[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered 9 peter level. the web deep involvement in the brain complex suggest ending negotiations are off the table. in fact, only escalation is on the horizon. is nato spoiling for an upright conflict with russia?

it certainly seems so the to discuss these issues and molar. i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's unable award winning, journalist and commentator. and in budapest we have george something while we just use a pod cast. read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen cross up rules that affect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start off with george and in budapest, in this is probably one of the strangest times in this conflict because we, we have of the blankets of the world. and the bed above was with blinking and in care of next year they found an extra $1000000000.00 and the couch under the couch, cushions are really michael miraculously. and then we have this, you know, this kind of bald faced and introduction of, of very hot and sophisticated weaponry. the focus right now is the destruction of the cartridge bridge from the intelligence that the great answer given is being

stepped up there being a very open about it. the whole price is around star, lankin and you on must, was revealed. but then george, at the same time it seems like keep it in the main stream. media is saying, well, we may color offensive isn't meeting expectations, but meeting is goals and all. but i mean there seems to be a real mixture of messages going on out there. go head george. i hear anything. that's a very, very good point. it is a mixture of messages. but the west is where they played a very dangerous game here. um, they've made a calculation that they can escalate and escalate an escalade. cross one red line offer another because as a big a, russia is too afraid to retaliate against us if they were daddy, that gives us an article 5 goes into effect one for all, for one, we have well, well. so they doing things now that a few months ago, they had said they're not going to do that. it'd be too dangerous. so now the u. k

. and france of both the and the due grain such a long range cruise miss size. and then we had this, bruce missed all the types of storm shadow provided by the u. k. on so basketball, um the u. k is making no attempt to conceal its roland this so that you can't knew exactly how these midsize would be used. and now we have the by him and then the station saying that they go just of these a, d, c and most, most sized to your brain. having said like a month like, oh no, no, no, we can't do that's too dangerous to escalate the door. but they gotta be, uh, they gonna send them. and when blinking was lost in uh, in an interview the other day. well, this will be an attack on russian soil. how do you feel about that as a well, we don't really have any say in the math, but you know, it's a, it's a, it's a brain issue. so because this is the complete nonsense, because we know that the united states, as i said,

united states is providing tactical intelligence through your brain. so we're in a position now that's um your brain is being stolen. hey, why don't you just people talking about russian land. i mean, just, you know, keep targeting uh, russian, the mainland, under branches, by and, you know, we've, we've got a blank check up. this is a very dangerous position because you still ultimately have to look at it and say, well, how long as we're actually going to put up with this because of the, your discount, you're going to be great. i'll just set this up in your hands while the you gay the us from say yeah, go around. i heard the but i think the russian mainland so i think it's a good way to getting into an ever more dangerous situation. you have learned and it also is a kind of to tears away. the facade, this has anything to do with you. currently, it doesn't look it's, it's, it's kind of offensive, is utterly failed. it's casualty rates are, are exclaiming, extremely high. but it, and as we talked about last week, we went blank and was in, in,

in can we didn't even talk about the membership able to get it. it's almost kind of incidental right now. and so to george's point here, here, there is a great power that's being attacked out to a proxy. and it is an untenable situation. i, i have to imagine that, um, it will be a concerted effort now to destroy airports, hopefully, your major transportation conduits, which haven't been after what 2021 months now. but they'll have that. and that'll course come cosby of the good way to collapse of the grading economy. so it's, it's a, they're no good option. so the way the west continues to escalate martin, you know, their own. um and uh, i think the judges right the, the escalation game is being played very slowly, but very shortly kicked by click on the rushing, the latest, the type of the storm shudders. this is, is a good example, but i think it's also a good example of how desperate new clients are getting. because this i've always

all get from a job as part of it is very much it media will, which for a long time, the west long as down with it some but it's fake news operation based in calf. um, but i think that's coming to an end. now i think the via credit is a really realizing that look, we need at least 6 months to rebuild, you know, and what do we do? not 6 months? we can't do absolutely nothing. we have to do something, we have to disrupt the media, we have to create an illusion that we're still out there. we're still punching about on weight. and so the long range missiles thing i think is only effective if you can do it every 2 or 3 days or once a week. you know, we haven't seen any repeats of i'm and the thoughts on the crime in a port. well, i mean these chips are sitting ducks, you know, to use the metaphor. it was not a concert, it's a great minute treat victory. but i think that you currently is the americans are beginning to, to wake up and realize that they need to buy time. and the way to do that possibly is with these tactical strikes, how effective that will be. i'm not sure. but i'm not sure i agree with george.

