line vs a while ago, lots of money talks and the form to me was just to see you, the estimate that i had been told by people i've known for decades. i was, was the skim on just the oil money. but let alone it's sort of disturbing that ukraine's buying oil from russia, which one with more, i mean, but, you know, the oil and money transcends every bit of rationality, i guess. but then to discover the for demand isn't, isn't all. i mean, you know, all you have to do is look, look at the high life and key of today. there's a really good highlights and key and i've, the fancy restaurants are going. you can find liquor stores of everything in it. there's a lot of money being pushed around. and so what happened was, this would have been 3 months ago or so the c i a director of our senior director burns bill burns. so it's really a diplomat that you've never been in the c, i a,

he's had a great career or some bass or to some places it's quoting russia. but, and, but i actually have which edit that when he finishes towards a basset or rush. i wrote him and more in which a warrant against expanding nato to the east because of the lead the war. but that's not what he's like. so talk, which makes it even more with that. he okay. the north stream. uh pipeline. does it have to from your previous article, he was the middle of what he was, he was a given. i think the only job major job left when a bite and one got in and by what happened is burns retired from his phone service . it was deputy secretary state and there quite reasonable guy went to the carnegie foundation as president and then went by and got in. the question is what you already have. he wanted a job in foreign policy. the surface, this is the way it works of washington. these are professional, the government officials, they're the ones that are in, there's always going to be a job for you. and the only job big job that was left for c, i a and he took it i with guess, thinking that maybe if there's

a 2nd term uh tony blinking will we retire or something? i have no idea why he took it, but he did. he was the middleman when they um, when the c a and other agencies ran a corporate operation to destroy the pipeline when he comes of venture in fan is in the, in this piece about alleged corruption of the zalinski administration. and yeah, because you say that your sources are telling you yes, had words with zelinski, and i should say, the savanski denies old corruption who was named in the panama papers. but according to you, you are saying that there lensky i was told off by bill burns about all is savanski is officials riding around and cabin humans have these benches and the like the actual message as i understood. and he was not alone on the trip. so the actual message that is there are other people from the community with them intelligence community,

the actual mattress. and one of us landscape was the gender of the bureaucrats. and the generals are getting very angry at you because you're taking too much of, of the scam hope you're taking a bigger cut. and he was given a list of 35 people that were involved in and corrupt activities. last, he def, fire 10 people on the list, some generals and officers, and some civilian bureaucrats. most of the agencies in the government and normally do a contracting work normally do directly with a normally you do a contract with somebody, so blind toilet paper, no contract the paper company. everybody's gone to brokers. everybody's now getting 3rd parties involved because that increases the transfer of money on the side. and the corruption there is just beyond belief that always has been and that doesn't change. and so that's all i was reading about. but you know, like a lot of the stuff i write about, you know, they keep on saying on names, sources,

if you know, and all those years i was at the new york times when a lot of prizes from my work, than you know, back in the seventy's and watergate and stuff like that, and vietnam, could you possibly name sources you'd put, put people in jail? but do you know that, you know, you know, we've been talking for years, we know the, you know how to game is we never reveal our sources as far as the as use head zalinski did 5 people. i don't know whether that was just to make it look good or whether that was because bill buttons was telling him or was it bill burns that told him? does he do early before 1010 of those who are the most of us that entails just living, you know, in the living? well, in the best apartment and showing a lot of money and buying a new cars. and he fired those who were asked antavius was the word and another $25.00, just what were left untouched. oh, it's why be shocked. it's the ukraine's always been at the bottom of the list or the top of the list in terms of corruption. yeah,

i think everyone's shocked in the mainstream media community because that is that lensky is a hero. and it was by parties and bi partisan in congress just and so many billions of dollars with the public money. when, when you're in a cities or a crumbling really and perhaps as a journalist in cab drinking the wine, who knows? because, so what you're saying is zelinski is buying is fueling the war on ukraine by buying russian oil the on the black market rusher. most indeed, diesel is, roger is obviously funding ukraine because with no upstream gone, it has to be transmitted fees for gas and going through credit. oh actually, i mean that's part of it. there were the, you know, this, the price of diesel, but there is still a gas line that was uh, uh, it was operational i think, in the sixty's, a long time ago from russia through we do crane into is of some of the countries

um, that in less than your own, warsaw block countries, you know, the old member, the warsaw block that existed as, as in opposition to our nato. i guess i'm sure it was. and they have to pay the transit fee, or sometimes even every, every get some russian continues to pay a transport fee for that pipeline. and oil does flow, but it doesn't go to ukraine. it goes through ukraine. and, but a, and there's always been incredible complaints over the years. i mean, for decades about ukraine plugging into a legal way and size. it is something i don't care about, but that was before the war. it's just like, i don't know why i should be giggling a minor because this is really quite a crazy situation with it. and as you know, that the tip of the united states is the funding candidate days on this all sorts of speeches and talks and concern about the fact that we viewed the fact that russia has so much oil so much and so much under price oil for years so much very

