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the one of the most difficult things to do when you're considering becoming a whistleblower is taking on a giant international conglomerate. they have armies of lawyers, they often times have infiltrated government. they can afford to ignore local laws and just pay fines on the rare occasions that they're caught violating the law or somebody's rights. and if an employee dares to confront them to take them on, especially in public, then it's often times an all out of war to destroy the whistle blower. that's exactly what our next guest faced. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 we are joining today by

a major international business whistleblower. she's going to tell us about her whistle blowing revelations and their aftermath working against samsung in south africa. it's a story that will sound familiar to you. a story about waste, fraud abuse and illegality. but what makes this whistle blower so important is what she chose to do. in the aftermath of her whistle blowing, she began assisting many st. capture and corporate whistle blowers through their own experiences. she set up an information south africa whistle blowing community after suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. as a result of her own was blowing, including suicidal ideation. she set out to help others in the same positions. and like so many other whistle blowers, she suffered personal isolation and financial ruin. and friends and family members ostracized her that spurred her to become involved with whistle blowers, u. k, and whistle blowers of america. notably in the area of mental health for whistle

blowers, she now lectures and trains individuals and companies on ethics and integrity and business. and she has contributed to a best selling book on these issues. june bellamy, welcome to the show. thank you, john. thanks for the platform, facebook tom, june. it seems to me that the most important work you've done is that work that you've done since he's blowing the whistle. so let's begin with your time that samsung. what kind of work were you doing there? what wrong doing? did you see and what did you do about it? it has started so satisfying me. 2013. and i was at the digital camera, china for about 3 and a half years and then that division closed. and i was given some options to moving to the tv, the reason or the service division. and i chose the sales division to become the empty tray now. and, and i'll stick to to that role and be quite t and d r. we now was in that position, there was

a lot of talk about the direct at the time and nature to them for me is i'm and bullying o o b use different intakes that going on in the, in the department. and being used to the apartment, you know, you don't want to rock the bike, you just want to keep your heat down and get the job done. and they were just too many people saying the same thing. and it was very early on the gain, some of the service division partners, the franchise tools that started raising sleggs with me. and this prompted me to look into what they were talking about. and it was, it was in 2017 in june that i decided to play with for actually on the face of g. and i believe it was so around various company policies that were being breached

by this director. and just to give you a little bit of a back story in 2013, when i joined samsung, they had just initiate the 0 tolerance policy on will supply. so the was 0 toner is for any. and this must be, have you, any breaks, you know, breeches in policy is very, is what prompts me to do this because year on yeah, they train you, we will protect the will suppliers if you see something say something. so that is what i did in the information. one of the key pieces of information that was given to me i ended are the because other people were to steed and to actually handle the other. so that was a myriad of different pieces of information. i'll also be on 2 different platforms . i did it in person and i utilize the circle, confidential hack law. and uh, both of those avenues at piedmont,

i d, g and came looking for me as it was, which opposes direct contradiction to all list of main companies. policies that they will not come off to anything i was that's what was the immediate fall out from your whistle blowing? how did the company react? so i was looking on the face of june and i actually went on even weeks studies and weeks holiday. by the time i got back, the retaliation started straight away. i started getting emails from the i to departments and my medias managers and telling me to stop in stocking the stuff i gave this particular director. i need, if you went to the order team division, because samsung, his internal order team department, that's how they manage the will supply. and i see i'm being told it said, i'm being retaining i to the gainst. you have to do something. you have to protect

me and the response to me was sorry, but you left to get yourself to know. yeah. and i was just actually the san lagos because that was in complete contradiction to all of the years. all the we will protect you. the thing that's important tonight, yeah, and this is something that happens with most of that and you often don't know what you don't know in the moment and it was a 20. 19 off that being dismissed, i was dismissing 2018 and the light say that, you know, people had left the company and they gave me evidence and information that the company was covering at fault products. and it was this particular, what's the director that was part and parcel of this whole cover up. so they chose to protect him and not myself because the business is a brand,

same stuff was covering up for the product. so the retaliation was immediate and everybody and everybody knew thing that i was well supplied, the director was supplied. sorry, the direction use that i was well supplied by media supervisors. and i spent the next yeah. the gas slips bullied ostracized. and, you know, do you work stub changes? i was just a tech to, oh, different man is and at the time you don't have the language in there. any reason i can talk about this now is because i've learned so much about it. now. i'm not what he's toxic tactics, all that and a surrounding the retaliation and the guess locking in the modeling and all of those as one of those things that and can see. so it was the mediates and it was night protection. it's perhaps more important than your direct whistle blowing. and i say this because of the good works that have come out of your experience. was

