try to thank you know, some of the final thoughts from the 8th, the eastern economic for, and we have a chance to talk to dion song, head of international business, to as one pictures company on chinese and russian. send him a token and say he believes that quite a few mutually beneficial prospects for the 2 countries in the film industry. i think it's a great opportunity for chinese films and for russia in chinese, come media coming into cooperates and to introduce more chinese smith films to the russian audience. and i think hollywood movie as spend many years to build the audience base and now they exit. we, china is one of these actually we have a wide variety of genres. we have comedy is a lot of sy fi and all the main main. john was similar to hollywood films and now i would have a films, production value is actually pretty high. and i was, i would say at the same level with hollywood movies. so i think it could be

a very good replacement to fail with a gap and just introduce something new to the russian audience. the chinese, so mark is a very big market. we, chinese audience, we not only see our own local productions, we see some of them all around the world. and in this year, so we don't have that money rush for on. so that's showing in china. but in the future, we look forward to talking more russian films to be shown and chinese send them us to. i mean, if i states somebody or not the international, the always appreciates his extension will updates on our website, auntie, don't com. and i'll be back with the rest of the team, the top down, the the

hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the alternative for germany is on the rise, doubling its popularity since the last election cycle. this party challenges neo liberal orthodoxies on the issues of immigration, military alliances, and the nature of the european union, and much more. this is why there are some who want alternative for germany band, the cross talking german politics. i'm joined by my guess, john laughlin in paris. he's a university lecture in history and political philosophy in dubai. we have ralph niemeyer, he is chairman of the council for a constitution and sovereignty, and in cabinets. we crossed to michael brook. he is a political analyst or a gentleman called cycles in effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. john, let me go to your 1st to you in,

in parents. what do you know, what, how do you explain the rise of the alternative for germany? because anywhere in mainstream media, legacy media, it is, it is uh, we should all be running for the hills. we should be terrified of these people, the most derogatory things that you can say about politicians and a political party. and that's saying something these days is applied to the alternative for germany. explained to us a while. it so ridiculous kind of picture. i mean, the policy was founded i believe, about to 15 years ago, essentially by economics professor as it has a rather elite storage. and it cannot mix professors who were worried about the euro and they didn't want german suffering. t, german monetary sovereignty to be dissolved in new york and minus a union. and for many years that was the essence of a, of these policies. and then, little by little of the, let's say, more populist issues came to the full, particularly immigration. and now of course,

the whole issue of the war with russia, but the idea that this is, uh, some kind of, uh, you know, rene sunset, whatever is all basically ridiculous if you compare the if the 2 you came to the united kingdom independence policy, which has in some respects, a similar history i think also started off being uh, originally founded by uh, by academics. um, uh, but uh, in fact a different story in the sense that you can have a one uh, any, a seats in the national problem. and um, the, the fact is that the, i sd, is much more centrist than you can. you can give that, that you could, was a danger to democracy on the country. you could for ends up winning in the sense that breakfast, of course was, was carried out in 2020. but the, if the doesn't cool furnace thing is rather cold as leaving the european union so. so the idea that it's an extreme is policy is, is quite wrong in the end of the course. the fact that it's labeled as such, yeah,

is an indication of the left is drift and indeed of the tendency to sense the shape and to tell the tire. and this in which characterizes so much your opinion, politics today, not, not just in, not just in germany. what ralph, i, the, the, the, the party recently had a gathering and an issue that we would call in american politics a, a platform. and i read it through, i think it's like 97 pages along. very interesting reading into echo with john said there, i found it to be quite moderates. i don't see any extremism at all. now questioning nato that has been something that people have been talking about since the end of the cold war. so i don't think that is extreme having control of your own borders. but actually it shouldn't be an extreme disposition to want to have sovereignty. that's the whole point here is that it's challenging these piet's ease of neo liberalism, but you're simply not allowed to do ralph a yeah, that's correct. and then that way i must agree or was withdrawn because it is

a party that is democratically elected. and actually, i don't find other than that, i disagree with with the economic policy. maybe because i'm rather investors them to marxist. but i don't find them being extremely right being what they are being branded all the time. they're actually not. i mean, some members probably are to be seen in a different lives, but this has been all parties. you can go to the left as you find some style in this communist debt, you know, but the majority of the body, generally d, a s d is feeling they've got that the cd you, the crystal comes out of the conservatives, of them is a smack of that because mrs. america was too much as so democrats, charles though she was from c d, u, and she probably created a f d by the also by her little stats on,

