the, the, the hello and welcome to the cross stock were all things are considered. i am peter lavelle, nato's general secretary young, spelt and burg, cuz acknowledged, but why don't we approve this decision to enter ukraine. the last year was to prevent nato from expanding into the country. the claim, it was an unprovoked invasion, is propaganda. the west ukraine narrative is unraveling the cross talking western narratives. i'm joined by my guess. erin, good in philadelphia. he's a political scientist historian, as well as all through an american exception empire in the deep state in washington . we have matthew crossed and he is professor of national security and director of

academic transformations at bowie state university. and in montreal we cross the bank, lrc. steve is a canadian foreign policy institute, fellow journalist and author, or a gentleman, cross type roles, and the fact that means can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate air. and let me go to you 1st. i mean stilton bird, he's not the brightest guy. that's probably why he has the job because he usually just repeats talking points written in washington. but he did kind of slip off by saying that the, the reason why russia entered ukraine last year is to prevent nato expansion. while we were told that was an unprovoked attack. that's what they keep saying over and over again. but you know, this delta bird has a habit of doing this. he said, you know, from 2014 to 2022. they were arming ukraine to the teeth. i mean, they can't keep their narrative straight. and i want to talk about later how the world doesn't believe it. your thoughts, aaron, as well, it's pretty clear that nato expansion has been well underway since the end of the

cold war. and that the u. s. has never been really candid about its aims and why it was doing what it was doing. but i think that this with ukraine, they really cross the river counter, says because they knew precisely as we know from the wiki leaks cables with the the, the, the see i courtesy i, director that he knew you know, to, more than 10 years ago that nato was a nato expansion, and to ukraine was the red us, the red lines for russia. and that was precisely why they uh, they stage of the made on to in the 1st place to put in the us friendly government in to have it was it's, it's not that they were pursuing some diplomacy and then accidentally did something, was damaged, rushes, security. they intentionally set about inflicting as much harm to rest and security as big as they could to threaten russian security and their,

their presence in ukraine or potential presence in ukraine is deemed an existential threat by russia. and the us knew that, and that was precisely why they did what they did. so this is something that more and more people are coming to understand in the past, it was only kind of cold war, a foreign policy walks that understood it. and most of them were dissembling about it if they're employed by academia or in thank take. so the result has been a slow realization that apparently has now finally reached the head of nato. that what this war was really about. m matthew is it's really quite interesting because we how we got so many off the cuff comments like lloyd austin, the us secretary, defense thing. he wanted to significantly weak in russia. ok. and it's comments like that then you know, and then of course people around them, correct them. but this is a very, very much provoked war. it was very intentional as aaron is point in and out. and this was the path that they were going down. they thought they truly believed that the sanctions wouldn't work. that would cripple roch's economy. well,

russia's economy is due to grow 2 percent of this current year and they're only contracting 2 point one percent last year. so they've grossly miscalculated over and over again. and nato itself is a military alliance. now that says, united states, okay, we've seen all through this complex here, the nato. i wouldn't call it a paper tiger, but it's really not a, it's more of a separate club, but a political club in a military alliance. matthew, i, i like the fact that use that even the term miscalculation because i, i like what aaron had mentioned you, when do you cross the rubicon? you cross the river, gone when you're not worried that anything is on the other side of it to bother you . and that was sort of, there was sort of an implicit arrogance or over confidence on the part of nato that it could do in ukraine. what it's done with all of the other additions over the last 10 years in terms of its membership. and there wouldn't be consequences even despite the very exclusive and transparent expressions from the chrome. i'm saying

there will be consequences if you do this. this is different from all the others. how nato just simply didn't believe it, or what you were mentioning the miscalculation is it really so much about provocation as much about we miscalculate and we misinterpreted. we mean nato, the united states that russia has the capability of doing anything. and even if it does, we're able to meet the strength to strength without injuring ourselves or damaging ourselves in any way. yeah, it's even montreal, it's very interesting is because i on this program, unfortunately, you can't watch it on youtube anymore. but when it was on youtube, i was telling the world, months before the conflict, it's going to happen. it's going to happen on december 17th with the before the conflict, the russian sent out to nato to washington. these terms and conditions of negotiating, or avoiding a conflict and they totally blew it off and stoves and burg again. and mentioned, yes we, we got this here, but we didn't take it seriously. those are my words. okay. but he didn't take it

