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associates through various show companies under the us constitution, and congress has the power to impeach federal officials for treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors. a resident can be removed from office if the house approves articles of impeachment by a simple majority, and then the senate must vote by a 2 thirds majority to convict after holding a trial. so even if fighting is impeached by the republican lighthouse, it would take a move and a democrats against him in the senate to get him removed from office altogether. and how does this all compact through the prosecution of the previous us present donald trump? well, trump was impeached by the house twice, but never convicted by the senate as boots largely for a long party was many have suggested that the cases against trump were politically motivated. and that now includes a russian president who, let's take a listen to what he had to say earlier, jim less as for the persecution of trump. what's happening today is good because it shows the rottenness of the american political system,
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which can not pretend to teach democracy to all others. what's happening was trump, is the persecution of a political competitor for political reasons. they just expose their internal problems. if they try to fight with us somehow, this shows who is fights and with us. and it shows the beast deal of periods of american imperialism. while the democrats have been clicked to claim the republicans aren't justified, the republicans are you. they have much more evidence with bite and then a democrats ever had with trump. so we'll be watching this one closely as republicans in the us house officially move forward with an impeachment inquiry and depressing, and by that political analyst and a filmmaker sandstone, it says there are a clear signs of corruption in the by them telling me that must be investigated what we know already to begin with is, is so blatantly corrupt in the sense of, um, i don't know, but when joe biden, you know, admitted to firing the crating and prosecutor and because you know,
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he was going out to various my, me in this and he didn't bred by didn't say it was because of that, but he's, you know, he basically said you're going to have top 5 this prosecutor, you're not getting your money. i mean, that already was so blatantly corrupt right. and a conflict of interest when your son has more of an energy company there. i think that overall this inquiry, it needs to happen. there's, there's so much evidence has come out and i think there's even more that needs to come to light. now regarding the overall culture of corruption, when it comes to joe biden is in his son hunter, for example, we, we've learned over this this past year. so why not investigate it? why not bring it to light? as the previous roles were suggesting, like there was the, you know, the had, these are the tax on trump previously went to impeachment that were, had much less evidence, frankly, than what we see now with, with joe biden. so i don't see why we would be opposed to it, and i think that there of house representatives could very easily vote for impeachment. it's a lot to look at the news for now, but say with us next on,
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cross talk, the rise of the alternative for germany party and the push for some to get the the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter lavelle. the alternative for germany is on the rise, doubling its popularity since the last election cycle. this party challenges neo liberal orthodoxies on the issues of immigration, military alliances, and the nature of the european union and much more. this is why there are some who want alternative for germany band,
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the cross talking german politics. i'm joined by my guess, john laughlin in paris. he's a university lecture in history and political philosophy in dubai. we have ralph niemeyer, he is chairman of the council for a constitution in sovereignty, and in cabinets we crossed to michael brook. he is a political analyst. all right, gentlemen, comstock rose in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. john, let me go to you 1st. see you in in paris. what do you know? what, how do you explain the rise of the alternative for germany? because anywhere in main stream media, legacy media, it is, it is uh, we should all be running for the hills. we should be terrified of these people, the most derogatory things that you can say about politicians and a political party. and that's saying something these days is applied to the alternative for germany. explained to us a while. it so ridiculous kind of picture. i mean, the policy was founded i believe, about to 15 years ago,
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essentially by economics professor as it has a rather a lead to storage. and it cannot mix professors who were worried about the euro. and they didn't want german suffering to german monetary sovereignty to be dissolved in new york and minus a union. and for many years that was the essence of a, of these policies. and then, little by little of the, let's say, more populist issues came to the full, particularly immigration. and now of course, the whole issue of the war with russia. but the idea that this is, uh, some kind of, uh, you know, rene sunset, whatever is all basically ridiculous if you compare the if the 2 you came to the united kingdom independence policy, which has, in some respects, a similar history. having also started off being uh, originally founded by uh, by academics. um, uh, but uh, in fact uh, a different story in the sense that you can have a one uh, any of
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a seats in the national problem. and um, the, the fact is that the i sd, is much more centrist than you can. you can give that to you, cause the danger to democracy on the country. you could for ends up winning in the sense that breakfast, of course was, was carried out in 2020. but the, if the doesn't cool 1st thing is rather cold as leaving the european union. so. so the idea that it's an extreme is policy is it is quite wrong in another course. the fact that it's labeled as such is an indication of the left is drift and indeed of the tendency to sense the shape and to tell the tire. and this in which characterizes so much you are paying politics today, not, not just in, not just in germany. what ralph, i, the, the, the, the party recently had a gathering and an issue that we would call in american politics a, a platform. and i read it through, i think it's like 97 pages along. very interesting reading into echo with john said there,
