[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the world is a part of the 21st century is widely believed to be about the rise of china, the continental whose name comes from a greek warrants meaning to rise. but despite being called the land of the rising

sun, asia as no one lands, in fact, it's the biggest, the most dispersed of all continents, with many lands wanting to shine and grow. is it possible to rise unless rise hall to discuss it? i'm now joined by doctor porn. try leave us on the secretary general of the asian corporation dialogue doctor born child. it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to say a few words about the a cd. now your organization, the, a city was created some 20 years ago with a goal of facilitating communication on the corporation across the whole of asia. and the task seems pretty straightforward with one we look down, it must be pretty challenging because asia is such a diverse continent. it spends all the way from brush as far as where we are right now, down to the giants of india in china, across the islands. nations of the pacific and indian ocean and all the way to the

gulf, those, this is in the mountains diversity. i wonder if there is anything in common among all those asian lands of cost. this is perhaps the beauty of asia, and perhaps this is the reason why we need to have this bottom. this part of it is like a platform for asian countries to discuss or deal with issues in asia. so that we can have our common understanding this, this of, uh, the reason why we need this platform. you talk about, i'll come and do you know, mean a test or something. yes, of course. so we have our common understanding. and of course, the political will to work together and, and at the initiative of the kingdom of thailand, in 2002, this forum was established. mm hm. now it was the established thanks to the talent

initiative, but it's now headquarters in kuwait on. yes, we are recording this conversation on the sidelines on for many of us know comic form. and i think for the 1st time in many years, we have a very large delegation from the arab countries, which is a very interesting and very unusual every score as the russians agent that they mention. i wonder if the golf culture, the gulf mentality, the gulf and diplomatic style as anything particular to the work of your organization. in fact, i don't think it's only about uh, seattle countries, but also a regional or some regional. uh uh, uh, block thing in asia have already be fulfill the this uh, kind of uh, activities to make it, uh, realistic. because uh you asked me about, uh, how do i uh,

diplomacy out up in tallahassee. i think uh the, the, uh, a pool, a peaceful coexistence, a peaceful solution. and in order to upgrade to get there. uh, that is something uh, supplement and compliment the, the ac the which uh, also a co principals of informal dialogue as well. and terry sim and also chad commitments to cooperating with the one man up there. so that is how we can work together and also cooperate with one another. and that's the beauty you mentioned this sort of strive to. it was a peaceful solutions and i don't think there is a single country in the world, that's what they argue against peaceful solutions. but the way they go about it is very different. the last time i took asia had 48 countries,

not all of them. by the way, i'm members of your organization, but many and those cultures, those nations have sometimes longstanding grievances i wonder how do they go practically about piece, making them more specifically about neutrality? because i think this concept of neutrality is changing recently, especially in the light of well uh, the trend in the west to take sides of pressure other countries to take sides. well, you're right in the sense that uh, your political landscape or of political architecture has changed rapidly. not only in asia, but every corner of the world. you asked me how we have. uh, i would say uh so why is this spa, i'm fox, and if this is well, that's right. uh,

starting from uh, 18 members at the beginning. uh, there are 35 uh at the moment. so it is quite an achievement for us. problem 718235. at the out. the is about come monday. know be native. meaning that we uh, work on something off the lease. uh, uh, control this the uh, for example, we have uh, 6 areas of cooperation. connectivity, uh, education, science and technology. uh, culture and to assume that is the keys, the in the interest of photo. so we, we can work with a, such a areas of cooperation with no hesitation. all right, i heard you say at one conference that dialogue and project based activity drive cooperation forward and allows that corporation not to be politicized. can you speak more specifically about that? why is that?

from what i understand, this is actually a technical framework that allows certain results to be achieved. hm. that is true because, 1st of all, we do not want to be politicized. and why don't you want to be politicized? because uh in fact uh at least we cannot deny that politics out. always at the back of all of my, uh, every uh, every uh, uh, photo. uh that the attendant, uh, more or less would uh, talk something about politics. but that, so if the uh, look back, got a uh, a cd. it's about on the political platform. so we can discuss some think of come with the new movie to have as i guess, explain to you. that is why we would rather not talk about politics at all,

because if one say something about refugees, office would say about boundaries and so on and so forth. so it wouldn't, it's going to be unless, and the, it's not, it's not going to be uh, productive for each year. that is why we need these, these for them. i think in the past politics and governance, we're sort of as related concepts. do understand you correctly, that's the organization, primarily focuses on governance, how to deliver governance rather than engaging in politics. and we cannot do away with this confidence in any way with or internationally or domestically. but we're not going to discuss so much about that because we would rather leave it to the uh, domestic uh, requirements or national policy of each country color than to uh, make it out loud at the international uh for them like the ac d. mm hm. now you are speaking very diplomatic man. i know you have