on the immigration issue that aroused in 2015 the year. oh, but it is widely accepted. no, although a of these deals that they want to leave it. but if you imagine to go back to deutsche and mark, we would all say that this would make our products too expensive. in the end. we wouldn't export anything anymore. because everyone would try to buy and to dodge and marketing or the new dot to mark. so this is not really a concept that they can in all earnest, the following day. they need to accept that the euro is the, you're willing to be there for some time. well, yeah, but they're having, having a reform monetary policy is also necessary. i think we all know that as the e. u is essentially facing bankruptcy. michael, let me go to, i mean, a rough kind of touched upon it here. i mean, can you describe for my viewers? are viewers who votes for this part already? why is it attractive? it's doubled its popularity since the last election cycle. that's an earthquake for,

for um, established democracies like germany who votes for them who supports them in the for the f b and most of the, the home submitted uh the submitted. uh that is uh see the inside on the truck to the bottom table. the door plus the side of the property and sold it. no, uh well see, and so we'll close the d as that may make a t c in the homes, get nearly 70 percent of the property. and uh, germany is the boss and the best uh and the east on the site is useful. and in the, in the use of the ac gets nearly $70.00. and this is the biggest uh, the,

uh, the bigger files through this much mobiles. and uh, and so the use the company uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, cost is the man. and yes, oh, this is one of the government. uh, the positions its anybody it's, uh let me see. let me tell me going to the quality supplier pointing to the government. and so people say this government does not because he doesn't pay it. and so the, the, the, the box, they say they use it as a way to bypass the government. exactly. telling me if i send me this isn't turning into a party for the politically homeless because it, and it's, it's, it's, it's going across geographically. and again, it's a, it is a strong hold and the east, but it's spreading. okay. and they are winning local elections here. and i would do

respect to our german gas here. oh, you know, over the last 20 years i really don't see much difference in these parties whatsoever, except for b a f d john. well, the, if these one much more of the local elections pizza, they have uh, nearly 18 members in the national parliament in the buddhist. talk about the, the, the politically, the phenomena of the politically homeless that you write. the identify is, is by the way upon european phenomena and i mentioned you get a moment to go in britain, which i tasted as early as was lovely, supported by disaffected, conservative party supporters. but to observe exactly the same thing. and from where the rise of the national riley that i some of them on that. so now is in direct proportion to the left, ism and centrism of the previously main stream sent to right party. you see the same thing initially, obviously with the rise of the fraternity d'italia,

you see it in the netherlands, which is being governed by a, a supposedly liberal law or at least 10 to rights coalition. but which in reality has drifted ever further to the left and up as the angular mac codes, whose impala full of 1516 years, she governed, uh for 3 out of have full terms of office together with the social democrats. so least circle center, right? policies have be shifted to the center or even to the left, and that is indeed what creates the i state phenomenon in germany. and all the other phenomena are i've mentioned in the other countries around how much is the crane issue. field parties like the f, b and other populace parties in, in europe. but definitely it is um, showing some, uh, reset by developed as to say, they disagree with the government also on that issue. they don't believe the mainstream media propaganda. that's a so auntie ross and the buyers that people,

they say, you know, we want to have peace with russia. we don't want to send us into a conflict. we want to have the more neutral stance in that. and that's why they support policies, of course, who do say that, but it's not letting me be a, if the who signed this is also the last as biology. and now you'll have to look at a new phenomenon. yeah, because sarah bivens next will start a new policy that will attract voters from a cd, the social democrats on to the current task and our skill frontier and the former leader of the social democrats. the book push far to get to probably 20 percent as well. now you have 20 percent and the potential about a potential 20 percent on the left is so the question is if they split the opposition like that, why wouldn't they not go in at least one way to get in this issue, but they say,

let's stop the war and ukraine, half of populist government and overthrow shows just for the sake that we can add to this war. and after the past democratic with walls in the country that over to you. and probably the reason why people are voting for extreme is bodies are so caught the extreme was politics, i could set it up at a spot is democratic because the elective democratically and within the constitution. yeah. but i mean, it's kind of the sum total of our, our discussion taskbar, is that this is much more than a protest. it's a, it's, it's coherent, it's ideologically coherent, and it's quote, creating a base for itself. no, under the establishment is a freight gentleman. i'm going to jump in here, we're gonna go to a short break and asked about short break. we'll continue our side discussion on german politics. stay with our to the

