the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i am peter lavelle . nato's general secretary young stilton berg is acknowledged by platinum improvements decision to enter ukraine. the last year was to prevent nato from expanding into the country. the claim, it was an unprovoked invasion, is propaganda. the west ukraine narrative is unraveling

the cross talking western narratives. i'm joined by my guess. erin, good in philadelphia. he's a political scientist historian, as well as all through an american exception empire in the deep states in washington. we have matthew crossed and he is professor of national security and director of academic transformations at bowie state university. and in montreal we cross the bank, lrc. steve is a canadian foreign policy institute, fellow journalist and author, or a gentleman comstock rose in effect. that means you can jump me anytime you want. and i always appreciate, aaron, let me go to you 1st. i mean stilton bird, he's not the brightest guy. that's probably why he has the job because he usually just repeats talking points written in washington. but he did kind of slip off by saying, but, um, the, the reason why russia entered ukraine last year is to prevent nato expansion. well, we were told that was an unprovoked attack. that's what they keep saying over and over again. but you know, the celtic bird has a habit of doing this, he said,

you know, from 2014 to 2022. they were arming ukraine to the teeth. i mean, they can't keep their narrative straight. and i want to talk about later how the world doesn't believe it. your thoughts, aaron, as well, it's pretty clear that nato expansion has been well underway since the end of the cold war. and that the u. s. has never been really candid about its aims and why it was doing what it was doing. but i think that this with ukraine, they really crossed the rubicon at assess because they knew precisely as we know from the wiki leaks cables with the the, the, the ca, courtesy i, director that he knew you know, to, more than 10 years ago that nato was a nato expansion and to ukraine was the red us, the red lines for russia. and that was precisely why they uh, they stage of the made on to in the 1st place to put in a us friendly government in to have it was it's, it's not that they were pursuing some diplomacy and then accidentally did something,

was damaged, rushes, security. they intentionally set about inflicting as much harm to arrest and the security as they, as they could, the threatened russian security and their, their presence in ukraine or potential presence in ukraine is deemed an existential threat by russia. and the us knew that, and that was precisely why they did what they did. so this is something that more and more people are coming to understand in the past, it was only kind of calls or foreign policy walks that understood it. and most of them were dissembling about it if they're employed by academia or in thank take. so the result has been a slow realization that apparently has now finally reached the head of nato. that what this war was really about. m matthew is it's really quite interesting because we how we got so many off the cuff comments like lloyd austin, the us secretary, defense thing. he wanted to significantly weak in russia. okay. and it's comments

like that then you know, and then of course people around them, correct them. but this is a very, very much provoked war. it was very intentional as aaron is point in and out. and this was the path that they were going down. they thought they truly believe that the sanctions wouldn't work. that would cripple roch's economy. well russians economy is due to grow 2 percent of this current year and there's only contract and 2 point one percent last year. so they've grossly miscalculated over and over again . and they tow itself is a military alliance know that says united states. okay, we've seen all through this complex here, the nato. i wouldn't call it a paper tiger, but it's really not a, it's more of a separate club, but a political club in a military alliance. matthew and i, i like the fact that use that even the term miscalculation because i, i like what aaron had mentioned you, when do you cross the rubicon? you cross the rubicon, when you're not worried that anything is on the other side of it to bother you. and that was sort of, there was sort of an implicit arrogance or over confidence on the part of nato that

it could do in ukraine. what it's done with all of the other additions over the last 10 years in terms of its membership. and there wouldn't be consequences even despite the very exclusive and transparent expressions from the kremlin saying there will be consequences if you do this. this is different from all the others. how nato just simply didn't believe it, or what you were mentioning the miscalculation is it really so much about provocation as much about we miscalculate and we misinterpreted. we mean nato united states that russia has the capability of doing anything. and even if it does, we're able to meet strength of the strength without injuring ourselves or damaging ourselves in any way. yeah, it's a even montreal, it's very interesting is because i on this program unfortunately, you can't watch it on youtube anymore. but when it was on youtube, i was telling the world, months before the conflict, it's going to happen. it's going to happen on december 17th with the before the conflict,

the russian sent out to nato to washington visa terms and conditions of negotiating, or avoiding a conflict and they totally blew it off and stolen birth again. it mentioned, yes we, we got this here, but we didn't take it seriously. those are my words. okay. but he didn't take it seriously. and, and this was the result here. i mean, this was so transparently obvious that this was going to happen. i was screaming at the top of my lungs, this is going to happen. and nobody in the west believed that they thought it was this all hyperbolic eve, or well, i thinking that that speech that he may where he made that a mission, which is of course, a very important mission and clear. this wasn't provoked for the other side. what he said was he was boasting about suite reading entertainment, joining. so i, i think from, from a us perspective, maybe let's call it a little sphere perspective. this isn't, this isn't the bad thing, right? you have, you have seen that you have expansion,

