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hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered. i'm getting a little stilton bird versus blinking watching. and once we keep the conflict in your brain going, but doesn't want to be on the hook, we're going in and fighting on ukraine's behalf. this of course, is with nato membership with me the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we cross the george semi while he's a pod cast, read the god, but which be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen cross type rules that affect, that means you can jump any time you want that. i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out in budapest, george. even discuss our gamble. pod cast the but different messaging we heard last week coming from the same stories, they blanket and nato head, stolt,

and bird. they couldn't be more different, but what we've been told all we have is western unity in the last step. but when blinking was it in um to look for the photo off of leaving mcdonalds. um, he projected a very different message. what, what was, what was the point of, um, of, uh, do you think the difference there between the 2 messages? well, stilton bug is the front man, so need, so. uh, so he comes out uh, every few days, weeks or whatever. and the class that, um nato is the way forward for all countries and nato membership, where ukraine is almost a done deal is just, uh, we just gotta do the finish the paperwork. uh now um, blinking then goes to uh to and he makes no mention on later,

but i told them i told them to talk on those uh no mention of need. so there's a great deal about america's commitment to ukraine. um, but he doesn't say anything about nato now, why is this? well, the, by the ministration knows that, um, if you crane is in nate's so then the united states is on the hook. i mean, these basic united states is at war with russia. so that's already what the united states wants. uh, the, and i say does want to keep this war going. um, but doesn't get it by the loss of lives. doesn't care about the, the, the, the ways the results doesn't make us plenty of resources to weighs. um, but it doesn't want to get it so in the direct war with roster of the national debate really doesn't care about the shelter, but just as well. that's great. you know, we've got this wonderful club. we now have, we're gonna have 32 members in the unit in the next few weeks. and so the, in the once you great in, and that will be his great try. um,

but the american saying, well, not so fast. you know, they, they just basically a collection of dead beads and militarily inconsequential powers. the only power of the masses is the united states and the ice a doesn't want to get himself into a war. so that's why, you know, sold to book and go on saying what he wants to say. you know, he's the chairman of this, the board of this class of the united states. it wants to stay out of a very dangerous so well for it. so what, let's just martin, what's interesting to with, with lincoln's visit be though i thought it was a very fringe. i'm having a photo off at a cemetery, and that's lincoln's dirty work best as his paper. okay. i, i don't know who is doing the optics, but it was a cringe worthy here. but it's, it's, it's interesting that during blankets, visit the co to get more money of course. but i don't know. i was rather taken

aback, but he was talk so much about post war ukraine. i mean what, where is this coming from? i agree with no one, none of us. we don't know. i don't know if anybody really knows how this is going to be resolved, but he wants to talk about what your queen is going to be like afterwards when we don't even know what you claim. well, we won't even know what it's geographical. borders will be, pardon, or anyone, faintly objective about the claim or risk regardless of whether you take sides or not. i mean anybody who is able to get some distance and look up the, the grand will sign, spring comes and narrative really, but not. i mean, it really is just so weird how somebody can be. so spectacularly misinformed isn't misinformed or is this delusion the leave has been detach the very much detached from the spanish. so you think that you're, you're watching um a so made

a training session. well, you know, they, they, with the train has to come up with this, some additions country, unrestricted as well. and we can just talk about, i'm talking points, i'm working on r t messaging. but this isn't, isn't really not in the real well, you know, i'm not so some of those features in the bus. and i just wonder, is this the result? is this the combination of years and years and years of wisdom, dis, information fed from intelligence agencies to, to solve a media. going to such an extreme, you know, when media now is just believing it is a narrative where you have the politicization of intelligence and when you have a blessed list of intentions. unfortunately, the impacts on media is a 100 times less, you know, and you have general this to a just writing fiction. basically is it, this is, this is bring to the cut off this on vacation of all of that. i'm wondering whether it is, i mean, we talked about nature and stopped him, but now it has since been with us was given a one year extension by by them. um,

you know, the corruption is just incredible. i mean, just stinks the time of an invitation for me just stinks the decision to extend his term for one year. come to me and i've read about this. i'm absolutely confident pay. once those little delayed european commission, president speed to take care of it next year. next, next summer, exactly when the term is available, when the post is up, when the student that goes out is exactly the same months when she ends attend your pin commission. another double want me that, why does she need this job? because of notice where that leads a mattress a to the product, protect one another, and s the dentist needs protective. she is up to a neck in corruption obligations because there's massive fines that deal with she signed off and she was part of and guess what? oh, i'm surprised, surprised the husband just so happens to own a company owned by size. uh kelcy please. you know, little kill supplies used to come with uh is that when various investigations m e p

