may make them both more influential and the fact of, while others says that it may delude or even a gate, it's whole purpose is safe. 10 will personally comfortable. development in these in numbers will discuss it. i'm now enjoyed by alex a muscle of director of the institute of asian and african status as most of the state university. and myself is great to talk to thank you very much for your time . thank you. now let's talk about bring speakers and it's a large man's because unlike its founding members, the new brakes participants, and i want to mention them for our audience, argentina, fmc, o, p, a, egypt, iran, saudi arabia, and united emares, their regional rather than global powers. and the regional actors tend to be more limited conditional, circumspect in how they throw that power around, how they make decisions. what do you think it's main name for the organization as it goes for very well, 1st of all, the brakes you still don't organization is,

but yeah, that's and that's, that's very important because it's a platform and it was considered as a platform for discussion initially. but right now the nature of brief changed drastically. and the main idea of the collaboration between participant bridge parties because it's a calibration for the future world. and oldest countries of the have a come global view and global approach. and that's a very important point. that's the new participants, or potential participants, major regional powers. so the don't need money. they don't need or just some of them do some of the urging fina, for example. oh yeah. but look at the saudi arabia. they need the rich of nation financial recognition. they need a platform for discussion for the future, a financial 3 corporation banking called duration. so they are ready to participate in the new bridge back. so it's a very uh, very new kind of

a bank and financial logistics. they hear that they need more reliable mechanisms spoke with duration. that's why such and such countries developed together. now you um, outlined the motivation for the regional powers, but what about grace power is because arguably, what unites all of them just by the old cultural and social political differences is somewhere in c and silver and cheese. uh, you know, it's not just an aspiration, it's something that you either have or not, and it's a value. it's also a liability and not many countries have it. many countries when wanted do you agree that the regional powers and disregard the more limited than the grace ones and on the great ones and now diluting the power by having to deal with these regional players who may have other lines as on the side all the question is, uh, what the greek power agree. poway major bar. right. and they'll just buy initial.

uh so for example, maybe 3 uh, development. uh uh, the main factor. how brief i was good. the effect to the world affairs global affairs regional affairs. so for example, we know a lot of a very great financial economic bars that don't have any kind of effect to be a world development, for example, japan or any other countries for you who speak about the rich countries of different countries. for example, china, india, or russia, are they, in general have different aspirations. but the reason one very important coming feeling be assistance, is this with these patients over the present a conditional brain conditions? and that's why that's a man. uh, there wasn't a time in the area, right, right. they want to the 1st of all, they want to be a very important review of ours. but at the same time, they don't want to pushed forward the optimization for the world. the 1st because

regionalization and optimization, it's a different kind of yeah. do you think the regional numbers for joining breaks now sharing dissatisfaction with us that are the western way former? absolutely, absolutely. because the wants to develop the, the, we just, all the congress is very important players in the world. a 1st at the same time, the simple, the nation economies. because uh, for a long time, the were affected by the globalization, global brands and global financial and make it easy. but right now the book put much more attention to the initial developing financial uh, scientific, uh, academic educational, it said for etc. so they need much more read your support, but at the same they want to be engaged to be coming to make it. he's so brakes and just we're just with a platform on the oldest aspirations. i've heard somebody uh,

one of the prominent russian observer suggests that with its expansion bricks has started in a franchise. and what is being distributed under these franchise is not some concrete policy, but rather a policy mode. one that prioritize is sovereignty, but also prioritize this relationship relational framework over in needed disagreements. so it's not only a silver and decision making rooted in your national interest, but also understanding that the relationship is something valuable. do you agree with that? uh, not truly shall stressed. trust is much more reliable. is much more for the difference. all the difference is a great because uh the, to the uh, situation uh for could read and everything that was uh, connected to the funding. yeah. uh, each country try to fight against go beat by itself and not over the come and make it easy was watched out was uh, bring to life. and it means they means that the,

what is part of the menu is racial organization. there is a very high level of nice pressed and breaks try to put for the a do over the trust just in several theories or several aids, for example, financial for infrastructure projects. so the connection to every country is, is connected with another company. so it's not something use something new, it's a trust and other important for a point that the rigs is very flexible structure. the, there is no any very uh, height of a different level. only membership like in the show high corporation res agents. there's a lot of servers, old members, just participants c codes, but participate to be in digital, the different categories of the different negotiations. but at the same time, not to put much more much attention or obligations to follow some rules so that the flexibility is very attractive. that is your mention of

