tv Cross Talk RT September 18, 2023 6:30am-7:00am EDT
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the web deep involvement in the brain complex suggest any negotiations are off the table. in fact, only escalation is on the horizon. is nico spoiling for an upright conflict with russia. it certainly seems so the to discuss these issues and molar. i'm joined by my guess martin j america. she's in the board winning, journalist and commentator. and in budapest we have george something while we just, he's a pod counselor at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentleman cross up rules that affect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start off with george and in budapest, in this is probably one of the strangest times in this conflict because we, we have of the blankets of the world. emily and a bit above was with the blinking in, in care of next year. they found an extra $1000000000.00 and the couch under the
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couch, cushions are remarkable with miraculously. and then we have this, you know, just kind of bald faced and introduction of, of very high um, sophisticated weaponry. the focus right now is the destruction of the cartridge bridge from the intelligence that the great answer given is being stepped up there being a very open about it. the whole price is around star link and, and you on must, was revealed. but then george, at the same time, it seems like, even in the main stream, media is saying, well we, we color offensive isn't the meeting expectation is not meeting it's goals and all, but i mean, there seems to be a real mixture of messages going on out there go ahead, george. i hear anything that's a very, very good point. it is a mixture of messages. but the west is where they play the very dangerous game here . um they've made a calculation that they can escalate and escalate an escalade. cross one red line offer another because as a big a,
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russia is too afraid to reach out of the game starts. if they were daddy, that gives us an article 5 goes into effect one for all, for one, we have will. so they doing things now that a few months ago, they had said they're not going to do that. it'd be too dangerous. so now the u. k . and france of both and the new grain does a long range cruise missed size. and then we had this bro has missed all the types of storm shadow provided by the u. k. on so basketball. um, but you guys making the attempt to conceal this role in this so that you can knew exactly how these midsize would be used. and now we have the, by the station saying that they go to send these a d, c, and most most sized to your brain. having said like a month like, oh no, no, no, we don't do that's too dangerous to escalate the or they going to be the going to send them. and when blinking was lost in the, in an interview the other day. well,
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this will be an attack on russian soil. how do you feel about that as a? well, we don't really have any say in the math, but you know, it's a, it's a, it's a you brain issue. so, but this is the complete nonsense because we know that the united states, as i said, united states is providing tactical intelligence through your brain. so we're in a position now that's um your brain is being stolen. hey, why don't you just keep attacking uh, russian land. i mean, just, you know, keep that targeting uh, russian, the mainland, under branches, by and, you know, we've, we've got a blank check up. this is a very dangerous position because you still ultimately have to look at it and say, well, how long as we're actually going to put up with this because of the, your discount, you're going to be great. i'll just set this up in your hands while the you gay the us from say yeah, go right ahead of the but i think the russian mainland so i think it's a good way to getting into an ever more dangerous situation. yeah. and learn,
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and it also it kind of to tears away. the facade this has anything to do with you. currently. it does look like it's, it's, it's kind of offensive, is utterly failed. it's casualty rates are, are, excuse me, main extremely high. but it, and as we talked about last week, we, when blinking was in, in, in chevy, didn't even talk about legal membership. it will give, it's almost kind of incidental right now. and so to george's point here, here, there is a great power that's being attacked out to a proxy. and it is an untenable situation. i, i have to imagine that um, there will be a concerted effort now to destroy airports, hopefully, your major transportation conduits, which haven't been after what 2021 months now. but they'll have that. and that, of course, come cosby of the good way to collapse of the grading economy. so it's, it's a, it's, they're no good option. so the way the west continues to escalate martin, you know, their own. um and uh, i think the joe just right the,
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the escalation game is being played very slowly, but very shortly kick by click on the rushing, the latest, the type of the storm shudders. this is, is a good example, but i think is also a good example of how desperate he claims that getting. because this i've always all get from a job is pointed to this is why much of media will, which for a long time, the west. uh wow. as down with it, some with its fake news operation based in calf. um, but i think that's coming to an end. now. a nice thing to the credit is a really realizing that look, we need at least 6 months to rebuild. you know, i'm, what are we doing not 6 months? we called you absolutely nothing. we have to do something. we have to disrupt the media. we have to create an illusion that we're still out there. we're still punching about on weights. and so the long range missiles thing i think is only effective if you can do it every 2 or 3 days or once a week. you know, we haven't seen any repeats of, i'm a new types all the time in a cold war. i mean,
