so outlined the motivation for the regional powers, but what about grace power is because arguably what unites all of them despite all the cultural social political differences is sovereignty and silver and cheese. uh, it's not just an aspiration, it's something that you either have or not. and it's a value, it's also a liability and not many countries have it. many countries say when one test, do you agree that the regional powers and disregard them or limit then then grace wants to end on the great ones and now diluting the power by having to do with these regional players who may have other alliances on the side all the question is, uh, what a great power agree poway major by right. and they'll just by may show, uh, sort of for example, maybe 3 uh, development uh uh, the main factor. how grief i was with the effect to the world affairs, global affairs, regional affairs. so for example, we know a lot of

a very great financial economic bars that don't have any kind of effect to the world of open, for example, japan or any other countries. it for you who speak of all the rich countries, different countries, for example, china, india, or russia, or they in general have different aspirations. but the reason one very important, come on the feeling, the assistance with this, with these patients over the present, a city shall break the conditions. and by that the man, uh there was sometime in the area, right. right. they want to the 1st of all the want to be a very important regional powers, but at the same time they don't want to push forward the optimization. all the world offers because realization and optimization. it's a different kind of yeah. do you think the regional numbers for joining breaks now sharing dissatisfaction with the sort of the west in a way for right?

absolutely, absolutely. because the wants to develop the, the original all the congress is very important players in the world. a 1st at the same time, the simple, the nation economies. because uh, for a long time, the were affected by the globalization, global brands and global financial and making these. but right now, the pool with much more attention to the initial developing financial, uh, scientific, uh, academic educational it says right to address. so they need much more regional support, but then the same, they want to be engaged to be coming to make any so breaks and just we do just want a platform on the oldest as per aspirations. i've heard somebody uh, one of the prominent russian observer suggests that with its expansion breaks, has started and a franchise. and what is being distributed under these franchise is not some concrete policy, but rather a policy mode one that prioritize

a silver and to buy the old. so prioritize this relationship relational framework over in needed disagreements. so it's not only a sort of decision making routed into your national interest, but also understanding that the relationship is something valuable. do you agree with that? uh, not relations trust. trust is much more reliable. is much more what's the difference or the difference is a great because uh to, to be a situation uh for could read and everything that was connected to the funding. yeah. 2 each country try to fight against go beat by itself and not over the come and make it easy, was worked out. what was the bring to life. and it means it means that the, what is part of the menu is racial organization. there is a very high level of mistrust and brakes try to put for the a new only trust just instead real serious or several ideas. the 1st on the

financial for infrastructure projects. so connection to every country is, is connected with another governors. so it's not something use something new, it's a trust and other important poor point that the rigs is very flexible structure. the there is not a need very uh, a different level only membership like in the shop high corporation. these agents, there's a lot of servers or members just 1st piece of us see cool, but to participate, to be in digital, the different categories of the different negotiations. but at the same time, not to put much more much attention or obligations to follow some rules. so that the flexibility is direct directive, that is your mention of flexibility and i think we leave in times of relational freedom. i would even say joe political for miscarriage here when many countries in which is their partners situation and we without long was strong commitments. um

and you know, the choice of partner you know, can be today, but if could be different tomorrow. what's the purpose then for breaks existence at all? because you mentioned that they have trust, but there is also some predictability within uh, within that structure. oh, why would you have if, if you can agree everything on the bilateral basis? oh wow. well yeah, we, um, we used to live in the world of plus and minus all different kinds of pro western or pro eastern approach. any use of pro russian. that's a very old dated approach to the world affairs look to the development of the brakes. brakes was brought to life when the cd issue was completely different. economic sedation and political series of the sedation, for example, that time chan. uh res. it's a very foss, india was on the top of the development. by the way, we seem for brazil listening, waiting for the soft got, but the distribution completely changed. it's not a,

it's kind of a plug for a full. the companies that in the state of press the transfer development, it's a platform for the company that is very connected to the ag, over the a month for like the ration on different kinds of, um, fluid exist power in this world. the one the negative for your mean again don't and then you're in a form, right? as a nation, the gays is alaysyah. again, you still fighting, you and the crew crushing the, the trade since the world trade system. so all councilors will work, for example, for the open frontiers for trade and financial uh, oil companies would for re open banking, good configuration. uh for the open olibo marcus. so they, uh, they at least uh, the lou this comes with a very different in the me solution on lasers. but at the same time of the um, the,

the try to uh, to follow the same. we fully open markets in the very unstable world. now, in one of your recent interviews here wrote about bricks. now having to formulate not just the goals of the development, but the meanings on their development, then meetings and next essential categories find will per found. then any practical goal, do you think a nation so such different cultures? background systems can ever agree on such a thing as, as the meaning of the right develop? well, because we, we live in the world that was created by the trait by the open frontiers. but it's a historical period that we already followed. and right now we should understand what as the meaning only developing a full hour for countries and of o. evers, each country right now has its own concept fully developed and jenny's russian,

