a john each, the stalls this friday, the bike and all cause mature and the set to launch the russian saw use a mess, punch, full space called to the international space station. the flight is crude by joint team of russian cause notes and us as notes as of a will be pulled costs nearby event live later on. but in the meantime, all to use a name, it's a charged spin up the north side and she's given us a bit of an insight. the 40 meters tall russian. so use m. s 24 spacecraft is being ready to be launched at the international space station. and at 7 30 am local time here in bicycle know cuz looks on the spacecraft is currently being transported to its final destination to b. last. now the crew on board will include 2 russian cosmonaut, as well as one us, as turn off for the russians. the journey in space will last for a year, and the american astronaut will come back to earth in spring. ex us president rowland reagan famously said that if one thing could unite both the united states

and the soviet union, it would be an alien invasion of earth. and today he's statement still stands relevant. a space exploration seems to be one of the very few spears, in which roster and america collaborate successfully. assembly. unlike on earth where people talk a lot and often don't hear each other in space, we hear and understand each other in our very sensitive about our relationships. this helps us in our work. otherwise, we would at best be unable to fulfill our national space programs and at worst lose our lives. and the only reason you know that we're from different countries is because of the flag that's on our shoulder. otherwise we look the same and we work the same on board the space station in order to continue the work that's been done here on the ground. and assembled in space and doing the kind of research that can be done nowhere else. and it's as simple as piece and cooperation and what our

whole planet can do when we act like a unit, the unified global partnership. it is expected that the flight to the i ss will take 3 hours and 15 minutes about 120 kilograms of cargo will be delivered to the station on the ship, including photo and video equipment, personal belongings of participants, food and equipment for scientific experiments the journey to space is set to begin on the 15th of september 2023. well, that's a good buy from me for us to sign part for today, but there were a unit r neal will be taking the ratings at the top of the hour. so to join him, a bunch of fuel company and have a great the

hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, nato's general secretary young stilton burke is acknowledged, but why don't we approve this decision to enter ukraine last year? was to prevent nato from expanding into the country. the claim. it was an unprovoked invasion. is propaganda. the west ukraine narrative is unraveling the, the cross talking western narratives. i'm joined by my guess. erin, good in philadelphia. he's a political scientist historian, as well as all through an american exception empire in the deep state in washington . we have matthew crossed and he is professor of national security and director of academic transformations at bowie state university. and in montreal we cross the

bank, lrc steel is a canadian foreign policy institute, fellow journalist and author, or a gentleman, cross type roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, aaron, let me go to you 1st. i mean, spelt and berg, he's not the brightest guy. that's probably why he has the job because he usually just repeats talking points written in washington. but he did kind of slip off by saying that the, the reason why russia entered ukraine last year is to prevent nato expansion. while we were told that was an unprovoked attack. that's what they keep saying over and over again. but you know, they felt and bird has a habit of doing this. he said, you know, from 2014 to 2022. they were arming ukraine to the teeth. i mean, they can't keep their narrative straight. and i want to talk about later how the world doesn't believe it. your thoughts, aaron, as well, it's pretty clear that nato expansion has been well underway since the end of the cold war. and that the u. s. has never been really candid about it's james and why

it was doing what it was doing. but i think that this with ukraine, they really crossed the river counter, says because they knew precisely as we know from the wiki leaks cables with the the, the c, courtesy i, director that he knew you know, to, more than 10 years ago that nato was the nasal expansion into ukraine was the red us, the red lines for russia, and that was precisely why they uh, they stage that made onto in the 1st place to put in the us friendly government in key. and it was, it's, it's not that they were pursuing some diplomacy and then accidentally did something, was damaged, rushes, security. they intentionally set about inflicting as much harm to arrest and the security as they, as they could to threaten russian security and the their, their presence in ukraine or potential presence in ukraine is deemed an existential

