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the voltage was a part of the 21st century is widely believed to be about the rise of china, the continental whose name comes from a greek warranty, meaning to rise. but despite being called the land of the rising sun, asia, as no one lands inside its the biggest, the most dispersed of all continents with many lives wanting to shine and grow. is it possible to rise unless rise? well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by doctor for and try it. then leave us on the secretary general of the asian cooperation dialogue doctor born child. it's great to talk to thank you

very much for your time. thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to say a few words about the a cd. now your organization, the, a city was created some 20 years ago as with a goal of facilitating communication on a corporation across the whole of asia. and the task seems pretty straightforward with one of the low down. it must be pretty challenging because asia is such a diverse continent. it spends all the way from brush as far as where we are right now, down to the giants of india in china, across the islands, nations of the pacific, an indian ocean, and all the way to the gulf. those that this is in the mountains diversity. i wonder if there is anything in common among all those asian lands. of course, this is perhaps the beauty of asia, and perhaps this is the reason why we need to have this bottom. this part of it is for like

a set solve for ation countries to discuss or deal with issues in asia so that we can have our common understanding this, this uh uh, the reason why we need this platform you talk about, i'll come and nominate this or something, yes, of course. so we have our company, the understanding. and of course the political will to work together. and, and at the initiative of the kingdom of thailand, in 2002, this forum was established. mm hm. now it was to establish thanks to the talent initiative, but it's now headquarters in kuwait on yes, we are recording this conversation on the sidelines over 5 ladiva still working on the corman. i think for the 1st time in many years, we have a very large delegation from the error of countries, which is a very interesting and very unusual it before us the russians asian then they mention, i wonder if the golf culture of the gulf mentality,

the gulf and diplomatic style as anything particular to the work of your organization. in fact, i don't think it's only about uh of the countries, but also a regional or some regional. uh, uh, uh, block, seen in asia have already the food through the this uh kind of uh, activities to make it, uh realistic. because uh you asked me about uh, how about uh, diplomacy out up in tallahassee. i think uh the, the, uh, a pool, a peaceful coexistence, a peaceful solution. and in order to cooperate, to get there. uh, that is something, uh, supplement and compliment the, the a cd which uh,

also a co principals of informal dialogue. uh well, i'm terry sim and also chad commitments to cooperating with one another. so that is how we can work together and also cooperate with one another and that's speedy. you mentioned this sort of strive to, it was a peaceful solutions and i don't think there is a single country in the world that's what the argue against peaceful solutions. but the way they go about it is very different. the last time a tech agent has 48 countries, not all of them, by the way, a members of your organization, but many and those cultures. those nations have sometimes longstanding references. i wonder how do they go practically about piece, making them more specifically about neutrality? because i think this concept of neutrality is changing recently,

especially in the light of well uh, the trend in the west to take sides of pressure other countries to take sides. well, you're right in the sense that uh, your political landscape or little political architecture has changed rapidly. not only in asia, but every corner of the world. you asked me how we have. uh, i would say uh so why is this bar and fox and that is, oh, that's right. uh, starting from uh 18 members at the beginning. uh, there are 35 uh at the moment. so it is quite an achievement for us. probably 7, uh $18.00 to $35.00 and the other is uh about come monday know be native. uh meaning that we uh, work on something of the lease. uh, uh, control the c. uh, for example, we have uh,

6 areas of cooperation. connectivity uh, education, science and technology, uh, culture and to assume that is the keys, the in the interest level. so we, we can work with a such a areas of cooperation with no hesitation. all right. i heard you say at one uh, conference that dialogue and project based activity drive corporation forward and allows that corporation not to be politicized. can you speak more specifically about that? why is that? from what i understand, this is actually a technical framework that allows certain results to be achieved. that is true because, 1st of all, we do not want to be politicized. and why don't you want to be politicized? because uh, the fact of these, they cannot deny that politics. i'll always add the back off of my uh,

if we uh, every, uh, uh, photo. uh, that the attendant, uh, more or less would uh, talk something about politics. but uh, if the uh, look back at a uh, a cd. it's about on a political platform. so we can discuss some think of come with the new movie to have, as i guess, explain to you. that is why we would rather not talk about politics at all, because if one say something about refugees, office would say about boundaries and so on and so forth. so it wouldn't, it's going to be unless, and the, it's not, it's not going to be a productive for each year. that is why we need these, these florida? i think in the past politics and governance, we're start off as related concepts. do i understand you correctly? that's the organization, primarily focuses on governance,

how to deliver governance rather than engaging in politics. and we cannot do away with this confidence in any way with or internationally or domestically. but we're not going to discuss so much about that because we would rather leave it to the uh, domestic uh, requirements or national policy of each country color than to uh, make it out loud at the international uh for them like the ac d. mm hm. now you're speaking very diplomatic man, i know you have a very long resume with the talent diplomatic service. in fact, you worked for a number of years with the association of south east asian nations. and this organization finds itself in uh from the challenging position right now. and uh, you know, in the so called a sense here it is under some pressure this,

a consensus gear is approach it. they're finding it hard to realize i just came back from there. some of them they're talking openly about that. because the great power rivalry is pushing them in different directions, is that also the case with your organization and how have you been able to with sound the pressure of what, what else to call you? surely it's about consensus, open sense of building because so we, uh, i happened to come from a country in, in southeast asia. so i, i know a little bit about the consensus building consensus of building is one that we developed into confidence buildings. and that would be something to sustain our future as long as everyone has one voice. but that wise will definitely be heard that is that the is the crux of the issue of consensus.