seriously. and, and this is the result here. i mean, this was so transparently obvious that this was going to happen. i was screaming at the top of my lungs, this is going to happen. and nobody in the west believed that they thought it was all hyperbolic eve as well. i thinking that that speech that he may where he may not an issue, which is of course, a very important mission and clear this was a cut out for the other side. what he said was he was boasting, oh, sweet entertainment joining. so i think from, from a us perspective, maybe this call the anglo sphere perspective. this isn't, this isn't the bad thing, right? you have, you have seen that you have expansion, nato, you have germany specifically, but western europe further subordinated to us do your political interest. you know, lessening there, there are a, they're purchasing of a russian, uh,

natural gas and oil and whatnot. and, and so, so from a us perspective in the fact that, you know, ukraine is destroyed, the fact that hundreds of thousands are killed or injured. and that's, that's fine, that's that, that, that's worth it from a, from a jewel critical perspective. so, so i think that, yes, i agree with you. this was clearly provoke the, the, you know, the counter offensive is going to fail. and there is a, be, there is a bit of a problem for nato, with regards to, you know, what they're able to do in, in ukraine. because i think it's still possible that russia, you know, at least guess odessa and, you know, expands expands a further but, but, but from i think from a macro perspective, that i don't think that this was a, you know, a bad thing from us to a political interest obviously very good for all the arms companies. so. so it's a little bit of, i think um, you know, for the ukraine is a disaster is catastrophe. and from any sort of human district perspective,

if that isn't, that's the case. but from a really kind of hard line kind of geo political calculation, this is probably all still kind of basically worth it from us perspective it's, i absolutely agree with you. i think that the, it's a very sober way of looking at air. and speaking of, you know, the costs and the benefits here to date, the, of the, by the administration is slated over a 100000000000 dollars to ukraine. what, what is the return on investment there? i mean it's not the return on the investment is a whole lot of the ukrainians or no longer you no longer living best. i can tell it's hard to know what the point to it seems. inviting maybe in the us, maybe trying to keep to avert disaster before the election. and then who knows. i mean that the, it seems like reality is starting to sink and you see more reporting in different places in the west that the counter, if they're just acknowledging the reality with the counter offensive,

has failed spectacularly. except in terms of, you know, creating more you creating casualties. so this is a, it's been a, is that, that part is a waste. and i, i would disagree with the, with, with eve because i think that this has, it's on the surface. it's good for arms companies and so on and probably health system that you know, you sell us natural gas and such. but i think that the us is a point where it can waste a $100000000.00 on war and added the deficit that way because of his control over the dollar. and i, i believe that this ukraine war and the russian evasion of the sanctions regime in the creation of new institutions to handle international payments. that all these things are going to collude to the hey, some of the demise of the dollar, which is really what the us empire has been based on since the, the post bretton woods regime really got consolidated a couple of years into reagan's administration in the us and so it has just been

this junk or not thanks to the power of the dollar its ability to run in with military. well, i think yes, i think i think both of you can be right at the same time because i agree with you as well. here a math or you're not in your head, jump in, and i think just and then maybe this is too cynical, but i've said this in the past as well. we peters that the ultimate investment in the long run for american perception is always been way you're going to tell us we get to do a proxy. ready or we're, we get to kill lots of russians, but we're not going to risk any american lives whatsoever in, in the consulate. and it will keep going and grinding forward and will be able to pursue through the media. public perception that the russian military is and at the leadership is incompetent with small, little wonder dog ukraine is able to hold it off. see, we've weaken them in terms of geo political strength. it's all perception on it's somewhat propagandistic, but that's still a return on investment that the united states still sort of stuck in that cold war

mentality. fines there are. yeah, but last but not to i think that means i think that that the love i think that approach has it has a shelf life. ok. because of, of what eve and here and just had just like there's a button, montreal, let me go to you. right before we we have it, we're going to a short break. you want to jump in a. yeah, i mean, i think that that's an interesting point about i agree with, there is a potential long term. i say clearly there's a lot of countries that are very concerned by the way, it is with the russian, a national bank assets were frozen. and that question of how they are sort of concerned about the long term reliability of their assets in, in, in, you know, in the west and their, their use of the us dollar. so that could, we might, history might point to this being leading to the, the weakening and breakdown of the dollar hedge money. and so that ben history look back on this is, is actually very damaging to us, a geo political of interest. yeah, well it's not as if the last 40 years out as