flexibility. and i think we leave in times of relational freedom. i would even say geo political permit security when many countries um, you know, choose their partners situation that we without long was strong commitments. um and you know, the choice of partner you know, can be today, but if could be different tomorrow. what's the purpose then for breaks existence at all? because you mentioned that they have trust, but there is also some predictability within the, within that structure. oh, why would you have if you can agree, everything on the bilateral basis. oh wow. well yeah we, um, we used to live in the world of plus and minus all different kinds of pro western or pro eastern approach, any use of pro russian. that's a very old dated approach to the world affairs look to the development of the brakes. brakes was brought to life when the sedition was completely different.

economic sedation and political solution for the sedation, for example, that time chatting, the res, it's a very foss. india was on the top of the development. by the way, we seem for brazil this thing waiting for the south africa, but to distribution completely changes. it's not, it's kind of a platform for the companies that in the state of the press the transfer and develop. and it's a platform for the company that is very connected to the ag, over the lumper, like the ration on different kinds of fluid increased power in this world. they want, i'm not going to far, you mean again don't. and then the uniform, right? as a nation, gaze is alisha. again, you still fighting, you and the crew crushing the, the trade since the world, right? so use them. so all congress will work, for example, for the open frontiers for trade and financial uh, oil companies would for re open banking

a corporation or for the open olibo marcus. so the least the move is, comes is a very different in the me solution on lasers. but at the same time, in the, in the, the try to go to full the same we, for the open markets in the very unstable world. now, in one of the recent interviews he wrote about the brakes. now having to formulate not just the goals of the development, but the meanings of the development, then meetings and next essential categories find more profound than any practical goal. do you think a nation so such different cultures? background systems can ever agree on such a thing as, as the meaning of the right develop. well, because we, we're leaving the world that was created by the trait by the open frontiers. but it's a historical, a period that we over 80 uh,

thoughts and right now we should understand what as the meaning of the development of our 4 countries and of, oh our evers. but each country right now has its own concept totally development, shenise, russian. even the united states, but not all countries share the same idea, so we should understand what is common for every one of us and what is different to be different. it is not a bad thing, but we should understand what re the wheeler a fictions between us. so the main idea to firmly be meetings, the main ideas. what does it mean for us, the global world? what do we want? for example, for me it say, we owe it see a view over the open data cation. because if we don't need very highway high level, it means that we can share the same idea of the same ideals and the same for be afraid that well should be open. but we can have to keep some free shows in the

political understanding that stuff and but, but i think so, and one can help are a result of another. i mean, if you have shared common language, it is easier to have a reasonable and reasoned argument over a things that separates your executive in one of the meet you. what is the highest the value of this world? and what is, i mean the inner pavement? people have been asking that for millennial. right? so for me it's a personal human development. so everything that should be done it should be done for the res. oh will, will the quality of life all the individuals? well, um, interesting that here, leave me to my next question and it's exactly on that's something because you're near namesake, abraham maslow, an american psychologist of your premium defense formulates in the famous pyramid of needs. starting from says illogical necessities. i'm going all the way to self actualization. do you think that would be applied to collect his psych is as well

as a nation start thinking about don't just development the you know, getting by. but the meaning behind that development doesn't to signify some new level in social progress. yes, i think so because the single, the basic meetings, the basic of the month already done. so always countries on noting the not being the best state. i mean a, there isn't all speculation. economics, there are different kinds of different level all the development. but this thing them, all companies are develop uh, in different speed. pending is they have the own efficient for the next developing and the for the next step. so the next step should be dumping the weight, what the, what the, the, the future of the regional and come, you know, development. because we have several, the globalization, we have globalization. but right now we have comedy lose the issue, the connections between different. so i want to say here in the form it's a, i mean like there, there isn't a system that there is certain country that knows the way and everybody else has to

sort of, to, to, to the needs of the in lights and one. right? yes. but at the same time, not too much countries, i'm really keen to be induced to beat me for me to come utilization means that we could connect, it's always it's the same time disconnecting other ways. for example, we could not agree with the really just the use and other a little the friction in this way, but at the same time we can go 3 d, b 3. so what the look at the present day situation. for example, if you look 10 years ago who voted for the open front of the 3 frontier united states, let's say see, everything should be open and transparent. but right now the united states put a lot of the measures against china, russia, iran. so right now sharon is both of the open frontiers. well, uh that's a very interesting from the cold it uh for a couple of minutes. we have to take your or a short break,

