to and then have the monitoring system that shows that, you know, some others that there he, at the trying to remember we weren't going to reset the, give them jobs to do. i've met them and pride, you know, whether in the country. yes, i didn't have just use them that term. make them your old friends are brother impressed on the brand new, and then reduce mailboxes. unless i've gone to the address that will go to the director of the people as well. as i met a job that i did that next weekend, i dropped the log, the rectum was, it gave me, but you can, you? that's great. most thought you might be the best bridge. there was good. was it right? what i'm going to, what after 6 our little start, the pool was the best movie, apple. safari, something has to be done. i got drunk, we have to do something. and then you look as to what sad to me, a very complicated issue that i'm going to acquire as he said so many countries coming together not coming up with something they can all agree on that was pull

edge, may play both sides and security on this thank you so much for your time. thank you for having me. and that is it from us to today have a great today the i'm action or times the and welcome back to going underground real cause to go around the world from do by in the you a this week. so a more alarming news from the a europe lodges nuclear power plant is every year react on the geneva river. it came up to tuesdays attack along one divided by must go to the u. n itself, while the hydro electric them then supplied water to crimea. but it is nuclear

power, that danger is always full time, also winning film director. and right to all of a skeleton contents have we will be in hoodwinked. his new documentary shots, a historic conspiracy involving oil companies, the press, and hollywood, preventing us from understanding that nuclear is the only way to avoid imminent climate change. catastrophe the close of our power steel comes from burning gas and cold. the mail is going up not down. if we do not cut carbon emissions by nearly 100 percent, the world will suffer serious damage. this is an even bigger problem than we thought the answer to solving climate change is very straightforward. what's the best solution in your mind, largely nuclear, nuclear, nuclear, nuclear. we've been trained from the very beginning to fear nuclear power. the very thing that we fear is what may save us what scary is not the same as what's dangerous cold is dangerous. more people die from cold in

a couple of weeks than i've ever died from nuclear, which is all from the one accident in turnover. first question is, what about the waste nuclear waste is nothing compared to climate. you can watch and you can now and video on demand. but now they also go in and create your films like salvador to tune j. f. k. nixon, snowden, and wall street. all of a sudden joins me from los angeles. all of a welcome back to the show. you know, i wanted to speak you about joel to go dar his death. i wanted to speak to you about ukraine under fire, and then you come up with a film that, arguably amongst all your great films, maybe the most important film you've ever made. i mean global media focusing on nuclear power, perhaps perhaps in a way that actually the feel your film uh shows is a part of the conspiracy against nuclear power. tell me, tell me a, tell me what the films about as well. you know, you, your c store, and

a lot of that be about is there's, it's not based in conspiracy because we don't know that we know that it could be a clue off. it could not, it could just be business as usual, you know, which is competitive. but anyway, uh, starting at the beginning. uh, let's say that i haven't seen you in, in about 2 or 3 years and you see over that period of time 2019 on this i was really more and more disturbed by climate change and warming warnings of all the confusion in the media. i mean out, they had us from different sources saying this and then and this, and this is a solution that's a, that's not the solution, etc. i wanted to find out as i, for my own sale. so i wanted to go to the bottom of this. so i went to little book that i came out and in 2019 con bright future, a bright future by josh goldstein who was a up international public relations professor and his partner as defines fist

this toes, a swedish nuclear engineer. it's called a bright future. and it lays out very practical economic terms. the point about nuclear energy works. it's always worked. france has made it work sweet and has made it works. it's worth to a degree in the united states and in russia and in china and re a and so forth. and so on, and it still works. it's been working for 50 years, 60 years, in some cases, reactors have been built and because of a few one major accident and a few mishaps and we have to really talk about each of those actions understand. because of that, the psychology has turned against the nuclear power because of fear. and that is a huge factor, of course, in pin stopping it. legislating against and supporting environmental groups or legislating for an enormous amount of regulations that building the price up at least in the united states. the thing is, the thing is all over you've to, you've told us this truth since elizabeth for about vietnam, about central america,

