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hello and welcome across stock, where all things are considered 9 peter level, the west, deep involvement in the brain complex suggest ending negotiations are off the table in fact, only escalation is all the horizon is nato spoiling for an upright conflict with russia. it certainly seems so the to discuss these issues and molar. i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's in the ward winning, journalist and commentator. and in budapest we have george 70 while we, he's a pod cast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals are gentleman cross up rules that affect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start off with george and in budapest,

in this is probably one of the strangest times in this conflict because we, we have of the blankets of the world. and the bed above was with the blinking and key of next year. they found the next $2000000000.00 and the couch under the couch, cushions are really michael miraculously. um and then we have this, you know, this kind of bald faced and introduction of, of very hot and sophisticated weaponry. the focus right now is the destruction of the cartridge bridge from the intelligence that the great answer given is being stepped up there being a very open about it. the whole price is around star, lankin and you on must, was revealed. but then george, at the same time, it seems like, even in the main stream, media is saying, well, we, we color offensive isn't meeting expectations by meeting its goals and all. but i mean, there seems to be a real mixture of messages going on out there. go head george. i hear anything. that's a very, very good point. it is

a mixture of messages. but the west is where they play a very dangerous game here. um, they've made a calculation that they can escalate an escalated an escalade, cross one red line offer another because as a big a, russia is too afraid to retaliate against us if they were daddy, that gives us an article 5 goes into effect one for all, for one we have will well, and so they doing things now that a few months ago, they had said they're not going to do that. it'd be too dangerous. so now the u. k . and france of both and the due grain such a long range cruise miss size. and then we had this bro has missed all the types of storm shadow provided by the u. k. on so basketball that you can use making no attempt to conceal this role in this so that you can't knew exactly how these missiles would be used. and now we have the,

by the station saying that they go to the set of these a, d, c. and most, most sized to your brain having said again, months like, oh no, no, no, we can't do that's too dangerous to escalate the or they going to be the going to send them. and when blinking was lost in the, in an interview the other day. well, this will be an attack on russian soil. how do you feel about that as a? well, we don't really have any say in the math, but you know, it's a, it's a, it's a you brain issue. so because this is the complete nonsense, because we know that the united states, as i said, united states is providing tactical intelligence to your brain. so we're in a position now that's um, your brain is being stolen. hey, why don't you just people talking about russian land. i mean, just, you know, keep that targeting uh, russian, the mainland, under branches, by and, you know, we've, we've got a blank check up. this is a very dangerous position because you still ultimately have to look at it and say,

well, how long as we're actually going to put up with this because of the, your discount, you're going to be great. i'll just set this up in your hands while the you gay the us from say yeah, go right ahead of the but i think the russian mainland so i think it's a good way to getting into an ever more dangerous situation. yeah. and learn and it also is a kind of to tears away. the facade, this has anything to do with you. currently. it doesn't look it's, it's, it's kind of offensive, is utterly failed. it's casualty rates are, are exclaiming, extremely high. but it, and as we talked about last week, we, you know, when blinking was in, in, in can, we didn't even talk about the membership, able to get it. it's almost kind of incidental right now. and so to george's point here, here, there is a great power that's being attacked out to a proxy. and it is an untenable situation. i, i have to imagine that, um, it will be a concerted effort now to destroy airports, hopefully, your major transportation conduits,

which haven't been after what 2021 months now. but they'll have that. and that'll course come cosby of the good way to collapse of the grading economy. so it's, it's a, they're no good option. so the way the west continues to escalate martin, you know, the roads. um and uh, i think the judge is right. the, the escalation game is being played very slowly, but surely kick by click on the rush. it the latest, the type of the storm shudders. this is, is a good example. but i think it's also a good example of how desperate new clients are getting. because this i've always all get from a job as part of it is very much it media will, which for a long time, the west long as down with it some but it's fake news operation based in kiff. um, but i think that's coming to an end. now i think the via credit is a really realizing that look, we need at least 6 months to rebuild,