a very long resume that they is telling diplomatic service. in fact, your worst for a number of years with the association of south east asian nations. and this organization finds itself in the rather challenging position, right? now, and, you know, in the so called a sense, spirit is under some pressure, this a consensus gears approach it. they're finding, it's hard to realize. i just came back from there. some of them they're talking openly about that. because the great power arrival of race, pushing them in different directions, is that also the case with your organization and how have you been able to with sound the pressure of what, what else to call you? surely it's about consensus, open sense of building because uh we, uh,

i happened to come from a country in, in southeast asia. so i, i know a little bit about the consensus building consensus of building is one that we developed into confidence buildings. and that would be something to sustain our future as long as everyone has one voice. but that wise will definitely be heard that is that the is the crux of the issue oftentimes stuff . so uh with that, uh, i think this is another uh, perhaps photocopy of the beauty of the cd. you might have consensus and this is such, um, a difficult concept to comprehend because many organizations, for example, the european union is also supposedly based on consensus. but, you know, there are many different ways to go about it and sometimes a consensus consensus is confused for uniformity. and uh, what are some of the ways of actually ensuring authentic consensus? the one that's bill preserved and goodwill on the country and preserve the spirit

of cooperation and wanting to engage and go forward together despite all the challenges that the nations may have. well, in fact you'll speak with very little couldn't see about consensus already. because even though i see it in for one has been familiar with consensus even before. um, uh, the cold war. but uh after that uh at the you in now we oh uh, over the or nearly all the resolutions have not get the football with the in principle unless and then to uh on some exceptional cases. because members prefer a consensus. so this is something that requires political will at the very beginning. so if you asked me whether we can differentiate between the authentic or the month, but then think i, i would say, if political will,

is that why not? whether it's a will, that is a way interesting. now another organization with which your work and the sacs is brakes. and if the recently made the decision to include 6 new members and like the a cd breaks is also a loosely structures, consensus based group, which doesn't do mind uniformity from us members. and i wonder why do you think such a form of blues for my concerns is based and would, will based former is gaming. so seemingly gaining popularity in this day and age because many organizations are sort of moving towards that. uh, 2 things. one is, uh, the need for multi electrolysis that the, uh, uh, f co for, especially uh nowadays. but the multilateralism can be in any form with

uh, in the uh, in the national organization or not like 6 or 8 pick up the ac. the uh, the alpha is that, uh we have our mcafee so uh, for example, for example, we are going to have a municipal real meeting in new york on the site line. saul ewing the this month. uh, followed by uh, the 3rd somebody. uh, next month, the car. so uh these uh, the mechanic systems of the ac, the sofa office and solomons, and out the working groups and the ac. the blueprint? 20. 21 to 2013. uh so when uh online please. that would be, uh, another way to promote corporation. and of course, the mutual understanding well, mutual understanding requires also mutual knowledge. how well do you think your

members know one another because i have to tell you that even here in russia, um we, we, we do not understand all the variety that the organization agents, all right. and that the organization represents because it is a loosely spoke to the organization or informally nature that would help uh, uh, create uh at most via of, uh, friendship, conducive to uh, payment that's, that's how i'm coming from. okay. and dr. ford tire, we have to take

a very short break right now, but we will give back in just a few moments state and the the, the the we are in the darkest, on one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse regions on the entire planet.

as you make your way through the start, you will discover each region is known for its own unique arts and traditions. the and virtue is the 4th best friendship, identity of us on the secretary general of the asians corporation dialogue. now that's important to you. i know you are a former diplomat diplomat as user the e s 2 political or sensitive questions, but here you are in russia and russia currently finds itself in a while and in proxy war with the west. uh that effects i think pretty much the, the entire low, but i wonder what effect it has on specifically your organization or on asian.

in fact, i would rather not talk about politics, but only a few words, as you mentioned, a sofa sofa within the city, especially in case of uh, russia, which has been uh, meant uh with us since uh, 2005. uh, especially, yeah, has been very active in this forum and of course with good relationship with the office including history and that prevails. so uh, i believe, uh, they are doing fine. mm hm. now russia has long been a europe center, the nation both politically and culturally on its own people to asia is relatively recent and historic terms. i think it began in 2005, 2006 when a joint uh your organization. um, how would you describe a rush uh, from mine asian vantage point?