but they will be back in just a few seconds. the other way, not to see what's printing, what was that up at one of the sons of this. so basically of course we

need the last name was needed. read it was can, will be used to live you much and we have some more for someone who was this, we would show new people to the, the, the broken back to wells of alexi must log director of the institute of asian and african studies at the most co state university, mr. muscle. and before the break we started talking about the differences that

exist in the world and also um you know, potential synergies. and even without the slightest expansion of breaks the, there was a 4 disagreements at the base of breaks primarily between india and china. and those 2 countries also have very different views on how the organization or how the grouping should evolve uh, in the future. do you think there's differences now late to arrest, or do you think they may be exploited as the platform expands and perhaps there are some counts within it? unfortunately, i think that it's a legacy of history. so it will come, there's good, don't forget some problems. so that happened in the 100 years ago, one adults and 2 years ago, or so the only way or from the solution, just to forget it for some periods of time. because there are a lot of much more important steps that should be done. so that's why, oh, this friction for them between china and india or india. in fact,

the stock should be a parked from the more so really the hard because i mean russia and china also had, i think, roughly 8000 border disappear and disagreements. and yet, there was a painstaking process of addressing those under these countries. now have a very design developed relationship on what they have, let's say 20 years ago. shouldn't be put on hold or rather what, what is in the way of india in china, you know, coming together looking at that border disputes. and also looking at the, you know, all the potential benefits that then missing hours for of this piece is very of the, particularly is very, the individual said, these are for somebody who speak about the washington, the sedation, or many years ago. we had a lot of problems, but look at the present day situation. oh, problems already regulated by agreements and 1st full by the communications. rushing share and um,

i really need to how to go behind all these programs because we have much more in for the final task. if i know goals wider thing, india and china haven't arrived there yet because they also have many potential gains from right because the percent of the same place is yep. yep. and rush, h and the, the, have a separate the development to doesn't mean that chinese much more for the lesson for that the russia, they pretend to be a different kind of regional powers. so, but in the same time, if we will be able, right, know if there were delete always or just opening up regularly. but just to forget for, for awhile some problems. it means that we could not develop the level all the economic, economic level, all the congress, your mention china, and right now it's a advocating similar values. similar approaches to once the united states stood for like 15 or 20 years ago, a free trade, the separation of trade and politics,

etc. are you confident that the sooner or later china will not adopt not only uh, the, the values of the united states, but also it's very not cold bully like style of getting what it wants. well no one, know the future for, for sure. but at the same time, we can see that the solution in china and india and in the united states for the last couple of years for sometimes for the last couple of coffee, it changes fell off slope to the economic sedation. china. we can see the vehicle sign of stagnation is what the cries us. but anyway, it's a problem. uh the only way how to get 3 oldest problems. just to develop much more equity for good negotiations with the neighboring countries like india, what i see on the country. so the only way, how is the result of this question is

a corporation. and if we can forget all these problems, i mean political progress. so he's throwing up our was, we said the only wait, how we can get 3 to all these situation. now, there were a couple of countries, nigeria, algeria, indonesia, that were widely expected to make it into the 1st wave of expansion. but some result there is now even the confusion that whether they wanted it or not, whether they have applied for bricks, membership on, on. do you suspect any western modeling in there? yes, i think so. i think there is a very huge pressure to always congress from western world because the brakes just for, for the last couple of years try to present or just to just step by step to move forward. the a new, the new world configuration. that is the old site or already existing blocks. and

many countries of the full was a d. o would be in the flexibility. but sometimes i'm really afraid to be in several camps at the same time. so at least with 10 is uh, cooperation with different books, codes, push country in the, from the, the good connection with, for example, united states for china to be back back yard, all these world politics. but the way from my point of view, weight brakes is much more effective for like who are the and for example, us guy, corporation organizations because it's much more flexible and soft weight of corporation. but on the other hand, there's countries who are not yet ready on bold enough to join. they're still gaining all the benefits of being associated with brakes. members on, by electro, are basis or even on their group level, or what, what, what race could to be present to other congress?