the u. s. role in central america, about what happened in ukraine, the key, the key of coo and 2014. you've told us stories about the plight of the vulnerable and the dispossessed, over so many decades. but you know, jane fonda did the tell us a lot of truths about vietnam and ralph native, perhaps a more people than anyone in history individually for his fight with the comic is on the seat belt. i mean, you're going up against with jane fonda and ralph nader say, but absolutely. uh, but you know, i, in my, or the both of them know i much for what they did to mr. nate are brought to our attention to automobile safety and seat belts and so forth. and uh, jane is an advocate passion and advocate against vietnam. and i admire or courage and i supported her all the way through. but she's dead wrong on nuclear energy. and so it was ralph nader and there's no reason to, to,

to harbor these mess we have to move on because the last, the life of the plan is at stake. so this is far more important than the protests against it. and that goes back to the 19 seventy's and eighty's. of course, things have changed so much that we didn't even know about climate change when people were easily protesting nuclear power among them. i didn't protest, but i was, i went along with the i said ok. they may have appointments, we don't need nuclear power, but that was back in 87 each. we now know that we need clean energy because the atmosphere is poisoning itself. and we don't know how badly this is going to happen, but the i p c. c. the international government, intergovernmental panel on climate control, new in as large body of scientists and large body. it has warned us repeatedly since 1980 that we're reaching a point of 0 tolerance early where the part of the plan it's going to be poisoned really forever. and it's not going to stop the warming is going to keep going. and it seems to be evidently true from all the graphs from 1980 to 2000 and from the

2000 to 2020 period, which was alarming because nothing is improved. the carbon dioxide and i should include methane gas, which c h 4. that's poisoning the whole. the whole show is we're not getting better any better. we're putting a 1000000 streams of dollars into renewables. we talked about it endlessly blah, blah, blah. nothing is happening. it's not getting better. and by 2050 we're, we're going to be really screwed. so we set the guidelines and on sale that 30 years from 20202015. we're talking about those 30 years practically. what can we do as a race, as a human race, the whole global, not just the united states, and we come, we come to the very strong conclusion. we're going to need nuclear power, and we and we support renewables, that's fine. we can keep doing it. but we're gonna need nuclear power to close the gap that's coming. and we're gonna need a lot of it, which means building building nuclear plants everywhere in all countries,

like airline production. yeah, and i should say the film goes clearly through solar and wind and the logo or is it because thanks and size this film is fact oriented. it's not me writing what i believe i have. i am not assigned this. i don't claim any expert knowledge. i'm going off experts, i'm going to them and asking them let me interpreting. i think i'm making it more simple because they're scientists and they can be very abstract and it's sometimes difficult to read and understand. but i think what i've been able to do was interpret what they're saying for a large audience, like, my goal was to teach myself, which is to say, to make it available to a 9th grader or an 8th grader, which is what i feel sometimes they do they find them cares about, i mean this fil a closure program is i understand it of nuclear power stations. although in your film you show that the one in california where there's never been an accident of any kind is i think going to reprieve. do you think bible is about

it? do you think by the kids about the environment then ultimately, i mean you mentioned l n g and they're increasing fact l n g. and of course, as we know, the north stream pipeline blowing up was the largest single event of it. me saying the mission ever in history? absolutely, absolutely. the l n g is the liquid natural gas and gas is not the solution. gas has nothing in it. and it come in like a leaks all along the line. we know that proven, and it's poisoning the m s. u, in in the short term is that we say it's far worse. even then, then then carbon dioxide is far worse. but it's the long term. it does drop off. so what we have is the situation with the downside and on top of it, they put renewables in, but renewables they'll work all the time. so it is not always there. it's winter, it's night. it's cold. the solar sun doesn't always come out, it's the maximum capacity in germany, for example,

was about 2012 percent of the sun came on in. that is on the high side window is a little bit more like 22 percent. but we need to get up to 90 percent, to have nuclear works around the clock and it works efficiently and it's not, it's not costly once it's built. so nuclear is a 90 percent plus solution it and it's clean and that you don't need to backup like renewables need to backup, which is gas and we always, so that's why these gas but when they say they are partners, perfect partners, renewables don't believe it. that's advertising, and they're very good at it. they make it sound like it's easy. oh yeah, we'll just put some gas in and it also. so this ties angeles, i think buying cares about the environment. and i think he's obviously had political challenges. she's getting it through congress because will be showing people still believe that there's no climate warming, but that doesn't matter. listen to the account. he really doesn't care about it. if he set off the north street pipeline, which is a toy, you know what i was getting,