you know, and what do we do? not 6 months? we can't do absolutely nothing. we have to do something, we have to disrupt the media, we have to create an illusion that we're still out there. we're still punching about on weight. and so the long range missiles thing i think is only effective if you can do it every 2 or 3 days or once a week. you know, we haven't seen any repeats of, i'm a new types on the climbing a cold war. i mean, these chips are sitting ducks, you know, to use the metaphor. it was not a concert is a great minute treat victory. but i think the attorney is the americans, the beginning. so to wake up and realize that they need to buy time. and the way to do that possibly is with these tactical strikes. i'll stick to that will be, i'm not sure. but i'm not sure i agree with george. that will was it you? and at the point that we are leading up to a full out escalation of, from publication between will this with will, with russia on the west. what i think is a tactic behind this is to trick the russians into negotiating some sort of formal or informal sci fi and what will happen during that period. and that would not only

be a tactical defeat, i'd be a strategic defeat on the part of the russians. george jump in. i agree with you. i think that, um, if russia did that, i think russia would be seen uh to have lost it would have but essentially unsettled with something less then they had a beginning. uh, a, you know, in uh, february the 24th of 2022. so that would indeed be uh the, the brochure. but again, um, it's quite possible that this is the way they are calculating uh, in nature when that, well, we'll check the russians into agree. and so this amount, of course we're going to use the next few years to on your brain for more and more money in those. i mean, you know, one of the issue here, i mean what, what, what exactly is the west game of the west is bobus they have. it's due to week of debilitating, russia drain,

it of the mind about the drain to restore. so that's obviously they, you know, loyal to us than others. i've said that, that's one of the game. but there's also a lot of money involved. i mean, we, you know, we, nobody raised the, on the, all the, the feet of the big military contractors. i mean, that will making a bundle of money and now we have, you know, all the of those sequoia capital and all the rest of it. so mckenzie. and they're all getting involved in the small business of we're going to rebuild ukraine. so there's a lot of money in there for, you know, they, they have every, intends that an interest in maintaining it, and you don't really aging russia. so there's no incentive on the bottom of the west to bring this to any kind of conclusion. amazing. the longer it goes on, the more it's going to hurt russia. margaret, if you want to respond to that, go ahead. yeah, from the west point of view, that stuff's clear who is a rocket. and there is, as i have written recently, one of my opinion pieces, there was no grace, a racket,

new credit was from the west perspective. it will make sense, the dollars or less, and everyone's laughing to the bank on the perspective of the designs together. i'm ukraine. i think a must be starting to panic because you must be start to realize that this coming going forever. you know, he has to keep up appearances. he has to find a young man somehow. if you have to send, send his, it's is teams of soldiers going into balls and a supermarket, some drug, a young man out by the, by the hell, you know, he's got a lot of problems. i'm so to reckon basically these are, he's in route to washington to be of celebrated in the white house still again. and then up to the round of fundraising, the crowd a show for a fund of crowd funding. george, the they didn't, it is all about the money because once the money dries up, then there's no logic to this whatsoever. no, that's right. but the money isn't going to drive. yeah, that goes to the united states is always binding money full. he's of inches. i mean,

o l l a as in a cool 1000000000, and they gotta keep doing this. so that's what i, what we've got the ac and this massage and i go to a more and we just keep, keep is coming because it is as they say they want is get to go on with this war. and there is just infinite amount of money for your brain, no money for anything else. so then the pets and the nothing for anything or anyone else. but for your brain thinking to give it because ultimately they both think like mitch mcconnell and the, and the rest of the senate says, which is the pay. this is the best money we can have. i mean, is this a wonderful investment? you know, is much better than the compared to the same. think doing this over the course of 20 years and have them as an after 20 months. look at the, the return on investment, not seriously amazing. when it comes to somebody, your brain was, you know, that's like going to vegas you know, and then,