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i found it to be quite moderates. i don't see any extremism at all. now questioning nato that has been something that people have been talking about since the end of the cold war. so i don't think that is extreme having control of your own borders. but that's the, it shouldn't be an extreme disposition to want to have sovereignty. that's the whole point here is that it's challenging these piet's use of neo liberalism, but you're simply not allowed to do ralph a yeah, that's correct. and then that way i must agree or was withdrawn because it is a party that is democratically elected. and actually, i don't find other than that, i disagree with with the economic policy. maybe because i'm rather investors them to marxist. but i don't find them being extremely right being what they are being branded all the time. they're actually not. i mean, some members probably are to be seen in a different lives, but this has been all parties. you can go to the left as you find some style in
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this communist debt, you know, but the majority of the body, generally d a f, d is filling a gap that the c d, u d crystal comes out of conservative solve the mrs. mac, all of that because mrs. margaret was too much as so for the democrats, charles though that she was from the c d. u and she probably created a f d by the also by her little stats on, on the immigration issue that aroused in 2015 the year. oh, but it is widely accepted. know, although a, if these to assess, they want to leave it. but if you imagine to go back to deutsche and mark, we would all say that this would make our products too expensive. in the end, we wouldn't export anything anymore because everyone would try to buy it into dodge and marketing or the new dot to mark. so this is not really a concept that they can in all earnest the following day. they need to accept that
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the heroes, the euro and to be, they have for some time. well, yeah, but they're having, having reform, monetary policy is also necessary. i think we all know that as the e u is essentially facing bankruptcy. michael, let me go to, i mean, a rough kind of touched upon it here. i mean, can you describe for my viewers? are viewers who votes for this pop already? why is it attractive? it's doubled its popularity since the last election cycle. that's an earthquake for, for established democracies like germany, who votes for them who supports them in the for the f b and most the, the home submitted uh, the, the submitted. uh that is uh see the event on the truck to the bottom. busy the size of
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the property and sold it has no uh d as to will close the d. and that may make a t c in the homes, nearly 70 percent of the property. and uh, germany is the boss and the best uh and the east on the side. and in the, in the east of the ac gets nearly $70.00 and the biggest, uh the, uh, the biggest uh this much mobiles. and uh, and so the used to come in uh the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the come in and yes, a new listing of the government. uh, the same and all positions its anybody, it's, uh, all right. so let me tell you to the quality supplier pointing to the government. and so the people say this government does not because he doesn't
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pay it. and so the, the, the, the box, they say they use it as a way to box the government. exactly. telling me if i'm somebody this is turning into a party for the politically homeless because it and it's, it's, it's, it's going across geographically. and again, it's a, it's a strong hold and the east, but it's spreading. okay. and they are winning local elections here. and i would do respect to our german gas here. oh, you know, over the last 20 years, i really don't see much difference in these parties whatsoever, except for b a. if d, john. well, the, if these one much more the local elections pizza, they have uh, nearly 18 members in the national parliament in the buddhist. talk about the, the, the politically, the phenomena of the politically homeless that you rightly identify is, is by the way, upon european phenomena. and i mentioned to you kemp amendment to go in britain,
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which i placed in as early as was largely supported by disaffected, conservative party supporters. but to observe exactly the same thing. and from where the rise of the national riley that i some of them on that. so now is in direct proportion to the left, ism and centrism of the previously main stream sent to right party. you see the same thing initially, obviously with the rise of the fraternity, talia, you see it in the netherlands, which is being governed by a, a supposedly liberal law or at least 10 to rights coalition. but which in reality has drifted ever further to the left and up as the angular mac codes, whose impala full of 1516 years, she governed, uh for 3 out of have full terms of office together with the social democrats. so least circle center, right? policies have shifted to the center or even to the left,
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and that is indeed what creates the i state phenomenon in germany and all the other phenomena. i've mentioned that the other countries around how much is the crane issue field parties like the f d and other populace parties in, in europe. but definitely it is. um showing some, uh, reset by the voters who say they disagree with the government also on that issue. they don't believe the mainstream media propaganda. that's a, so auntie ross and the bios that people, they say, you know, we want to have peace with russia. we don't want to send us into a conflict. we want to have the more neutral stance in that. and that's why they support policies, of course, who do say that, but it was not only the a, if the who signed this is also the left as body. and now you'll have to look at a new phenomenon. yeah, because sarah bivens next will start
