and the nature of the european union, and much more. this is why there are some who want alternative for germany band, the cross talking german politics. i'm joined by my guess, john laughlin in paris. he's a university lecture in history and political philosophy in dubai. we have ralph niemeyer, he is chairman of the council for a constitution in sovereignty, and in cabinets we crossed to michael brook. he is a political analyst. all right, gentlemen, comstock rose in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. john, let me go to you 1st. see you in in paris. what, what, how do you explain the rise of the alternative for germany? because anywhere in main stream media, legacy media, it is, it is uh, we should all be running for the hills. we should be terrified of these people, the most derogatory things that you can say about politicians and a political party. and that's saying something these days is applied to the alternative for germany explained to us

a while. it so ridiculous kind of picture. i mean, the policy was found it, i believe about to 15 years ago, essentially by economics professor as it has a rather a lead to storage. and it cannot mix professors who were worried about the euro. and they didn't want german sovereignty. german military sovereignty to be dissolved in new york and minus a union. and for many years that was the essence of a, of these policies. and then, little by little of the, let's say, more populist issues came to the full, particularly immigration. and now of course, the whole issue of the war with russia, but the idea that this is, uh, some kind of, uh, you know, rene sunset, whatever is all basically ridiculous if you compare the if the 2 you came to the united kingdom independence policy, which has in some respects, a similar history i think also started off being uh, originally founded by uh, by academics. um, uh, but uh, in fact

a different story in the sense that you get never won uh, any of a seats and the national problem. and um, the, the fact is that the, i sd, is much more centrist than you can you get the gift that you get was the danger to democracy on the country. you could for ends up winning in the sense that breakfast, of course was, was carried out in 2020. but the, if the doesn't cool 1st thing is rather cold as leaving the european union. so. so the idea that it's an extreme is policy is, is quite wrong in another course. the fact that it's labeled as such is an indication of the left is drifted indeed, of the tendency to sense the shape and to tell the tire. and this in which characterizes so much your opinion, politics today, not, not just in, not just in germany. what ralph, i, the, the, the, the party recently had a gathering and an issue that we would call in american politics a, a platform. and i read it through,

i think it's like 97 pages along. very interesting reading into echo with john said there, i found it to be quite moderates. i don't see any extremism at all. now questioning nato that has been something that people have been talking about since the end of the cold war. so i don't think that is extreme having control of your own borders. but actually it shouldn't be an extreme disposition to want to have sovereignty. that's the whole point here is that it's challenging these pious use of neo liberalism, but you're simply not allowed to do ralph a yeah, that's correct. and then that way i must agree or was withdrawn because it is a party that has democratically elected. and actually, i don't find other than that, i disagree with with the economic policy. maybe because i'm rather investors them to marxist. but i don't find them being extremely right being what they are being branded all the time. they're actually not. i mean,

some members probably are to be seen in a different lives, but this has been all parties. you can go to the left as you find some style in this communist dead, you know, but the majority of the body, generally d a f, d is filling a gap that the c, d, u d crystal comes out of the conservatives of the mrs. mac, all of that because mrs. margaret was too much as sofa democrats. charles though though she was from the c d u, and she probably created a f d by the also by her little stats on, on the immigration issue that aroused in 2015 the year. oh, but it is widely accepted. know, although they, if these do assess, they want to leave it. but if you imagine to go back to deutsche and mark, we would all say that this would make our products too expensive indeed. and we wouldn't export anything anymore because everyone would try to buy into dodge and

marketing or the new dot to mark. so this is not really a concept that they can in all earnest, the follow they need to accept that the heroes, the euro, and to be, they have for some time. well, yeah, but they're having, having a reform monetary policy is also necessary. i think we all know that as the e u is essentially facing bankruptcy. michael, let me go to, i mean, a rough kind of touched upon it here. i mean, can you describe for my viewers? are viewers who votes for this part already? why is it attractive? it's doubled its popularity since the last election cycle. that's a risk quite for, for establish democracies like germany who votes for them who supports them in the, for the be and most the difference on the notes i submitted. that is a see the event on to talk to the bottom table. they don't plus