what is distinct about the russia as an asian nation rather than european nations? and not only that, russia has some, uh, parts of the country uh, in asia, but also uh the policy. and also with this implement, uh, not only of the gulf and, but also uh people, uh, this is uh, as far as i'm concerned. so uh, with that, i think this is the see if uh, the pitfall mode or the, or the effect to that we, we need to rush, you have to be to be with us. now i know that the worth asia originated in ancient greece and its 1st recorded use is attributed to had a notice who reportedly used it in reference to an a totally or the person. i am part in contrast degrees. so a asia originated as something other than the west, and i think historically for many decades, if not centuries, there was a distinct western africa to westernize asia. do you think asian needs to be

westernized? well, as 630 general, i cannot speak for, for any country in particular, but in the overall perspective. and as far as i'm concerned, i could say that is asia and can speak for asia. we can, we are free to do whatever is in the interests of asia. so with that, uh, i believe with the, with the nice of but not. and if it's a non issue for us now, jo gressick was speaking, asia has both the highest and the lowest points on the surface of the earth is also has the broadest variety of vegetation, any my life and human, a deputation, human culture, which could be a major treasure, but it also could be a major curse because you know,

it creates conflict. they've created competition. i wonder what stands in, in the way of the asians using these diversity to the full extent to make sure that they benefit from their centers rather than still being divided by the old historical governments as well. um aisha is part of the international community. uh, we are trying to be cooperative, for example, in the context of s, c. t's. however, many of us are still developing a least developed countries. so we need, uh, not only technology, but also uh, financial assistance from the national organizations from donor countries, from a f e social. it's a fund in order to help our self and to be adaptive, especially in terms of climate change and to comply with the competitors agreement

. you mentioned climate change and the easy is also subject to the world's wildest claim medic, extremes the content. it's the confidence where natural climate is felt most acutely and nature, as we know, doesn't usually recognize national borders, nor does have give advanced warnings. have you seen any difference in how your member states approach natural disasters or global climate is especially in the aftermath of they covered 19 so i just came back from the pope and i, i saw that the places of a melting. so that's, of course, part of the type of change of what i'm trying to say is that we are planning to be responsible, really not only uh, any particular country, but uh, asia as a whole. uh,

this is what i have with this uh sofa and uh how to do that is one thing. but the uh, conceptually we would rather be responsible and also uh, qualify for that duty to cooperate, to cooperate uh with uh, what, not the, not only within aisha but also elsewhere to address the company concerns the come on the, on the global issues. if i can take him back a little while to they called at 910 sundown me for many a international organizations. it was very challenging time. and at that time, communication, it was a soft spring at most the international for what was it like for you and your organization at that time, do you think you have contributed efficiently to that crisis?

yes, because of when we adopted the declaration, we called upon the members to organize meetings of public health ministries in order to address infectious diseases including the depend they make and also uh go with 19 for one uh at the new york meeting. we are supposed to go, i'm not a declaration though, but a declaration which i to change the clause in the very same direction. so with that, i could say that we have our firm commitment to expressing infectious diseases. and also the basic uh, do you mean addressing them in for a chronic way or in a practical way? because i mean, and the midst of depend demik and they were all the, all the declarations were already on the table and signed. but when it came to practical implementation,

that's where the major problem was in my view, it has to be practical. of course, not only in the bureaucratic way, as you mentioned, not only about uh, the meetings of the public health ministries or related agencies, but also with the stakeholders like the private sector, which would contribute very much, not only in terms of financial assistance, but also uh technology, i know how and uh we, we have uh our real pinch roofing which, which uh, talk about uh, the alternative medicine, like, uh, uh, traditional medicine or hook the boat medicine. oh, which would be something that people could have easily access

to and not so costly for that. so uh if we talk about uh, just having the fad accessible uh, medicine, perhaps this one that you have a catch up on. interesting. and you mentioned traditional medicine and it just occurred to me that many members of the a, c, d would consider themselves as countries were. spirituality is still very much alive now. sure. there are lots of religious and spiritual diversity within asia. but from my experience with many of this countries, they believe that humanity and despite all those differences is one family. i wonder if that spiritual dimension is helping your consensus building initiatives in any way. oh, definitely. because uh, take a rush, you know, for one, uh,

do you have uh, what you call button. yeah. uh, treatment. and also how many? uh, uh, medicine as well. so uh, why not uh, happy part of, of the treatment for people to be accessible and thailand for one of the country where i came from has been promoting medical tourism. so its not only about uh, medical treatment, but all hospitalisation, but also uh to do some that, that we can promote at the same time and it's very lucrative. so makes money and also for most of the culture promotes the traditional way as right. so yeah, yeah. one other question i want to ask you is about food and water security because uh you spoke about and being one of the pillars of the ac, the framework. it requires uh, not only a recognition of national interest, but a somewhat expanded understanding of uh, you know,

what is what it is like to be human or what a, what is life to belong to human family. uh, do you think you remember, stays a fully practice what they preach when it comes to not only minding that own solver and interest, but also making sure that they rise and let's rise or they survive and let others survive to it. is that the energy food and water secures the inter relationships and perhaps the kinds of boundary in nature of when we talk about funds boundary issues. uh it being step uh, not only one country may act alone, but it calls for international cooperation of i'm the international law i cannot tell, but recall that duty to cooperate. so if you asked me with a members serious about that, yes, they are not,

not because it affect themselves or in that interest, but also they have that duty to cooperate in order to, to resolve it all in one and at the same time. and indeed at all levels. well, that's important. i ever have to leave it there. thank you very much for time. thank you. and thank you for watching hope to hear again. on walter part of

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