what happened after you blew the whistle? you went through what most whistle blowers go through. you suffered social isolation, you were ruined. financially, and you suffered from depression and suicidal ideation. we've all been there and it's terrible. how did you get through those initial rough days? and i think john is, you know, right, acosta. and it's been a lot of trial and the era and one of my saving graces is that i was study mindfulness at the time just before i was really i signed up to do a t amman from the schools. and they gave me a lot of awareness. i'm moving into sort of myself and my emotions. what i was going through it was it gave me tools to manage it, split up in the states week by week as i was really next. um, i would have a religious experience at work and then i could apply those tools. but more the

next must situations a little bit different because i'm single. i'm a married so i didn't have a partner to come home to united. vince discuss things with i made a conscious decision about it. yeah. into this not to involve my immediate fame, my other, you know, my siblings because the trauma was too much, the stress was too much. so i'll pull a lot of that building on myself and a knowing and the determined that it would have one of the things that i have been doing in um, so i'm glad i'm doing this is reaching out. so i did start reaching out for support . uh, we started a small list of nice bookkeeping started pre k. i me reached out to gary and in my mindful compassion with my self compassion. i was attending a weekly session every tuesday with complete strangers that know nothing about

school supply, but it's that support structure was the to listen and just hold space. and the tricky thing to navigate. yeah. is that when you're going to all these different scenarios, sometimes you have positives and then you have negatives. and women with success, you say it gets to that suicidal ideation. it's being able to literally just gets through that moment in next day. focus on what's happening right now because these nothing you can do because of the depression, the financial, the summation is literally just getting to mind from i'm it say, i'm very lucky because as recently as september last year is when i was by myself at 2 o'clock in the morning top, you know my suicide later. so how you get through it is you have to degree

d to get back to resilience and reach out you need to reach out to somebody, anybody, even if it's just the suicide of health lives. i've used the lux ending alternates and my resources, so i don't own the food and, and people with the whole page because it is a lot to carry. and it doesn't lock for people to maintain an interest in as well because it goes onto so long. doesn't just you will slow one day and it's done. you will supplier and it'll fix you for the rest of your life. what was it that led you to think that you wanted to do something to aid whistle blowers, mental health? and how did you that started, what did you focus on? nice the agency and it's not, it's you left experience. what is your lift experience? you have a lot more to bring and serendipity to see. what's a mindfulness training happening? hand in hand ends in south africa, tom, the was no,

me pull health support and my country so they for k is not the beast with a, with that health system guarantee of being without a psychological support for, you know, 6 months. so we have a very big back of the so, and it's also a case of you have to reinvent yourself. you know, you've come out of this corporate suites in an, as i've lived through these years, my peak use the manage face in a work environment. so in any environment, whether it's a corporate setting or just the retail chain, and i would see all of these, anything with a hierarchy structure triggers me and i have no trust in those spaces. so having to reinvent myself, what am i going to do not in the living. and i did start to focus on the main so health because mine was and it was such disarray and it was nice, portia and next we now started reaching out,

luckily online. and i made a contribution to the psycho social impacts was of low retaliation. you know, it was taken care of and martina back that came up last year. and the importance of that is that the, the terminology you see. and so that's because we have rectified the l o 190 and this is a major when because it speaks to and soft and logical patient in the way place in the labels. so because i had very little support yet, and we were low as trying to help most of those. and unfortunately, even in that space, i experienced shame and bullying and ostracized ration as well. and that was a mess up for me because it was the what's of low stakes of doing it to each other, but we didn't know any data at the top. so as i said,

this being very serendipitous. i've lead to lots of mates, phenomenal connections in the space, and i'm from a full now as well. so i've been working on the students and i understand the narcissism behind this top of leadership. and you know, with south africa and the, the labels of corruption. we have and also i will supply those. we are called to to and a lot of them austin, kill so high managing your mental health a trying to sustain and keep yourself moving forward. is key involved because it's not only you, it's going to affect your family, it's going to affect every aspect of the law. so these a lot that we can offer, you know, and, and also shifting into the space. i'm hoping that and i can make a difference. yeah. as others have made for me. doing bellamy, thank you so much for speaking with us. we have

a lot more coming up in this conversation. june. bellamy is a south african corporate whistleblower, and activist. and we're going to discuss how she got out of for depression from the isolation of whistle blowing right after the break stating. 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best. most all sun set up the, in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck, keeping our video agency roughly, all the band on youtube tv services for the question, did you say even twist, which is the asia, tends to speak for a cuz we, we tend, we are free to do whatever is in the interest of agent. so with that, i believe with the, with the nice of but not if it's a non issue for us news

