that maybe it's not, that sign is so cheap. maybe it's just that europe has become prohibitively expensive to make things and is losing its competitiveness as a result of ideologically driven, mismanagement that put sanctions and virtue sigway and other things like that before it's very own economic interest. by the way, he does that besides the you, it's not like they've done absolutely everything they can to be competitive. and now they're just rocking the brands as to why china could possibly be beating them . it's not the 1st time either, despite constantly promoting renewable energy, the u. s. of importing billions of bureaus and chinese components for them and chinese solar panels every year and brussels in washington. both want to target chinese steel as well. with terrorist, they just denounce, got a few days ago. so now the, you, it's, they're charging, take its chances on seeing if the w t. o can maybe agreed to clawback. some of the

china is the damage on the global playing field by accusing beijing of cheating. maybe it's not a china problem, maybe it's a you problem. and then it takes a better hopes that they're right on some level and that they get something, at least out of it all because it's a really big gamble to take, only to end up making a contentious relationship and really strange trade ties right now with staging the largest trading partner, even worse, as i saw, the world is looking at 9 to 31 pm most good time this wednesday evening, monday. speak to scott somebody back with another look at today's biggest stories in about half an hour's time. thanks for watching the

the hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. the alternative for germany is on the rise doubling its popularity since the last election cycle. this party challenges neo liberal orthodoxies on the issues of immigration, military alliances, and the nature of the european union, and much more. this is why there are some who want alternative for germany band, the cross talking german politics. i'm joined by my guess from laughlin in paris. he's

a university lecture in history and political philosophy in dubai. we have ralph niemeyer, he is chairman of the council for a constitution in sovereignty, and in cabinets. we crossed to michael brook. he is a political analyst. all right, gentlemen, costs are girls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. john, let me go to you 1st. see you in in paris. what, what, how do you explain the rise of the alternative for germany? because anywhere in main stream media, legacy media, it is, it is uh, we should all be running for the hills. we should be terrified of these people, the most derogatory things that you can say about politicians and a political party. and that's saying something these days is applied to the alternative for germany explained to us as well. it so ridiculous kind of picture. i mean, the policy was found it, i believe about to 15 years ago, essentially by economics professor as it has a rather a lead to storage. and it cannot mix professors who were worried about the euro. and they didn't want german software into german military sovereignty to be

dissolved in new york and minus a union. and for many years that was the essence of a, of these policies. and then, little by little of the, let's say, more populist issues came to the full, particularly immigration. and now of course, the whole issue of the war with russia. but the idea that this is, uh, some kind of, uh, you know, rene sunset, whatever is all basically ridiculous if you compare the $52.00, you came to the united kingdom independence policy, which has, in some respects, a similar history. i think also started off being uh, originally founded by uh, by academics. um, uh, but uh, in fact uh, a different story in the sense that you get and if it one uh, any of a seats and the national problem. and um, the, the fact is that the, i sd, is much more centrist than you can view and then give that to you, cause the danger to democracy on the country. you could for ends up winning in the

sense that breakfast, of course was, was carried out in 2020. but the, if the doesn't cool 1st thing is rather cold as leaving the european union. so. so the idea that it's an extreme is policy is it is quite wrong in another course. the fact that it's labeled as such is an indication of the left is drift and indeed of the tendency to sense the shape and to tell the tire. and this and which characterizes so much your opinion, politics today, not, not just in, not just in germany. what ralph, i, the, the, the, the party recently had a gathering and an issue that we would call in american politics a, a platform. and i read it through, i think it's like 97 pages along. very interesting reading into echo with john said there, i found it to be quite moderates. i don't see any extremism at all. now questioning nato that has been something that people have been talking about since the end of the cold war. so i don't think that is extreme having control of your own borders.