threat by russia. and the us knew that, and that was precisely why they did what they did. so this is something that more and more people are coming to understand in the past, it was only kind of cold war or foreign policy walks that understood it. and most of them were dissembling about it if they're employed by academia or in think tanks . so the result has been a slow realization that apparently has now finally reached the head of nato. that what this war was really about. m matthew is it's really quite interesting because we how we got so many off the cuff comments like lloyd austin, the us secretary, defense thing. he wanted to significantly, we can russia. ok. and it's comments like that then you know, and then of course people around them, correct them. but this is a very, very much provoked war. it was very intentional as aaron is point it out. and this was the path that they were going down. they thought they truly believed that the sanctions wouldn't work. that would cripple russians economy well russians economy is due to grow 2 percent of this current year and only contract and 2 point one

percent last year. so they grossly miscalculated over and over again. and nato itself is a military align smell that says, united states. okay, we've seen all through this complex here, the nato. i wouldn't call it a paper tiger, but it's really not a, it's more of a separate club, but a political club in a military alliance. matthew and i, i like the fact that use that even the term miscalculation because i, i like what aaron had mentioned you, when do you cross the rubicon? you cross the river, gone when you're not worried that anything is on the other side of it to bother you . and that was sort of, there was sort of an implicit arrogance or over confidence on the part of nato that it could do in ukraine when it's done with all of the other additions over the last 10 years in terms of its membership. and there wouldn't be consequences even despite the very exclusive and transparent expressions from the kremlin saying there will be consequences if you do this. this is different from all the others.

how nato just simply didn't believe it, or what you were mentioning the miscalculation is there really so much about provocation as much about we miscalculate and we misinterpreted. we mean nato united states, that russia has the capability of doing anything. and even if it does, we're able to meet the strength to strength without injuring ourselves or damaging ourselves in any way. yeah, it's a even montreal, it's very interesting is because i, on this program unfortunately, you can't watch it on youtube anymore. but when it was on youtube, i was telling the world, months before the conflict, it's going to happen. it's going to happen on december 17th, but they are before the conflict the russian sent out to nato to washington. these are the terms and conditions of negotiating or avoiding a conflict, and they totally blew it off and smells and berg again and mentioned, yes we, we got this here, but we didn't take it seriously. those are my words, okay. but he didn't take it seriously. and, and this was the result here. i mean,

this was so transparently obvious that this was going to happen. i was screaming at the top of my logs, this is going to happen. and nobody in the west believed that they thought it was this all hyperbolic eve as well. i thinking that that speech that he may where he made the mission, which is of course, a very important mission and clear. this was a cut out for the other side. what he said was he was boasting oh, sweet reading entertainment, joining. so i think from, from a us perspective, maybe it is called anglos fury. perspective. this isn't, this isn't the bad thing, right? you have, you have seen that you have expansion, nato, you have germany specifically, but western europe further subordinated to us geo political interest, you know, lessening there. there are a, they're purchasing of a russian, uh, natural gas and oil and whatnot. and, and so, so from a us perspective,

the fact that, you know, ukraine is destroyed the fact that hundreds of thousands are killed or injured. um that's, that's fine. that's dot dot dice. that's worth it from a, from a jewel critical perspective. so, so i think that, yes, i agree with you, this was clearly provoke the, the, you know, the counter offensive is going to fail. and there is a, be, there is a bit of a problem for nato, with regards to, you know, what they're able to do. and ukraine does. i think it's still possible that russia, you know, at least guess odessa and, you know, expands expands a further but, but, but from i think from a macro perspective, i don't think that this was a, you know, bad thing from us to a political interest. obviously very good for all the arms companies. and so it's a little bit of i think that, you know, for ukraine is a disaster is catastrophe. and from any sort of human mistake perspective, if that is. and that's the case. but from

a really kind of hard line kind of geo political calculation. this is probably all still kind of basically worth it from us perspective it's, i absolutely agree with you. i think that that's a very sober way of looking at, aaron, speaking of you know, the costs and the benefits here today to the, by the administration and slighted over a 100000000000 dollars to ukraine. what, what is the return on investment there? i mean it's not the return on the investment is a whole lot of the ukrainians or no longer you no longer living best. i can tell it's hard to know what the point to it seems. inviting maybe in the us, maybe trying to keep to avert disaster before the election. and then who knows. i mean that the, it seems like reality is starting to sink and you see more reporting in different places in the west that the counter, if they're just acknowledging the reality with the counter offensive, has failed spectacularly. except in terms of, you know,

