it's too late, but you have the, [000:00:00;00] the time to walk into world to part a decade after the wave of an arrow spring. i've tries and ship north africa. violence. change of government is striking the continent. he had a gas based time in west africa, with a cruise in larger and bung completed, how we see the worst of it yet. well, to discuss that, i'm now joined, but i will be associate professor at the nigerian institute of international

affairs for his art. will be great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you for having the issue. now, africa is definitely planned, no stranger to cruise or entrenched governments, which probably go hand in glove. but i heard you saying that this latest uprisings are somewhat different from the way that the content within those back in the 19 sixty's. what's the difference? they closed the experience and right now download before from what we experience and imagine sixty's. but what is the difference about the cruise is the nature of the species, you know, telling us why down at the thinking of our government in this countries. now, you know, and that also shows that in a way that the eh, do after guys so has not moved beyond this is this, you know, and that's what i've called the advert castro. best option, you know,

and there was suggests of metric who is the now at west africa. now these are just introduced, bitches. everything remain the same. what's that dish or is the fact that, you know, in the recent codes, that's true. that was in molly. there was in the book, you know, the one in booking at paso, they're wanting their new gen the august the 17th, which is the fact that at that insecurity has played a very prominent role. so uh they, the disclosures i'm wasn't able to manage is to just tell me from there is, uh, there is such as the, i mean hooked up for the uh, security program to know which the bundle is. the government have not been able to money and that is why the actually coming in, you know, aside the fact does not depend on me. um, so uh, what i really means is that the changes that are taking place

off, you know, about these live says 60 as uh, 6 p as in apple, no, have money either in the value so to the applicant conditions. and so the military were clustered, they come into eh, eh, government, i really, there's like, there's a bunch of energy, you know, providing the condition on his right for them. now you mentioned the several, occlusal randy, and i want to sort of stress for our audience that while the events in niger and gambling are in the news there, that has been a dozen of cruise in africa throughout the continent over the last 3 years. now, some of the earlier uprisings had for him benefactors, for example, the removal of walmart get off here in libya. it was a bit a to a substantial, extends from abroad. do you see any foreign have in the latest developments?

well, is we have to look at the way of international relations? no. as is special about, you know, a, you always see a lot of 40 dimensions on flight and dr. ross, it's been that africa. um, but you know, with regards to a change, do you think government, you know, i don't want to be very, you know, and bronze i've, i've seen the 5 back the funding has to, i already know. but, you know, give you look at the history of africa, you know, as for me, this will be dependent zillow for anybody. and that's what else has been as in the office that i've been after, guys tell me what it does to the change of government. the august the, should i change the changes in government, so you see a lot of back and forth on excellence with many, and really cheap crews of workforce typically, you know, i think there's a slight difference. even there might be that front of me that based on but also test to i beginning to come to dance. we rarely see, you know,

and so this needs to be really tree. all just sort of and i was thinking about using the actually the unhappy, what is this? i mean, after that, and i also tried to change things, you know, like like what was the name is, you know, take the bull by the on, you know, they want to did the best in and, you know, into the house. i do what they should do to bring about good. so you kind of a good time development. and so um, with regard to live, i mean for the vision, if you look at the, the, the fuel costs that have taken place. no, the last 5. what was it? even this and so just to actually i agree with that with the before the nice to where are within the yeah. that 32. beyond that i've seen them to me like any jack a case. i know that. so, uh right now i think it's a, there's a slight change, you know, in terms of this, and that's where i see it because they often times of stuff i've been coming to several as there's some i'm, that'd be good to ask a lot of questions. they really come on, i forgot some districts do now uh,

being myself from russia just have to ask you, uh, because some of observers a note and of some protest there's in, i, uh niger care is ration flags. and i certainly don't think that most go has a, that kind of ability to influence events on the ground in niger. but i wonder, what do you think this is emblematic or what are you seeing the, what kind of message, what kind of attitude those people who brought in the russian flags went down onto the street. wanted to send it out to me. you know, and, you know, really cool to places. i mean, to play, sorry, when it is a, in those countries. maybe i'll just, i'll just actually bunk. yeah. yeah. uh that includes let me because i don't like language. definitely i must pass blocks. you know, the way the top it off on the demo of that. so you're yeah, like you're saying that the before to actually not happy with the additional pop