the size of the party property. and so they have no, uh, d, as to we'll close a d as that may make a t c in the hose, nearly 70 percent of the property. and germany is the boss and the best uh, and the east on the site is useful. and in the, in the use of the ac gets nearly $70.00. and this is the biggest uh the, uh, the biggest uh this much uh, mobiles. and uh and so the ac is the company. uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, cost is the man and yes. oh this is the government. the is, uh, it's, uh, it's,

uh let me tell you the way to the quality supplier pointing to the government. and so the people say this government does not because he doesn't pay it. and so the, the, the, the box, they say they use it as a way to bypass the government. exactly. telling me, it seems to me this is turning into a party for the politically homeless because it and it's, it's, it's going across geographically. and again, it's a, it's a strong hold and the east, but it's spreading. okay. and they are winning local elections here. and i would do respect to our german gas here. oh, you know, over the last 20 years, i really don't see much difference in these parties whatsoever, except for b a. if the john well the, if these one much more the local elections pizza they have, uh, and then the a team members in the national parliaments in the buddhist. talk about the, the, the politically,

the phenomena of the place of the homeless that you write. the identify is, is by the way upon your pin for them. and then i mentioned you get a moment to go in burden, which i placed in as early as was largely supported by disaffected, conservative party supporters. but to observe exactly the same thing. and from where the rise of the national riley that i some of them on that. so now is in direct proportion to the left, ism and centrism of the previously main stream sent to right party. you see the same thing initially, obviously with the rise of the fraternity, talia, you see it in the netherlands, which has been governed by a, a supposedly liberal law or at least 10 to rights coalition. but which in reality has drifted ever further to the left and up as the angular mac codes, whose impala full? uh, 15 or 16 years she governed uh for 3 out of have full times of office together with

the social democrats at least circle center, right? policies have be shifted to the center or even to the left, and that is indeed what creates the ice de phenomenon in germany. and all the other phenomena are i've mentioned in the other countries around how much is the crane issue. field parties like the f, b and other populace parties in, in europe. but definitely it is um, showing the sofa the reset by the voters who say they disagree with the government also on that issue. they don't believe the mainstream media propaganda. that's a so auntie ross and the bios that people, they say, you know, we want to have peace with russia. we don't want to send us into a conflict. we want to have the more neutral stance in that. and that's why they support policies, of course, who do say that, but it's not letting me be a if the who signed this is also the last is biology. and now you'll have to look

at a new phenomenon. yeah. because so if i can connect, we'll start a new policy that will attract voters from a cd, the social democrats onto a current task, and are still a frontier and a former leader of his own democrats. e book push far to get her probably 20 percent as well. now you have 20 percent a steve put tassel bound to potential 20 percent on the left as so the question is if they split the opposition like that, why wouldn't they not uh, go in at least one way to get into this issue, but they say let's stop the war and ukraine, half of populist government and over throw show is just for the sake that we can add to this war. and after that pass democratic with falls into the country that's over to you. and probably the reason why people are voting for extreme is bodies

are so caught, extreme was politics, i could set it up at a spot is democratic because the elective democratically and within the constitution. yeah. but i mean, it's kind of the sum total of our, our discussion taskbar, is that this is much more than a protest. it's a, it's, it's coherent, it's ideologically coherent, and it's quote, creating a base for itself. no, under the establishment is a freight gentleman. i'm going to jump in here, we're gonna go to a short break and asked about short break. we'll continue our side discussion on german politic state without the least russian states. never as one of the most sense community