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in the interest of h here. so with that, i believe with the, with the nice of but not if it's a non issue for the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter in the military when you were discussing western narratives. the okay is go back to aaron in philadelphia. we recently had the, the brick summit and the g. 20. and well it didn't go so well for the west. they couldn't get their narrative over the top is matter of fact, it's really quite remarkable that the g 20 ended the way it did, it made a reference to ukraine, but just the conflict and nothing more. and that was something that we know that

the west is trying to globalize internationalize, the ukraine issue, and it's not getting traction as matter fact, it's getting going in reverse here. this is a narrative that you know is something that we talked about in the 1st part. of the program that isn't sustainable people just simply don't believe what the west is saying, aaron. right. i mean, i think that the us has been the global empire since the end of world war 2. and in europe it's still enjoy some support. but even in europe, there are signs that the us so generally maybe on the way there, i think, majorities in germany for example, believe that the us and 8 or more responsible for the ukraine war, then russia or guten, and so, and, and around the world mean west africa, what's happening in west africa is related to what's happening in new printer says because the, the us wanted to use the ukraine war as a way to create a new iron curtain and stop russia from trading with,

with western europe. and keep us near the line with the us. but as we see in west africa, where the french dominates uh, their cold, the neo colonial hold, which has been assisted by the us. i mean, it could, it's, it's likely a recording to max blumenthal, his dad said blumenthal those e mails to hillary. the french were very well be fearful that libya was going to, um, basically we can the french, the currency in west africa. and that was one of the reasons they were behind getting rid of a good that they, because he wanted a unified africa. but now even those countries are rebelling against the system. and if, if they're able to kick france out of west africa, which they've really been plundering for quite a long time or of the century, then where to dispense have he turned but to the east? i mean, this is where the us position as a global head, tomatoes is, is weakening, and even in europe, there's a, here's a secret suppress history of things. the us, i'm glad you have done when,

if leaders didn't do what the us wonder them to do. even if they were in the western countries in the us ousted the, the australian prime minister in the 1970s. that's not europe obviously. but also, although more of the assassination in like 1972 or 73 and all of palma, and i think 86 offered hair housing in the late eighty's at the end of the cold war . i mean, this business, this whole history of a bad things that the us has done when it took over management of western period. well aaron area, it's all around bills are coming due as bills are coming due. and aaron, let me go to matthew. now what about nord stream? i mean, what you know, here here is, you know, they, these people that glorify on climate change and all of it us and you have an administration the united states by all accounts come on. we created the, the, the worst, the geological incident and in the world history. okay. i mean, this is what you do to your friends, what do they do to their enemies? but again, matthew, this is a ship. the global shift in narratives i think is very,

very interesting. and, and we, we, you know, we saw the united states outraged about the co and nigeria, but they weren't outraged in 2014 in ukraine. the world picks up on these things, matthew, as well. i think your point also north stream i always have thought is, is under emphasizes an incredibly important on the narrative perspective. simply because that was the one to me, the one incident that showed significant actors in western europe. but wait a minute. the united states always tells us that when it pursues its interest, those american interests also always perfectly align with the global good. and they always try to sell that narrative, but north stream. and the ridiculousness sort of pendulum swinging back and forth explanation of who did it, who possibly could do it when everyone knew who really did it was the united states that showed at least certain partners in your partners, in quotation marks that maybe the united states will always just pursue is interest

and if it isn't aligned with the global good, that's not going to matter because this north stream is in hurts us us in western europe. well, mass matthew, i, i talked to a number of germans ever since then. and i've, i've asked, you know, what, what do people think about this? me, he told me said everybody and jeremy knows who did it. you just can talk about it. okay. that's another thing that's changing in the west. you, you're not allowed to talk about certain things um, questioning elections and things like that. anyway, even let me go back to you and montreal. it was interesting. but anthony, blinking said a couple of days ago, the old world's order is over, but it is over. i think we will all agree with that, but not on the way he thinks he thinks that the american head gemini has a bright rate in the future. i mean, these people are completely out of touch eve. yeah, i mean, i think that the china is rise is the, is a, i mean, china is, is now become the biggest economy in the world. and despite all of the rhetoric

about, you know, downturn in short term, china is going to be the dominant economic power. it is already the dominic dominant trade. uh, trading nation was something like a 100 countries. um, so that's, that's a problem for the us and, and the where we're seeing that their efforts to try to weaken chinese economy. uh, in not a success. so we just saw while way was coming out with a fancy new phones, which was supposed to not be possible with us sanctions but, but, but, but i do also think that did to, to push back a back a bit against that a little bit. i do seem to see us, it has some to be a success on the military front in subordinating, you know, philippines, the fact that the philippines is giving americans all these bases. the fact that australia has just completely gone along. the fact that japan is increasing is