that will was it you? and at the point that we are leading up to a full out escalation of, from publication between will this with will, with russia and the west. what i think is a tactic behind this is to trick the russians into negotiating some sort of formal or informal 6 o'clock and what will happen during that period. and that would not only be a tactical defeat, i'd be a strategic defeat on the part of the russians. george jump in. i agree with you. i think that, um, if russia did that, i think russia would be seen uh to have lost it would have but essentially unsettled for something less then they had a beginning in the end of february, the 24th of 2022. so that would indeed be a degree of rush, but again,

it's quite possible that this is the way they are calculating in nature when that, well, we'll trick the russians into agree. and so this amount, of course, we're going to use the next few years to on the, your brain for more and more money in those. i mean, you know, one of the issue here, i mean what, what, what exactly is the west game of the west is bobus they have. it's due to week of debilitating, russia drain, it of the mind about the drain to restore. so that's obviously they, you know, loyal to us than others. i've said that, that's one of the game. but there's also a lot of money involved. i mean, we, you know, we, nobody raised the, on the, all the, the feet of the big military contractors. i mean, that will making a bundle of money and now we have, you know, all the of those sequoia capital and all the rest of it. so mckenzie. and they're all getting involved in the small business of we're going to rebuild ukraine. so there's a lot of money in there for, you know, they,

they have every intention in the interest in maintaining it and you really aging russia. so there's no incentive on the bottom of the west to bring this to any kind of conclusion. amazing. the longer it goes on, the more it's going to hurt russia, the marketing you want to respond to that. go ahead. yeah. on the west point of view, that stuff's clear um who is a rocket. and there is, as i have written recently, one of my opinion pieces, there was no grace, a racket, new credit was from the west perspective. it will make sense, the dollars or less, and everyone's laughing to the bank on the perspective of the designs together. i'm ukraine. i think a must be starting to panic because you must be start to realize that this coming going forever. you know, he has to keep up appearances. he has to find a young man somehow. if you have to send, send his id is teams as the oldest going into balls and a supermarket, some drug, a young man out by the, by the hell, you know, he's got a lot of problems. i'm. so to recommend is our,

he's in route to washington to be of celebrated in the white house still again. and then up to the round of fundraising, the crowd a show for up on the crowd funding george the they didn't, it is all about the money because once the money dries up, then there's no logic to this whatsoever. no, that's right. but the money isn't going to drive. yeah, that goes to the united states is always binding money, full of ease of inches. i mean, you know, and really isn't a cool 1000000000. and they gotta keep doing this. so that's why what we've got the ac and this massage and i go to a more and we just keep, keep is coming because as a say they want is get to go on with this war. and there is just infinite amount of money for you. bring no money for anything else, so then the pets and the nothing for anything or anyone else. but for your brain they're going to give it that goes alternately. they both think like mitch

mcconnell and the, and the rest of the senate says, which is the, hey, this is the best money we can have. i mean, this is a wonderful investment. you know, is much better than the compared to the saved doing this over the course of 20 years and have them as an after 20 months look at the, the return on investment, not seriously amazing when it comes to somebody, your brain was, you know, that's like going to bank and so you know, and then and winning all the slot machines that once. yeah, yeah, no, that's right. then i mean they, they, they spend 2 trillion i've got it's not, but a lot of people got very rich. i mean, again, americans didn't, but a lot of people doing. so there's again, any way you brain, a lot of people are getting very rich and, and they want to go on getting rich. uh it is just unfortunately, the consequence of this is that your brain is and the russians are dying. they know they're not the, they're not getting rich, but that some americans and that's, that's a cash cow. and then honestly have no intention of stopping my gas. go 18 of of the

cash codes. i thought it was quite interesting that as a landscape said, well, we might have elections, but i need 5000000000 for it. okay. i mean, pretty good. good. good martin. that does room, but i mean, he's really bracing. oh my god. well you know it's all about democracy and that's, that's obviously, but give me 5 bill. maybe we'll have maybe ahead of you is a, is it used to be going to be a little bit nervous when he looks at his friend the bottom who just this week? you know, the old story was bon bonded about on the fringes of the web and a few, not a geometrical, gentler, such as myself of bite and taking bribes when he was a vice president and ukraine. there's no mainstream now. we can't ignore this anymore. the s b are investigated yet, and binds bitten and paste on the basis of it. you know, so you've got to do the things that's lensky must be looking at what's going on in america? wondering how long can this cash co keep go?

it, you know, we go month so big or is this report so, so this only got a cold whiskey and you know right. and it was the who was in the ring leader of the king paying the opinion that who created a zaleski, i know nothing from being a, the american bassoon, playing the good side on television. you know, he's now up supposedly, you know, the interested and this is part of things i've noticed, reaction bunch of landscape. i think he realizes the sooner or later all the americans on the west of the town, the skies on the landscape. and they always, they always do, it's a matter of time gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short. and after that short break,