level. when you have been pharma, your been on but some even a use an answer referral. deposit themselves when the old oscar didn't match. i'm president. can we just have your telephone to look at the text messages that you sent to find the bosses? she says, oh, well, you know, all these things are so ephemeral and i think of just deleted them. oh yeah. maybe you can sort of that b s. m, it has a big major other investors as invest to like new york times gym and media as well . the suing you know, the ceiling because it, because they believe in old fashioned values which i used to believe in 30 years ago. you know, the power of the pressing pull is a free speech, you know, use those techs on not your property. so, you know, and we need to see the, i think, the, oh, it just shows georgia, this is just a bracket, okay? and that's what it is really, it's really interesting, again, going back to, you know, just opposing stilton version blinking rubber software,

who's talking in front of, of a body. but know when it gets probably heard over even care of as bad as these are being bar limit, which, which, which, which i give kudos the usual judge. you know, the name that iris m pc actually pushed back, but we never heard the response from us from stilton. but, but it's interesting is that us policy is shafting not only ukraine, but also the european union. okay. because it's really and dealing with it blinking, it's so obsessed with post war. i mean, i guess he's, you know, he's gonna forgive me, your opinions will foot the bill or something like that in because of course, you know, both your capitalism. but it's the same as that it's, it's a seamless program for blinking, and it's basically about arms of arms be care, man to, you know, we have this a money laundering operation. you know, where you send money, but oh, it does get suddenly comes back. it was something verbs of virginia. it's a racket. yes it is the racket, as you said,

the model that they've um will landed on is this uh, model of israel, but somehow, well, we will actually have a formal literature line so that we know what and i should be on the hook to go to war. and you know, they have um, but we will be sending you an awful lot of uh, military equipment uh a courtesy of uh, america tax. but it isn't gonna just be sending you a ser, everything that you want. but you're still going to have to do the uh, the fighting your so no, i showed him. but however, as it always rubies, one for oil, an oil for one. you know, he, well, he has a very different model in mind that you know, once you brain is in the bottom where we're all good to go and fight the new brains being hot and the americans are basically say, no, i mean, they said that before bill is and with blinking,

i mean he's not even making any promises that it will be a native membership for you at any time. i mean, she showed them bucks that yes, well we skipped the, the membership action plan phase. but that's just because we're really, really moving foster was late to membership. well the americans think it was skipped the membership action plan because of the to be a membership. so there's no point in the ship action. perhaps it is going to be uh, you know, send the sending, you know, everything. so now already they say, well, we're going to send this a, d a c m s, um ms. uh, so just gonna keep doing it. but ultimately, i mean, we're just going to, you're going to be, do think, doing the dying and again, the ukrainians, the ones who made this idiotic bargain. i mean, the history of it because they're, you know, they go to the military and the state is harming americans that are getting killed . and all of these might symbolic dishes, like made rom than others like white,

gleeful about that hey, wasn't good. this is a good bargain, you know, our industries are making money. we're not getting killed, right? i mean, if this stupid enough to, once it gets sharp up on the front lines, that's the local. so it's a very cynical operation. um, but the, there's been no push back from the europeans one. well, they also do the martin again going back to blinking strip. you know, of, obviously i didn't see everything you had to say, but i saw a large chunks of it. there's nothing about the, the counter offensive. what a plan b, it's a whole about and george's, right, not about nato. it just like how we're going to move forward after the conflict. and the problem with that kind of magical thinking is that you're not taking the russian side into account. i mean, they're going to, when did they decide to stop? stop lighting? when did they decide when they believe that they secured their goals? and one of them is not made the nato membership for you. great. so again, blinking is completely disconnected from reality. mark disconnected. um,

i do like your friends um, brinkman's trip. what do you actually suggest to use this thing is of doing hotline, but i'm not come to you. so i'm for to minutes? probably before he makes the i i've heard been such things happen in care, but we'll leave it at that. okay, cool. oh, yeah. but you know, where is all this heavy i think i think what we're experiencing now is this a big issue? and i think the good thing is because we're running up to dr. barton and suppose that reelection and stuff. and um, so we don't really know where we are. there's also the fact that there is a huge gap now in, in a minute, from military submitting to minutes just perspective, lots of talk of f sixteens. i was quite shocked to see the headlines a few weeks ago or from the ministration approves european f. 16 and you know, it's like a good idea of oh, hold that thought i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on you can stay with our tea or