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welcome back. across stock were all things are considered on people about your mind . you were discussing german politics. the go back to michael. michael is a remarkably, i suppose maybe it shouldn't be remarkable of annalee to better box. the for administer said a few months ago that she didn't care what her constituents thought when it comes to ukraine. she visited the european parliament and said that uh, that we're at war with russia. i mean, how much is added catalyst to people this throw up their arms since like, this is coming from the green party, the whole party is here. i mean, there, i just think there's such a disaffection from the establishment again, from afar. when i look at these parties here, they're so homogenous at the end of the day because they all click their hills when they're told to um, by the united states. go ahead,

mike is the, is the best, the b, c, b, and is the say something, the deeper losses. uh they, they don't know what the teacher that makes a goals. and now she said yeah, has $560.00 days and we will know. so yeah, so you're not thinking about this and he said a few days ago that the yes uh huh. 60 days and the goals and yes. and they also, they may sauces. oh, they are in such a sleep possessing to this entity in the and get the exist tapia, t t. and so the slides to, honestly, this is in the f b because we've all the f b is the way to class is gonna cost is every reason you formation this and

our many easy for the whole for the and the kind of the not was to be the, the radius i say the next month and i can use the, the letters that can change the, the system. yeah, in the block also famously said that putting asked to change his position on ukraine 360 degrees this way as well. good with numbers. okay. i can, you know, i choose, i'm ready with geography. she's not good with history. anyway, john, i'm back to business here. there seems to be a real serious effort to try to ban this political party. and there is a means to do it through the constitutional court. what does that mean to the fact that the read contemplating it? i mean, why can't they just, you know, they just don't trust voters, they don't trust the democratic process. what's, what's going on here, john?

i want to answer on that piece of it, but i just want to come and tell them your question to michael just now to make sure i have and his on. so i'm afraid i don't think we should get too carried away hoping that they. ready be a great left right alliance in favor of peace and ukraine, and essentially adopting what is caricature does it probably russian position the if day is very split on the issue of russia. it split among its leadership, the end, it splits among its members. there is in particular, an east west split within the if day, we talked about the east germany leads to impact to germany, a moment to go. the east mother, germany is more radical than the west of germany, which is more liberal about in the east of the anti russian feeling. which of which is a hangover from the communist period remains fairly strong. and i don't think that we can say that the, if the electrodes in the eastern part of germany is necessarily pro russia in the

ukraine conflicts. and in order for that to be in the lives with sort of talking today, they would have to be a very strong united if the present position on this. and i fear that both are internal reasons. and also by the way, for. ready europe and political reasons because the i state belongs to a group in the european parliament, which is definitely not pro russian. although some of its pop member policies may have been in the past. for that reason as well. i think the i ip days position on russia is relatively cautious. they cool, of course, they cool for peace, which is regarded as being pro russian about uh they all have a strong as i say by these internal divisions. and indeed, the whole history of the i state has been one of the internal divisions. the policy has systematically lost its leaders. there's been splits. is one of these policies, but these very, very internally divided. okay. the only issue of finding yes,

uh the german, um, uh, fits for the protection of the constitution as put it as. but the policy on the surveillance put them under surveillance 2 years ago. and this shows once again, the tele, terry and drift of europe into europe. germany is not the only country where this is happening, it's also happening in the netherlands. we have for them, for democracy, has been singled out by the dutch intelligent services as a danger to the states and the danger to democracy. but it shows the extreme decrepit to develop political systems. that policies which i know, certainly a democratically elected but which are internally very democratic. i have days like many other driven fiscal passages for in terms of the democratic with lots of folks taking them on the top team members, for example, folks who should be the candidates in such and such an election. yeah, i do that these people are a dangerous democracy, really is absolutely horrifying. and it shows indeed how the, the secret service is and the, the, they,

they circled the bodies that are supposed to protect the constitution. and these various states call themselves the primary dangers of democracy. hardly mind. yeah, ralph and you know it's, it's really kind of an echo of what they're trying to do to trump in his supporters . they, they want to get him off the ballot. ok. they don't want to give people the opportunity to vote for or against them. they tend to forget that that's how voting work to vote for or against something or someone against another person. you're, they don't even want to give them that opportunity. what do you think they would, would there just be a positive exec vince, that this party could be banned? but i mean, i'm saying a little reserving does closely as well. but i must say here, this is only making them more popular. it is if you want to compare that with another lawsuit against prestone trauma, that makes it even more support the same be watched with the former east german,

