as a part of the 21st century is widely believed to be about the rise of china, the continental whose name comes from a greek warranty, meaning to rise. but despite being called the land of the rising sun, asia as no one lands, in fact, it's the biggest, the most dispersed of all continents, with many lands wanting to shine and grow. is it possible to rise unless rise while to discuss it? i'm now joined by doctor for and try it. then leave us on the secretary general of the asian cooperation dialogue doctor born child. it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you. very much for giving me an opportunity to say a few words about the a cd. now your organization, the a cd was created some 20 years ago as with the goal of facilitating communication on the corporation across the whole of asia. and the task seems pretty straightforward. but the one we love, deep down is supposed to be pretty challenging because asia is such a diverse content and it stands all the way from brush as far as where we are right

now. down to the giants of india in china, across the islands, nations of the pacific, an indian ocean, and all the way to the gulf, those that this is in the mountains diversity. i wonder if there is anything in common among all those asian lands. of course, this is perhaps the beauty of asia, and perhaps this is the reason why we need to have this bottom. this part of it is like a set fob for asian countries to discuss or deal with issues in asia. so that we can have our common understanding this, this uh uh, the reason why we need this platform. you talk about, i'll come and do you know, mean a test or something. yes, of course. so we have our common understanding. and of course, the political will to work together and, and at the initiative of the king of island in 2002,

this forum was established and now it was established thanks to the talent initiative, but it's now headquarters in kuwait on yes, we are recording this conversation on the sidelines over 5 ladiva still working on the corman, i think for the 1st time and many years, we have a very large delegation from the error of countries, which is a very interesting and very unusual it before us the russians agent than the mention i wonder if the golf culture of the gulf mentality, the gulf and diplomatic style as anything particular to the work of your organization. in fact, i don't think it's only about uh, seattle countries, but also a regional or some regional. uh, uh, uh, blocks in, in asia have already the, uh, full through the, this uh, kind of, uh, activities to make it, uh,

realistic. because uh you asked me about uh, how do i uh, diplomacy out up in tallahassee. i think uh they, they, uh, pull a peaceful coexistence, a peaceful solution. and in order to upgrade to get there. uh that is something uh, supplement and compliment the the a cd which uh also a co principals of informal dialogue uh well and terry sim and also chat commitments to cooperating with one of the. so that is how we kind of, uh, uh, work together and also cooperate with one. they're not gonna invest speeding. and you mentioned this sort of strive towards a peaceful solutions. and i don't think there is

a single country in the world. that's what they argue against peaceful solutions, but the way they go about it is very different. the last time i took asia had 48 countries, not all of them, by the way, a members of your organization, but many and those cultures, those nations have um, sometimes um, long standing grievances, i wonder how do they go practically about piece, making them more specifically about neutrality because i think this concept of neutrality is changing recently, especially in the light of well. 5 the trend in the west to take sides of pressure, other countries to take sides. well, you're right in the sense that your political landscape or of political architecture has changed rapidly. not only in asia, but every corner of the world. you asked me how we have. uh, i would say, uh so why is this bar and fox and the best right. uh,

starting from uh, 18 members at the beginning. uh, there are 35 uh at the moment. so it is quite an achievement for us. probably 7, uh $18.00 to $35.00 and the other is about come monday. no be native. uh meetings that we work on something off the lease. uh, uh, control the fee. uh, for example, we have uh, 6 areas of cooperation, connectivity, education, science and technology culture and to assume that is the keys, the in the interest of all. so we, we can work with a such a areas of cooperation with no hesitation. all right. i heard you say it's one conference that dialogue and project based activity dr. corporation forward and

allows that corporation not to be politicized. can you speak more specifically about that? why is that? from what i understand, this is actually a technical framework that allows certain results to be achieved. that is true because 1st of all, we do not want to be fully to size. and why don't you want to be politicized? because uh in fact, uh we cannot deny that politics out. always at the back of all of my, uh, every uh, every uh, uh, photo. uh that the attendant, uh more or less would uh, talk something about politics. but so if the uh, look back, got a uh, a cd. it's about on the political platform. so we can discuss some think of come with the new movie to have as i guess, explain to you. that is why we would rather not talk about politics at all,

because if one say something about refugees, office would say about boundaries and so on and so forth. so it wouldn't, it's going to be unless, and the, it's not, it's not going to be uh, productive for each year. that is why we need these, these for them. i think in the past politics and governance were sort of as related concepts. do i understand you correctly? that's the organization, primarily focuses on governance, how to deliver governance rather than engaging and politics. and we cannot do away with this confidence in any way with or internationally or domestically. but we're not going to discuss so much about that because we would rather leave it to the domestic requirements or