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um, the latest headlines are, is that something like 60 f sixteens dating back to the 1970s will be procured from a number of european countries. um, but how this is going to happen and why america isn't contributing any themselves? is rather old. i saw it. and so does it got this? hello, and how do we fill that gap? you know, what they earliest opportunity. what was the f sixteens in ukraine? i think well realistically, be next summer. some people are saying may be spring, but i've just read today that the pilots, the training pilots were needs to be sent city to u. k. for training before they stopped the actual f. 16 training. so what is the training in the u. k? is it language lessons? i'm wondering if the role of my country honestly in the training will interest in martin also m e b b b. they use the infrastructure that is needed to maintain these

play of okay, they're all, but they're still sophisticated, relatively for other air forces in the world. what about these air strips setting? do they exist in charge on the ship that to you so well, the f, 16 air strips be somehow magically immune from being attacked. i mean, and then you know, all of the spare parts of the fuel and all that. i mean, this is a major, major undertake i don't believe it's gonna ever happen. i think it's, i think it's just, they're talking out of their sleep, george. right. but just the sending more and more stuff and it goes in the for your grade is going to be what's the next thing that they go to and it, i mean we, you know, we, we had the drum b though, we need the, the, the, the tires, and the, the drum and tanks, so the name of the gentleman size that way we need the american tanks. i go, you go to the, the m one. abrams. thanks. i know what i would need the f sixteens. okay. go the sixteens. oh, now we need this a, d a m s ms. uh look at where you go less. so go, we've got the next thing that's going to turn the tide. um and of course it hasn't

done so. i mean, and what was interesting is, um, let me go back to the point about blinking, delusional talk. is that a blinking press? the said a deep right. well, this counter offensive, very, very successful, basically 50 percent of what the charge of russia gain since it's not that it's operations. 50 percent has been one back by ukraine. and then you look at the washington po, as you know, they actually get a show to show the map. there's nothing like 50 percent, i mean they're just so you know, they just, they've just making this up and up to the 50 percent of the territory. there was nothing like it. i mean is, is, you know, the green is a one very small amount of territory back, but it's not nothing like 50 percent. that means it's still an enormous rabbits are true that russia has game, but yeah, they just keep fueling this, this delusion. and then the question is, what's the end game here?

another nama, and here they are, the do have something and come up with a sheldon, but blinking sullivan, they're not able to spell out well what, what's your, what's your in game here? that is what we're going to show a democracy is, prevails over or talk. this is a pro 10, you know, most must be stopped a, you know, you know, you, you, your, it must be safe from the boot. and so i gave him the, you know, they're not able to spell out even what they tried to do all of them. well, let's just keep this going. and the tell everyone what a fantastic successive has been. we should have. well, it is easy just to continue with that. marty it's, it's very interesting. you have these pundents as a rush has already been defeated or it's it's losing. okay. it's what, what was the georgia think you're the one that does um, pointed it out to me. right. rush is a diminished power of power that is being diminished and then well, that just brings up the question. if it brush it is, be, is a diminish. it's out of diminishing trajectory those. those are the words. then why

shouldn't ukraine be and nato, they don't need nato if they're diminishing rushes, military power? the 2nd issue here, this obsession with square meters. i find that a nonsensical if you go back again, if you just listen to what people say, where is stephen cohen would save, you put yourself in the other guy shoes. you know, the russian objective is, be nice vacation in demilitarization. it's demilitarized thing you break. it's not seeking territory per se. now that may change in the future when russia has its own offensive. my point in bringing up those 2 points is that the, the, the, the narratives are so skewed. i mean, there's nothing post each other. and i think that's an intentional again, but on the, on the part of the blankets and all the rest of them. and that's just skewed, i guess. i think the point made by a little bit. and the answer you did with the tucker was um 3. and he said look,

the west just doesn't understand the russian. this is the problem. you know, you have this different ideas, different perspectives on democracy, state building and on the future of, of how people consider around the countries. russians place huge emphasis on the size and unity of the country. first and foremost, before, so cool, west and ideas of democracy and entry gentlemen, accountability to elected officials. we don't get, we don't understand that, but russia, russia will never give in with the surveillance, right? no matter what the case is, i mean made. the 2nd point is it was, the ukraine will never, ever have the numbers. when we talk about soldiers, i'm talking about the, some of them they will never be able to match what russia is producing. and so, you know, the new idea as well. okay. maybe maybe the more should be moved or should be transferred to the sky. can we can and have a lot of f sixteens, a mix, and that would be an amazing media destruction for at least 6 months or years just

so we can get to 2024. before i would put money on trump coming back in, i mean i would put literally put my grandmother savings on it. i really do think it's an issue negligible for the new ton, the screws, the motion. you put the guy in jail. i'm always just guaranteed to, to run his president, but there is this delusion there is this a folk over these, these, this frontier and the general list of just playing along with this and producing more fake news. i mean, it's not being picked up. it is interesting how will she generally, very recently talked about the ukraine on me, making some sort of achievement along that front line, the russian, the russian defense line 3 lines inside of these concrete set of dragons cheats. but still true. they didn't make it. i mean, if you come in forces break through those 3 lines of dragon's teeth, you don't think that's going to be on the front page. the guardian 1st and then you can say, you know, where's the skis $1000000000.00?