the ruling body, p d. s, the former communist or socialist body to trans into the body of democratic socialism. often walking down. they had to pull any of ations by the office for protection of the so called constitution and all that, you know, and they, whenever they found is dogs the link of griego easy. why left the lead us of the party at that time? the pano spend up the people united behind this man the behind the party because and so the deputy and the same to have them here as well. i mean they trying to balance the party one time that was the not so knowledgeable partnership, but the national pop, the nationalist really obsessed with all the x rays. and they tried to balance out the federal constitutional court as well. and it fades biggest time is about 10 years ago. so and since that time we know it is not easy to band the parties. and

especially why wouldn't some of the band d a s d? i mean, they are, i mean down my thoughts on, on the opposite side of the political spectrum. but what i own stuff is the principally the democratically organized. i don't, okay. some members why something difficult sometimes, but what we're not that's democracy because because stand up become just liquid. so i don't think that there's enough space to develop to put that into that process of finding it monte. this is just making them more popular if they want this than yes, that's the way to do it. yeah, michael. yeah, it seems to me that it be worrying about the growing popularity of the party isn't a deterrent from the powers that be on the what we have in the west is very a hedge, a monic political class, and they will do everything in their power. we see it everywhere, they will do everything to protect their power. if it's even against public popular

will i think they will go after they have the go ahead. yeah, of course i tried to the steps and the every time i don't know who this name. so it's not only that the safety is a lot of the move, but by the, by the government, by the end of the season, they see that the, um, the size to the, to the, to the side and yes is empty is becoming more and more. yeah. because the people to see is the government side for this up to be, they have to vote, you model the, the, and so the guy, uh, the, uh, and the mazda service, and i don't see the size to be some bends a and b i v was low, um it would be the best the fusion happens because

the, the model is just to discuss if the band and the this is customer loan. uh, as far as the end, as a cost, as far as the highest on the bought the car, it needs maybe 5 or more. yeah. and the band size bed and the what size in 203-2070. uh, so it says no meantime is uh 4. yeah. and the social or the, the with the, the and it just time when low speed was busy. so, so the government is in here and let's say you have to a modem off of an empty and, you know, so i kind of, you said to go on, that is the, well, you know, they're, you know, they thing going back to you on the going back to the issue of ukraine, i mean, i see that i see the west being ukrainian ice because the landscape and all of his

opposition and it was a cheered by the west. okay. i cheered by the state department. so what's, what's on a german political party, who cares about that? we're getting to the point where there's going to be reasons for people, or there will be no reason for people to go to the polls. if the leads are going to determine who you can vote for, finish up for as john and yeah, i mean, i think that even if the policy is not bands, the fact that this has been formally declared to be under suspicion as it was in 2021, which means that, uh the uh, the custom short stay the, the body which puts a allegedly protects the constitution can spy on the policy. you can listen to that phone conversations can put them on the formal suspicion. i think that that is already even if they are banned in a few, it's time that is itself a disgraceful step. because naturally it means that they are operating under control. that means that the policy members in leadership will practice self censorship and so on. so i, i don't think that the fact that the, uh any,

any attempt to close it down like failed means that this attempt in itself is not terrible. it is terrible. and i also think, and i think this is what you're suggesting in your question, peter. when you are in a situation of military conflict, as we are adoptable, the german foreign minister, as you've just said, has said we are well with russia. then all the usual se scouts about human rights deputies. and so i'm go straight out of the window because if germany says, i'm johnny, i'm sorry on this very important point. john, i have to interrupt you. we have run out of time on, i think, my guess in paris, the by and cabinets. and thanks. so our viewers for watching us here at our pc and next time remember prospect the,

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