first of all, it's a corporation in the infrastructure project. spend the 1st point, and if you will, you want to be engaged. the oldest party, the money. so these, the, it means that you should address to the new brakes back. that's a east countries. good. so i lose all of it. yes, they could complete without any, but this the valuable alternative source or a friend of s on the right. yeah, that is id. you know, the question is the question of the expertise. if you want to develop some logistics or infrastructure or rail or, or you need a new, a new stuff. so how to, how to get this experience. so you, you should invite some one with some groups for some of the companies. so it's much more attractive to do it is site, the site is one organization, the one platform. so it's a very 1st of all, it's a regional good duration, but the leasing type is much more effective than the global ideas. and with all of

the real effects, now you mentioned the words expertise, and i want to rely on your african expertise to ask you particularly about nigeria, because it's africa's most populous country, which is now being actively of course, in by washington, has been in the news recently that nature and present, she knew who is the only african literature by then wants to meet on the sidelines of the un general assembly. this month tends to, you know, that americans don't make such overtures uh, likely or without an agenda. what do you think is the western agenda here? well, what's your agenda agenda means means a, a personal invest through the local development. but at the same time, we invest the local education, who is the key, the local people in what language? usually, what kind of textbooks and what kind of technologist. so it means that if you already get it in the western this i, you said we were system, there's you in the future, will you buy your supply western technologies. so and they do it it's, it's not just a very populated country,

it's according to the ivory guest on there's, it's a very highly developed country. so that's why united states straight to play a very specific role in these place. i, they, i only nigeria, or are they also hoping to use nigeria as connections within the continent to wilner then? uh, and the journey is it is a jumping point to the jump in words to other african countries. whether the same time we have a lot of all the players in african for example, china, which control a lot of ports, seaports all around the african seashore. and the same time we, we can see the increase of the russian flower, not as much as, for example, china. but the same time the russia complete is separate through uh, for example, in the a root culture production in the supply. and we've called all the green production, etc, etc. so right at the same time, in the education. so we in the future will have much more important bread placed in

the africa. and it means that, and they do it as well as all that often comes. congress will have much more in the choice. now, speaking about the rest of the power next to your break searching presidency is moving to russian. you already mentioned several areas where russia could be, uh, helpful education. uh, a great cultural expertise. are there any other areas where russia could contribute in a fair way in a mutual way to the development of breaks and it's a members right. besides that, we already spoke about that. first of all, it's a medici and the pharmaceutical, a good duration and bill farm and other including tele medicine. we already have a very, very good infrastructure full of telemedicine and we couldn't go expert it at the same time. and the most important point for russian african cooperation indication being very specific. uh erase. for example, once again, it's a medicine,

a root culture and the new every culture of journal entry. for here we'll georgia young and new technologies. and for example, financial technologies look at the do a little be leaving the russian backs of the, i mean, i think they'd be digitalization over the russian box. maybe one of the best in the world. well, let's pick out for you to, i guess that's uh, the only question i have time for this past summer. russia hosted enough for consignment as we to load them and put in send the most boy is also ready to offer the african continent, the technologies of governance. and it's interesting because for many in the west west, you're still associated with the ramp of corruption. but actually, if you look at the quality of public services in russian that it has an increased substantially. do you think this is something that uh, rational bricks in general would be exploring, you know, new approaches to governance and new approaches to the meaning and the goals of

developments? yes, i think so each day and it's not just the kind of a special thing for the local administration. it's a completely good re, uh, reconstruction overly. we hopefully state the state to state the level thinking for example, level of effort. you and congress, as well as the asian congress, the, the full was the a dual, the school, the dependent development. so it means that the, the, the, the defense from the so well because the whole list, the states, they do more than this depends on the, as i've tried to find the correct world. yes. but anyway, it's to be independent. it's not just the how to develop economics, it's it how to defend the develop your mentality. so and uh, one of the very important, a russian uh the, the issue of development. it's uh, reconstruction over the mind to the uh, to develop with the brush up with the last 5 years left. and he is, it's

a week with much more attention to the national ideas and initial ballast. but at the same time, it's stuff of what it was, the russian idea, the breaks old connections with other countries. because when you develop your own ideas, you could be not very pleasant to all the company. so to, so just to stay in your place to be if you'll nation ideas, it's a very important and 1st of all it's very important for the state that ministration . yeah, it brings us back to your name's sake of our home. uh, mass load that owns development ultimately leads to self actualization. both on the individual and national level. mr. my slow, it's been great pleasure talking to thank you very much for the video, dynamic conversation. and thank you for watching and hope to hear again and was a part of the

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