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a new policy that will attract voters from a cd, the social democrats and her current tasks, and are still a frontier. and a former leader of 2000 democrats. e book push far to get to probably 20 percent as well. now you have 20 percent, a steep, potentially about a potential 20 percent on the left is so the question is if they split the opposition like that, why wouldn't they not go in at least one way to get in this issue, but they say, let's stop the war and ukraine, half of populist government and overthrow shows just for the sake that we can add to this war. and after that pass democratic with falls into the country that over to you. and probably the reason why people are voting for extreme is bodies are so caught, extreme was politics, i could set it up on the spot, is democratic because the elective democratically and within the constitution. yeah
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. but i mean, it's kind of the sum total of our, our discussion taskbar, is that this is much more than a protest. it's a, it's, it's coherent, it's ideologically coherent, and it's quote, creating a base for itself. no, under the establishment is a freight gentleman. i'm going to jump in here, we're gonna go to a short break and asked about short break. we'll continue our side discussion on german politics. stay with the the
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the the the welcome ex, across stock. were all things are considered 9 people about your mind. you were discussing german politics. the . okay, go back to michael. michael is a remarkably, i suppose maybe it shouldn't be remarkable of annalee to better box. the for
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administer said a few months ago that she didn't care what her constituents thought when it comes to ukraine. she visited the european parliament and said that, uh, that we're at war with russia. i mean, how much is that a catalyst to people this, throw up their arms and say, this is coming from the green party. the whole party is here. i mean, there, i just think there is such a disaffection from the establishment again from afar. when i look at these parties here, they are so homogenous at the end of the day, because they all clicked their heels when they're told to buy the united states. go ahead mike. the following is the, is the best, the f, b c b, and is when it say something that people losses. uh they, they don't know who the teacher that makes a goals and there's no to say that yeah. has 560 days and we will know so
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yes we and i think about this and he said a few days ago that the yes uh huh. 60 days and the goals and yes, and they also, they need to go based off. so they are in such a sleep as se is in the, in the and yes ma'am, you can see this copy uh, the tea button, this the t. and so the, the s 5 to sleep which is in the government and uh for the f b because uh, every vote for the f b is the way to class is gonna cost is every reason you formation this and uh, they made it easy for the oh, so hold for the and the comedy not wish to be the the we as i say the next month and i can use the search can chase from the system. yeah, i know in
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a padded block also famously said that put and asked to change his position on ukraine 360 degrees. that's why he's not good with numbers. ok, i can, you know, i just upgraded with geography. she's not good with history. anyway, john, i'm back to business here. there seems to be a real serious effort to try to ban this political party. and there is a means to do it through the constitutional court. what does that mean to the fact that the read contemplating it? i mean, why can't they just, you know, they just don't trust voters, they don't trust the democratic process. what's, what's going on here, john? and i want to answer on that piece of it, but i just want to come and tell him your question to michael. just now to make sure i land his on so i'm afraid i don't think we should get too carried away hoping that they. ready be a great left right alliance in favor of peace and ukraine, and essentially adopting what is caricature does it probably russian position the
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if day is very split on the issue of russia. it split among its leadership and it splits among its members. there is in particular, an east west split within the i stay, we talked about the east germany leads to impact to germany, a moment to go. the east mother, germany is more radical than the west of germany, which is more liberal about in the east of the anti russian feeling. which of which is a hangover from the communist period remains fairly strong. and i don't think that we can say that the, if the electrodes in the eastern part of germany is necessarily pro russia in the ukraine conflicts. and in order for that to be in the lives with sort of talking today, they would have to be a very strong united if the, because a position on this. and i fear that both are internal reasons. and also by the way, for. ready europe and political reasons, because the if day belongs to a group in the european parliament,
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which is definitely not pro russian. although some of its pub member parties may have been in the past. for that reason as well. i think the i of days position on russia is relatively cautious. they cool, of course, they cool for peace, which is regarded as being pro russian box. uh, they all have a strong, as i say by these internal divisions. and indeed, the whole history of the i stay has been one of the internal divisions. the policy has systematically lost its leaders. there's been splits. is one of these policies, but these very very and totally divided. okay. the only issue of finding yes, uh the german, um, uh, fits for the protection of the constitution as put it as the policy on the surveillance put them under surveillance 2 years ago. and this shows once again, the tele, terry and drift of europe, europe. germany is not the only country where this is happening. it's also happening in the netherlands with forum for democracy has been singled out by the dutch intelligent services as