nato. you have germany specifically, but western europe further subordinated to us geo political interest, you know, lessening there. there are a, they're purchasing of a russian, uh, natural gas and oil and whatnot. and, and so, so from a us perspective, in the fact that, you know, ukraine is destroyed, the fact that hundreds of thousands are killed or injured. and that's, that's fine. that's dot dot dot, that's worth it from a, from a jewel critical perspective. so, so i think that, yes, i agree with you, this was clearly provoke the, the, you know, the counter offensive is going to fail. and there is a, be, there is a bit of a problem for nato, with regards to, you know, what they're able to do. and ukraine does. i think it's still possible that russia, you know, at least guess odessa and, you know, expands expands a further but,

but, but from i think from a macro perspective, that i don't think that this is a, you know, bad thing from us to a political interest. obviously very good for all the arms companies. um, so it's a little bit of i think um, you know, for ukraine is a disaster is catastrophe. and from any sort of human district perspective, if that is a, that's the case. but from a really kind of hard line kind of geo political calculation, this is probably all still kind of basically worth it from us perspective. and so i absolutely agree with you. i think that that's a very sober way of looking at air. and speaking of, you know, the costs and the benefits here today, the of the, by the administration is slated over a $100000000000.00 to ukraine. what, what is the return on investment there? i mean it's not the return on the investment is a whole lot of the ukrainians or no longer you no longer living best. i can tell it's hard to know what the point is. uh,

it seems inviting maybe in the us maybe trying to keep to avert disaster before the election. and then who knows. i mean that the, it seems like reality is starting to sink and you see more reporting in different places in the west that the counter, if they're just acknowledging the reality of the counter offensive, has failed spectacularly. except in terms of, you know, creating more you paying casualties. so this is a, it's been a, is that, that part is, is a waste. and i, i disagree with the, with, with ease because i think that this has, it's on the surface. it's good for arms companies and so on and probably helps us in that you know, we sell us natural gas and such. but i think that the us is a point where it can waste a $100000000.00 on war and added the deficit that way. because of its control over the dollar. and i, i believe that this ukraine war and the russian evasion of the sanctions regime and the creation of new institutions to handle international payments. that all these

things are going to collude to have some of the demise of the dollar, which is really what the us empire has been based on since the, the post bretton woods regime really got consolidated a couple of years into reagan's administration in the us and so it has just been this jag or not thanks to the power of the dollar its ability to run in with military. well i think yes, i think i think both of you can be right at the same time because i agree with you as well here. a math or you're not in your head, jump in, and i think just and then maybe this is too cynical, but i've said this in the past as well. we peters that the ultimate investment in the long run for american perception is always been way you're going to tell us we get to do a proxy. ready or we're, we gets a kill lots of russians, but we're not going to risk any american lives whatsoever in, in the consulate. and it will keep going and grinding forward and will be able to pursue through the media. public perception that the russian military is in that leadership is incompetent with small,

little wonder dog ukraine is able to hold it off. see we, we've weakened them in terms of geopolitical strength. it's all perception on it's somewhat propagandistic, but that's still a return on investment that the united states still sort of stuck in that cold war mentality. fines there are. yeah, but last but not to i think that means i think that that the love that i think that approach has it has a shelf life. ok. because of, of what eve and here and just had, just like there's a button, montreal, let me go to you right before we have it. we're going to a short break. you want to jump in? yeah, i mean, i think that's, that's an interesting point about i agree with there is a potential long term. i say clearly there's a lot of countries that are very concerned by the waves, which be a russian, a, a national bank assets were frozen. and, and that question of how they are sort of concerned about the long term reliability of their assets in, in, in, you know, in the west and their, their use of the us dollar. so that could, we might,

history might point to this being leading to the weakening and breakdown of the dollar hedge money. and so that ben history look back on this is, is actually a very damaging to us, a geo political of interest. yeah, well it's not a zip the last 40 years have as a road record of success. so i'm not counting on that gentleman. i'm going to jump in. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on western narrative. stay with our team.