you know, you know, i agree with you. i agree with you and he's done completely destroyed. you believe that story? you know, i believe the united states has something very mr. bind promised that it would not exist before it happened. you know, if you saw it was a pronouncement he had a smirk on his face. so, and he was pretty sure that he was going to end the thread of the pipeline. but what he's done as far worse than that, what he's done is the stabilize the whole world without. he blames the russians and it's easy to do so because that's the boogeyman right now. but the truth is, who set off the war, you know, who you have to go back to 2014, but we're talking about in here. yeah, i want to keep the film i want to give you the film and we don't wanna get completely mad because i know ukraine on flat film, which i think is believe the back of the, the film is accurate. it was owned by ukrainian man, lee living through this thing. and that war started just to repeat in 2014. it did not start in 2020. but why did the pens and kind of contract a google banner from youtube and why is netflix manning this film?

because it's a strange world we're living in the really our security. i mean netflix isn't bad in your power at the new one and netflix building in screening, so you just reject it or they rejected it. i don't know what the price of them is in your do with new cream it. it's really about. it's about the shortage of clean energy in the future and right now and we have to do something about it. that's what the film is about and that's what gives it is urgency. the, i don't looks like it distracted, but, but absolutely be, i mean, i know the time just wondering, is it you showed in, is it a possibility that you actually go around russian nuclear power stations you're talking about? china is expansion of nuclear. i mean is happening. other countries are listening to the arguments of this film already daily on that they understand what you're talking about. that brings, you know, just say that one of the reasons i do that film is because so much of the material machine in the movies, television and in, in news is so depressing him to stop. and it's always about a negative future,

especially movies, movies have done no favors to nuclear energy. they may have was made at the intimate as you know, from china syndrome silkwood and the not horrible tv series at h. b. oh, good turbo, which was not accurate. we go into that in the field that made it so it works is drama because it's sensational and upstairs is out of you, but that is not true. the terrible thing was, i'm was tragedy. no question and it was badly handled. and we go into the detail, the scientists was actually involved is a very broken man, and he explains what really happened. and he was, he had test the professionalism of the soviet crew. there was never any intent to, to see the i a e, a. and when he talks about, i'm gonna let him say it. but the truth is that because of that accident, which was the only fatal accident in the history of the nuclear, and i was 50 people who died. first responders were badly protected,

they were sending and then on top of that, there are some, there was a large release of the low level radiation in the northern europe, which the soviet government, the guy died. and that was a shame. but the u. n went in there exhaustively, as did the don't real house organization and they tested tested the they, they, they said, possibly 4000 people died of casters after that. but it's hard to trace the link between the cancer and radiation radiation. we have a lot of it in the world. all of us done. i'll stop you. the more from the oscar winning film director after this break. the move, when i would show seemed wrong. just don't

have to shape out the application and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support we choose to look so common ground the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with all school winning film director. all of us go known as new release, new k, and now i have noticed that the some scientific of scholarly papers are reducing the numbers previously thought of as being affected by the great ation near nuclear power stations. but when i said conspiracy earlier, i didn't mean of course, last time you were on, i think you were talking about j f k. the film that, you know, created the congressional panel. they biden is refusing to release the papers.

clearly, i was talking about the conspiracy in your film, which is um, which is quite something, the 7 system oil companies, you know, with hollywood. you've been an interesting story altogether and the press all coming together. so the generations on from these great oil companies, rockefeller and his alliance, has a very significant, very significant article night. i know i learned about it, of courses from ron adams and in 1956. the new york times published a study done by the rockefeller foundation, rockefeller foundation, remember, is the john rugged on the rock of roller and the biggest oil magnate of our time. they found that any level of radiation is harmful to the human body as it was in the 1956 that report was released front page new york times not a big publisher of the new york times was of course on the board of the raja philip foundation, so you know, you see the connections at a high level,