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a few months ago that she didn't care what her constituents thought when it comes to ukraine. she visited the european parliament and said that, uh, that we're at war with russia. i mean, how much is added catalyst to people this throw up their arms and say, this is coming from the green party. the whole party is here. i mean, there, i just think there is such a disaffection from the establishment again from afar. when i look at these parties here, they are so homogenous at the end of the day because they all clicked their heels when they're told to um, by the united states. go ahead, mike is the, is the best on the c b and is the say something that people losses. uh they, they don't know what the teachers they make a goals and now she said yeah, has i found out 60 days and we will know so yes, we are not thinking about this. and he said

a few days ago that the yes uh huh. 60 days and the goals and yes, and they also, they, they don't make it off at all. they are in such a sleep as se, the gemini, in the and yes, many people to see this tapia t t. and so the slides to, honestly, this is in the air because we've all the f b is the way to class is gonna cost is the reason you formation this and uh, it made it easy for the whole, for the, and the comedy not wish to be potty the we as i say the next month and i can use the, the letters that can change the the system down the yeah. in the block also

famously said that putting asked to change his position on ukraine 360 degrees this way. he's well, good with numbers. okay. i can, you know, i'd say that very, with geography. she's not good with history. anyway, john, i'm back to business here. there seems to be a real serious effort to try to ban this political party. and there is a means to do it through the constitutional court. what does that mean to the fact that the read contemplating it? i mean, why can't they just, you know, they just don't trust voters, they don't trust the democratic process. what's, what's going on here, john? and i want to answer on that piece of it, but i just want to come and tell him your question to michael just now to me, try it on his on. so i'm afraid i don't think we should get too carried away hoping that they. ready be a great left right alliance in favor of peace and ukraine, and essentially adopting what is caricature does it probably russian position or the if day is very split on the issue of russia. it split among its leadership,

the end, it splits among its members. there is in particular, an east west split within the i stay. we talked about the east germany leads to impact to germany a moment ago. the east mother, germany is more radical than the west of germany, which is more liberal about in the east of the anti russian feeling. which of which has a hangover from the communist period remains fairly strong. and i don't think that we can say that the, if the electrodes in the eastern part of germany is necessarily pro russia in the ukraine conflicts. and in order for that to be in the lives with sort of talking today, they would have to be a very strong united if the, because a position on this. and i fear that both of us are internal reasons. and also by the way, for. ready europe and political reasons because the i state belongs to a group in the european parliament, which is definitely not pro russian,

although some of its pop member policies may have been in the past. for that reason as well. i think the, i, if the position on russia is relatively cautious, they cool, of course, they cool for peace, which is regarded as being pro russian box. uh, they all have a strong, as i say by these internal divisions. and indeed, the whole history of the i stay has been one of the internal divisions. the policy has systematically lost its leaders. there's been splits. is one of these policies, but these very, very internally divided. okay. the only issue of finding yes, uh the german, um, uh, fits for the protection of the constitution as put it as the policy on the surveillance put them under surveillance 2 years ago. and this shows once again, the tele, terry and drift of europe, europe. germany is not the only country where this is happening. it's also happening in the netherlands with forum for democracy has been singled out by the intelligent services as a danger to the states and the danger to democracy. but it shows the,

the extreme decrepit to develop political systems. that policies which i know, certainly a democratically elected but which are internally very democratic. i have days like many of the german fiscal passages, very internally democratic with lots of folks taking the most part team members. for example, folks who should be the candidates in such and such an election. you all do that these people are a dangerous democracy, really is absolutely horrifying. and it shows, indeed how the, the secret service is and the, the, they, they circled the bodies that are supposed to protect the constitution in these various states. call themselves the primary dangers of democracy. heidi mike. yeah, ralph and you know it's, it's really kind of an echo of what they're trying to do to trump in his supporters . they. they want to get him off the ballot. ok. they don't want to give people the opportunity to vote for or against them. they tend to forget that that's how voting work to vote for or against something or someone against another person. you. they