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the . okay, let's go back to aaron in philadelphia. we recently had the, the break summit and the g 20 and, well it didn't go so well for the west. they couldn't get their narrative over the top is matter of fact, it's really quite remarkable that the g 20 ended the way it did made a reference to ukraine. but just the conflict and nothing more. and that was something that we know that the west is trying to globalize internationalize, the ukraine issue, and it's not getting traction as matter fact, it's getting going in reverse here. this is a narrative that you know is something that we talked about in the 1st part. of the program that isn't sustainable people just simply don't believe what the west is saying, aaron. right. i mean, i think that the us has been the global empire since the end of world war 2. and in europe it still enjoys some support. but even in europe,

there are signs that the us so generally maybe on the way there, i think, majorities in germany for example, believe that the u. s. and 8 or more responsible for the ukraine war, then russia or guten. and so, and, and around the world mean west africa, what's happening in west africa is related to what's happening. and new trainer says, because the, the us wanted to use the ukraine war as a way to create a new iron curtain and stock russia from trading with, with western europe and keep us near but lined with the us. but as we see in west africa where the french dominates their poles, the neo colonial hold, which has been assisted by the us. i mean it could it's, it's likely a recording to max blumenthal, his dad said blumenthal those emails to hillary. the french were very, will be fearful that libya was going to, um, basically we can the french, the currency in west africa. and that was one of the reasons they were behind

getting rid of good that they, because he wanted to unified africa. but now even those countries are rebelling against the system. and if, if they're able to kick france out of west africa, which they've really been plundering for quite a long time or of the century, then where does france have returned? but to the east, i mean, this is where the us position as a global head, tomatoes is, is weakening, and even in europe, there's a hit, a secret suppressed history of things. the us, i'm glad you have done when, if leaders didn't do what the us wonder them to do, even if they were in the western countries. when the us ousted the, with the australian prime minister in the 19 seventy's us, not europe obviously. but also, although more of the assassination in like 1972 or 73 and all of palma, and i think 86 offered hair housing in the late eighty's at the end of the cold war . i mean, this business, this whole history of a bad things that the us has done when it took over management of western war period. well, aaron, aaron,

it's on bills are coming due as bills are coming due. and aaron, let me go to matthew. now what about nord stream? i mean, what you know here here is, you know, they, these people that glorify on climate change and all of it us and you have an administration in the united states by all accounts come on. we created the, the, the worst, the geological incident and in the world history. okay. i mean, this is what you do to your friends, what do they do to their enemies? but again, matthew, this is a ship the global shift in narratives. i think it's very, very interesting and, and the way we, you know, we saw the united states outraged about the co and nigeria, but they weren't outraged in 2014 and ukraine. the world picks up on these things. matthew, why i think your point also north stream i always have thought is, is under emphasizes an incredibly important on the narrative perspective. simply because that was the one to me, the one incident that showed significant actors in western europe. but wait

a minute. the united states always tells us that when it pursues its interest, those american interests also always perfectly align with the global good. and they always try to sell the narrative. but north stream and the ridiculousness sort of pendulum swinging back and forth explanation of who did it, who possibly could do it when everyone knew who really did it was the united states that showed at least certain partners in your partners, in quotation marks that maybe the united states will always just pursue is interest . and if it isn't aligned with the global good, that's not going to matter because this north stream incident hurts us us in western europe. well, mass matthew, i, i, i've talked to a number of germans ever since then. and i've, i've asked, you know, what, what do people think about this? me, he told me that everybody and jeremy knows who did it. you just can talk about it. okay. that's another thing that's changing in the west. do you're not allowed to talk about certain things, i'm questioning elections and things like that. anyway,

even let me go back to you and montreal. it was interesting. but anthony blank and said a couple of days ago, the old world's order is over, but it is over. i think we will whole agree with that. but not on the way he thinks he thinks that the american had gemini, has a bright rate in the future. i mean, these people are completely out of touch eve. yeah, i mean, i think there's a china as rise is he is a, i mean china is now become the biggest economy in the world. and despite all of the rhetoric about, you know, downturn in short term, china is going to be the dominant economic power. it is already the dominic dominant trade trading nation was something like a 100 countries. um, and so that's, that's a problem for the us and, and the where we're seeing that their efforts to try to weaken chinese economy and

not a successful we just saw while way was coming out with a fancy new phones, which was supposed to not be possible with us sanctions but, but, but, but i do also think that to, to, to push back a back a bit against that a little bit. i do seem to see us, it has some to be a success on the military front in subordinating, you know, philippines, the fact that the philippines is getting americans, all these bases. the fact that australia has just completely gone along. the fact that japan, you know, is increasing is military spending to target china. they seem to have had some success with bringing japan and south korea together. so, so they are, i think having some success at the jew political and the military level and the economic level. it seems to me if things are going there, you know, worse and worse for the us. and like, as, as you pointed out, obviously the sanctions and russia, all that stuff is just, you know, this basically not, not worked uh, as, as was as when, when, but a, let me ask you