so uh with that uh, i think this is another uh, perhaps photocopy of the beauty of the cd. you might have consensus and this is such, um, a difficult concept to comprehend because many organizations, for example, the european union is also supposedly based on consensus. but, you know, there are many different ways to go about it. and sometimes a consensus consensus is confused for uniformity. uh, what are some of the ways of actually ensuring authentic consensus? the one that will preserve the goodwill on the country and preserve the spirit of cooperation and wanting to engage and go forward together despite all the challenges that the nations may have. well, in fact, you'll speak with a very low couldn't see about consensus already. because even though i see and for one has been familiar with consensus even before um, uh,

the cold war. but after that uh at the u. n. o we oh uh, over the or nearly all the resolutions have not yet pleaded. put forward in principle unless and then to uh on the some exceptional cases. because members prefer a consensus. so this is something that requires political will at the very beginning. so if you asked me whether we can differentiate between the authentic cause month, but then think i would say if political will is that why not? whether it's a will, that is a way, hm. interesting now and other organization uh with reach your work and the search is brakes. and if the recently made the decision to explode 6 new members and like the ac, the brakes is also a loosely structures, consensus based group,

which doesn't demand uh, uniformity from its members. and i wonder why do you think such a form of blues for my concerns is based and would, will based former is gaming. so seemingly gaining popularity in this day and age because many organizations are sort of moving towards that. uh, 2 things. one is uh, the need for multi electrolysis that we, uh, uh, pass code for, especially uh nowadays. but the multilateralism can be in any form with uh, in the, uh, in the national organization or not like street or a pick up uh the ac d. uh, the alpha is that uh we have our mcafee so uh for example, for example, uh we are going to have a municipal real meeting in new york on the site line. so you and the this month. uh, followed by uh,

the 3rd somebody. uh next month. the car. so uh these uh, the mechanic systems of the ac. the sofa opposite and psalms and also working groups under uh ac. the roofing? 20. $21.00 to $20.00. 13. uh so when all are in place, that would be uh, another way to promote corporation. and of course, a mutual understanding well, mutual understanding requires also mutual knowledge. how well do you think your members know one another because i have to tell you that even here in russia, um we, we, we do not understand old variety, that the organization agents, all right. and that the organization represents because it is a loosely spoke to the organization or informally nature that would help uh, uh, create uh, most via of, uh, friendship,

conducive to uh, payment that's, that's how i'm coming from. okay. and dr. ford tire, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will give back in just a few moments state and the question, i mean you cleared up, she couldn't do it. most schools do. if you look for them the initial do, while i pull up significantly, percent liability almost getting used to put value when you do the oil change. but

you also still this is done the newest frame on the belief systems to good ludy. what i see these the buses, the little cute little dyson says this to, to have done both of the, [000:00:00;00] the number 2 is the 4th best friendship, identity of us on the secretary general of the asians corporation dialogue. now, that's important to you. i know you are

a former diplomat diplomat fuser though we as to political or sensitive questions, but here you are in russia and russia currently finds itself in a while. and then for oxy were with the west uh the effects i think could much the the entire low. but i wonder what effect it has on specifically your organization or on asian. um, in fact, i would rather not uh, talk about politics, but uh only a few words. uh, as you mentioned. uh so far so cool. within the city, especially in case of, uh, russia which has been uh, a member with us since 2005 uh, specially, yeah, has been very active in this forum. and of course with good relationship with the office including history and

that prevails. so uh, i believe, uh, they are doing fine. mm hm. now russia has long been a europe center, the nation both politically and culturally on its own people to asia is relatively recent and historic terms. i think it began in 2005, 2006 when a joint uh your organization. um, how would you describe a rush uh, from mine asian vantage point? what is distinct about the russia as an asian nation rather than european nations? and not only that, russia has some, uh, parts of the country uh, in asia, but also uh the policy and also the sentiments. uh, not only of the gulf and, but also uh, people, uh, this is uh, as far as i'm concerned. so uh, with that, i think this is the see if uh, the pet fall of the,

or the factor that we need to rush you has to be to be with us. now i know that the worth asia originated in ancient greece and its 1st record if use is attributed to had a notice who reportedly used it in reference to an a totally or the person to impart in contrast degrees. so a asia originated as something other than the west, and i think historically for many decades, if not centuries, there was a distinct western africa to westernize asia. do you think asian needs to be westernized? well, as 630 general, i cannot speak for, for any country in particular, but in the overall perspective. and as far as i'm concerned, i could say that the is asia and can speak for asia. we can, we are free to do whatever is in the interests of asia. so with that, i believe with the width denies of but not. and if it's

