for go whistle blowing, community after suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. as a result of room was blowing, including suicidal ideation, she set out to help others in the same positions. and like so many other whistle blowers, she suffered personal isolation and financial ruin. and friends and family members ostracized her that spurred her to become involved with whistle blowers, u. k, and whistle blowers of america. notably in the area of mental health for whistle blowers, she now lectures and trains individuals and companies on ethics and integrity and business. and she has contributed to a best selling book on these issues. june bellamy, welcome to the show. thank you, john. thanks for the platform, facebook, the tom june. it seems to me that the most important work you've done is that work that you've done since you blowing the whistle. so let's begin with your time that samsung. what kind of work were you doing there? what wrong doing, did you see, and what did you do about it?

i started so satisfying 2013 and i was at the digital camera of china for about 3 and a half years. and then that division closed. and i was given a different options to moving to the tv, the reason or the service division. and i chose the service division to become the empty tray now. and, and i'll stick to today's role and be quite t and d r. we now was in that position, there was a lot of talk about the direct at the time and needed to them for me is i'm and bullying. oh, all views and different antics like what going on in the, in the department. and being used to the apartment, you know, you don't want to off the box, you just want to keep your heat down and get the job done. and they were just too many people said the site and see and it was very early on again,

some of the service division partners, the franchise tools that started raising sleggs with me. and this prompted me to look into what they were talking about. and it was, it was inc, 2017. in june that i decided to play the whistle actually on the face of g. and i believe it was so around various company policies that were being breached by this director. and just to get a little bit of a back story in 2013, when i joined, since they had just initiate the 0 tolerance policy on will supply. so the was 0 tolerance for any and this misbehavior or any breaks in a breach of the policy. and that is what prompts me to do this because year on, yeah, they train you, we will protect to suppliers if you see something say something. so that is what i

did in the information. one of the key pieces, the information that was given to me, i ended are the because other people would to stage and to actually handle the other. so that was the myriad of different pieces of information. i'll also be on 2 different platforms. i did it in person and i utilize the circle, confidential law, and uh, both of those avenues at piedmont, i d, g and came looking for me. it was a blow which opposes direct contradiction to all list of 9 companies. policies that they will not come off. tammy. k, h was what was the immediate fall out from your whistle blowing? how did the company react? so i wasn't here on the face of june, and i actually went on even weeks studies and weeks holiday. by the time i got back,

the retaliation started straight away. i started getting emails from the i to departments and my medias managers and telling me to stop in stocking the stuff i gave this particular director. i need, if you went to the order team division, because samsung, his internal order team department, that's how they manage the most of like, and i see i'm being targeted. i'm being retained the i to the gainst. you have to do something. you have to protect me and the response to me was sorry, but you'll have to get yourself a lawyer. and i'll just actually the set of goss because that was, is complete contradiction to all of the years. all we will protect you. this thing is important tonight. yeah. and this is something that happens with most of that. and you also don't know what you don't know in the moment and it was a 20. 19 off that being dismissed,

i was dismissing 2018 of your life. say that, you know, people had left the company and they gave me evidence and information that the company was covering at fault products. and it was, this particular was director that was part and parcel of this whole kind of rep. so they chose to protect you. and not myself, because the business is a brand, same stuff was covering the fault product. so the retaliation was immediate in every party. and everybody knew then that i was well supplied. the director was supplied, sorry, did i read to you that i was was supplied by media supervisors and asked feedback next. yeah. the guess slips believed ostracized. and you know, do you work stub changes? i was just detecting oh,

different man is. and at the time you don't have the language in there. any reason i controlled about this now is because i've learned so much about it now. i'm not what, he's toxic tactics. all that and a surrounding the retaliation and the guess locking in the marketing and all of those of one of those things that have come to you said was immediate. and it was night protection of perhaps more important than your direct whistle blowing. and i say this because of the good works that have come out of your experience was what happened after you blew the whistle? you went through what most whistle blowers go through. you suffered social isolation, you were ruined financially. and you suffered from depression and suicidal ideation . we've all been there and it's terrible. how did you get through those initial rough days? and i think john, it's, you know, right, acosta. and it's been a lot of trial in the era and one of my saving graces he states. i was studying

mindfulness at the time just before i was really i signed up to do it to you a month on the schools. and they gave me a lot of awareness, a movie, and as of myself and my emotions, what i was going through, it also gave me tools to manage it, split up in the states week by week as i was really next. um, i would have a religious experience at work and then i could apply those tools. but more the next must situations a little bit different because i'm single, i'm of mary. so i didn't have a partner to come home to united states, discuss things with. i made a conscious decision about it. yeah. into this not to involve my immediate fame, my other, you know, my siblings because the trauma was too much. the stress was too much. so i pull a lot of the building on myself and, and knowing,