and winning all the slot machines that once. yeah, yeah, no, that's right. then i mean they, they, they spend 2 trillion on ask any stuff, but a lot of people got very rich. i mean, again, americans didn't, but a lot of people doing. so there's, again, any way you brain, other people are getting very rich and, and they want to go on getting rich. uh, it is just, unfortunately, the consequence of this is that your brain is, and the russians are dying. they know they're not the, they're not getting rich, but that some americans and that's, that's a cash cow. and then honestly have no intention of stopping my gas go 18 of, of the cash codes. i thought it was quite interesting that the landscape said, well, we might have elections, but i need 5000000000 for it. okay. i mean, great, good, good. good martin now just rubrics. i mean, he's really bracing. oh i'm, i'm, you know, it's all about democracy and that's, that's obviously, but give me 5 bill. maybe we'll have maybe a new is a, is a used to be going to be

a little bit nervous when he looks at his friend the bottom who just this week. you know, the old story was bon bonded about on the fringes of the web and a few, not a geometrical, gentler, such as myself of bite and taking bribes when he was a vice president and ukraine. this is all mainstream. now we can't ignore this anymore. the s b are investigating yet, and bind spitting and paste on the basis of it. you know, so you've got to, i think, as long as you must be looking at what's going on in america, wondering how long can this cash co keep go? it, you know, we go month so big or is this report so, so this only got a cold whiskey and you're right and it was the who was in a um the the ring leader, the king paying the opinion that who created a zaleski out or nothing from being a, the american pursuing, playing the good side on television. you know, he's now up supposedly, you know, the interested and this is part of things i've noticed,

reaction by zalinski. i think he realizes the sooner or later all the americans on the west of the town, the sky is on the landscape and they always, they always do. it's a matter of time gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short and after that short break, we'll continue it, especially when you're going to stay with our to the

each country right now has its own concept of the development chinese russian, even the united states. but not all cars are shared. the same idea, so we should understand what is come on for every one of us. and what is different to be different of these is not a bad thing, but we should understand what re that with our fictions between us, the a nice across stuff were all things are considered. i'm peter bell. this is a home addition remind you, we're discussing some real needs, the a go back to george and budapest. that's all. while george nature always having its

largest military exercises since the end of the cold war. and i have talked to a former military personnel in the american military, and they say these exercises are just really propaganda and hype and all of that. but it is also sending a message. um it's, it's really interesting that last thing that martin had to say, i know you and i all 3 is that we, we, we covered russia, russia, russia, gate, uh, exhaustively. but it's, it's really quite interesting. georgia, it's really ukraine, ukraine, ukraine. it's always been that way. yes, uh that's right. um the, the thing about the, the united states and one but should not forget is that, um, but yeah, when they get all they left afghanistan, you know, they, they left us out of vietnam. but that was on the 20 is the main cause i'm just going to go away. you know, tomorrow the day of the tomorrow, next year, the year are they gonna stick around? and during those 20 years they can do an awful lot of damage. i mean,

we think of what, what they did in vietnam for over 20 years. i mean, so, you know, they, it, and it is 75, but they were there since the 1950s. so when i've got a spelling. yeah, they left on the binding, but they will, they have for 20 years, spend 2 trillion dollars like a wheel for what purpose? iraq, the selling iraq. this is the 20 is since the invasion still in there. right. so in that welcome to interact with the level welcome. it's never anything creative that they achieve in any of these places. so that's why i think it some, some of the low, you know, now he's the thing that the united states will be a band and the ukraine any time in the future. because they think that using ukraine will diminish russia. the going to do is slowly but surely grind, rushing down and stop it from being a great power they, i think, i think hitching targets inside russia is part of that strap. it is a well,

