catastrophe and now who is the legend region that's known for exposing cover ups likely us armies. massacre, ne, lie, and torture of prisoners and upgrade joins to be again from washington dc with more revelations, this time reporting that the c, i a was well aware that ukrainian president allowed him is lensky and his own to rogers embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars in usaid, thank you so much, i cipher coming back on. i mean, after revealing that the terror attack, tell me about this $400000000.00 of us public money. and i think most american media covers the fact that the, the american public setting, they need $400000000.00 for infrastructure. tell me about the latest scandal trading with the enemy. oh, well, you have to know about the budget right now. the actual money. i think that's the on my government is spent on that war is about 5 months ago was about a 113000000000 and it's now up to 120. so the $400000000.00 figure when you compare

it to that, the great gross amount of money we spent there is almost trivial. but one of the things that really bought the base, i learned that just 2 months ago, the ukraine nice a lot of diesel fuel to keep us army going to keep it's trucks going into. they use diesel and it's uh and, and they have, since the war began, they've been buying diesel from russia and, and, and as they weren't supposed to, right. they went to, they're not supposed to be funding the war on landscape, not easily finding the war on zalinski and it's it's just, they were able to apparently, uh, the just in sills cuz i that were, they were buying the oil from rush i, i just, i you know, it's just, you know, as a all, you know, the, the old wind b as was walks and money talks. and the phone to me was just

a few. the estimate that i had been told by people i've known for decades was it was the skim on just the oil money. but let alone it's sort of disturbing that ukraine's buying oil from russia, which one with more, i mean, but, you know, the oil and money transcends every bit of rationality, i guess. but then to discover the ford demand isn't, isn't all. i mean, you know, all you have to do is look, look at the high life and key of the day. there's a really good highlights and key and i have the fancy restaurants are going. you can find liquor stores of everything in it. there's a lot of money being pushed around. and so what happened was, this would have been 3 months ago or so the c i a director of r c, i directed burns bill burn. so it was really a diplomat, you've never been in the c, i a, is that a great career or some bass and it just some places it's quoting russia bite and

but, and actually had which edited when he finishes towards a basset or rush, i wrote them and more in which he warned against expanding nato to the east because of the lead the war. but that's not what he's likes to talk, which makes it even more with that. he okay, the north stream. uh pipeline. does it have to, from your previous article, he was the middle of what he was, he was a given. i think the only job major job left when a bite and one got in and by what happened is burns retired from this point, servicing his deputy secretary state and a quite reasonable guy. went to the carnegie foundation as president. and then when barton got in, the question is what job would he have? he wanted a job in foreign policy to the surface. this is the way it works. and washington, the visa professional, the government officials, are the ones that are in there's always going to be a job for you. and the only job big job that was left for c, i a and he took it i, i would guess thinking that maybe if there's a 2nd term uh tony blinking will we retire or something?

i have no idea why he took it, but he did. he was the middleman when they, when the c, a and other agencies ran a corporate operations and destroyed the pipeline when he comes off better and fan is in the, in this piece about alleged corruption of visit lensky administration. and yeah, because you say that your sources are telling you yeah, has had woods with zelinski, and i should say, the savanski denies old corruption who was named in the panama papers. but according to you, you're saying, this is lensky. i'm was told off by bill burns about all is so then skis, officials riding around and cabin humans a these benches and the like the actual message as i understood. and he was not alone on the trip. so the actual message that is there are other people from the community with him, intelligence community, the actual mattress. and one of us lansky was the agenda of the bureaucrats and the

general goals are getting very angry at you because you're taking too much of the, of the scam. hope you're taking a bigger cut. and he was given a list of 35 people that were involved in um, and corrupt activities. zalinski did fire 10 people on the list, some generals and officers, and some civilian bureaucrats. most of the agencies in the government and normally do a contracting work normally do directly with a normally you do a contract with somebody, so blind toilet paper, no contract to paper company. everybody's going to brokers. everybody's now getting 3rd parties involved because that increases the transfer of money on the side. and the corruption there is just beyond belief that always has been and that doesn't change. and so that's all i was writing about. but you know, like a lot of the stuff i write about, you know, they keep on saying on names, sources, if you know, and all those years i was at the new york times when