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these chips are sitting ducks, you know, to use the metaphor. it was not a concert, it's a great minute treat victory. but i think the economy is the americans are beginning to, to wake up and realize that they need to buy time. and the way to do that possibly is with these tactical strikes, how effective that will be. i'm, i'm not sure, but i'm not sure i agree with george. that will was it. you made a point that we are leading up to a full out escalation of from propagation between will this with will, with russia and the west. what i think is a tactic behind this is to trick the russians into negotiating some sort of formal or informal sci fi and what will happen during that period. and that would not only be a tactical defeat, i'd be a strategic defeat on the part of the russians. george jump in. i agree with you. i think that, um, if russia did that, i think rush, it would be seen uh to have lost it with a but essentially
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a settled for something less than they had a beginning in the end of february, the 24th of 2022. so that would indeed be a degree for sure, but again, it's quite possible that this is the way they are calculating in nature when they have well moved will trick the russians into a green. so this amount, of course we're going to use the next few years to have on your brain for more and more money in those. i mean, you know, one of the issue here, i mean what, what, what exactly is the west game of the west is bobus they have. it's due to week and debilitating. russia drain, it of mine bought the drain to restore. so that's obviously they, you know, lloyd austin and others have said that that's one of the game. but there's also a lot of money involved. i mean, we, you know, we know by the racy on the all the, the feet of the big military contractors. i mean that we're making a bundle of money and now we have, you know, all the,
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those sequoia capital and all the rest of it. so mckenzie. and they're all getting involved in the small business of we're going to rebuild ukraine. so there's a lot of money in there for, you know, they, they have every, intends that an interest in maintaining it, and you really aging russia. so there's no incentive on the part of the west to bring this to any kind of conclusion. amazing. the longer it goes on, the more it's going to hurt russia. margaret, if you want to respond to that, go ahead. yeah, i'm from the west point of view that's, that's clear who is a rocket. and there is, as i written recently, one of my opinion pieces, there was no grace, a racket, new credit was from the west perspective. it will make sense, the dollars or less and everyone's laughing to the bank on the perspective of the designs. together a new crane, i think a must be starting to panic because you must be start to realize that this coming going forever. you know, he has to keep up appearances. he has to find
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a young man somehow. if you have to send, send his, it's as teams of soldiers going into balls and a supermarket, some drug, a young man out by the, by the hell, you know, he's got a lot of problems. i'm so to recommend. these are, he's in route to washington to be of celebrated in the white house still again. and then up to the round of fundraising, the crowd, the show for up on the crowd funding george the they did the it is all about the money. because once the money dries up, then there's no logic to this whatsoever. no, that's right, but the money isn't going to dry out because the united states is always binding money full. he's of inches. i mean o n a as in a cool 1000000000. and they gotta keep doing this, so that's why what we've got the ac and this massage. and i think it's a more and we just keep, keep it's coming because this as
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a say they want is get to go on with this war. and there is just infinite amount of money for your brain, no money for anything else. so the pet, symbolic, you know, nothing for anything or anyone else. but for your brain, they're going to give it because ultimately they both think like mitch mcconnell and the, and the rest of the sentence is, which is, hey, this is the best money we can have. i mean, is this a wonderful investment? you know, is much better than your gym compared to the recept. thank doing this over the course of 20 years and have damage to an after 20 months. look at the, the return on investment up to really amazing when it comes to somebody. your brain was, you know, that's like going to bank and so, you know, and then, and winning all of a slot machines that once. yeah, yeah, no, that's right. and i mean they, they, they spend 2 trillion, i've got a snow, but a lot of people got very rich. i mean, again, americans didn't, but a lot of people doing. so there's, again, anything with your brain, a lot of people are getting very rich and,
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and they want to go on getting rich. it is just, unfortunately, the consequence of this is that your brain is, and the russians are dying. they know they're not the, they're not getting rich, but some americans and that's, that's a cash cow. and then honestly have no intention of stopping my gas go 18 of, of cash cows. i thought it was quite interesting that as a landscape said, well, we might have elections, but i need 5000000000 for it. okay. i mean, pretty good to go ahead martin. that just room. but i mean, he's really bracing. oh i'm, i'm, you know, it's all about democracy in the a top receive. but me, 5 bill, maybe we'll have maybe ahead of you is a, is a user beginning to be a little bit nervous when he looks at his friends the bottom who just this week. you know, the old story was bon bonded about on the fringes of web and a few 90 geometrical gentlemen such as myself of bite and taking bribes when he was a vice president and ukraine. this is on mainstream. now we don't ignore this anymore. the s b are investigating it,
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binds bitten and paste on the basis of it. you know? so, you know, i think is as landscape must be looking at what's going on in america, wondering how long can this cash co keep go it, you know, we go off months or we don't use this report so. so this only got a call the whiskey in unite, and it was the who was in the ring leader of the king pan, the opinion that who greece it as the landscape, nothing from being a. so uh maybe keep the phone plane tickets out on television. you know, he's now that supposedly, um, you know, the interested and this is part of things i've noticed, reaction bunch of landscape. i think he realizes the sooner or late. so the americans, on the west of the town, the skirt is on the landscape and they always, they always do. it's a matter of time gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short, and that's about short break. we'll continue, and especially when you're going to stay with our to