creating more you pay and casualties. so this is a, it's been a, is that, that part is a waste. and i, i would disagree with the, with, with eve because i think that this has, it's on the surface. it's good for arms companies and so on and probably health system that you know, you sell us natural gas and such. but i think that the us is a point where it can waste a $100000000.00 on war and added the deficit that way because of his control over the dollar. and i, i believe that this ukraine war and the russian evasion of the sanctions regime in the creation of new institutions to handle international payments. that all these things are going to collude to have some of the demise of the dollar, which is really what the us empire has been based on since the, the post bretton woods regime really got consolidated a couple of years into reagan's administration in the us and so it has just been this junk or not thanks to the power of the dollar its ability to run in with

military. well, i think yes, i think i think both of you can be right at the same time because i agree with you as well here. matthew, you're not in your head, jump in a just and then maybe this is too cynical, but i've said this in the past as well. we peters that the ultimate investment in, in the long run for american perception is always been, wait, you're going to tell us, we get to do a proxy war where we get to kill lots of russians. but we're not going to risk any american lives whatsoever in, in the consulate, and it will keep going and grinding forward and will be able to pursue through the media. public perception that the russian military isn't that the leadership is incompetent with small, little wonder dog ukraine is able to hold it off. see we, we've weakened them in terms of geo political strength. it's all perception on it's somewhat propagandistic, but that's still a return on investment that the united states still sort of stuck in that cold war mentality. fines there are. yeah, but math but not to i think that means i think that that the level i think that

approach has it has a shelf life. ok. because of, of what eve and here and just have just like there's a button, montreal, let me go to you. right before we we have it, we're going to a short break. you want to jump in? yeah, i mean, i think that's, that's an interesting point about i agree with, there is a potential long term. i say clearly there's a lot of countries that are very concerned by the way it is with the russian a, a national bank assets were frozen. and, and that question of how they are sort of concerned about the long term reliability of their assets in, in, in, you know, in the west and their, their use of the us dollar. so that could, we might, history might point to this being leading to the weakening and breakdown of the dollar hedge money. and so that ben history look back on this is, is actually very damaging to us, a geo political of interest. yeah, well it's not a zip the last 40 years have as

a road record of success. so i'm not counting on that gentleman. i'm going to jump in. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on western narrative. stay with our team. the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground? can

the welcome act across stock? were all things are considered. i'm peter le belcher, when you were discussing western narratives. the . okay, let's go back to aaron in philadelphia. we recently had the, the break summit and the g 20. and, well, it didn't go so well for the west. they couldn't get their narrative over the top is matter of fact, it's really quite remarkable that the g 20 ended the way it did made a reference to ukraine. but just the conflict and nothing more. and that was something that we know that the west is trying to globalize internationalize, the ukraine issue, and it's not getting tracks. and as a matter fact, it's getting going in reverse here. this is a narrative that, you know is something that we talked about in the 1st part of the program that isn't sustainable. people just simply don't believe what the west is saying,

aaron. right? i mean, i think that the us has been the global empire since the end of world war 2. and in europe, it's still enjoy some support. but even in europe, there are signs that the usaa generally may be on the way there. i think majorities in germany, for example, believe that the us and nato are more responsible for the ukraine war, then russia or guten, and so, and, and around the world mean west africa. what's happening in west africa is related to what's happening. and new printer says, because the, the us wanted to use the ukraine war as a way to create a new iron curtain and stop russia from trading with, with western europe and keep us near the line with the us. but as we see in west africa, where the french dominates uh, their whole, the neo colonial hold, which has been assisted by the us. i mean, it could it's, it's likely a recording to max blumenthal,