a lot of prizes from my work, than you know, back in the seventy's and watergate and stuff like that, and vietnam, could you possibly name sources you put, put people in jail? but do you know that, you know, you know, we've been talking for years, we know the, you know how to game is we never reveal our sources as, as the as use head zalinski did 5 people. i don't know whether that was just to make it look good or whether that was because bill buttons was telling them or was it bill burns that told him? does he do early? if i were 1010 of those who are the most of us, contagious living, you know, in the living well, in the best apartment and showing a lot of money and buying a new cars. and he fired those who were asked. and patients was the word and another 25, just what were left untouched. look, it's why be shocked. it's the ukraine's always been at the bottom of the list or the top of the list in terms of corruption. yeah, i think everyone's shocked in the mainstream media community because of is that

lensky is a hero. and it was bi partisan in bi partisan in congress just and so many billions of dollars with public money. when, when you're in a cities or a crumbling really and perhaps as the journalist in cab drinking the wine, who knows? because, so what you're saying is zelinski is buying is fueling the war on ukraine by buying russian oil the on the black market rusher. most indeed, diesel is roger is obviously funding ukraine because with north stream gone, it has to be transmitted fees for gas and going through your crew are actually and that's part of it. there were the, you know, this, the price of diesel, but there is still a gas line that was uh, uh, it was operational i think, in the sixty's, a long time ago from russia through we do crane into is of some of the countries um, that in less than your own, warsaw block countries, you know, the old member,

the warsaw block that existed as, as an opposition to our nato. i guess i'm sure it was. and they have to pay the transmission flush opinions even to every, every get some russian continues to pay a transport fee for that pipeline. and oil does flow, but it doesn't go to ukraine. it goes through ukraine. and but a, and there's always been incredible complaints over the years. i mean, for decades about ukraine plug into a legal way and size. it is something i don't care about, but that was before the war. it's just like, i don't know why i should be giggling a minor because this is really quite a crazy situation with it. and as you know, the, the, the, the united states is the, from the kennedy days on this all sorts of speeches and talks and concern about the fact that we viewed the fact that russia has so much oil so much and so much under price oil for years so much very clean methane gas and they've been selling it

particularly wanted to europe at $1.00 low price. there's a lot of, of the keeps everybody warm and happy and the businesses flowing. and we always use that as a weapon. russia weapon icing as well. okay, well you know, we, i think we, we did talk about it on, on the north stream episode, people going to look at it on rumble. but also in your article, you're talking about weapons, real weapons. and actually there was an american w b i who's randy credit goes in goodbye in transit from. don't yet see wonder why a comedian was in going yet scrub. and you as a journalist, covering the war. and he saw with his own eyes, the kind of a killing that has been going on with the us time wise and so on. i understand that the exports of arms from ukraine are gaining traction here. they, they're not just killing web people in your tell me about this booming weapons

export market. it was not written about it, but i've obviously heard, you know, i don't know whether they call it the dark margaret or the black market, very early colon romania. other countries on the border were being flooded with weapons where you were shipping for the war to ukraine. and other words, commanders and various, you know, i don't, i don't know what level often it was in general was it was colonels and others who were given a shipment of some weapons, would personally re sell them or retail them back into the black and the dark market and including they were, um, the, the concern when i, there's a lot of concern just as months after the war began last february, where there included these handheld a missile guns, missiles that could shoot down an airplane, you know, at a considerable height. and so there was a lot of concern about that, but that and one at one time about 6 months ago,