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can the a nice across stuff were all things are considered? i'm peter bell. this is a home addition remind you were discussing some real names. the a go back to georgia in budapest. that's all. while george nature always having its largest military exercises since the end of the cold war. and i have talked to a former military personnel in the american military. and they say these exercises are just really propaganda and hype and all of that. but it is also sending a message i'm, it's, it's really interesting that last thing that martin had to say, i know you and i all 3 is that we, we covered russia rock. so russia gate to, exhaustively. but it's, it's really quite interesting. georgia,

it's really ukraine, ukraine, ukraine. it's always been that way. yes. uh, the other side of the list thing about the, the united states and one but should not forget is that, um, yeah. when they get all they left afghanistan, you know, they, they left us out of vietnam, but that was on the 20 is the main cause i'm just going to go away. you know, tomorrow the day of the tomorrow, next year, the year, are they gonna stick around? and during those 20 years they can do an oil for a lot of damage. i mean, we think of what, what they did in vietnam for over 20 years. i mean, so it and it is $75.00, but they were there since the 1950s. so when i've got a son yeah, they left on the binding, but they will, they have for 20 years, spend 2 trillion dollars like a wheel for what purpose? iraq, the soul in iraq, this is again 20 years since the invasion still in there. right. so in that welcome to interact with the level welcome. it's never anything creative that they achieve

in any of these places. and so that's why i think it some, uh, some of you know, you know, now he's the thing that the united states will be a band and the ukraine anytime in the future. because they think that using ukraine will diminish russia. the going to do is slowly but surely grind, rushing down and stop it from being a great power they, i think that they get things targets inside russia is part of that strap. it is a well, what kind of a great power i you, you're allowing ukraine, this little country to hit your issue in moscow to hit you in st. petersburg. and you know, you can't do anything about it because your hands are tied. because ultimately, you know, your problems are in nato and your to afraid to attack nature because you are, you know, of afraid of provoking us. and i think the americans are gonna keep doing lives. and that's why i think it, you know, at some point in russia we'll have to address the issue. i mean,

generally allowed us to go on the risk of allowing this to go on a far greater than actually attacking uh, you know, that nature just a backup. george's going to public opinion here will demand it absolutely will demanded as much as they a political calculation. pardon me, that was really interesting. um, zalinski gave an interview with the economist and basically imply that if it's ukraine's western bankers back away. oh, there will be millions of ukrainians that will not take well to that in europe, implying, you know, possible terrorist acts. i mean, again, it's really, really quite a blatant of this kind of lopsided relationship that the ukraine has with united states and with nature nature, well, you'll have 2 things. i mean, i think this, the, the, the american will to keep the record going in ukraine. and the american relationship is a lensky, and that's why i would take to task. i'm jo, disappointed. i don't think americans will go on forever with the landscape,

and they will try that my very best to keep the war racket going on forever. in ukraine, you made a reference to of kind of style or iraq when i was enough kind of stuff. so i have some experience on the ground that i'm but let's not forget that i've done this time was boots on the ground. you know, i did speak when i was there in 2008. i think obama had about a 150000 soldiers to someone will correct me and comments probably. um, but yeah, we don't have the same situation. the pain and the missing component of the soldiers, man. yeah. and that can't go on forever. you know, i'm, so let's just have a little trouble finding man, finding boots on the ground. and we will do, i mean, he started to panic for me the, the, the reference in the columbus interview was it was a panic. a ration was one of the fast of motors, which is him personally, being removed, not the war. i kid, i'm slowing down, but to take tickets, just like up to just point to get, you know,

i think something's got to give before the relationship collapses. and i think that seem right, very i. so is the military stand off at the moment? you know, russia is playing very kind of game. russia is not running a sleeves up. a risk and high numbers of casualties just doesn't need to, you know, i mean western media, it's literally everywhere and slowly, beginning sort of knowledge that nato has made some miscalculations from the very beginning. and one of the biggest miscalculations they made it made was not being glory to find what organized in terms of having a strategy from their beginning. having an idea about numbers every night is about what kind of was it was just so difficult difficulty was just such a mess. a lot mess allowed russia the time to build that front line up 700 age on the coming from which is 45 line. and this is now really to build real problem for you. crane and companies right. it. so it, you know, it moves zalinski is talking to the ministry advisors, he's talking to mates or is that what it, what can we do? you know,

we have to be active. we have to be seen in the world's media to be doing something . and that's why i think this don't show this issue is part of it is to keep the momentum going, but how wrong can rush it really pull it up without, you know, i mean the middle channel is what we're talking about. if russia went over the line, if it's so there's troops into a particular pocket of you crying, where would it like you to be often? i'm not a middle channel that's but often the middle journalist points, it's quite desa. some weather's rockets came from, you know, and is the breaking point is, does russia say no more of this b s? we're going to go over the line. i'm going to send these people out and stop. this is i think, to be, to be fair and both of you have valid points here and go back to georgia. i mean, i'm not a military expert either, but logic would dictate the length is the ukrainian counter offensive, completely spider out to you. but there's a lot of completely off that and then the rest of it takes the initiative. i've predicted last winter,