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a danger to the states and the danger to democracy. but it shows the, the extreme decrepit to develop political systems. that policies which i know, certainly a democratically elected but which are internally very democratic. i have days like many of the german political passages, very internally democratic with lots of folks taking them on the top team members. for example, folks who should be the candidates in such and such an election. yeah, i do that these people are a danger to democracy. really is absolutely horrifying. and it shows, indeed how the, the secret service is and the, the, they, they circled the bodies that are supposed to protect the constitution. and these various states call themselves the primary dangers of democracy. heidi mike. yeah, ralph and you know it's, it's really kind of an echo of what they're trying to do to trump in his supporters . they. they want to get him off the ballot. ok. they don't want to give people the opportunity to vote for or against them. they tend to forget that that's how voting
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work to vote for or against something or someone against another person. you. they don't even want to give them that opportunity. what do you think they would, would there just be a passive exempt instead this party could be banned. but i mean, i'm saying a little deserving does closely as well. but i must say here, this is only making them more popular. it is if you want to compare that with another lawsuit against prestone trauma, that makes him even more support the same be watched with the former east german, the ruling party, p d. s, the former communist or socialist body to trans into the body of democratic socialism. often walking down, they had all of the ups of asians by the office for protection of the so called constitution and all that, you know, and they, whenever they found is the link of the great of dc my left,
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the lead us of the party at that time the policy went up, the people united is behind this man the behind the party because i'm sort of directly under the same to happen here as well. i mean, they try to balance a party one time. that was the not so knowledgeable partnership, but i that's low impact. the next level is really the assessors potty actually. and they try to bend that the federal constitutional court is about favorites. big time . it's about 10 years ago. so i'm, so since that time we know it is not easy to band the parties and especially why wouldn't some of the band d a s d? i mean, they are, i mean, down my thoughts, you know, i'm on the opposite sides of the political spectrum. but what i own stuff is the principally, the democratically organized and okay, some members why something difficult sometimes, but what we're not that's democracy because because stand up become just liquid.
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i don't think that this is not a beef to develop, to put that into that process. of finding it monte does is just making them more popular if they want this than yes, that's the way to do it. yeah, i'm michael. yeah. it seems to me that it be worrying about the growing popularity of the party isn't a deterrent from the powers that be on the. what we have in the west is very a hedge, a monic political class, and they will do everything in their power. we see it everywhere, they will do everything to protect their power. if it's even against public popular will i think they will go after they have the go ahead. a yes good. so i to the steps and the every time it's like a position. so it's not, we need to be empty is a lot of all this is a move uh by the, by the government and to be seen as they see that the, um yes,
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the size to the, to the, to the side and the yeah. because the people to see is the government side for this up to be. they have to vote. you model the, the and so the guy, uh, the, uh and uh, the mazda service, me, and i don't see that the government size to be so bad as a and b i v was, i wouldn't be the best see that the, the can happen because the not model is just to discuss is i can see this discussion the it's a very good on the air and as a process for the hire, somebody needs maybe 5 or more. yeah. and then since i've been on the west side in 203-2070,
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uh they said no me time is a full year and maybe so okay, for the the website, you know, and this time when low speed was pnc so, so the government isn't c a and let's say you have to a modem off of the, you know, so i kind of really, you said to go on. that is the, well, you know, they're, you know, they think of going back to young. they're going back to the issue of ukraine. i mean, i see that i see the west being ukrainian ice because zalinski band all of his opposition and it was a cheered by the west. okay. i cheered by the state department. so what's, what's, i'm a german political party who cares about that. we're getting to the point where there's going to be reasons for people, or there will be no reason for people to go to the polls. if the leads are going to determine who you can vote for, finish up for as john and yeah, i mean, i think that even if the policy is not bands,
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the fact that this has been formally declared to be under suspicion as it was in 2021, which means that, uh the, uh, the custom shorts, the, the, the body which puts a allegedly protects the constitution can spy on the policy. you can listen to that phone conversations can put them on the formal suspicion. i think that that is already even if they are banned in a few, it's time that is itself a disgraceful step. because naturally it means that they are operating under control. that means that the policy members in leadership will practice self censorship and so on. so i, i don't think that the fact that the, uh any, any attempt to close it down like failed means that this attempt in itself is not terrible. it is terrible. and i also think, and i think this is what you're suggesting in your question, peter. when you are in a situation of military conflict, as we are adoptable, the german foreign minister, as you've just said, has said we are well with russia as an older usual se scouts about women rights
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liberties. and so i'm go straight out of the window because if germany says, i'm johnny, i'm sorry on this very important point. john, i have to interrupt here. we have run out of time on, i think, my guess in paris, the by and cabinets. and thanks. so our viewers for watching us here at our pc and next time and remember prospect the we are in august on what is most ethically of culturally diverse regions on the entire planet. as you make your way through your discovery, each region is known for its own unique arts and traditions.
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