but that's the, it shouldn't be an extreme disposition to want to have sovereignty. that's the whole point here is that it's challenging these piet's use of neo liberalism, but you're simply not allowed to do ralph? yeah, that's correct. and that way i must agree, always withdrawn because it is a party that is democratically elected. and actually, i don't find other than that, i disagree with with the economic policy. maybe because i'm rather investors them to marxist. but i don't find them being extremely right being what they are being branded all the time. they're actually not. i mean, some members probably are to be seen in a different lives, but this has been all parties. you can go to the left as you find some stuff in this communist debt, you know, but the majority of the body, generally d, a s d is feeling they've got that the cd you,

the crystal comes out of the conservatives, of them is a smack of that because mrs. margaret was too much as software democrats, john slow though she was from the c d u, and she probably created a f d by the also by her stance on, on the immigration issue that aroused in 2015 the year. oh, but it is widely accepted know, although a of these to assess they want to leave it. but if you imagine to go back to deutsche and mark, we would all say that this would make our products too expensive. in the end. we wouldn't export anything anymore. because everyone would try to buy into dodge and marketing or the new dot to mark. so this is not really a concept that they can in on earnings as the follow. they need to accept that the euro is the euro and to be they have for some time. well, yeah, but they're having, having reform, monetary policy is also necessary. i think we all know that as the

e u is essentially facing bankruptcy. michael, let me go to, i mean, a rough kind of touched upon it here. i mean, can you describe for my viewers? are viewers who votes for this part already? why is it attractive? it's doubled its popularity since the last election cycle. that's an earthquake for, for established democracies like germany who votes for them who supports them in the, for the be and most the, the home submitted, the notes i submitted. that is a see. this is on the to the bottom. busy the site looks a little less the property and so they have no uh, d, as to will close the d. and that may make a t of the homes,

nearly 70 percent of the property. and uh, germany is the boss and the best uh and the east on the side. and in the, in the east of the ac gets nearly $70.00. and the biggest, uh yeah. the biggest uh this much mobiles and uh and so the used to come in uh the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the come in and yes. oh, this is the home and uh the, is there any way to it's uh, all right, let me see. let me tell me 424243. so the government. and so the people say this government does not because he doesn't pay enough. and so the, the, the, the box, they say they use it as

a way to bypass the government. exactly. telling me if i send me this is turning into a party for the politically homeless because it, and it's, it's, it's going across geographically. and again, it's a, it is a strong hold and the east, but it's spreading. okay. and they are winning local elections here. and i would do respect to our german gas here. oh, you know, over the last 20 years i really don't see much difference in these parties whatsoever except for a fee. john? well, the, if these one much more the local elections pizza, they have, uh, and then the a team members in the national parliaments in the buddhist. talk about the, the, the politically, the phenomena of the place of the homeless that you write. the identify is, is by the way upon your pin phenomena and i mentioned you get a moment to go in britain, which i tasted as early as was lovely, supported by disaffected, conservative party supporters. but to observe exactly the same thing. and from

where the rise of the national riley that i some of them on that. so now is in direct proportion to the left, ism and centrism of the previously main stream sent to right party. you see the same thing initially, obviously with the rise of the fraternity, talia, you see it in the netherlands, which is being governed by a, a supposedly liberal law or at least 10 to rights coalition. but which in reality has drifted ever further to the left and up as the angular mat codes, whose impala full of 1516 years she governed, uh for 3 out of have full times of office together with the social democrats. so least circles tend to write policies have be shifted to the center or even to the left. and that is indeed what creates the i state phenomenon in germany and all the other phenomena i've mentioned in the other countries around how much is the crane issue. field parties like the f, b and other populace parties in,

in europe. but definitely it is um, showing the sofa the reset by developed as to say, they disagree with the government also on that issue. they don't believe the mainstream age of propaganda. that's a so auntie ross and the bias that people, they say, you know, we want to have peace with russia. we don't want to send us into a conflict. we want to have the more neutral stance in that. and that's why they support policies, of course, who do say that, but it's not letting me be a if the who signed this is also the left as body. and now you'll have to look at a new phenomenon. yeah, because, sorry about going to next. we'll start a new body that will attract voters from a cd to 17 democrats to current tasks and are still a frontier and a former leader of his own democrats. e book push far to get to probably 20

percent as well. now you have 20 percent and the potential bound to potential 20 percent on the left is so the question is if they split the opposition like that, why wouldn't they not go in at least one way to get in this issue, but they say, let's stop the war and ukraine, half of populist government and overthrow shows just for the sake that we can add to this war. and after that pass democratic with falls into the country that over to you. and probably the reason why people are voting for extreme is bodies are so caught the extreme was politics, i could set it up at a spot is democratic because the elective democratically and within the constitution. yeah. but i mean, it's kind of the sum total of our, our discussion taskbar, is that this is much more than a protest. it's a, it's, it's coherent, it's ideologically coherent, and it's quote, creating

a base for itself. no, under the establishment is a freight gentleman. i'm going to jump in here, we're gonna go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our side discussion on german politics. stay with our to the, the, the, the, [000:00:00;00]