clean methane gas and they've been selling it particularly wanted to europe at $1.00 low price. there's a lot of other keeps everybody warm and happy and the business is flowing. and we always use that as a weapon. russia weapon icing as well. okay, well as you know, we, i think we, we did talk about it on, on the north stream episode, people going to look at it on rumble. but also in your article, you're talking about weapons, real weapons. and actually there was an american w b i who's randy credit goes goodbye in transit from. don't yet see wonder why a comedian was in don't yet scrub. and you as a journalist, covering the war. and he saw with his own eyes, the kind of a killing that has been going on with the us time wise and so on. i understand that the exports of arms from ukraine are gaining

traction here. they, they're not just killing web people in your tell me about this booming weapons export market. it was not written about it, but i've obviously heard, you know, i don't know whether they call it the dark margaret or the black market, very early colon romania. other countries on the border were being flooded with weapons where you were shipping for the war to ukraine. and other words, commanders of various, you know, i don't, i don't know what level often it was in general was it was colonels and others who were given a shipment or some weapons would personally re sell them or retail them back into the black and the dark market and including they were, um, the, the concern when i, there's a lot of concern just as months after the war began last february. there included these handheld a missile guns, missiles that could shoot down an airplane, you know, at a considerable height. and so there was a lot of concern about that,

but that and one at one time about 6 months ago, maybe more cbs motor story about it. that they were forced to retract they pub in cs television. but put on the air show about the arms. let's do the right track, and these are mistakes. you know, they just, they were just, you know, everybody's, you know, everybody's, we're, we're, we're on the side of ukraine. we all hate russia and you know, and buys and hates russia. and he h china and was totally blinking. the secretary state of jake sullivan, the national security advisor, and the victorian, new and uh, blinking, i called them lincoln blinking to know the wrong, unified in their public distaste and, and contempt for russian all things russian. and the same for china. i hear the binds in the process of, you know, going to try and discourage certain sales of, of goods from china to the native space is going to

a bar. some of these are the sanction those were i just don't understand where this immense a point of hate comes. yes. who did a terrible thing by starting a war and that's going to be on him forever. you know me, you actually started one when he didn't have to. uh, is that convinced me he did not have to i don't, but i, i think you could have negotiated something where you're going to get that and you're going to get that interview with boots. and clearly in the course he and the russians. i'd say the war started way before i i read it. i read is interviews are quite interesting. i think that's his argument. i mean, as you know, and we remember in 2007 and one of those international conferences that seems a horrible. he actually publicly said, i'm, why don't you take me in, anita? i'm in europe. so i did. i say you can, it's 3. is what russia did? they started the 1st the bloodiest war and what was in, in western europe since world war 2. you know, i don't know, you just,

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welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with pulitzer prize winning legend region list. see more hash, why want to get on to? i mean, i should just also say there's no you mentioned blinking. there's no sign. yeah. there any element of corruption at that level? this is joe strategic as far as why it's blinking. no, there's no, he's a wesley collection in south and he's a capital part and a hedge fund or equity company, and nothing about that does this is the grandkids. there's never been an issue. i mean he's, he's an east look, he's a perfectly, he's been is a great public service. and he's now the secretary of state. but i'm, he's been biden's number one man. as, as a roles from congress waiver. he was a bite and one who's on the do just, sir, you can easily spite mondays on various other committees. he's not and that he's never served as an investment or never started that mistake department. he's, you know, over his keys the secretary state because he thinks he can bully people. and

a jake sullivan's biggest claim to fame was he was hillary lawyer when she was in there were doing a lot of investigations including the gmail. and he also ended up working at brookings with strobe talbott, who, when he was deputy secretary state and the clinton administration, was the major pusher for expanding. they don't have an age. that was, that was actually when the chinese embassy was bombed in you, his love, when sort of job it was. oh, did you remember that? you also mentioned the, the 82nd ad born is training in poland. what, what did they do it? well, here with the eighty's, i could add the 100 and 1st is it is who are they 1st? who is the 2nd one you? who is the executive board and why should we wait a 2nd? our board is running a leaking one or something. arming is some brigade, which is composed of 5 companies, which is maybe $7500.00 man. and last year we also brought the 100 and 1st infantry airborne, another, the elite unit, another big gade of 5 companies or 4 companies and add on add on companies.