otherwise to have for the nice the you know, the last the 6560 is they go. i know that maybe they last longer and 50 years ago and, but you know, this, this is route to russian flags and the industrial does not have to have reasoning for, you know, not the amount of politics you are free to choose or not. so you also fit to choose, show you what about good we got so maybe it's this time of saying that we have talked with your own. a lot of times you're not packing us. we want to move to a new path. now i know this, okay, the restaurants that might be might that might be what they, i've been messages i send you, you know, um, but i am also wondering, you know, because we do, we have nothing. we have no way of experiencing pulling that, you know, we don't have that kind of situation right now. but we also just simply stay as and we actually have why advertising restaurants such as the russians involved in this . the me keep bunch of stuff is picking a garbage it off the top as

a who knows how to, why i, those are copy and i'm bunny, the french lots. don't know why that can be french to me and, you know, they, my younger than actually, demetrius die. a whole thought embody, brought in that there are signs this listeners so to speak. you know, the companies because they were in the way, does it as a private business and the sure they have certain uh, uh, protection by the russian government. but i assume they're acting on the, on the base of a formal contracts. the good me to know is that because it was the way it is specifically directions to this all and where you put them together. we dispute ticket that you begin to ask a lot of questions, you know, and that is why, maybe that's the, that's not only what is the kitchen or bring it about. the crystal is actually the white thing village. i'm saying, well, well, there was us, both men might not be involved, no bugs, you know, drive,

now you're not smart as you're moving away from it. if i push on, you know, a miniature box or a, a late fee offer. so you'll have to look for some manageable outside partners. i understand that and in my dressing is a very interesting case. because up until this uprising, it was considered to be sold at the western partner. it costs an american air base with roughly a $1000.00 troops on it. and if we check western publications 420212022, they were very complimentary all over the country, but not anymore on this. and because of those assets, military assets, now, correct. and i'm here the west of washington and particularly a haven't made any decisive or a vert moves to stabilize the situation. how do you explain this hasn't been seen on the part of the west to, you know, come in the defends,

what they have on the ground reach in the past. they did the quite decisively. well, as this time is really different, you know, i'm with the west temperament. know in many of these countries, i know it just went on the west drains have been our data for, you know, just the glasses fish on. know, because as you're asking the french government to leave, i guess this maybe sense the cost of lives. this has been this business days. all you're asking the time to move the business over from this functions are you asked the accident that ronnie also uh i there was 0 right now. you know, middle of the countries in the waste will have to, is the, i lose or not, i'm, once you know, the size are, you know, disclosures themselves, you know, as they have decided what their 1000 off the west for me right now i'm because out it is so much ice time to nights are against the, the west, the united states, the,

i'm the europeans i'm, that's what alaska for, are the proper phone, congress a know they sent you know, the process. and so i saw that of the basically taking action on the, on how that will manage the situation. you know, um, right now we also looked at the we also train as much as possible to look at how we do you know, and look for a peaceful settlement in this price is to know and for the specialist and vigorous punches. what we need to do, you know, obviously the, the finally coming to his doctor cost is running around persistently looking for ways for wait, wait, i don't read this. the contact joe's the ministry a purchase across the, somebody's on the laptop. you know, we look for solutions, interesting the symptoms, i'm not actually looking at the root causes of this for pop song,

but sometimes you're used to dealing with urgent or very painful systems. and you've already singled out in security as the most pressing concern. the may be um, generating a freely many other problems and i heard you say the, this is an issue that's good and should be addressed collectively that africa should come together and agree on how to read the content of insecurity. what stands in the way and do you think i'll send to clean the, the africans can do that by themselves without for an assistance even jamie, and for an assistance be un peacekeeping or, you know, private contractors with having you do anything. the africans can do it by themselves to know the job. i was actually just a no one contract to manage. i know what's going to come find a solution to issues of security, especially security monitoring from terrorism is still against you. and you have

the, the iris, you know, in the gulf of the giving you the golf course, give you this kind of this, the programs when needs the international community to come together to look for some new jobs because it was, you have your company and then your function is bumped up, has to be the door, back hunters and this does, does that, does the contest, but it, it has uh, its ponds. we do it to do the confidence level. we have what, originally my son to, to know to hi, that's probably the local functions. i'm over also for the guns, the physics solutions. you know, it's not just been in fact nice. we need it back to us, but we are. so she'll be able to look in, want to find solutions to solve this basic problems. you know, the progress, read the rest of the programs,