and once they put that news out, you know, to advertise and it was just the front page story. radiation then became even more scary to more people because we have the world war 2 experience in the or she but where indeed it was a dangerous level of radiation because it was an enrich phone and were dropping bombs with rich plutonium uranium. so people were dying from radiation boys, no question, but this is a different kind of radiation is low level is back what they called background read pretty ation. and that is what people have is terrified because of all the fears stoped by the rockefeller foundation and the environmentalist. and i think you go into it's in such detail and people can watch it on, on a video on demand. the fact that the radiation risks of ionizing radiation are exaggerated. i would say that you, as a veteran affairs department, still recognizes increased cancer risk on those. so having a nuclear submarines they do that. they do the risk panel, 85000 nuclear submarine cruise between 69 and 82. there is increased cancer from an

ice ation radiation at low doses. but um, just what i'd like, i don't know about that report, but i'd love to know exactly. i'd like to know the more it's on the you as well as truly, i mean you can get money if anyone watching who is serving who has of delegates of rain. you can get a reimbursement from the u. s. federal government. well, nobody has, as we say, and there has been no major, no accident, no significance in the navy. there was, i saw the accident is the low level radiation you're continually exposed to over time. well serving in a new one year young submarine as well as i answered that, but i think my problem, my problem with that was the film was the risk of terror attack. nuclear waste with yours, you say is very safe, a nuclear waste is clearly not safe because it has the bearings, it was very safe. we say it was very well handled and it was watched in mont, and one of the terrorist blows, you know, one of these concrete steel. as soon as you know, there is,

if you are in a nuclear tech or the safest place you could be, as inside one of those concrete cache, they're really well done. and it's, you know, you can never have perfect. you're never going to be perfectly safe, blowing up something up and you blow up in a blue. we did have a hybrid. we had a nuclear explosion. at journal age 50 people went in to clean it up and died as a result. and there was a radiation leak, but that's compared how does that compared to the gas blowing up in both home, which kills 18000 people, chemicals, gas, all the, the hydro, even one and 18000 with birth defects. i'm thinking about their company and it was about a 100000 wounded as far as i know. yeah. the china there was a hydro electric and that the failed in 201975200000 dead. i mean, you understand when, when it rains,

when and so what i'm just thinking the front of more it was the front of climate change before ukraine. but now everyone is worried about nuclear war actually. yes . yes, yes, yes. and it goes on and on and looks by us yesterday i asked an expert what's really going on. he wrote me this now and he said each reactor as a containment structure to begin with, all 6 reactors are shut down. but still putting the residual heat from radio to many, not a fission chain reaction. the plant has its own cooling pond, which will continue to work without the reservoir a little you can get on twitter it. but if you have to go to the site and just to understand what's really happening, you can't deal with the newspapers because a lot of sensationalism sure. the threat of another journal sounds horrible, but it's even jermel was not nothing compared to hiroshima on august. so i think that's the point. no, no, of course, of course, but we didn't think 911. it was possible that film. i know you,

you made it were next on. i'm telling you and your smart man, you can have an explosion, and it's not going to be as bad as you think it is. why, why does a, why does a pro nato pro zalinski greens oppose me about what's happened to the green movie? maybe you want to just tell me what it would. the green movement is completely supportive of, of the military industrial complex in your country. it seems like kemp, the, excuse me, mister james warner, excuse me for that. so i just have, i don't know what's entered politics of the green party, but it's so disappointing to me like starting the 1980s that they really change the world. but they have become pro uh, anti nuclear energy. you mentioned green piece in the film. green piece. we showed one of this, i just found it. oh, found it. and he says very clearly says green piece has done a lot of good saving the wells, bringing up toxic waste,

opposing nuclear bombs. but we got one thing wrong. that was nuclear energy. and he was very forthright about it, and yet green piece continues to, to act out and make a sensational claims that they never back up and mean they never happen. but they always say, well, when the russians floated that barge to pep back in the arctic, it was a nuclear barge, s m r small modular reactor. when they slowed his ad barge, they said it was maybe a nuclear titanic never happened. they went through all the icebergs and its functioning beautifully in a small town, medium size town, and you're in the arctic. this is what the beauty of nuclear is. you've been floating on on barges. you can put it up and down the coast. there's another way of approaching it on water. and i should say also that is a natural, natural partner with brand new. what have you actually talk about small businesses being able to make scalable nuclear power decisions in the united states. if,