his dad said blumenthal those emails to hillary. the french were very well be fearful that libya was going to, um, basically we can the french, the currency in west africa. and that was one of the reasons they were behind getting rid of a good that they, because he wanted to unified africa. but now even those countries are rebelling against the system. and if, if they're able to kick france out of west africa, which they've really been plundering for quite a long time or of the century. then where with this brands have returned. but to the east, i mean, this is where the us position as a global head, tomatoes is, is weakening, and even in europe, there's a, here's a secret suppressed history of things. the us, i'm glad you have done when, if leaders didn't do what the us wonder them to do. even if they were in the western countries, when the us ousted the, the australian prime minister in the 1970s us, not europe obviously, but also although morrow the assassination in like 1972 or 73 and all of palma. and

i think 86 offered hair housing in the late eighty's at the end of the cold war. i mean, this business, this whole history of a bad things that the us has done when it took over management of western war period. well, aaron, air and so on bills are coming due as bills are coming due. and aaron, let me go to matthew. now what about nord stream? i mean, what you know, here here is, you know, they, these people that glorify climate change and all of it us and you have an administration the united states by all accounts come on. we created the, the, the worst geological incident and in the world history. okay. i mean, this is what you do to your friends. what do they do to their enemies? again, matthew, this is a ship, the global ship, the narratives i think is very, very interesting. and, and we, we, you know, we saw the united states outraged about the co and nigeria, but they weren't outraged in 2014 in ukraine. the world picks up on these things. matthew, as well, i think your point also north stream. i always have thought is,

is under emphasizes an incredibly important on the narrative perspective, simply because that was the one to me, the one incident that showed significant actors in western europe. but wait a minute. the united states always tells us that when it pursues its interest, those american interests also always perfectly aligned with the global good. and they always try to sell that narrative. but north stream. and the ridiculousness sort of pendulum swinging back and forth explanation of who did it, who possibly could do it when everyone knew who really did it was the united states that showed at least certain partners in your partners, in quotation marks that maybe the ice age will always just pursue is interest and if it isn't aligned with the global good, that's not going to matter because this north stream incident hurts us us in western europe. well, mass matthew, i, i talked to a number of germans ever since then. and i've, i've asked, you know, what, what do people think about this? me, he told me that everybody and jeremy knows who did it. you just can talk about it.

okay. that's another thing that's changing in the west. you, you're not allowed to talk about certain things um, questioning elections and things like that. anyway, a, let me go back to you and montreal. it was interesting. but anthony, blinking said a couple of days ago, the old world order is over, but it is over. i think we will all agree with that, but not on the way he thinks he thinks the american ahead gemini has a bright rate in the future. i mean, these people are completely out of touch eve. yeah, i mean, i think that a china is rise, is he is a, i mean, china is now become the biggest economy in the world. and despite all of the rhetoric about, you know, downturn in short term, china is going to be the dominant economic power. it is already the dominic dominate trade. the trading nation was something like a 100 countries. um,

so that's, that's a problem for the us and, and the where we're seeing that their efforts to try to weaken chinese economy in not a success. so we just saw a while away with coming out with the science, the new phones, which was supposed to not be possible with us sanctions but, but, but, but i do also think that due to, to put back a back a bit against that a little bit i do seem to see us, it has some to be a success on the military front in subordinating, you know, philippines, the fact that the philippines is giving americans all these bases. the fact that australia has just completely gone along. the fact that japan is increasing is military spending to target china. they seem to have had some success with bringing japan and south korea together so, so they are, i think having some success. i bet on the jew political and the military level and economic level. it seems to me, if things are going there, you know,

worse and worse for the us. and like, as, as you pointed out, obviously the sanctions in russia, all that stuff is just, you know, it's basically not, not worked uh, as, as was, as we planned. but be, let me ask you a question here. but here's your talking about a new cold war when we have new divisions here. okay, it's going to be russia, china, and countries around it, and then you have an american lead block. i mean, that seems by design. is that a good idea in your mind? i mean, this could all be avoidable if, if, if there was that intent, go ahead. this is absolutely madness. i think. yeah, hold on to do my produce perspective. i mean, i, i don't, but somebody's been to the top concern should be dealing with the ecological collapse that we're seeing. we're seeing all over. i think we have huge problems of an equity. both the, you don't in north america and around the world. we have, we have, you know, problems that would be, that people still dying from, from diseases that we should we do shipping wave down