and the determined that it would have one of the things that i have been doing. and so i'm glad i'm doing this is reaching out. so i did start reaching out for support . uh, we started a small list of i had spoke to to south africa. i mean reached out to jake gary and in my mindful compassion with my self compassion. i was attending a weekly session every tuesday with complete strangers that know nothing about most of larry, but just that support structure was the to listen and just whole space. and the tricky thing to navigate. yeah. is that when you're going to all these different scenarios, sometimes you have positives and then you have negatives. and women with success, you say it gets to that suicidal ideation. it's being able to literally just gets

through that moment in next day. focus on what's happening right now because there's nothing you can do because of the depression, the financial, the summation is literally just getting to my and from on that side. i'm very lucky because as recently as september last year is when i was find myself at 2 o'clock in the morning top, you know my suicide later. so how you get through it is you have to degree d a good fit resilience, and reach out you need to reach out to somebody, anybody, even if it's just the suicide health lives of use, the lux ending alternates and my resources. so i don't have food and, and people with the whole page because it is a lot to carry. and it is a lot for people to maintain it interesting as well because it goes onto so long

doesn't just, you will slow one day and it's done. you will supplier and it'll fix you for the rest of your life. what was it that led you to think that you wanted to do something to aid whistle blowers, mental health? and how did you that started? what did you focus on? nice the agency and it's not, it's you left experience. what is your lift experience you have a lot more to bring and serendipitous. he was a mom on this training happening. hand in hand ends in south africa, tom, the was no, me pull health support and my country so they for k is not the beast with uh, with that health system guarantee of being without a psychological support for, you know, 6 months. so we have a very big back of the so, and it's also a case of you have to reinvent yourself. you know, you've come out of this corporate c t. m. as i've lived through these years, my peak use the manage face in a work environment. so in any environment,

whether it's a corporate setting or just the retail chain, and i would see all of these, anything with a hierarchy structure tree gives me and i have no trust in those spaces. so having to reinvent myself, what am i going to do not in a living. and i did start to focus on the main so health because mine was an inspection disarray and it was nice, portia and next we now started reaching out, luckily online. and i made a contribution to the sample, social impacts was of low retaliation. you know, it was checked to gary and martina back that came up last year. and the importance of this is that the, the terminology you see, and in south africa we have rectified the l o 190. and this is a major when, because it speaks to and saw some logical patient in the way place in the labels.

so because i had very little support. yeah. and we were well below as trying to help most of those. and unfortunately, even in that space, i experienced shame and bullying and ostracized ration as well. and that was a mess up for me because it was the what's up low stakes of doing it to each other, but we didn't know any beta at the top. so as i said, this being very serendipitous. i bleed to lots of made some of the connections in the space, and i'm truly made full now as well. so i've been working on this, getting to know, understand the narcissism behind this top of leadership. and you know, with south africa and the, the labels of correction we have and also i will supply those. we are called the judge and a lot of them austin killed so high managing your mental health

a trying to sustain and to so moving forward is key in boxes because it's not only you, it's going to affect your family. it's gonna take every aspect of the law, so these a lot that we can offer, you know, and, and also shifting into the space. i'm hoping that i can make a difference. yeah. as others have made for me. doing bellamy, thank you so much for speaking with us. we have a lot more coming up in this conversation. june. bellamy is a south african corporate whistleblower and active is. and we're going to discuss how she got out of for depression from the isolation of whistle blowing right after the break state. and. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, the

known in vietnam as the american war, the vietnam war, lost its almost 2 decades and drained in numerous countries yard. any time between now and then, you don't see it. now. what is all i'm empty? hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i got to say no, not that not, but the american soldiers murdered resistors mercilessly burned down entire

villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and lee laid up day by all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive you? yes. that's the way it's too late. to take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures, design to simplify all confused. who really wants a better wills and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground?