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the the welcome eyes across stuff were all things are considered 9 peter bluebell. this is a home edition remind you were discussing some real needs the a go back to georgia in budapest. that's all. while george nature always having its largest military exercises since the end of the cold war. and i have talked to a former military personnel in the american military. and they say these exercises are just really propaganda and hype and all of that. but it is also sending a message i'm, it's, it's really interesting that last thing that martin had to say, i know you and i all 3 is that we, we covered russia, russia, russia, gate, uh, exhaustively. but it's, it's really quite interesting. georgia, it's really ukraine, ukraine,
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ukraine. it's always been that way. yes. let's try the, let's think about the united states and one, but should not forget, is this. um, yeah, when they get all they left afghanistan, you know, they, they left us out of vietnam. but that was on the 20 is the main cause i'm just going to go away. you know, tomorrow the day off the tomorrow, next year, the year are they gonna stick around? and during those 20 years they can do an oil for a lot of damage. i mean, we think of what, what they did in the other 20 years. i mean, so it and it is 75, but the since the early 1950 is same and i've got a spot and yeah, they left on the binding but they will live for 20 years. spend 2 trillion dollars like a wheel for what purpose? iraq, the sewing iraq, this is the 20 since the invasion, still in there. right? so in that welcome to interact with the level welcome. it's never anything creative that they achieve in any of these places. and so that's why i think it's some,
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some of you know, you don't have to think that the united states will be abandoned in ukraine anytime in the future. because they think that using ukraine will diminish rush or the what i going to do is slowly but surely grind, rushing down and stop it from being a great power they, i think. and i think hitching targets inside russia is part of that strap. it is a what, what kind of a great power i you, your allowing ukraine, this little country to hit your issue in moscow at the hit you in st. petersburg. and you know, you can't do anything about it because your hands are tied. because ultimately, you know, your problems are in nato and your to afraid to attack nature because your, you know, of afraid of provoking us. and i think the americans are gonna keep doing lives. and that's why i think it, you know, at some point in russia, we'll have to address the issue. i mean,
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generally allow this to go along the origins of allowing this to go on a far greater than actually attacking uh, you know, that nature just a backup george's going through public opinion here will demand it absolutely well demanded as much as they a political calculation pardon me, that was really interesting. um, so once he gave an interview with the economist and basically imply that if uh, its ukraine's western bankers back away, oh, there will be millions of ukrainians that will not take well to that in europe, implying you know, possible terrorist acts. i mean, again, it's really, really quite blatant of this kind of a lopsided relationship that the ukraine has with the united states and with nature nature, well, you'll have to think so. i mean, i think this, the, the, the american will to keep the record going in your crime. and the american relationship is a lensky, and that's why i would take to task joe, just point, i don't think americans will go on forever with zalinski, and they will try that my very best to keep the war racket going on forever. in
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ukraine. you made a reference to of kind of style of iraq when i was enough guns done. so i have some experience on the ground that i'm but let's not forget that i've done this time was boots on the ground. you know, i did speak when i was there in 2008. i think obama had about a 150000 soldiers that someone will correct me and comments probably. but again, we don't have the same situation. the pain and the missing component of the soldiers, man, you know, and that can't go on forever. you know, i'm, so let's get started. real trouble finding man, finding boots on the ground. and why will do, i mean, he's still independent from me the, the, the reference in the columbus interview was it was a panic. you ration was one of the fans, the motors, which is him personally being removed, not the water. i could, i'm sliding down, but to take tickets, just like up to just point to get, you know, i think something's got to give before the relationship collapses. and i think that
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seem right, very, i. so is the military stand off at the moment? you know, russia is probably going to kind of go, russia is not running a sleeves up a risk and high numbers of casualties. i just doesn't need to, you know, i mean, western media is slowly, very slowly beginning sort of knowledge that nato has made some miscalculations from the very beginning. i'm one of the biggest miscalculations they made. it made was not being well i finally got organized in terms of having a strategy from the beginning. having an idea about numbers every night is about what kind of was it was just so difficult difficulty was just such a mess. a lot mess allowed russia the time to build that front line up 700 age on the coming from which is 45 live. and this is now really the bill, real present for ukraine, the company's right to. so it, you know, it can result excuse took into the minutes, advises me still the debates are, is that what it, what can we do? you know, we have to be active. we have to be seen in the world's media to be doing something,