if the federal authorities continue to be um, uh, believing that the nuclear is, is a little evil. but you know, this week it was an advisor then the ukranian deputy pm, and this was quoted across the whole u. s. news. we consider the act of is a damn breach, an act of terrorism. the consequences on the scale of to know bill, which you already have exploded are not actually ideally as bad as you say in the field as qualified gas stations in their effect on breathing. but uh, this is what the deputy m b m, the system does it landscape? what is it with the power of nature, the scale of how many people should leave their homes? it's always new. clear now, alexi rehab jim, is the guy that's good. don't worry about it is we ask you a, you know, there's a war on and you, once you get into a war situation, imagine cranes you have so much, probably getting it from, especially from the western side. it's so one side that everything becomes an anti

russian issue. obviously they're there this stronger country. they're winning the war. they're actually kicking ass, but we don't know that in the west we have no realization that was really going on because there's been no military honesty. it's a completely corrupt processing united states and it runs, you know, you have to run everything through the white house because the white house is fighting the war. and they're telling you the russians, are you doing all this stuff. but it's not fair because we're not getting the truth and american people are blind to like, lead by like sheep to a conclusion. well, how come we can't get both sides? how can we can hear yours? yours show in england or in america, can even hear it. it's ridiculous. you don't, you're the right to speak. you're an intelligent man. our team was a good network. and it doesn't mean you have to buy everything they say, but they did a good job. they got cameraman to those places and they continue to be good. and there's other outlets that should be promoted and allowed, but you can't say anything apparently in the united states. it's really on speaking

to you because you're in dubai, which is what you're trying them. he gives that yes, they're gonna, they're going to exaggerate everything possible against the russians, including anything that happens nuclear. anything will be built up into some sensational event, although there is in fact no actual threat. what's happened with the damage ration and you know nobody's cleaned it, but it's clearly motivated to the motive for doing it is new training. ukrainian motive is too rich. they're losing badly. they want to wreck the land before the russians take curse on. the russians are predicted to take that area because just a russian, basically, a russian speaking area, russian ethnic. so the ones that are pointed out, it seems to me successfully to the american people and the, the engines, especially the remainder. this is a civil war. this is not like normal what this is between russian and ukrainian, the ukrainians have been vicious against since 2014 against the russian ethnic population. patients joining us,

i've heard on various reports and $57000.00 plus wounded. there's been almost 14000 people affected in that spirit while they resign the means degree. met the ukrainians, and they didn't know they didn't honor it for 6 or 8 years. they us a mentor ukraine to get over financed. everything were financing the government and built up the army to this level where it should attack and take back the don't us and the best. so well, just for just finding very brief racism was very briefly though, all of a very briefly. and i should say, auditing is available in some cable networks in the united states. it's only banned in the european union and at britain and we go out there to so many different channels. i just want to say though, you went to russia in this found people watch the film can see that you actually went through. but i just, very, very briefly, the prospect of the new foss breathing react,

is that you witness the recycle of waste. just very quickly, yes, the russians of the have a 250000 people working on atomic energy that in the government agency. rosa john, as we need government back in to get these things done on a big scale. france has the electricity data falls sign, it has its agency, and that's what, yeah, that's what you need to do to move things. the deal department of energy by the way, has been good and they've pro nuclear, but they're slow and they're not spending big money. big, big money, but they are definitely the backing initial initiative. they're back in the small modular reactors and they want to, she is 50 companies in america, 3 enterprise companies develop it. it has great extra to make them smaller reactor and i think it's one of works and it's going to be huge. but you know, it's not going to deal with a volume that we need for the world to. we still need the heavy reactors. china is doing the biggest amount of progress as of the date they have committed to. they

have like, uh, some say 506070 reactors. i forgot, but they are building a lot more according to what i read recently, the building. $440000000000.00 worth of new reactors, some $170.00 some. and they're going to be out. their plan is to have it up by 2038 . a significant yet, we know the china uses a lot of coal and still does so all of the more reactors they can build, a less coal they will use all of this done. thank you. thank you. actually have that set for the show. remember, you can watch new fan now on video on demand will be back on monday, on russian day with funeral. you can of chapter to the presidium of russians comfortable for an defense policy until then you can give it to us for our la social media. if it's so expensive in your country and had to have channel going on, you're going to feel normal dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground c. on monday, the

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