maybe more cbs motor story about it. that they were forced to retract they pub in cs, a television, but put on the air show about the arms. let's do the right track and these are mistakes. you know, they just, they were just, you know, everybody's, you know, everybody's, we're, we're, we're on the side of ukraine. we all hate russia and you know and buys and hates russia. and he h china and why totally blinking the secretary state of jake sullivan, the national security advisor and the victorian newland o blinking, i called them lincoln blinking, and now they're all unified in their public distaste and, and contempt for russia. all things russian and the same for china. i hear the binds in the process of, you know, kind of trying to discourage certain sales of, of goods from china to the native states. he's going to bar some of these are the

sanction those were i just don't understand where this immense a point of hate comes. yes. who did a terrible thing by starting a war and that's going to be on him forever. you know, he actually started one when he didn't have to uh, is that convinced me he did not have to. um, i don't, i, i think you could have negotiated something where you're going to get that and you're going to get that interview with boots and clearly in the course he and the russians. i'd say the war started way before i. i read it. i read is interviews. they're quite interesting. i think that's his argument. i mean it's, you know, and we remember in 2007 and one of those international conferences that seems horrible. he actually publicly said, i'm why don't you take me and anita, i'm in europe. so i did. i say you can is 3, is what russian did. they started the 1st the bloodiest war and what was in, in western europe since world war 2. you know, i don't know, you just, you just love it was,

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the gremlins that's never been an issue. i mean he's, he's an east look, he's a perfectly, he's been, is a great public service. and he's now the secretary of state. but i'm, i'm, he's been biden's number one man. as, as he rose from congress when he lived, he was a bite. and when he was on the do just or a committee uses by mondays on various other committees, he's not a net, he's never served as an investment or never served in the state department. he's you know, over his keys the secretary state because he thinks he can bully people and a jake sullivan's biggest claim to fame was he was hillary's lawyer when she was in there were during a lot of investigations including the g mail. and he also ended up working at brookings with strobe talbott, who, when he was deputy secretary state in the clinton administration, was the major pusher for expanding nato to the east. and that was, that was actually when the chinese embassy was bombed. in yugoslavia when served all but with okay, did you remember that you also mentioned the,

the 82nd airborne is training in poland. what. what did they do it? why would the 2nd half of the 100 and 1st isn't is who are they 1st? who is the 2nd they have one year? who is the executive board? and why should we wait a 2nd? our board is running a week and or something. arming is some brigade, which is composed of 5 companies, which is may be $7500.00 man. and last year we also brought the 100 and 1st infantry airborne, another elite unit, another brigade, 5 companies, or 4 companies and add on add on companies. probably with back up forces. we've got 20000 american soldiers exercising, doing training emissions, maybe in poland at 60 miles on the border review crane. we're many, it's a little farther, but they're so easy. easy. yeah. you know what, what are they doing? i mean, what is i thing thing going to be doing? well, i don't know, but i just, when i asked for my story and you know the story you're talking about, which ran

a couple weeks ago. that's what i asked. i asked, what the hell, what are they there for? what's the plan if the war goes bad? this jose do. if joe is willing to buy a global pipeline and keep him his best ally, money. very good allies in nato, but germany a cold and a little bankrupt. you know, it's not, you know, it's, it's going to be cost a lot of money to replace the with the gas. it was getting out of north stream to we was going to get and so you got rid of that. what would you do if the more, you know, there's all this talk about an offensive, i think it's been going on. but what, what, what, what do you do if it's suddenly did turn bad as i will tell you, most of the people i know think it has. i think that's just the question of what he wants to do when, but you know that's not what you're saying. and in the western papers, and this, by the way, all of these re intelligence reboot reports that have come out in the last week.