everything off it got steps on this side by side of it. programs of the programs. now is it you, how does this does, is that process after the fact? you have so much, but this test is this not specification that's of human development in depth. it's not touching. did they come on people out there? i know was that people off was trip to like i've always said they have to look for some mission. no doubt. do you? no, no, no doubt, to pick the pull by the, the professor. let me take the bull by the horns right now because we have to take a very short break right now, but we will definitely be discuss people's frustrations in the 2nd half. so set stage and for that

the a southern bird versus lincoln, washington wants to keep the conflict in your brain going, but doesn't want to be on the hook for going in and fighting on ukraine's behalf. this of course, is with nature membership with me the welcome back to the parts with the associate professor of the nigerian institute of international affairs. but for us it will be just before the break. we touched upon people's frustrations and i heard the same before the the 21st century and governments shouldn't be people oriented and development focused on. it's impossible to argue with that. but building a functional,

effective government is an arduous task and even the developed countries are struggling with it. right now. i wonder if you think that those deposed governments should we abdicating that responsibility before the people, or is it the people who have unrealistic expectations about how fast or how much it takes to rectify, not just decades, but centuries long and balances is not the people it is a government you know, the government is supposed to provide basic messages or flights, and i was citizens how this basic message supplies, you know, as you keep, then going to be successful company. you have to do the infrastructures, you have to create an environment for you, hold on, it's to try, you know, i, yeah, the punch is talking about the best. so chicago, we invest those into the country where the infrastructures destruct us. i know that

they never in environments i'm not that not. you have to also look at portions, issues or functions. you don't have to pay for russian. you'll have to look at these problems. the assistance of both man that has been practicing this countries, you know, sometimes now what i've seen, nobody yet is the, the fact that many african government just, i don't, is 50. i'm in the mental gland in st. louis, just about the street with the look up the largest, and that's why i am said, you know that to me, if you, i have documented this has been kept adapted to fit the pack of glasses. and most of you say yes, it should still be kind of like a growth and development even though the foundation begins with the country. but what's the impact in us? wilson, you imagine economics will also make the approximate comics to come into the say what, what, what are the best, what they say, the initial investment goes. oh my gosh,

looking for portfolio investment. okay. actually let me just say which they're at and i'm about is have you talked about is the fact that you know the 21st century programs are the best thing to address the problems of the mattress century printer surgery? it started beautiful once more beautiful. have cost of silver like the shop. there's no more this time because of that based on adult needs and also also the government should be and they want to put in pace. those pins that if people want, this is because the probably, the problem is, is, are many but uh, this is a very interesting question because obviously, own governments, when they come into power, they're interested in delivering something for that. people simply to stay in power . i mean, like if you work well, people will be in favor of your staying on. but i also heard you say that it's not only that the african countries, fans liberal democracy but that liberal democracy failed the african countries. um, this is a very interesting question for us, the russians, because we are definitely not a liberal democracy. but we have

a system of government is that uh wants to provide uh, you know, a dignified, secure, and i would say and sold the quality of life for it for that people. but then we eat approaches. that is not sort of liberal democracy model because in order to provide that, i think you have to prioritize those social concern, a social safety net over typical western issues. like let's say agenda rise or abortions. there's only, you know, uh unlimited amount of time and effort that the government can uh, dedicate to any particular issues. so i wonder if western models of development development are really suitable for countries that are indeed struggling with by ing date and the most basic uh, links for that people. what the zone is do your by little should be where somebody is actually to talk to are supposed to be below. and it says,

i talked about that either way. so what we have not was if the system that was placed on those is this, that, that was, it goes back to us. now i don't know, see, i'm just, i think i need to make this transition. i mean, what i mean by i mean probably the look as the, it's certainly in africa. i've also got this training on down the brought the workers. but i also see that democracy is not the one size fits all. that these, if you are, even if you're, if you are pressing the catholic system above me, you should make sure it all comes with your as this is to try to and i need to go with joe as well. it's good. i mean, as long as you should be, it should be a problem because it's such a way that these calls often digital copy. i just, i know that's where the problem is. now is in new york,

you like sports in the browser book as the traffic it is i this society. so i different pass over how did to below, you know, i'm out of the way for us to get back to you and about that. and then back and as they should have asked you to ask the police office, and if you need to talk on our side that your law, it's pushing is just the mattress. and the issue was supposed to be the supposed to be president top professional, you know, into that's just a new one. but now we just had the 2 step process going to do with this. i just wanted to see because the conflict, they do their residency charge because it's just finish the process and it's not actually i don't value to the people also democracy. so there shouldn't be such that it should value benefits for rich. people actually want to look as we want to look as the budget that fits the budget president page because i've been a few times this stupid people. i heard you say before that there is