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and that's why i think this don't show this issue is part of it is to keep the momentum going, but how long can rush it really pull it up without, you know, i mean the miller channel is, or we're talking about if russia went over the line, if it said there's troops since a particular pocket of you crying, where would it like you to be often? i'm not a middle channel that's, but often the middle journalist points, it's quite desa. some weather's rockets came from, you know, and is the breaking point is, does russia say no more of this b s? we're going to go over the line. i'm going to send these people out and stop. this is, i think, to be, to be fair and both of you have valid points here and go back to georgia. i mean, i'm not a military expert either, but logic would dictate, let this, the ukrainian counter offensive, completely sputter out. you know, there's a lot of completely off that and then the rest of it takes the initiative. i've predicted last winter, they would do it may be, bank will do it this winter ups me. so by the it,
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it obviously in this has seeped into the main stream. um the, the offensive as exhausted itself. they didn't, they just don't have their own state continue forward. logic would dictate taking advantage of that george. well, i agree, um, but i, you know, is this side of an eye i saw that they would do it last winter. they didn't do it. now maybe they'll do this, went to, they've given the indication of the so that, that's, so that's, you know, put in makes these the statements of zone, but he's given no indication that anything is going to change. maybe. well, that doesn't mean that he's going to review his time at this stage. but again, it goes back to the question, i mean, ukraine, kind of windows, what we know, you bring kind of a window swap. but the nato strategy is to make sure the rupture doesn't when this was, they was like the latest strategies. let's just basically keep this will going. i mean, that's basically just keep draining a rock show. now, because you know,
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the price of that is that you're also draining your brain, but that as long as the rush is getting drained, then who knows what might happen in russia and they figuring out, well, maybe that they'll be a and i get the at the end of the goals and i'll be some the, some kind of a or public opinion will turn again. i've been 17 because the it's got them. i'm not exactly not the ninety's every day is something that will give that's the live the strategy they play. and that's why i think that russia is why have you, they should wrap us up. i mean, at the end of the time was giving advice so, but you know, obviously i don't know the all the logistics they have, they should they essentially mound a serious affinity this question if i'm going to, i'm gonna tear a page from george. i'm gonna show you some of george's words right back. and which i actually agree with is that one of the reasons why they have and thrusted more robustly into ukraine is because they always have to keep the, the, the possibility of going to an all outcome for with nato. ok. and that's another
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dilemma that they have. but, but what's of my point, george? mike brought that up over a year ago. mark me after that. yeah, i mean, you know, it's, it's, it's so strong is that when you look at the bigger picture and you see what we had before you, triangle, which was a huge, filed a mo, both a zone which should have kept on both sides content. you know, there was not a nature, it's right, the nature of front line. but now if we go, if the escalates, um we, we, we, and the russians actually do have some sort of operation. they could come to the publish mode. so there be no, no buses and a to know distance, that's all between nature and russia, which i'm sort of defeats the whole object. so we have a cause, but there's a lot of nato on russia's boss or is it, you know, we're almost out of time if i want to talk about this strange person named ashton carrillo, this person's name. i'm going to try to avoid the pronouns here. so i have to say,
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oh, okay, oh, okay, now you gotta, yeah, yeah. you know, i was a real oddity. this conflict is great and a lot of the oddity and this is probably the peak oddity. um, the last 2 video of this, i'm referring to this person, the mirror can citizen then has been hired to do p r propaganda know spokesperson for the upgrade. and, and i saw these videos i, i think every time i think it's a name, it's a joke. and they keep telling us, it's not we want to take this one which one. well, i think it's a very interesting that there is, um, a person obviously very dis, the serious mental health issues. a very serious issue with identity who this person is. it's entirely fitting to this is the person who should be this folks of the board, your brain, because your brain is, i think, a very sick country with a serious identity issues. i think it's a, it's
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a much waiting happen. the market. yeah. because i mean, i have to assume, but i'm directly indirectly, this is funded by the us government aspect where i some, i talked about miscalculation before. you know, it, the biggest belief, the number of poor decisions that i made by the pentagon. all they have in a bind administration, this just seems to be another one, the less of a freak show. less just will out this transgender kind of a monster. and this is this done as a certain amount of messages from your train to the well, you know, hey, we've already with somebody who's a liberal, we have trans transgender people, and we give them public service jobs, you know, spokesperson. but even also suppose person spokeswoman spokes ma'am. spokes thing. i don't know where i'm going here. even i suppose to put something in a c. p is already good. unless that's my problem. i don't know a problem if you're transgender. i don't have a problem. what race you well, you know what you really believe. so when you go and can animals and let somebody else in a while, i have a problem with is if you any good,
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all your message and this person is a about. so that's why i'm a little distracted by it, but you know, this person, you know, martin, george is if they a russian polk spokes person talk like that. it would be interesting that would blow up ok, but this, which is, you know, take, taking passively. it's really quite remarkable. you have the means, the lens, the interview with the economy as you know, you know, you, you don't know what we're capable of. and in the gentleman, unfortunately, we've run out of time on a think, my guess in budapest, in america, even with like our viewers. but watching us here in our dc and next time, remember across the rules, the, this is a i, a program's aim wasn't,
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