and some are very interesting. but in general, we all know that in the old cliche about intelligence. so please, you know, they're taking a rosy picture of some of the numbers in it, but again, their documents and so the, you know, they get tremendous attention. because, well, i went well most of the attention to the content of the leaks from the band. again, the got the attention and it was, it was trying to get in combat was that we use the, i mean you open your, all your whole life is being depended on the 1st amendment. and then maybe the 4th amendment of the us constitution. what, what do you make you feel when they weren't talking about, as you're saying, the pentagon leaks about rosie pictures of counter offenses by the ukrainians. they would show here with your paper the new york times was talking about how to, how they help the f, b i that apprehend jacked, etc, etc. this 21 year old, national gods. i don't get me going on the press. there's a, there's a no,

the price is a no win situation. i mean, look, i worked for years at the new york times and, and so i'm sure everybody to pay for it. oh, is the one a lot of prizes and the one of the most important stories i wrote about them, see i'd spying on american citizens and nobody named it. and so there the notion now. so there's always this, the, i, it's, it's, i'm certainly an outside or no, i'm publishing on a, on a subset, which is a, i'm self publishing in essence. but i will tell you, for sure. i am retained a terrific editor, somebody i worked with at the london review books. and one of the other of your books is going pro ukraine by the way. i just read the latest issue. but what i was trying to, what i was trying to get out there was, this was the when i last spoke to you, a few weeks back, because last time you were criticizing your old paper the new york times. now it's not so much the new york times on the printing, important news of interest in the public interest about what's happening in europe

and who knows where else they are actually and growing about aiding the f. b i in capturing alleged whistleblowers. that's a new one. has lived in let me make it broader than in new york times because of this you can't win an argument with the, you know, i just don't want to get into an argument, but i sometimes do. but, but trump terrified the press that he won. after all, the mocking they did, and they're terrified again and i, i will tell you there's a lot of people very worried that we might end up with a bite and a trump, a ticket in 2024. and that, and so the times response to, to trump and all the, all the horrors of january 6 of invasion of the capital. has it been, i think, to make a very distinct commitment to being pro. but there's very little criticism about him. none of the stories i've written about by and none of the obligations are more

than allegations with a lot of specific. so i look, i know much more than i said about what that mission took place in the basically it was based on knowing what we were doing. and so none of them i've followed the story in any way except the right calendar story is given by the intelligence community. so the fact that the, it's a, it does wash to a site, you know, you cannot be shocked at the times would be as good citizens turning to the test, the height of the, the, of course i am, but you can see there you go, you're going to make me gets self serving, but the sources you want are people that are motivated. i never since i did the meal, i mastic a story which made a lot of people in the military who suffered through vietnam and the horrors there and kept their mouth shut because they wanted to get that next star, the next promotion. and they knew talking about it, so i was an expert in or for them. and so the people that i talked to take the oath

of office, they have to take it every year in the military. anyway, i think in states apartment 2, they don't take it to their boss or the current modem or the general or to the president. they take it to the constitution. and those are the people i have. i know and over many, many more. and you might think who i talked to because when they see something wrong, even though their job may be online, if i, if i screw up and somehow do get them nailed in the story and right. but they talk to me and the times, you know, i don't think when i worked there they had those kind of sources. i mean i, i know that because they relied on me for certain things. you was, i know you're the person we thought we were coming to the end. what was the best hopes when? well, i noticed as a spokesman, a pretty you know, a job, one story able, named john kirby, where you still know when he was a junior officer as a, in the, in the post office or the secretary of defense. when i was working at the new yorker and writing about no w. m d and all that stuff, but the cheney bush stuff,

much critical stuff. he was then involved. now, he is a merge as the fellow who backs up the when, when there's a critical issue. he backs up the, the, the, the president passed a young woman. he's always addicts, answer questions, and he goes on the sunday talk shows. we're talking about a prescott. now being going on, this talk shows that used to be the domain of the secretary of the state or the national security advisor. you don't see much of those guys anymore right now. i don't know what's going to happen, but the pipeline story. i don't know if it's ever going to come out because this government will never investigated, as they said in anonymous way. well, the un un won't either despite roger in china and brazil, one thing at 2. and you're intimating the, the anger actually, and the latest piece you seem to be intimating. there isn't anger at certain levels there, but did it at least vindicate you a little bit while as you were being actress estimated and not to cover the consent