what kind of a great power i you, you're allowing ukraine. this little country to hit you, it's you in moscow to hit you in st. petersburg and you know, you can't do anything about it because your hands are type. because ultimately, you know, your problems are in nato and your to afraid to attack nature because your, you know, of afraid of provoking us. and i think the americans are gonna keep doing lives. and that's why i think it, you know, at some point in russia we'll have to address the issue. i mean, the only allowed us to go on the risk of allowing this to go on a far greater than actually attacking uh, you know, that nature just a backup. george's point to public opinion here will demand, it absolutely will demand. and it is not just a, a political calculation. pardon me, you know, it's really interesting. um, zalinski gave an interview with the economist and basically imply that if it's ukraine's western backers back away. oh,

there will be millions of your premiums that will not take well to that in europe, implying, you know, possible terrorist acts. i mean, again, it's really, really quite a blatant of this kind of lopsided relationship that the ukraine has with the united states and with nature nature, well, it was 2 things. i mean, i think this through the, the, the american will to keep the record going in your crime. and the american relationship is a lensky, and that's why i would take to task. i'm jo, disappointed. i don't think americans will go on forever with us lensky and they will try that my very best to keep the war racket going on forever in ukraine. you made a reference to of kind of style of iraq when i was in afghanistan. so i have some experience on the ground that i'm but let's not forget that i've done this time was boots on the ground. you know, i did speak when i was there in 2008. i think obama had about a 150000 soldiers to someone will correct me and comments probably. um, but yeah, we don't have the same situation. the pain and the missing component of the

soldiers, man, you know, and that can't go on forever. you know, i'm so let's get started. real trouble finding man, finding boots on the ground. and why will do i mean, he started to panic for me the, the, the reference in the columbus interview was it was a panic. a ration was one of the fast of motors, which is him personally, being removed, not the war. i kid, i'm slowing down, but to take tickets, just like up to just point to get, you know, i think something's got to give before the relationship collapses. and i think that seem right, very i. so is the military stand off at the moment? you know, russia is playing very kind of game. russia is not running a sleeves up a risk and high numbers of casualties. it just doesn't need to, you know, i mean, what's the media? it's literally everywhere and slowly beginning sort of knowledge that nato has made some miscalculations from the very beginning. and one of the biggest miscalculations they made it made was not being worry to find what organized in

terms of having a strategy from the beginning. having an idea about numbers every night is about what kind of was it was just so basically pick of date was just such a mess. a lot mess allowed russia the time to build that front line. that's 70800 kilometers from which is 45 light emissions now really to build real problem for you, crane and companies right to. so it, you know, it can mosey landscape took into the minutes, advisors and you still have debates or is that what it, what can we do? you know, we have to be active. we have to be seen in the world's media to be doing something . and that's why i think this don't show this issue is part of it is to keep the momentum going, but how long can rush it really pull it up without, you know, i mean, the miller channel this or we're talking about if russia went over the line if it's so there's troops into a particular pocket of you crying, where would it like you to be often? i'm not a bit of shallowness, but often the minute travelling this point, it's quite desa. some weather's rockets came from, you know, and is the breaking point is, does russia say no more of this b s?

we're going to go over the line. i'm going to send these people out and stop. this is, i think, to be, to be fair and both of you have valid points here and go back to georgia. i mean, i'm, i'm not a military expert either, but logic would dictate the length is the ukrainian counter offensive, completely sputter out, you know, but there's a lot of completely all that. and then the rest of it takes the initiative. i've predicted last winter, they would do it may be, bank will do it this winter a me so by the it, it obviously in this has seeped into the main stream. um this the offensive as exhausted itself. they and they just don't have their homes to continue forward. logic would dictate taking advantage of that george. well, i agree um, but i, you know, as i say that when i, i saw that they would do it last winter. they didn't do it now, maybe another, this went to, they've given the indication of the slab. so that's so, you know,