don't even want to give them that opportunity. what do you think they would, would there just be a passive exempt instead this party could be banned. but i mean, i'm seeing a little survey and does closely as well, but i must say here, this is only making them more popular. it is if you want to compare that with another lawsuit against prestone trauma, that makes him even more support the same be watched with the former east german, the ruling party, p d. s. the former communist or socialist party to tap into the body of democratic socialism often. and one came down. they had all of the ups of asians by the office for protection of the so called constitution and all that, you know, and they, whenever they found is the link of the great of dc my left, the lead us of the party at that time the policy went up the people united says

behind this man the behind the pa to because i'm sort of narrative and the same to have them here as well. i mean, they try to balance a party one time. that was the not so knowledgeable partnership, but i definitely will impact the next little is really the surface potty actually is. and they try to bend that the federal constitutional court is about favorites. big time is about 10 years ago. so, and since that time, we know it is not easy to band the parties and especially why wouldn't some of the band d a s d? i mean, they are, i mean down my thoughts on, on the opposite sides of the political spectrum. but what i own stuff is the principally, the democratically organized and okay, some members why something difficult sometimes, but what we're not that's democracy because because stand up become just liquid.

i don't think that this is not a beef to develop, to put that into that process. of adding it to this address, making them more popular if they want this than yes, that's the way to do it. yeah. and what michael, it seems to me that it be worrying about the growing popularity of the party isn't a deterrent from the powers that be on the. what we have in the west is very a hedge, a monic political class. and they will do everything in their power, we see it everywhere, they will do everything to protect their power. if it's even against public popular will, i think they will go after they have the go ahead, a good side to the steps and the every time i am a position to it's not only that the safety is a lot of all. this is a move uh by the, by the, by the, the seat as they see that the, um yes, that is it gone at 5 soon as to the,

to the side and the yeah. because the people to see is the government side for this up to be. they have to vote. you model the, the and so the guy, uh, the, uh and uh, the mazda service, me, and i don't see the size to be so bad as a and b, i have you as, um, it would be the best, the fusion. because the, the, the model, the, it says to discuss is the, the, this is customer loan. uh, it's very good for the air. and as a cost, as far as a hire, somebody needs maybe 5 or more. yeah. and then since i've been on the west side in 203-2070. uh they said no,

me try with them is a full year and the certification for the the which uh you go on uh and it says tire. uh. when low speed was pnc, says the government is in here, and let's say you have to a modem off of the, you know, so i can't believe he said to go on. that is the well, you know, they're, you know, they thing going back to you on the, going back to the issue of ukraine. i mean, i see that i see the west being ukranian ice because zalinski band all of his opposition. and it was a cheered by the west. okay. i cheered by the state department. so what's, what's, i'm a german political party who cares about that. we're getting to the point where there's going to be reasons for people, or there will be no reason for people to go to the polls. if the leads are going to determine who you can vote for, finish up for as john a. yeah, i mean, i think that even if the policy is not bands, the fact that this has been formally declared to be under suspicion as it was in

2021. which means that, uh the uh, the festival should stay the, the body which puts a, allegedly protects the constitution can spy on the policy. you can listen to that phone conversations can put them on the formal suspicion. i think that that is already even if they are banned in a few, it's time that is itself a disgraceful step. because naturally it means that they are operating under control. that means that the policy members in leadership will practice self censorship and so on. so i, i don't think that the fact that the, uh any, any attempt to close it down like failed means that this attempt in itself is not terrible. it is terrible. and i also think, and i think this is what you're suggesting in your question, peter. when you are in a situation of military conflict, as we are adoptable, the german foreign minister, as you've just said, has said we are well with russia. then all the usual se scouts about human rights

deputies. and so i'm go straight out since the window because if germany says i'm johnny, i'm sorry on this very important point. john, i have to interrupt here. we have run out of time on, i think, my guess in paris the by and cabinets. and thanks. so our viewers for watching us here at our pc and next time and remember prospect the, [000:00:00;00] the, we are in august on one of the most ethically, and culturally diverse regions on the entire planet. as you make your way through the start, you will discover each region is known for its own unique arts and traditions.

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