they would do it. maybe they will do it this winter of me. so by the it is obviously in this as a seat into the main stream. um, definitely offensive as exhausted itself. they did, they just don't have their homes to continue forward. logic would dictate taking advantage of that george. well, i agree, um, but i, you know, as i say that when i, i saw that they would do it last winter. they didn't do it now. maybe another this went to they've given the indication of this i've, i've, so that's, you know, booted and makes these the statements of zone. but he's given no indication that anything is going to change. maybe. well, that doesn't mean that he's going to review his hand at this stage, but again, it goes back to the question, i mean, ukraine, kind of windows, what we know, you bring kind of a window swap. but the nato strategy is to make sure the rupture doesn't when this was, they was like the latest strategies. let's just basically keep as well going. i mean,

that's basically just keep draining a rock show now because you know, the price of that is that you're also draining your brain. but that as long as the rush is getting drain, then who knows what might happen in russia, and they figuring out, well, maybe that they'll be a and i get in all the goals and i'll be some, the, some kind of a or public opinion will turn like a nice the 17, because a lot of the a, he took the hood of them, i'm not exactly much. and ninety's every day is something that will give that's the live the strategy they play. and that's why i think that russia's way to do is they should wrap this up. i mean, at the end of the time was giving advice. so, but, you know, obviously i don't know the, all the logistics they have, they should have been a century mound. a serious of the, i'm going to, i'm gonna tear a page from george. i'm gonna show you some of george's words right back on which i actually agree with is that one of the reasons why they have and thrusted more robustly into ukraine is because they always have to keep the, the,

the possibility of going to an all outcome or with need to okay, and that's another dilemma that they have, but that wasn't my point. george mike brought that up over a year ago. mark me after that. yeah, i mean, you know, it's, it's, it's so strongly that when you look at the bigger picture and you say, well, we had to follow the triangle, which was a huge, filed a mo, both a zone which should have kept on both sides content. you know, there was not a nature threatened nature of front line, but now if we go, if the escalates, um we, we, we, and the russians actually do have some sort of operation. they could come suppose border, so there'd be no, no buffers, and a to know distance. that's all between nato and russia, which i'm sort of defeats the whole object. so yeah, we have a cause, but there's a lot of nato and rushes. barker is interested in a fight ramos out of time if i want to talk about this strange person named ashton carrillo,

of this person's name. i'm going to try to avoid the pronouns here. so i have to say, oh, okay. oh, okay, now you got here. yeah, you know, i was a real oddity. this conflict is great and a lot of the oddity and this is probably the peak oddity. um, the last 2 video this i'm referring to this person is an american citizen that has been hired to do p r propaganda know spokesperson for the grades. and, and i saw these videos i, i think every time i think it some name, it's a joke and they keep telling us it's not we want to take this one which one, but i think it's a very interesting that there is a person obviously very dis the serious mental health issues a very serious issue with identity who this person is. it's entirely fitting to this is a process or should be this folks of the board you brain because your brain is i

think, a very sick country with a serious identity issues. i think it's a, it's, it's a much waiting happen. the market. yeah. because i mean that i have to assume, but i'm directly indirectly. this is funded by the us government aspect. well, i some, i talked about miscalculation before. you know it, the biggest belief, the number of poor decisions that i made by the pentagon. all they've been a bind the ministration. this just seems to be another one, the less of a freak shot. less just will this transgender kind of a monster. and this as soon as a certain amount of messages from your brain to the world, you know, hey, we've already with somebody who's a liberal retros transgender people. ready i mean, give them public service jobs, you know, spokesperson, but even also suppose person spokeswoman spokes ma'am. spokes thing. i don't know where i'm going here. even supposed to send in a c. p is not very good. unless that's my problem. i don't know a problem with your transgender level problem. what race you? well, you know what you're really is believe. so when you go and can animals on

a sunday afternoon, why have a problem with is if you're any good, all your message and this person is a in the so that's why i'm a little distracted by it. but you know, this person, you know, martin jordan, is it a, a russian polk spokes person talk like that? it would be in turn that would blow up. ok, but this, which is, you know, take, taking passively. it's really quite remarkable. you have the means, the lens, the interview with the economy as you know, you know, you, you don't know what we're capable of. and in the gentleman, unfortunately, we've run out of time on a think, my guess in budapest, in america, so north like our viewers. but watching us here in our dc and next time remember across doubles the

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