it didn't happen. it won't happen. well, you'll have what you'll find to get some of the villages on the other side, some of the villages that rush that it was holding onto on the other side, in the ukraine side. and sometimes they give them up. they get both of them to get rest of them. you know, you kindful, take the village and suddenly everybody pulls out a sofa and stuff today. oh, the self is, you know, the big one village then population of state and we do a one time was 43 people. so i mean we're talking about now we'll go a tour of the scott scott resort. got you have on the show officer said recently, but there were a number of cases that he supported of the training. and so his offices going, walking on foot and going through these dragon's teeth, taking sofas themselves personally, most social media, and then scuffling back so that that's how pathetic it is. you know, that's really where we are with the crime or what the charge also in the mix here was the rest of the you go to color moist the but believe to be one of the sponsors

of a, of bob zelinski. when he was running for president, but arrested on fraud which none of us cuz the personalized bikes for but yeah, um this whole push to this anti corruption. so it was like 15 minutes ago you could talk of corruption and ukraine. now it's like, there's always days cleaning it all up. okay. though there still will be an audit here. what do you read into that? what weight is it a consolidation? because it seems to me that's what i excuse even more isolated and making them even more dependent on, on washington. he doesn't have to listen. anybody in the european union, he doesn't care because the americans don't care what's going on there. and this cannot be coincidental. well i think it's, uh, it is consolidation. it's a matter of ensuring the kid is completely subordinate to america because requirements and i called them once, gave someone that they might because i've never been very happy about. they think

he's very untrustworthy. i mean, not just the corruption, they don't go so much that you know, he likes money. i mean, you know, who does a it was it small that, um they, they think that he might just see if he can work out some kind of a deal with the other options. he said things in the past. um, you know, some years ago in which he pretty much is the said, what is all this? but this will be a visual him, i think it was 2017 that the americans are ready to fight to the last ukranian. they don't really care about all. well, that they're just using us as a battering ram against russia. i mean, this is very all this, but it was all this to go to market 10 years ago when you blows things like that, about it. in interviews with the new york times, the americans really don't appreciate it very much and they put color mice, get all the sanctions list or it is some time ago. and the now they have, you know, but the things of ends get well enough already. you know, you've got to get him out, you go to get

a hold of the people around you who may think this is nuts. we need to work something out. now where, you know, we're, we're just being led to the store to buy the united states. they don't care about us, you know, wait, wait, wait, just a, uh, a nice little uh tool and i think they will, they will, they want everyone like that are still, which is another one. i think they want the demo as well. but anyway, anyway, to quickly talk some sense has got to be moved out of the way of the n m, and those that remain the same. it still can participate and benefit from the graphs because every time you know they're going to visual sets up by way above another 1000000000 for you. if you don't really buy the linux, the questions and the couch, we're really good for you are. yeah, isn't extraordinary, isn't it, isn't it so? so funny, but don't let me look an american and british press coverage of the claim will one thing we don't see. one thing that we should see, but we've done se, is we'd never see profile pitches, but profile pieces of equipment officials,

now we do protocol pictures, big pieces of our own officials or run ministers. you know, there's a big jump going around, breast them. now the moment about this new defense minister, we just, um, it's a prime ministers just installed. it has no experience. it's over in the ministry. doesn't even know when fargo yeah. but in new train, we don't see these profiles on these top people because that would be really difficult when that that'd be ready or put out. do you do profiles on people who are living in multi 1000000 dollar villas, you know, have a complete entourage, buddy gods, and i think up to those and own real estate in, in, in the bahamas and etc, etc, etc. the funny picture. so placing on social media, it might be faked, it might be photoshop, but it's very funny. it's a picture of the ukranian late to an m p. 's mind media assembly. i wasn't name up until the picture is a 2 picture double shots. one is the beginning of the penguin, where she's extremely skinny, holding a i k 47, smiling towards the camera,

and more recent photograph of how shall i say being rather large and out. and 11 to is, you know, what do gas to do when they suddenly get lots of monitors gonna have a little more. and so it can be a great diet for some and certainly raising robin. and unfortunately, gentlemen, we've run out of time on a think, my guess in budapest and america actually what they are viewers for watching us. seeing our teach the next time. remember, across the, the, the, [000:00:00;00]

the known in vietnam, american war, the vietnam war lost it for almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries are done with now. and then you can just say, now, why didn't all i'm empty? hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to bag the south vietnamese. on me, i got the not, but the american soldiers limited resistors, most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and li bye. all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive?

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