probably with back up forces. we've got 20000 american soldiers exercising, doing training emissions, maybe in poland, a 60 miles on the border review crane. we're many, it's a little farther, but they're so easy, easy a lot of what are they doing? i mean, what is i thing thing going to be doing? well, i don't know, but i just, when i asked for my story and you know the story you're talking about, which ran a couple weeks ago. that's what i asked. i asked what, how, what are they there for? what's the plan if the war goes bad? this jose do, if joe is willing to buy a global pipeline and keep him his best cell. i'm one of our good allies in nato, but germany a cold and a little bankrupt. you know, it's not, you know, it's, it's going to be cost a lot of money to replace the, the, the gas. and it was getting out of north stream to we was going to get and so you

got rid of that. what would you do if the more, you know this all this talk about an offensive, i think it's been going on. but what, what, what, what do you do if it suddenly did turn bad, as i will tell you, most of the people i know think it has. i think that's just the question of what he wants to do when, but you know that's not what you're saying. and in the western papers, and this, by the way, all of these re intelligence reboot reports that have come out in the last week. i, i asked them are very interesting. but in general, we all know that in the old cliche about intelligence. so please, you know, they're taking a rosy picture of some of the numbers in it, but again, their documents and so the, you know, they get tremendous attention. because, well, i will also be attention to the content of the leaks from the band. again, the got the attention and it was, it was trying to get some pat. was that we use the probably you open your whole,

your whole life is being dependent on the 1st amendment and of maybe the 4th amendment of the us constitution. what do you, what do you make you feel when they weren't talking about as you're saying, the pentagon leaks about rosie pictures of counter offenses by the ukrainians. they would go here with your paper. the new york times was talking about how to, how they help you f b i that apprehend jacked, etc, etc. this 21 year old national guards. i don't get me going on. the process that is, i know the price is a no win situation where you work. i worked for years at the new york times and, and so i'm sure everybody to pay for it. oh, is the one a lot of prizes and the one of the most important stories i wrote about them, see i'd spying on american citizens and nobody named it. and so near the notion now . so there's always this, the, i it's, it's certainly an outside or no, i'm publishing on a, on a subset, which is a, i'm self publishing in essence. but i will tell you, for sure. i am retained

a terrific editor, somebody i worked with at the london review books. and one of the other of your books is going pro ukraine by the way. i just read the latest issue. but what i was trying to, what i was trying to get out there was, this was the when i last spoke to you, a few weeks back, because last time you were criticizing your old paper the new york times. now it's not so much the new york times on the printing, important news of interest in the public interest about what's happening in europe and who knows where else they are actually and growing about aiding the f. b i in capturing alleged whistleblowers. that's a new one. has lived in let me make it broader than in new york times because there's, you can't win an argument with the, you know, i just don't want to get into an argument, but i sometimes do. but, but trump terrified, depressed that he won. after all, the mocking they did,

and they're terrified again and i, i will tell you there's a lot of people very worried that we might end up with a bite and a trump, a ticket in 2024. and that, and so the times response to the, to trump and the all the, all the horrors, the january, 6 of invasion of the capital. has it been, i think, to make a very distinct commitment to being pro, by is very little criticism or by them. none of the stories i've written about by and none of the obligations are more than allegations with a lot of specific. so i look, i know much more than i said about what that mission took place in the base. it was based on no way what we were doing. and so none of them i've followed the story in any way except the right calendar storage given by the intelligence community. so the fact that the, it's a, it does wash to a site, you know, you cannot be shocked at the times, wouldn't be as good citizen turning to the test, the height of the, of course i am,

but you can see there you go, you're going to make me get self serving, but the sources you want are people that are motivated. and ever since i did the meal, i mastic a story which made a lot of people in the military who suffered through vietnam and the horrors there and kept their mouth shut because they wanted to get that next star, the next promotion. and they knew talking about it, so i was the next theater for them. and so the people that i talked to take the oath of office, they have to take it every year in the military, anywhere i think, and state department to they don't take it to their boss or the currently or the general or to the president. they take into the constitution and those are the people i have. i know and over many, many more of you might think who i talked to because when they see something wrong, even though their job may be online, if i, if i screw up and somehow do get them nailed in the story and right. but they talk to me and the times, you know,

i don't think when i worked there they had those kind of sources. i mean i, i know that because they relied on me for certain things. you was, i know you were the person we thought we were coming to the end of what was the best option. well, i noticed as a spokesman, a pretty, you know, a job and one story table named john kirby. what used to know when he was a junior officer as a, in the, is in the press office for the secretary of defense. when i was working at the new yorker and writing about no w. m. d and all that stuff. but the cheney bush stuff, much critical stuff. he was been involved now. he is a merge as the fellow who backs up the when, when there's a critical issue. he backs up the, the, the, the presidents per se, a young woman, he's always there, alex answer questions and he goes on the sunday talk shows. we're talking about a prescott now being going on this talk shows that used to be the domain of the secretary of the state or the national security advisor. you don't see much of those guys anymore right now. i don't know what's going to happen,