a national policy of each country. kind of then to make it out loud at the international uh for them like the ac d. mm hm. now you're speaking very diplomatic man, i know you have a very long resume with the talent diplomatic service. in fact, you worked for a number of years with the association of south east asian nations. and this organization finds itself in there from the challenging position right now. and uh, you know, in the so called a sense spirit is under some pressure, this a consensus gears approach it. they're finding, it's hard to realize. i just came back from there, some of them they're talking openly about that because the great power rivalry is pushing them in different directions. is that also the case with the organization and how have you been able to with found that pressure of what, what else to call you? sure. it's about consensus. open sense of building because so we, uh,

i happened to come from a country in, in southeast asia. so i, i know a little bit about the consensus building consensus of building is one that would develop into confidence buildings. and that would be something to sustain our future as long as everyone has one voice. but that wise will definitely be heard that is that these, the crux of the issue oftentimes of so uh with that uh, i think this is another uh, perhaps photocopy of the beauty of the cd. you might have consensus and this is such um, a difficult concept to comprehend because many organizations, for example, the european union is also supposedly based on consensus because, you know, there are many different ways to go about it. and sometimes consensus, a consensus is confused for uniformity. uh,

what are some of the ways of actually ensuring authentic consensus? the one that will preserve the goodwill on the country and preserve the spirit of cooperation and wanting to engage and go forward together despite all the challenges that the nations may have. well, in fact, you'll speak with a very low couldn't see about consensus already. because even though i see in for one has been familiar with consensus even before uh, the cold war. but uh after that uh at the u. n. o we oh uh, over a near or nearly all the resolutions have not completed the football with the in principle unless and them to uh, on the some exceptional cases. because members prefer a consensus. so this is something that requires political will at

the very beginning. so if you asked me whether we can differentiate between the authentic cause month, but then think i, i would say if political will, is that why not? whether it's a will, that is a way, hm. interesting now, and other organizations with reach your work. and so start is brakes, and if the recently made the decision to include 6 new members and like the a cd breaks is also a loosely structures, consensus based group, which doesn't do mind uniformity from its members. and i wonder why do you think such a form of lose for my concerns is based and would, will based former is gaming. so seemingly gaining popularity in this day and age because many organizations are sort of moving towards that. uh, 2 things. one is uh, the need for multi electrolysis that we, uh, uh, pass code for, especially uh,

nowadays. but the multilateralism can be in any form with uh, in the uh, in the national organization or not like 6 or a pick up. uh the, the uh, the alpha is that uh we have, our mckenzie said, uh, for example, for example. uh, we are going to have a municipal real meeting in new york on the side line. so you in the this month? uh, followed by uh, the 3rd somebody. uh next month the car. so uh, these uh, the mechanic systems of the ac, the sofa office and psalms and out the working groups and their ac. the blueprint? 20. 21 to 2030. uh so when uh, all i in place that would be, uh, i'm not the way to promote cooperation. and of course, a mutual understanding with mutual understanding requires also mutual knowledge.

how well do you think your members know one another because i have to tell you that even here in russia, we do not understand all the variety that the organization agents are i to that the organization represents. because it is a loosely spoke to the organization or informally nature that would help uh, uh, create uh at most via of friendship conducive to treatment that's. that's how i'm coming from. okay, dr. ford tire, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments state and the

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the and virtue is the 4th best friendship, identity of us on the secretary general of the asians corporation dialogue. now uh, docs important try. i know you are a former diplomat diplomat as user though e. s 2 political or sensitive questions, but here you are in russia and russia currently finds itself in a while and in proxy war with the west. uh the effects i think pretty much the, the entire low, but i wonder what effect it has on specifically your organization or on asian. um in fact, i would rather not talk about politics, but uh, only a few words. uh,

as you mentioned, uh so far so good within the city, especially in case of uh, russia which has been a member with us since 2005. uh especially. yeah, has been very active in this forum. and of course, with boot, the relationship with the office, including history and that prevails. so uh, i believe, uh they are doing fine. now russia has long been a europe center, the nation both politically and culturally on its own people to asia is relatively recent and historic terms, i think, and began in 2005, 2006 when a joint, your organization, how would you describe russia from mine asian vantage point, what is this thinks about the russia as an asian nation rather than european nation?

not only that, russia has some, uh, parts of the country in asia, but also uh the policy. and also the sentiment. uh, not only of the gulf and, but also uh people, uh, this is uh, as far as i'm concerned. so uh with that, i think this is the see if uh, the pitfalls of the, of the effect to that we, we need to rush. you have to be to be with us. now i know that the worst asia originated in age of greece and its 1st recorded use is attributed to had a notice who reportedly used it in reference to an, a totally or the person that part. in contrast degrees, so a asia originated as something other than the west, and i think historically for many decades, if not centuries, there was a distinct western africa to westernize asia. do you think asian needs to be