military spending to target china. they seem to have had some success with bringing japan and south korea together so, so they are, i think having some success, i bet on the jew political and the military level and the economic level. it seems to me, if things are going or you know, worse and worse for the us. and like jazz is as pointed out, obviously the sanctions and russia, all that stuff is just, you know, it's basically not, not worked uh, as, as was, as we planned. but be a, let me ask you a question here. but here's your talking about a new cold war when we have new divisions here. okay, it's going to be russia, china, and countries around it, and then you have an american lead block. i mean, that seems by design. is that a good idea in your mind? i mean, this could always all be avoidable if, if, if there was that intent, go ahead. it is absolutely madness. i think. yeah, hold on my knees perspective. i mean, i, i'm, but somebody's been to the top concern, should be dealing with the logical collapse that we're seeing. we're seeing all

over. i think we have huge problems and equity. both the, you know, the north america and around the world we have, we have, you know, problems that will be when people still dying from, from diseases that we should, who should and wave down a long time. i mean, device by june is, but a big russia is the problem. china is the problem. so you, this is that narrative, you know, we, we, we can do with the environment right now. we can do with any quality right now we have to do with the russians. and the chinese authoritarian, we think that's exactly what blinking said a day ago. go ahead, you know, it ain't you just look around. i mean, here in montreal, they just reports about homelessness. right all across north america homeless is up is up huge amounts since the pen demik. these are real problems right here. but we hear all this discussion about security. well, force the force to burn and all around literally all around me, montreal, all the summer for us to bring one that's a real security is a huge health consequences from all the pollutants. obviously the,

just the danger of the fire, but we're told security and what they really mean is joining the us empire to send canadian naval vessels halfway across the world to provoke china in the, in the taiwan strait or the south trying to see or what they mean, just sending more, more billions of dollars, a canadian web, it re, to ukraine to solely. we can fight to the last we created. that's what security we use for the people. right. i so i get, i guess aaron, it'd be the, the, the, the, the flu virus and malware in, in, in hawaii they, they did, they didn't rate security. so they let it burn ok. having one of the largest military bases in the world of pearl harbor and they had no access to help those people. okay. it's a shows priorities. aaron, it's, it seems to me what we've discussed with this program here is that elite driven ideas and agendas and everything else is left to, to withdraw away. aaron. yeah, i mean that's what an empire exist,

score it exists to enrich and aggrandize the oligarchy of the imperialist nation. and the us itself has seen its own development as a democratic society, you know, sidelined by these people. i think in the 90 and sixty's, there were elements, a strong parents and us society that wanted peace and then the solving of human problems. and the leaders who were uh, you know, leading this, this, these popular movements and this popular will really the preventable will of the, of the american people, the kennedy brothers and m. okay. and knock max even to see sort of evolved in his political thinking. they killed all these people just so the us is sort of like iran, with 1953 or, or all the countries in latin america or in the us is intervene. we've had our own development in history altered drastically by this. these a lease is oligarchy of corporate. well, that's set on dominating the world and these references to ecological problems and

other problems and inequality. i mean, there, it would really be something if a nation can come along a powerful nation and lead the other nations of the world to say we're going to focus on trying to somehow work together and solve some human problems and respect each other sovereignty in the meantime, and we want international politics, not just to be a game of a, you know, yeah, but the entire game of empire, it's very interesting is i'm going to matthew now. that's what the global south is talking about. collectively, is dealing with these problems. but the west is always boiling for a fight to maintain. had gemini, matthew? well, they always, i know, talked about this for a very long time. it's, it's interesting to me that there spoiling, for a fight to maintain in germany. while of course, always trying to tell people that that's not what they're doing, reflect that the, the gemini is not the germany at all, but simply a man, eric in pursuit of global good. i know i keep repeating that phrase, but that's,

that's, that's narrative that it was others to buy into. i don't think it's been very successful, especially over the last 30 years since the end of the cold war. but that's been really the ultimate problem and i'm the lead tribune thing to me matters not just a historical perspective, but in a contemporary one, the american media, mainstream media for sure, as, as definitely not invested or to go educating the masses on that. so that's our, that's, that's not where the priority is now is when they, they are caustic, where they are, the stenographer is for power. that's all they are. okay. um or i gentlemen, that's all the time we have them. and i think my guess in washington, philadelphia and in montreal, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time we member across the, [000:00:00;00]

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