but the pipeline story. i don't know if it's ever going to come out because this government will never investigated. it least it in anonymous way. the un un won't either despite roger in china or in brazil wanting at to, and you're intimating the, the anger, actually in the latest bees, you seem to be intimating there isn't anger at certain levels there, but did it at least vindicate you a little that was you were being congress estimated and not to cover the consent of a mission. the mainstream media did. do you think it was cause of your i think of the know life sholtes would not get take questions when he visited by them last month. i mean, why people were saying mobile ideally, i mean presumably, even this article, mainstream media had your article on their, their mind and, and now the washington post is conceded in europe and investigators don't believe the, the billing tabs. i mean there's, there's some good out the organization. it's slowly you're getting traction. i mean,

do you think that's why john specialty was not allowed? i mean, normally you'd have him and by and doing questions when they, when they do that i, you know, it doesn't matter what i think because i don't know the answer. i do know that the community intelligence community is, is, is, feels an ocean. that's a big statement, is there are people there who do analysis and write complicated report with complicated foreign policy studies, etc. you know, just an intellectual game and, and visualize delay. many of them ship isolated because there is no sign that the white house is terribly interested in the long term, what they call national intelligence estimates. and they certainly don't want one on the pipeline. and so there's a, there's a disconnect, i think, between some elements of the, of the, of the, the, of the, of the, in the community and, and the white house. i don't think i don't, i don't think they see biden is an avid reader of their work or desire design. they

haven't made that stuff. that's all i understand. but a lot of presidents, you know, when ronald reagan was president, the ca, every day give something called the president's daily beef is called a p d b. and it's guys in the c, i a say up to 34 in the morning to promulgate using a 3 year page. thing for the president in a few senior people is the 2nd, the vice president secretary status of the sick death. not to many people. it's a very hot document and at some point it noticed that there was understood that reagan wasn't reading it. and so call him paul is long ago and i can tell the story, you know, figured out the way to do it. he would, he would tape it go on the video, he would read it in a video and then plug the video in for reagan, the watch. and that's how they got them to read the happy. she pays holiday with 5 . i'm going to say we, we don't have time to, to look at the latest piece which is

a, which is guantanamo. and i know this is a watch this program in guantanamo in the tv room apparently. but i guess people should, i don't know if you have any very quick message to the people in good time and we will be watching this in the us present can because your latest one is about the process as well. the only point i made is that the, the constitution in united states is very clear on something called due process. and if you're in a jail in america, you don't have to be a citizen, they get due process and you don't have to have been captured somewhere outside of america or american sovereign territory. due process is in the constitution and none of the courts edge edge indicated the very that's been legal issues. go to war . in the course of done something and forcing them very back in the bush cheney days and forcing the white house to a these to the government to give some rights to them. but none of the no court has ever said the one thing that nobody wants it,

which is the prisoners have absolutely right to due process. the way the court, there was a case decided a couple weeks ago that sort of blew my mind. there was some guy who was released, know they've been in for 20 to 20 years, gone to the torture prisons that we had back in the early days. got the guantanamo no evidence at all convicting and making the anything. finally, 2 years ago he was released. he was said, you're free to go, but the uh, you have to go to a safe country. well, he was from yeah, man. and he wanted to go back there. and so the establishment, whether was the, the, the state, the people, the, i guess, the military running the prisons there, the establishment said it's not safe. so you can't go there. so he's been a 1000000 read people who read on yourselves tech about of just allow model. i'm you guys, you guys all i know you got to hire a shape for you because the, your, you always give a brief as much as i give you time. you know, you say that i a,

she gave no grief cyrus. thank you. and that's what i show that's ever the show will be back on saturday for the final show of this season with john perkins village will bank. and i'm, if you can only get mad to talk about which will lead us on washington's assassination this. meanwhile, you can keep in touch with my social media or if it's not sense in, in your country. and i do i channel going on the garden tv on rumble dot com to watch. new and old episodes of going underground sees have the stolen bird versus blinking blush, and he wants to keep the competent brain going, but doesn't want to be on the hope for going in and fighting on ukraine's behalf. this of course, is with nature membership with me the

russian states never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community. not getting all sense and up the speed. the one else holes. question about this, even though we will fan in the european union the kremlin mission, the state on the russians to day and split the smooth net keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services. which question did you say they requested the,

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