a huge need for african countries to discover that only unique identities rather than leaving out or living under the world ones because we know from, you know, psychology that there can never be your full self if you're tried to copy someone else, you know, your life, your values, your ways of doing things, just come from with them and they shouldn't be able to be in your history and your way of life and your uh, circumstances on the ground. what do you think is standing in the way of with, why do you think it has been so difficult for the africans to, to we own off who they are because it's the amounts he reached. colton is not only in material resources, but also in terms of culture, in terms of philosophical solve, in terms of education. it's a, you know, it's the way be one of the, one of the places where humanity i originated from. why do you think it's so difficult for, for the africans to look at themselves and respect where they are?

oh, they advertise the applicants. i am enough to jump in and out. what, what we have to do to realize is it less than i can do to fix this. the country is this, the less you see on the bus it gets to the law house because just your policies, your less than all the plan on everything below the bus, i'm probably picked on economy. so balls are on an identity, which is part of that being the national culture and language history. well enough, if i was supposed to get a with the, the, the, the, your chance we have a building and it's entity for if you decide that that's the only table kept the deal. like i said, i know you said when they came to drop it that the front of that, what was the edition on the, on the my, on the map was different from the reality associated with it at big groups with

contact trust, you know, but as long as you find some progress in new jersey, you find some targets in there. and molly, look at the, you know, you know, we, all of the big group there, some of the drive, somebody that you need somebody to know why this people pass to be, they did it. they did blackish on the profit. that the way all the way most of the impacts briefing the rights in their own way. and so now the 1st to many big groups, the good that the group i'm not actually was just to be to this. i got off the don't want to do that, and that's why i see that those passes. i make, i did because there's no african countries. we also see just because it's, you know, i'm older. so what i am saying is that the best way africa was the eh, they're my kid. did you know that is part of the problem?

you know, because we're not allowed to develop. i'm, if we're allowed to do with the dots eventually, you know, slowly we'll get to the point where the best functions. ok. so wait, wait, wait till we after class. but i think it just has time that we should be allowed to . people look now which i don't remember for sided, but it's also included. i think it was one of the leaders of india and independence moment. that freedom is not given. it's taken, it's claimed by the proprietors of development. so it's not about somebody giving africa the right to develop as actually you've been driving about it all along. it's about africans understanding who they are, understanding what their needs and what their rights, what their desires are. and um, you know, pursuing them more forcefully, especially given the time that the continent is now at the crossroads of many power

struggles and power re balancing. so it's in the good position to claim it's always uh what's the right job before i start with this book? why right body enough? you know, i was the last 4 where i stood, the my rabbi and after by you to you, but lives after that you look, i think i looked at the thing that me just, i'm, everybody wants to share. i forgot the introductory, don't be what you should be looking at right now. we should look at the quality of missions we should be thinking about. if it is a national system, we should be talking about attitude when luggage. it's after that as a subordinate, you know, because the global policies, you know, it's almost a positive subordinate, which is why what actually does actually react to that page right now. you know that they want to be treated on the quote is. so china and dropped, in fact we want you to keep us on the quote was rush as to that point, you know,

if you wanted to just doesn't record this. is this something with the united states? i'm the, you know, how that works is what we're looking for. is it just hard talking about the company that's been so because a lot of the programs leadership is the, the, the, the bucket issue. i'm the government, you'll probably want it to me to. right. you know, i, so the, we need to be does have as much as long as we did the about the turkey vishal vishal house, the mission. i've talked before one kid i've seen talked in my hearts who would look at 1st the physics, it actually who writes of the citizens, but not people who are busy, you know, why, what very power ups because of these, i wish i could, i could how, how is it that for 60 kids, after day lots produced anything?

i was just getting my thoughts of this from abroad. this is not what it should be. i think we need to go to read the stuff generated professor of it. we have to leave it there. i just want to say that i, i slightly disagree with you here. i think even over the last 60 years, africa has produced a lot of valuable please and valuable thoughts. but i agree with you to, to me that it's a very high time that the content realizes its own destiny that comes out straight out from its own history rather than from somebody else's prescriptions. but we have to leave it there. i greatly admire what you being on our show. thank you very much for that. thank you. thank you. thank you for watching hope to see her again. was a part of the,

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