. the welcome back to the list of lawyers. i'm john to reaku. we're speaking with south african corporate whistleblower and activist june bellamy. good to have you with us june. thanks again for being here. thanks for having me, john. as we were talking in the 1st segment about your reaction, your response to the fallout from your whistle blowing. take us back to that period . you're depressed, you're isolated, you're broke. how did you break out of that? how did you decide to do something for other whistle blowers? well, i'll tell you that you've done a minute out of the diggs. i used to be 2 weeks ago. i had this here from the cold chair, and he took the last of my belongings that they need to know the fridge. and so the struggle is real. but to answer your question and the, the breaking out of it is, it is a combination of what can you manage on the day and,

and who else is at the going to the same same, reaching out. and if there's one thing i know to be truly lost is that when you help others, it helps you so in this service and offering assistance to others. i've also been fueled a lot by that. and so one of the things i did actually was i started stokes, etc. and house it. and because i don't have a piece of my own and even the ducks, let's see the dogs for you so much during these. nothing the but joy, such as all these different areas of change and shift that i've tried to incorporate into the last and the like. i said the service to others was, was a very big component of this. and that's what shifted leading to the space of naturally trying to make it better for those who come off dress because we have

a long way to go. and we also sleepy too, and we are, i can i speaking to a student in our diesel changes as well? we have some really strong civil society groups here. and the 1st draw up, they propose changes to i just nice to be in a particular flows has just come out and i have the comment. so that's we will take some time, you know, because these not income coming in. but i will put into that because you know, if it will help somebody else and hopefully they don't have to go through what you've gone through. and if they do, in some ways, it's been a full that you would lied yourself with whistleblowers, who k and with whistle blowers of america. tell us about the work that you did with those 2 groups and the benefits for south african whistle blowers or so i'd say and what's the mary to and what's my 1st point of contact and she get,

he asked me to gina, profitable and days. so you try has just recently been going through the parliamentary system in reading, in changing most of the rules. the and these are very strong robust, and case for having a completely separate at all, but some, and so to speak, remain each of these cases. so it doesn't go to the legal system because the legal system takes too long. and as we all know, as one of my high stakes the business, you take somebody like samsung. they can just start billions edits and keep use of price for as long as they want. so the key area in this is that it's brought to different countries together. and we have a lot of collaboration happening now between us so that because u. k. and we also bringing in very, very of at various other countries as canada is also, you know, coming into the conversations. and as it relates to you, you look, you know,

what is working, what isn't working, what needs to change, and you get to throw these ideas around and those that, oh i, here's a cruise and say look, we've tried this, it doesn't work. it's rather go down the street, x, y, and z. so, in the collaboration again, what it's very important as well is it gives you voice. it gives you voice that you being heard. it's, you know, making it different speakers. the more that we have a voice is we are a recess. fuel gives us energy to carry on what she needs and very difficult, very long periods of time in making the slow changes. so i think the big plus the big thing to remember. yeah. is that, you know, we're another line and if you reach out across the board is these are, you will meet and you will become connected with people who have the same goal is

you and very last the street. that's we, i st. cloud numbers for them. it's no longer just, you know, june, there will be inside africa taking on the speak the he this, you know, i mean phenomenal people and across the globe and they will support g. so, you know, you know, the learning this. i'm interested also in the educational courses that you've developed regarding whistle blowing. what do you cover in this course and to whom is it targeted? have you seen results from it? a say m b is not a specific cause to say, so just to clarify some awful mix with those courses. they are based on the works of done cabinets in which is the space detection resilience pain. so that is all, you know, the formats it's cost is what i bring into the, into the components is a lot of stuff compassion. this all compassion components is key because when

you're in situations like this, the can be another 2nd case. so the voice in your head must be very strong and compassionate and pro you so it's literally like having your own cheerleader in your own heat, you know, giving you the support that you need to carry on. because there's a lot of nice says in this environment. and the course is that the looking to do now because of the book. and because we can apply for cpd and continue practice points. we can ass stopped educating electricity, any boss or to any academia, any business who has glass and h, or any company policies in place. and we can specifically start teaching in a bass the bullying language about the what's of low retaliation? are you doing this?

are you not doing it or you even the way that your company is or is not supporting? so successful in writing, not the courses at the moment, these very few companies. that's a well the, you know, well come the honesty and the truth of how to beta protect both of those and might be a take books exercise on the side. so writing not courses at the moment. he's being geared towards an education on the legal side, the psychology side like a saying human resources leadership and anybody that yeah, anybody that's well for the institution with any continue practice points as this topples curriculum around this list of names. pedagogy should be coming to familiar . yeah. with what it is, is we, i mean, to teach you, give it a peer support at the june bellamy. thank you so much for joining us and for

helping to shine a light on what it is that most whistle blowers go through. and thank you to our viewers for being with us. japanese writer novelist and s a is how deep were coming . once said, quotes, when you come out of a storm, you won't be the same person that walked in. that's what the storm is all about, and quote, these rights. and that is what leads to the strength necessary to speak truth to power. just like june, bellamy did. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, [000:00:00;00]

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