a question here. but here's your talking about a new cold war when we have new divisions here. okay. it's going to be russia, china, and countries around it, and then you have an american lead block. i mean, that seems by design. is that a good idea in your mind? i mean, this could always all be avoidable if, if, if there was that intent, go ahead. it is absolutely madness. i think. yeah. hold on the, do you remember these perspective? i mean, i, i don't, but somebody's been to the top concern should be dealing with the logical collapse that we're seeing. we're seeing all over. i think we have huge problems of equity. both the, you know, the north america and around the world we have, we have, you know, problems that would be the people still dying from, from diseases that we should, who should and wave down a long time with. i mean, device by june is, but david, russia is the problem in china is the problem. so you, this is that narrative, you know, we, we, we can do with the environment right now. we can do with any quality right now we have to do with the russians. and the chinese authoritarian,

we think that's exactly what blinking said a day ago. go ahead, you know, it ain't you just look around. i mean, here in montreal, they just reports about homelessness. right all across north america homeless is up, is up huge amounts since the pen them. and these are real problems right here. but we hear all this discussion about security. well, force the force burning all around literally all around the montreal all the summer for us to bring one that's a real security is a huge health consequences from all the pollutants. obviously the, just the danger of the fire, but we're told security and what they really mean is joining the us empire to send canadian naval vessels halfway across the world to provoke china in the, in the taiwan strait or the south trying to see or what they mean, just sending more, more billions of dollars a canadian web re to ukraine to solely. we can fight to the last we created. that's what security we use for the people. right?

i so i get, i guess aaron, it'd be the, the, the, the, the flu virus on malware in, in, in hawaii. they, they did, they didn't rate security. so they let it burn ok, having one of the largest military bases in the world of pearl harbor and they had no access to help those people. okay. it's a shows priorities. aaron, it's, it seems to me what we've discussed with this program here is that elite driven ideas and agendas and everything else is left to, to withdraw away. aaron. yeah, i mean that's what an empire exist, score it exists to enrich and aggrandize the oligarchy of the imperialist nation. and the us itself has seen its own development as a democratic society, you know, sidelined by these people. i think in the 90 and sixty's, there were elements, a strong currents and us society that wanted peace and then the solving of human problems. and the leaders who were uh, you know, leading this, this,

these popular movements and this popular will really the preventable will of the, of the american people, the kennedy brothers and m. okay. and knock max even to see sort of evolved in his political thinking. they killed all these people just as the the us is sort of like iran was 1953 or, or all the countries in latin america or in the us as intervene. we've had our own development in history altered drastically by this. these, a lease is oligarchy. of corporate, well, that's set on dominating the world and these references to ecological problems and other problems and inequality. i mean, there, it would really be something if a nation can come along a powerful nation and lead the other nations of the world to say we're going to focus on trying to somehow work together and solve some human problems and respect each other sovereignty in the meantime, and we want international politics, not just to be a game of, uh, you know. yeah, but if i are a game of empire, it's very interesting is i'm going to matthew now,

that's what the global south is talking about. collectively, is dealing with these problems. but the west is always boiling for a fight to maintain. had gemini, matthew? well, they always, i know, talked about this for a very long time. it's, it's interesting to me that they are spoiling for a fight to maintain and germany while of course, always trying to tell people that that's not what they're doing. reflect that the, the gemini is not a gemini at all, but simply me, eric in pursuit of global good. i know, i keep repeating that phrase, but that's, that's, that's narrative that it was others to buy into. i don't think it's been very successful, especially over the last 30 years since the end of the cold war. but that's been really the ultimate problem. and i'm the lead tribune thing to me matters not just in a historical perspective, but in a contemporary one. the american media, mainstream media, for sure, as, as definitely not invested or to go to educating the masses on that. so that's our,

that's, that's not where the priority is now, is when they, they are caustic, where they are, the stenographers per power. that's all they are. okay. um. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have them. and i think my guess in washington, philadelphia and in montreal and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our team. so you, next time we member across the a started in 1983 session with my father on a young man site that dogs out to the same as a kid does when he goes out in the lake and the communities cushion for parentage with iran. real nice families and allocation for a really long time. my mom was pregnant with me still long winding and i grew up on long line. i've been having this issue since probably 1970 was my 1st year that i

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