a long time without any device, but you is, but a big russia is the problem. china is the problem. so you businesses that narrative, you know, we can, we can do with the environment right now. we can deal with any quality. right now. we have to deal with the russians and the chinese and authoritarian. we think that's exactly what blinking said a day ago. go ahead. e. no, any, you just look around. i mean, here in montreal, they just reports about homelessness, right? all across north america homeless is up, is up huge amounts since the pandemic. these are real problems right here, but we hear all this discussion about security. well, force the force burning all around literally all around me, montreal, all the summer for us to bring one that's a real security is a huge health consequences from all the pollutants. obviously the, just the danger of the fire, but we're 12 security and what they really need is joining the us empire to send canadian naval vessels halfway across the world to provoke china in the, in the taiwan strait or the south, tennessee, or what they mean just sending more,

more billions of dollars, a canadian weapon re to ukraine to solely we can fight to the last for credit. and that's what security we use for the people. right. i so i get, i guess aaron, it'd be the, the, the, the, the flu virus on malware in, in, in hawaii, they, they didn't, they didn't rate security so they let it burn. okay. having one of the largest military bases in the world of pearl harbor and they had no access to help those people. okay. it's a shows priorities. eric, it's, it seems to me what we've discussed with this program here is that elite driven ideas and agendas and everything else is left to, to withdraw away. aaron. so, yeah, i mean, that's what an empire exist, score it exists to enrich and aggrandize the oligarchy of the imperialist nation. and the us itself has seen its own development as a democratic society, you know, sideline bodies, people, i think, in the 19 sixty's there were elements as strong currents and us society that wanted

peace and, and then the solving of human problems. and the leaders who were uh, you know, leading this, this, these popular movements and this popular will really the preventable will of the, of the american people, the kennedy brothers and m. okay. and knock max even as he sort of evolved in his political thinking. they killed all these people just so the us is sort of like iran, with 1953 or, or all the countries in latin america or in the us as intervene. we've had our own development in history altered drastically by this. these a lease is oligarchy of corporate. well, that's set on dominating the world and these references to ecological problems and other problems and inequality. i mean, there, it would really be something if a nation can come along a powerful nation and lead the other nations of the world to say we're going to focus on trying to somehow work together and solve some human problems and respect

each other sovereignty in the meantime, and we want international politics, not just to be a game of, uh, you know. yeah, but it is fire game with empire. it's very interesting is i'm going to matthew now . that's what the global south is talking about. collectively, is dealing with these problems. but the west is always boiling for a fight to maintain. had gemini, matthew? well, they always, the, i know, talked about this for a very long time, is it's interesting to me that they are spoiling for a fight to maintain in germany. while of course, always trying to tell people that that's not what they're doing. that the, the gemini is not a gemini at all, but simply and eric in pursuit of global good. i know, i keep repeating that phrase, but that's, that's it's narrative that it was others to buy into. i don't think it's been very successful, especially over the last 30 years since the end of the cold war. but that's been really the ultimate problem. and i'm the lead tribune thing to me matters not just

in a historical perspective, but in a contemporary one american media, mainstream media, for sure, as, as definitely not invested or to go to educating the masses on that. so that's our, that's, that's not where the priority is now, is when they, they are our bosses where they are, this the dog prefers for power. that's all they are. okay. um, all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest and watch it in philadelphia and, and montreal's, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time we member across the, the known in vietnam, american war, the vietnam war. last, it's almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any terms we have now, and then you can just say now, what is all i'm empty?

hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i got that not meant to supply american soldiers, limited resistors mercilessly burned down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and lee by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive yet yet? and that's that way. it's too late but yes, the

us the death toll from the floods. ringback in libya surpasses 11000 people the you and whether agencies face the facility levels kind of being lessened with better security. it's in the country. that statement comes as the country continues to deal with the aftermath of western intervention. also a head. the one answer is that it is now and accepted the reality that presidents in the post 911, even they don't hesitate to manipulate in lie about even the most competitive intelligence reports if they don't fit into their political agenda.