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mind. you were discussing german politics. the go back to michael. michael is a remarkably, i suppose, maybe it shouldn't be remarkable of annalee to better box. the for administer said a few months ago that she didn't care what her constituents thought when it comes to ukraine. she visited the european parliament and said that, uh, that we're at war with russia. i mean, how much is added catalyst to people this throw up their arms and say, this is coming from the green party. the whole party is here. i mean, there, i just think there is such a disaffection from the establishment again from afar. when i look at these parties here, they are so homogenous at the end of the day because they all clicked their heels when they're told to um, by the united states. go ahead,

mike is the, is the best, the b, c, b, and is the say something that people losses. uh they, they don't normally take care of that makes a goals. and now she said yeah, has 560 days and we will know so yes, you're not thinking about this. and he said a few days ago that the yes uh huh. 60 days and the goals and yes, but they also, they don't make it off at all. they are in such a sleep possessing, to do this entity in the and guess many different things, this tapia, t, t. and so the side to honestly, this is in the b because we voted for the f. b is the way to class is gonna cost is every reason you formation this and our

many easy for the whole for the and the kind of the law was to be the, the radius, i say the next month. and i can use that movie and nobody can chase the system. yeah, i know in a bad voc also famously said that putting asked to change his position on ukraine 360 degrees. that's why he's not good with numbers. okay. i can, you know, i chose, i've heard with geography, she's not good with history. anyway, john, i'm back to business here. there seems to be a real serious effort to try to ban this political party. and there is a means to do it through the constitutional court. what does that mean to the fact that the read contemplating it? i mean, why can't they just, you know, they just don't trust voters, they don't trust the democratic process. what's, what's going on here, john? and i want to answer on that piece of it,

but i just want to come and tell them your question to michael just now to make sure i have and his on. so i'm afraid i don't think we should get too carried away hoping that they. ready be a great left right alliance in favor of peace and ukraine, and essentially adopting what is caricature does it probably russian position the if day is very split on the issue of russia. it split among its leadership and it splits among its members. there is in particular, an east west split within the i stay. we talked about the east germany leads to impact to germany a moment ago. the east mother, germany is more radical than the west of germany, which is more liberal about in the east of the anti russian feeling, which is, which is a hangover from the communist period remains fairly strong. and i don't think that we can say that the if the electrons in the east imperative germany is necessarily

pro russia in the ukraine conflicts. and in order for that to be in the lives with sort of talking today, they would have to be a very strong united if the present position on this. and i fear that both of us are internal reasons. and also by the way, for. ready europe and political reasons because the i state belongs to a group in the european parliament, which is definitely not pro russian, although some of its pop member policies may have been in the past. for that reason as well. i think the i states position on russia is relatively cautious. they cool, of course, they cool for peace, which is regarded as being pro russian about uh they all have a strong, as i say by these internal divisions. and indeed, the whole history of the i stay has been one of the internal divisions. the policy has systematically lost its leaders. there's been splits. is one of these policies, but these very, very internally divided. okay. the only issue of finding yes, uh, the german um, a fits for the protection of the constitution as put it as the policy on the

surveillance put them under surveillance 2 years ago. and this shows once again, the tele, terry and drift of europe and europe. germany is not the only country where this is happening. it's also happening in the netherlands. we have for them, for democracy, has been singled out by the dutch intelligent services as a danger to the states and the danger to democracy. but it shows the, the extreme decrepit to develop political systems. that abilities which i know, certainly a democratically elected but which are internally very democratic. i have days like many of the german political passages, very internally democratic with lots of folks taking the monk part team members. for example, folks who should be the candidates in such and such an election. yeah, i do that these people are a danger to democracy. really is absolutely horrifying. and it shows, indeed how the, the secret service is and the, the, they, they circled the bodies that are supposed to protect the constitution in these