westernized? well, as 630 general, i cannot speak for, for any country in particular, but in the overall perspective. and as far as i'm concerned, i could say that the is aisha and can speak for a can. we can, we are free to do whatever is in the interest of asia. so with that, i believe with the, with the nice of but not. and if it's a non issue for us now, jo gressick was speaking, asia has both the highest and the lowest points on the surface of the earth is also has the broadest variety of vegetation, any my life and human, a deputation, human culture, which could be a major treasure, but it also could be a major curse because you know, it's crazy conflict. they've created competition. i wonder what stands in,

in the way of the asians using these diversity to the full extent to make sure that they benefit from the center address rather than still being divided by the old historical governments as well. um asia is part of the international community. uh, we try to be cooperative uh, for example, in the context of s. c. t's. however, many of us are still developing a least developed countries. so we need, uh, not only technology, but also uh, financial assistance from the national organizations from donor countries, from these sources of funds in order to help our self and to be adaptive, especially in terms of climate change and to comply with the competitors agreement

. you mentioned climate change and the easy is also subject to the world's wildest climatic extremes, the content, it's the content and for natural calamities felt most acutely and nature, as we know doesn't usually recognize national borders, nor does it give advanced warnings. have you seen any difference in how your member states approach natural disasters or global climate is especially in the aftermath of they covered 19 so i just came back from the pope and i saw it that the places of american so that's of course part of the type of change of what i'm trying to say is that we are playing to be responsible, really not only 80 particular country, but asia as a whole. uh, this is what i have with this uh sofa and uh how to do that is one thing. but

the uh, conceptually we would rather be uh, responsible and also uh, call for the duty to cooperate, to cooperate uh with uh, what, not the, not only the neisha, but also elsewhere to address the common concerns. the come on the, on the global issues. if i can take him back a little while to the cold at 910 sundown me for many, a international organizations, it was very challenging time. and at that time, communication there was a suffering at most the international for what was it like for you and your organization at that time, do you think you have contributed efficiently to that crisis? yes, because of when we adopted the declaration, we called upon the members to organize meetings of public health

ministries in order to address infectious diseases including the depend they make and also uh go with 19 for one uh at the new york meeting. we are supposed to adopt a not a declaration though, but a declaration which i to change the clause in the very same direction. so with that, i could say that we have our firm commitment to expressing infectious diseases. and also the basic uh, do you mean addressing them in for a chronic way or in a practical way? because i mean, and the midst of dependent me because they were all the, all the declarations were already on the table and signed. but when it came to practical implementation, that's where the major problem was in my view,

it has to be practical, of course, not only in a bureaucratic way, as you mentioned, not only about uh, the meetings of the public health ministries or related agencies, but also with the stakeholders like the private sector, which would come to be very much, not only in terms of financial assistance, but also uh, technology and know how and uh we, we have uh, our blue pinch, real pin, which, which uh, talk about. uh, the alternative medicine like uh, uh, traditional medicine or hook the boat medicine. uh which would uh be something that people could have easily access to and not so costly for that. so uh, if we talk about uh,

just kind of fad accessible, uh, medicine, perhaps this one that you have a catch up on. interesting, and you mentioned traditional medicine and it just occurred to me that many members of the a, c, d would consider themselves as countries where spirituality is still very much alive. now. sure, there are lots of religious and spiritual diversity within asian, but from my experience, with many of this countries, they believe that humanity. and despite all those differences is one family. i wonder if that spiritual dimension is helping your consensus building initiatives in any way. oh, definitely because uh, take a rush, you know, for one uh, do you have uh, what you call button. yeah. uh, treatment. and also how many? uh, uh, medicine as well. so uh, why not uh, happy part of,

of the treatment for people to be accessible. and thailand for one, the country where i came from has been promoting medical tourism. so its not only about uh, medical treatment, but all hospitalisation, but also uh 20 some that, that we can promote at the same time. and it's very lucrative. so makes money and also promotes the culture, promotes the traditional way as right. so yeah, yeah. one other question i want to ask you is about food and water security because you spoke about him being one of the pillars of the ac. the framework is requires not only a recognition of national interest, but a somewhat expanded understanding of uh, you know, what is what it is life to be human or what it,

what is life to belong to human family. do you think you remember, stays a fully practice what they preach when it comes to not only minding that own a silverman interest, but also making sure that they rise and let's rise or they survive and let others survive to it? is that the energy, food and water security inter relationships, and perhaps the kinds of boundary in nature. when we talk about funds boundary issues, it means that not only one country may act alone, but it calls for international cooperation of i'm the international law. i cannot tell, but because the duty to cooperate. so if you asked me with a members serious about that, yes, they are not, not because it affect themselves or in that interest,

but also they have that duty to cooperate in order to, to resolve it all in one and at the same time. and indeed, at all levels. well, that's important. i ever have to leave it there. thank you very much for time. thank you. and thank you for watching hope to hear again on walter part of the the, [000:00:00;00]

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