of a mission the mainstream media did. do you think it was cause of your i think of the know love sholtes would not get take questions when he visited biting last month. i mean, why people were saying mobile ideally, i mean, presumably even this will go mainstream media had your article on their, their mind and, and now the washington post is conceded in europe and investigate is don't believe the, the billing tabs. i mean there's, there's some good out the organization. it's slowly you're getting traction. i mean, do you think that's why john specialty is not allowed? i mean, normally you'd have him and by and doing questions when they, when they do this i, you know, it doesn't matter what i think because i don't know the answer. i do know that the community intelligence community is, is, is, feels an ocean. that's a big statement, is there are people there who do analysis and write complicated report with complicated a foreign policy studies, etc. you know, this an intellectual game and,

and visualize the way many of them to isolated because there is no sign that the white house is terribly interested in the long term. what they call national intelligence estimates. and they certainly don't want one on the pipeline. and so there's a, there's a disconnect, i think, between some elements of the, of the, of the, the, of the, of the, in the community and, and the white house. i don't think i don't, i don't think they see biden is an avid reader of their work or desire design. they haven't made that stuff. that's all i understand. but a lot of presidents, you know, when ronald reagan was president, the ca, every day give something called the present his day. the beef is called the p. b and skies and the c. i a stay up to 34 in the morning to promulgate using a 3 year pace. thing for the president in a few senior people is the 2nd, the vice president, secretary state anesthetic, sick deaf, not so many people. it's a very hot document. and at some point,

it noticed it was understood that reagan wasn't reading it and so call him paul isn't long ago and i can tell the story, you know, figured out the way to do it. he would, he would tape it go on the video. he would read it in a video and then plug the video in for reagan, the watch, and that's how they got them to read the have you seen page? that's all i with. i want to say we, we don't have time to, to look at the latest piece which is a, which is one time. and i know this is the watch this program in guantanamo in the tv room apparently. but i guess people should, i don't know if you have any very quick message to the people in what kind of way we'll be watching this in the us present can because your latest one is about the process as well. the only point i made is that the, the constitution in united states is very clear on something called due process. and if you're in a jail in america, you don't have to be a citizen,

they get due process and you don't have to have been captured somewhere outside of america or american sovereign territory. due process is in the constitution. and none of the courts that edgy edgy indicated the very that's been legal issues. go to war in the course have done something and forcing them buried back in the bush cheney days and forcing the white house to a lease to the government to give some rights to them. but none of the no court has ever said the one thing that nobody wants it, which is the prisoners have absolutely right. the due process, the way the court, there was a case the site and a couple weeks ago that sort of blew my mind was some guy who was released know they've been in for 20 to 20 years, gone to the torture prisons that we had back in the early days got to go on to animal. no evidence at all convicting and making the anything. finally, 2 years ago he was released. he was said, you're free to go. but the uh,

you have to go to a safe country. well, he was from yeah, met and he wanted to go back there. and so the establishment, whether was the, the, the state, the people, the, i guess the military running the persons there establish and said, besides safe. so you can't go there. so he's been living with people who really don't use of stack about i'm just allow model. i'm you got you guys. all i know you got a bad shape for you because i your yours, give me grief as much as i give you the only so that i a she gave no grief fires. thank you. and that's what i show that's ever the show will be back on saturday for the final show of this season with john perkins, the ledge will bank, and i'm, if you can only get mad to talk about which will lead us on washington's assassination this. meanwhile, you can keep in touch with my social media or if it's not sense an annual country and had to a general going on the garden tv on rumble to come to watch new and old episodes of going on the guns. he's have the

stolen bird versus lincoln bush, and he wants to keep the conflict in your brain going, but doesn't want to be on the hook for going in and fighting on ukraine's behalf. this of course is with nature membership with me the value lucas really do not return back. it's really on down to the broadening more person. but i also see that the look of these other ones are these look at the system above issue mixture to call to try that. and i need to go to

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