put in makes these the statements of zone, but he's given no indication that anything is going to change. maybe. well, that doesn't mean that he's going to review his hand at this stage, but again, it goes back to the question, i mean, ukraine kind of when this, what we know, you bring kind of a window swap. but the nato strategy is to make sure that rupture, those are when this was, they weren't late. the latest strategies, let's just basically keep as well going. i mean, that's basically just keep draining a rock show. now for us, you know, the price of that is that you're also draining your brain, but that as long as the rush is getting drain, then who knows what might happen in russia, and they've figuring out what may be that they'll be a and i get it in all the goals and i'll be some of the, some kind of a or public opinion will turn again. i've been 17 because the of them, i'm not exactly not the ninety's every day is something we'll give. that's the live,

the strategist, they play. and that's why i think that russia's point of view is they should wrap this up. i mean, at the end of the time was giving advice so, but you know, obviously i don't know the all the logistics they have, they should they essentially mound a serious of the i'm going to, i'm going to tear page from george. i'm going to show you some of george's words right back. and which i actually agree with is that one of the reasons why they have and thrusted more robustly into ukraine is because they always have to keep the, the, the possibility of going to an all outcome or with need to. okay. and that's another dilemma that they have, but that wasn't my point. george mike brought that up over a year ago. mark me after that. yeah, i mean, you know, it's, it's, it's so strongly that when you look at the bigger picture and you say, well, we had to follow the triangle, which was a huge, filed a mo, both a zone which should have kept on both sides content. you know, there was not a nature threatened nature of the front line, but now if we go, if the escalates,

um we, we, we, and the russians actually do have some sort of operation. they could come suppose border, so there be no, no buffers, and a to know distance. that's all between nato and russia, which i'm sort of defeats the whole object. so yeah, we have a cause, but there's a lot of nato and rushes. barker is interested in a fight ramos out of time if i want to talk about this strange person named ashton carrillo, of this person's name. i'm going to try to avoid the pronouns here. so i have to say, oh, okay. oh, okay, now you gotta, yeah, yeah. you know, i was a real oddity. this conflict is great and lot of the oddity and this is probably the peak oddity. um, the last 2 video this i'm referring to this person is an american citizen that has been hired to do p r propaganda know spokesperson for the grades. and, and i saw these videos i, every time i think it some name, it's

a joke and they keep telling is it's not we want to take this one, which one, but i think it's a very interesting that there is a person obviously very dis, the serious mental health issues, a very serious issue with identity who this person is. it's entirely fitting to this is the sort of should be this photos of the board you brought in because your brain is, i think, a very sick country with a serious identity issues. i think it's a, it's a match. we didn't have a the market. yeah. because i mean that i have to assume, but i'm directly indirectly. this is funded by the us government aspect. well, i some, i talked about miscalculation before. you know it, the biggest belief, the number of poor decisions that i made by the pentagon. all, they've been a bind the ministration. this just seems to be another one, the less of a freak shot. less just will this transgender kind of

a monster. and this is, this turns a certain amount of messages from your brain to the world. you know, hey, we've already with somebody who's a liberal, we have trans transgender people. ready i mean, give them public service jobs, you know, spokesperson, but even also suppose person spokeswoman spokes ma'am. spokes thing. i don't know where i'm going here. even i suppose to put something in a c. p is not very good. unless that's my problem. i don't know a problem with your transgender level problem. what race you? well, you know what you're really is believe. so when you've gone can animals on a sunday afternoon, why have a problem with is if you any good, all your message and this person is a in the so that's why i'm a little distracted by it. but you know, this person, you know, martin, george, is it a, a russian polk spokes person talk like that. it would then turn, that would blow up. ok. but this, which is, you know, take, taking passively. it's really quite remarkable. anyway, i'll be needs the lens,

the interview with the economy as you know, you know, you, you don't know what we're capable of. and in the gentleman, unfortunately, we've run out of time on a think, my guess in budapest and america. so north like our viewers. but watching us here in our dc and next time, remember, crossed up rules. the rules for that, just doing your workforce from the start out is how could i escape goodness, to, to resolve, to not get bored or to someone you off, crash them during the 1st of all you've seen, where do i do? i need to do that mostly the way of using this new. do

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