and a trump, a ticket in 2024 and that, and so the times response to,

to trump and all the, all the horrors of january 6 of invasion of the capital has the been, i think, to make a very distinct commitment to being pro. but there's very little criticism about them. none of the stories i've written about by and none of the obligations are more than allegations with a lot of specific. so i look, i know much more than i said about what that mission took place in the base. it was based on no worry what we were doing. and so none of them i've followed the story in any way except the right calendar storage given by the intelligence community. so the fact that the, it's a does wash to a site, you know, you cannot be shocked at the times, wouldn't be as good citizen turned into the test, the height of the, the, of course i am, but you can see there you go, you're going to make me get self serving, but the sources you want are people that are motivated. i never since i did the

meal, i mastic a story which made a lot of people in the military who suffered through vietnam and the horrors there and kept their mouth shut because they wanted to get that next star, the next promotion. and they knew talking about it, so i was an expert in or for them. and so the people that i talked to take the oath of office, they have to take it every year in the military anymore. i think in states apartment 2, they don't take it to their boss or the current modem or the general or to the president. they take it to the constitution. and those are the people i have. i know and over many, many more of you might think who i talked to because when they see something wrong, even though their job may be online, if i, if i screw up and somehow do get them mailed in a story, right. but they talk to me and the times, you know, i don't think when i worked there they had those kind of sources. i mean i, i know that because they relied on me for certain things. you was, i know you were the person we thought we were coming to the end of what was the

best option. well i noticed as a spokesman, a pretty, you know, a job. the one story table named john kirby waste to know when he was a junior officer as a, in the, in the post office or the secretary of defense. when i was working at the new yorker and writing about no w. m d and all that stuff. but the cheney bush stuff, much critical stuff. he was then involved. now, he is a merge as the fellow who backs up the when, when there's a critical issue. he backs up the, the, the, the president passed a young woman. he's always addicts, answer questions, and he goes on the sunday talk shows, we're talking about a prescott now being going on this talk shows that needs to be the domain of the secretary of the state or the national security advisor. you don't see much of those guys anymore right now. i don't know what's going to happen with the pipeline story. i don't know if it's ever going to come out because this government will never investigated. it least it in anonymous way. well, the un un won't either,

despite roger in china or in brazil wanting at to, and you're intimating the, the anger actually in the latest piece you seem to be intimating there isn't anger at certain levels there, but did it at least vindicate you a little that was you will be in congress estimated and not to cover the consent of a mission the mainstream media did. do you think it was cause of your i think of the know love sholtes would not get take questions when he visited biting last month. i mean, why people were saying, well, why did they, i mean, presumably even this will go mainstream media had your article on their, their mind and, and now the washington post is conceded in europe and investigate is don't believe the, the billing tabs. i mean there's, there's some good out the organization. it's slowly you're getting traction. i mean, do you think that's why john specialty is not allowed? i mean, normally you'd have him and by and doing questions when they, when they do this i, you know, it doesn't matter what i think because i don't know the answer. i do know that the

community intelligence community is, is, is, feels an ocean. that's a big statement is there are people there who do analysis and right complicated report and complicated a foreign policy studies, etc. you know, this an intellectual game and, and visualize the way many of them to isolated because there is no sign that the white house is terribly interested in the long term. what they call national intelligence estimates. and they certainly don't want one on the pipeline. and so there's a, there's a disconnect, i think, between some elements of the, of the, of the, the, of the, of the, in the community and, and the white house. i don't think i don't, i don't think they see biden is an avid reader of their work or desire design. they haven't made that stuff. that's all i understand. but a lot of presidents, you know, when ronald reagan was president, the ca,

every day give something called the president's daily beef is called a p d b. and it's guys in the c, i a say up to 34 in the morning to promulgate using a 3 year pace. thing for the president in a few senior people is the 2nd, the vice president, secretary status of the sick death. not to many people. it's a very hot document and at some point it noticed it was understood that reagan wasn't reading it. and so call him paul is long ago and i control the story, you know, figured out the way to do it. he would, he would tape it go on the video, he would read it in a video and then plug the video in for reagan to watch. and that's how they got them to read the high pcp. that's all i with, i want to say we, we don't have time to, to look at the latest piece which is a, which is one time. and i know this is the watch this program in guantanamo in the tv room apparently. but i guess people should,

i don't know if you have any very quick message to the people in good time and we will be watching this in the us present can because your latest one is about the process as well. the only point i made is that the, the constitution in united states is very clear on something called due process. and if you're in a jail in america, you don't have to be a citizen, they get due process and you don't have to have been captured somewhere outside of america or american sovereign territory. due process is in the constitution and none of the courts edge edge indicated the very that's been legal issues. go to war . in the course of done something and forcing them very back in the bush cheney days and forcing the white house to a these to the government to give some rights to them. but none of the no court has ever said the one thing that nobody wants it, which is the prisoners have absolutely right to due process the way the court. there was a case the site of a couple weeks ago that sort of blew my mind with some guy who was released. you

know, they've been in for 20 to 20 years. gone to the torture prisons that we had back in the early days. got the guantanamo no evidence at all convicting and making the anything. finally, 2 years ago he was released. he was said, you're free to go. but the uh, you have to go to a safe country. well, he was from you, i'm at and he wanted to go back there. and so the establishment, whether was the, the, the state, the people, the, i guess the military running the presence there, the establishment said it's not safe. so you can't go there. so he's been a 1000000 read people who read on yourselves tech about of just allow model. i'm you got you got it all. i know you got a tire shape for you because uh your yours give me grief. as much as i give you time, you know, you say that i should have no grief science. thank you. and that's what i show that's over the show will be back on saturday for the final show of this season with john perkins, the ledge will bank, and i'm,

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