a non issue for us now deal gressick was speaking, asia has both the highest and the lowest points on the surface of the earth. it also has the broadest variety of vegetation, any my life and human, a deputation, human culture, which could be a major treasure. but it also could be a major curse because you know, it creates conflict. they've created competition. i wonder what stands in, in the way of the asians using these diversity to the full extent to make sure that they benefit from those centers rather than still being divided by the old historical governments as well. um asia is part of the international community. uh, we are trying to be cooperative for example, in the context of is c t's. however,

many of us still developing a least developed countries. so we need, uh, not only technology, but also uh, financial assistance from the national organizations from donor countries, from a, if he's sources of funds in order to help our self and to be adaptive, especially in terms of climate change and to comply with the competitors agreement you mentioned climate change and the easy is also subject to the world's wildest claim medic, extremes the content. it's the confidence where natural climate is felt most acutely and nature, as we know doesn't usually recognize national borders, no words as of give advanced warnings. have you seen any difference in how your member states approach natural disasters or global climate is especially in the

aftermath of the curve of 19? so i just came back from the pope and i saw it that the places of american. so that's, of course, part of the type of change of what i'm trying to say is that we are planning to be responsible, really not only uh, any particular country, but uh, asia as a whole. uh, this is what i have with this uh, sofa and uh how to do that is one thing. but the uh, conceptually we would rather be uh, responsible and also uh uh for that duty to cooperate, to cooperate uh with one of them after, not only within a year, but also elsewhere to address the company concerns the come on the, on the global issues. if i can take him back

a little while to the corporate 19th and dynamic for many a international organizations, it was very challenging time. and at that time, communication, it was a soft spring at most the international for what was it like for you and your organization. at that time, do you think you have contributed efficiently to that crisis? yes, because of when we adopted the declaration, we called upon the members to organize meetings of public health ministries in order to address infectious diseases including uh the they make and also uh go with 19 for one uh at the new york meeting. we are supposed to adopt a not a declaration though, but a declaration which i to change the clause in the very same

direction. so with that, i could say that we have our firm commitment to expressing infectious diseases. and also the basic uh, do you mean addressing them in for a chronic way or in a practical way? because i'm in the midst of depend demik and they were all the, all the declarations were already on the table and signed. but when it came to practical implementation, that's where the major problem was. uh, in my view it has to be practical, of course, not only in the bureaucratic way, as you mentioned, not only about uh, uh, meetings of the public health ministries or related agencies, but also with the stakeholders like the private sector, which would contribute very much, not only in terms of financial assistance,

but also uh technology. i know how and uh we, we have uh our real page roofing which, which uh, talk about uh, the alternative medicine, like, uh, uh, traditional medicine or hook the boat medicine. oh, which would uh be something that people could have easily access to and not so costly for that. so uh if we talk about a guest and fad accessible uh, medicine perhaps this one that you have a catch up on. interesting. and you mentioned traditional medicine and it just occurred to me that many members of the a, c, d would consider themselves as countries where spirituality is still very much alive. now. sure, there are lots of religious and spiritual diversity within asian,

but from my experience with many of this countries, they believe that she managed to despite all those differences is one family. i wonder if that spiritual dimension is helping your consensus building initiatives in any way. oh, definitely because uh, take a rush, you know, for one uh, do you have uh, what you call button. yeah. uh, treatment. and also how many? uh, uh, medicine as well. so uh, why not uh, happy part of, of the treatment for people to be accessible. and thailand, for one of the country where i came from has been promoting medical tourism. so its not only about uh, medical treatment, but all hospitalized ation. but also uh totally something that, that we can promote at the same time. and it's very lucrative. so it makes money

and also promotes the culture, promotes the traditional way as right. so yeah, yeah. one other question i want to ask you is about food and water security because you spoke about and being one of the pillars of the ac. the framework is requires not only a recognition of national interest, but a somewhat expanded understanding of uh, you know, what is what it is like to be human or what it, what is life to belong to human family. uh, do you think you remember, stays uh, fully practice what they preach when it comes to not only minding that own us over an interest, but also making sure that they rise and let's rise or they survive and let others survive to it. is that the energy,

food and water secure is the inter relationships perhaps the kinds of boundary in nature of when we talk about funds boundary issues. it things that uh, not only one country may act alone, but it calls for international cooperation of i'm the international law. i cannot help but recall that duty to cooperate. so if you asked me with a member of a serious about that, yes, they are not, not because it affect themselves or in that interest, but also they have that duty to cooperate in order to, to resolve it all in one and at the same time and indeed, at all levels. well, that's important. i ever have to leave it there. thank you very much for. thank you, and thank you for watching hope to hear again on walter part of

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