various states. call themselves the primary dangers of democracy. heidi mike. yeah, ralph and you know it's, it's really kind of an echo of what they're trying to do to trump in his supporters . they. they want to get him off the ballot. ok. they don't want to give people the opportunity to vote for or against them. they tend to forget that that's how voting work to vote for or against something or someone against another person. you. they don't even want to give them that opportunity. what do you think they would, would there just be a positive exec vince, that this party could be banned? but i mean, i'm, i'm saying the looks of him does leslie as well, but i must say here, this is only making the more popular it is. if you want to compare that with another lawsuit against prestone trauma, that makes him even more support the same be watched with the former east german, the ruling body, p

d. s. the former communist or socialism body to attempt into the body of democratic socialism after the war came down. they had all of the opposite nations by the office for protection of the so called constitution mentor, you know, and they, whenever they found, as the link of griego easy, one of the lead us of the party at that time, the pano spend up the people united behind this man, the behind the party because and so the deputies under the same to happen here as well. i mean, they try to balance the party one time. that was the not so nice and we'll try to push a button that's low impact. the next level is really the fastest potty actually, and they try to balance out the federal constitutional court as well. and it fades big time. it's about 10 years ago. so i'm, so since that time, you know, it is not easy to band the parties. and especially why would some of the band d a f d?

i mean, they are, i mean, down my thought to, you know, i'm on the opposite sides of the political spectrum. but what i own stuff is the principally, the democratically organized and okay, some members why something difficult sometimes, but what we're not that's democracy because because stand up become just liquid that i don't think that this is not a beef to develop me to put that into that process of having to does is just making them more popular if they want this than yes, that's the way to do it. yeah, i'm a michael, it seems to me that it be worrying about the growing popularity of the party isn't a determined from the powers that be on the what we have in the west is very a hedge, a monic political class, and they will do everything in their power, we see it everywhere, they will do everything to protect their power. if it's even against public popular will i think they will go after they have the go ahead. yeah,

of course i tried to deserves and the every time i don't know who this new, so it's not always a p d as a lot of all this route but by the, by the government and to be seen as they see that the um yes, that is the government side to the, to the side and yes is empty is becoming more and more. yeah. because the people to see is the government side for this up to be. they have to vote. you model the, the and so the guy, uh, the, uh, and the management service me. and i don't see that the government, the size to boost to manage the d i. v was low. i wouldn't be the best the fusion happens because the,

the model is us to discuss is the band and the, this discussion the, it's a very good for the d and as a cost, as far as the hire, somebody needs maybe 5 or more. yeah. and then since i've been on the west side in 203-2076, what it says, no, me time is a full year and maybe so it's okay for the the with the the and it just time when low speed was busy so, so the government isn't c a and let's say you have to bottom off of an empty and, you know, so i kind of, you said to go on. that is the well, you know, they're, you know, they think of going back to you on the going back to the issue of ukraine. i mean, i see that i see the west being ukrainian ice because the landscape band, all of his opposition and it was

a cheered by the west. okay. i cheered by the state department. so what's, what's, i'm a german political party who cares about that? we're getting to the point where there's going to be reasons for people, or there will be no reason for people to go to the polls. if the leads are going to determine who you can vote for, finish up for as john. and yeah, i mean, i think that even if the policy is not bands, the fact that this has been formally declared to be under suspicion as it was in 2021. which means that, uh the, uh, the custom shorts, the, the, the body which puts a allegedly protects the constitution can spy on the policy. you can listen to that, i phone conversations can put them on the formal suspicion. i think that that is already even if they are banned in a few, it's time that is itself a disgraceful step. because naturally it means that they are operating under control. that means that the policy members in leadership will practice self censorship and so on at so i, i don't think that the fact that the, uh any,

any attempt to close it down like failed means that this attempt in itself is not terrible. it is terrible. and i also think, and i think this is what you're suggesting in your question, peter, when you are in a situation of military conflict, as we are adoptable, the german foreign minister, as you've just said, has said we are well with russia as an older usual se scouts about human rights deputies and so i'm go straight out of the window because if germany says, i'm johnny, i'm sorry on this very important point. john, i have to interrupt you. we have run out of time on, i think, my guess in paris, the by and cabinets and thanks. so our viewers for watching us here at our pc and next time and remember prospect,

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