can the welcome back to the list of lawyers. i'm john 3 onto were speaking with south african corporate whistleblower and activist june bellamy godaddy with this june. thanks again for being here. thanks for having me, john. we were talking in the 1st segment about your reaction, your response to the fall out from your whistle blowing. take us back to that period. you're depressed, you're isolated, you're broke. how did you break out of that? how did you decide to do something for other whistle blowers? well, i'll tell you that you've done a minute out of the gigs as you used to be 2 weeks ago. i had this here from the cold chair. and he took the last of my belongings to so you need to know the fridge . and so the struggle is real. but to answer your question, um the, the breaking out of it is, it is

a combination of what can you manage on the day and, and who else is at the going to the same same, reaching out. and if there's one thing i know to be truly last is that when you help others, it helps you so in this service and offering the systems to others. i've also been fueled a lot by that. and so one of the things i did actually was i started stokes, etc. and house it. and because i don't have a piece of my own and even in the ducks, let's see. the dogs pretty signed much during these. nothing the but joy such as all these different areas of change and shift and i've tried to incorporate in small life and the, like i said, the service to others was, was a very big component of that. and that's what shifted leading to the space of

naturally trying to make it better for those who come off dress because we have a long way to go. and we also sleepy too, and where i can, i speaking to and as a student in our judicial changes as well, we have some really strong. so the society groups here and the 1st draw up, they propose changes to i just license to be in a particular blows is just come out and i have the comment. so that's we will take some time, you know, because these not income coming in. but i will put into that because you know, if it will help somebody else and hopefully they don't have to go through what you've gone through. and if they do, in some ways, it's been a full that you would lied yourself with whistleblowers, who k and with whistle blowers of america. tell us about the work that you did with those 2 groups and the benefits for south african whistle blowers or so i'd say and

what's the of america and what's my 1st point of contact? and to jack, he asked me to gina, profitable and days. so you try his just recently, they going through the parliamentary system, a reading in changing most of that was the and these are very strong robust, and the case for having a completely separate at all, but some of the, so to speak, remain each of these cases so it doesn't go to the legal system because the legal system takes too long. and as we all know, as one of my high stakes the business, you take somebody like samsung. they can just start billions edits and keep use of price for as long as they want. so the key area in this is that it's brought to different countries together. and we have a lot of collaboration happening now between us so that because u. k. and we also bringing in very, very of,

at various other countries as canada is also, you know, coming into the conversations. and as a collective you, you look, you know, what is working, what isn't working, what needs to change, and you get to throw these ideas around and does it, oh, i hear those because when you say, look, we've tried this, it doesn't work. it's rather go down the street, x, y, and z. so in the neighbor ration again, what it's very important as well is it gives you voice. it gives you voice that you being heard, that you are making a difference because the more that we have a voice is we are a recess fuel and gives us energy to carry on, which he needs and very difficult, very long periods of time in making the slow changes, so i think the big plus the big thing to remember yet, and that's, you know, we're another line. and if you reach out across the board is these you will meet

and you will become connected with people who have the same goal is you and very last the street. that's we, i st cloud's the numbers because i'm, it's no longer just, you know, june the inside of africa taking on the speak the he this, you know, i mean phenomenal people and across the globe. and they will support you. so, you know, you know, the learning this i'm interested also in the educational courses that you've developed regarding whistle blowing. what do you cover in this course and to whom is it targeted? have you seen results from it? i say n b is not a specific cause to say, so just to clarify some awful mix with those courses. they are based on the works of john cabinets in which is the space detection resilience pain. so the, so you know, the formats it's cost is what i bring into the,

into the components is a lot of self compassion. this all compassion components is key because when you're in situations like this, they can be a little sick and casey. so the voice in your head must be very strong and compassionate and pro you so it's literally like having your own cheerleader in your own heat, you know, giving you the support that you need to carry on. because there's a lot of nice says in this environment. and the course is that the looking to do now because of the book. and because we can apply for cpd and continue practice points. we can ass stopped educating literally any boss or to any academia, any business who has glass and h, or any company policies in place. and we can specifically start teaching in

a bass the bullying language about the what's up low retaliation? are you doing this? are you not doing it or you even the way that your company is or is not supporting so successful, even really not the courses at the moment. these very few companies that's uh well the, you know, well come the honesty and the cheese of how to pay to protect both of those and might be a take books exercise on these thoughts. so writing not courses at the moment is being geared towards an education on the legal side, the psychology sides lack of saying human resources, leadership and anybody that yeah, anybody that's well with an institution with any continue practice points to this topples curriculum around this list of names penny ation becoming soleah with what

it is, is we need to get in a peer support at the june bellamy. thank you so much for joining us and for helping to shine a light on what it is that most whistle blowers go through. and thank you to our viewers for being with us. japanese writer, novelist and essay is how we keep we're coming once said quotes. when you come out of a storm, you won't be the same person that walked in. that's what the storm is all about, and quote, these rights. and that is what leads to the strength necessary to speak truth to power, just like june, bellamy did. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john to reaku. we'll see you next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the the,

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