even the united states. but not all countries shared the same idea, so we should understand what is come on for every one of us and what is different to be different. it is not a bad thing, but we should understand what re the wheeler a fictions between us. so the main idea to firmly be meetings, the main ideas. what does it mean for us, the global world? what do we want? for example, for me it say we owe it, see a view over the open indication. because if we indicated in the very high we high level, it means that we can share the same idea of the same ideals and the same for be afraid that well should be open. but we can have a still keep some refreshes in the political understanding. they smell it, but they think so, and one can help are a result of another. i mean, if you have shared common language here, it's easier to have a reasonable and reasoned argument over things that separates are exactly in the

one that was the main idea. what is the highest the value of this world and what is i'm in the inner paper and people have been asking that for millennial. right? so for me, it's a personal human development. so everything that should be done, it should be done for the res. oh, who will the quality of life all the individuals? well, um, interesting that here leave me to my next question and it's exactly on that subject because you're near namesake abraham maslow, an american psychologist, or for your premium defense formulates in the famous permit that means uh, starting from says illogical necessities. i'm going all the way to self actualization. do you think that would be applied to collect his psych is as well if nation starts thinking about don't just development, you know, getting by but the meaning behind that development doesn't that signify some new level in social progress? yes, i think so because the single, the basic meetings, a basic demonic,

already done. so all these countries, i'm noting the not being the best state, i mean a, there is no speculation in economics. there are different kinds of different level all the development. but this thing, them all come through to develop in different speed pending is they have the own vision for the next developing and the for the next step. so the next step should be dumping the weight. what the, what the, the, the future of the regional and come, you know, development because we have, it's of all the globalization. we have globalization. but right now we have communities issue the connections between different. so i want to say here in the form, it's a, i mean like there, there is and, and systems that there are certain countries that knows the way and everybody else has to sort of, to, to, to the needs of the enlightened one. all right? yes. but at the same time, not too much countries, a really keen to be induced to beat me for me to come utilization means that we

could connect is always at the same time disconnecting all the ways. for example, we could not agree with the religious views, and there are a lot of friction in this way, but at the same time we can go 3 weeks, 3. so what they look at the present, they should do issue. for example, if you look 10 years ago who voted for the open front of the 320 is united states, and this they see everything should be opened and transparent. but right now, united states put a lot of emitters against china, russia, iran. so right now sharon is void for the open frontiers. well, uh that's a very interesting sound, but hold it for a couple of minutes. we have to take a very short break, but they will be back in just a few seconds. switching the,

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welcome back to was a forest with alex c must loved the director of the institute of asian and african studies at the most co state university. mr. muscle. before the break, we started talking about the differences that exist in the world and also um you know, potential synergies. and even without the slightest expansion of breaks the, there was a 4 disagreements at the base of breaks primarily between india and china. and those 2 countries also have very different views on how the organization or how the grouping should involve uh, in the future. do you think there's differences now late to arrest or do you think they may be exploited? as the platform expands and perhaps there are some counts within it. unfortunately, i think that it's a legacy of history. so it will come, there's good, don't forget some problems. so that happened in the 100 years ago, 1000 years ago or so. the only way or from the solution,

just to forget it for some periods of time because there are a lot of much more important steps that should be done. so that's why oh, this friction for them between china and india or india. in fact, the stock should be a part from the more so really the hard because i mean russia and china also had, i think, roughly 8000 border disappear and disagreements. and yet there was a painstaking process of addressing those. and these countries now have a very defined, developed relationship when they have, let's say, 20 years ago, shouldn't be put on hold, or rather what, what is in the way of india in china, you know, coming together looking at the border disputes and also looking at the you know, all the potential benefits that them missing hours for this is very of the particularly is very the individual cities are for somebody who speak about the washington the sedation or many years ago. we had a lot of problems,

but look at the presentation creation. oh, problems already regulated by agreements and 1st of all by the communications rushing share and um, i really need to how to go behind all these programs because we have much more in for the final task. if i know goals wider thing, india and china haven't arrived there yet because they also have many potential gains from right because the percent of the same place is yep. yep. and rush, h and the, the, have a separate the development to doesn't mean that chinese much more for the lesson for that the russia, they pretend to be a different kind of regional powers. so, but in the same time, if we will be able, right, know if there were delete always or just opening up regularly. but just to forget for, for awhile some problems. it means that we could not develop the level all the economic,

economic level, only congress your mention china, and right now it's uh, advocating. similar valerie, similar approaches to once the united states stood for like, 15 or 20 years ago, a free trade, the separation of trade and politics, etc. are you confident that the sooner or later china will not adopt not only uh, the, the values of the united states, but also it's very not cold bully like style of getting what it wants. well no one, know the future for, for sure. but at the same time, we can see that the solution in china and india and in the united states for the last couple of years for sometimes for the last couple of coffee, it changes fell off slope to the economic sedation. china. we can see the vehicle sign of stagnation is what the cries us. but anyway, it's a problem. uh the only way how to get 3 oldest problems. just to develop much more

equity for good negotiations with the neighboring countries like india, what i see on the country. so the only way, how is the result of this question is a corporation. and if we can forget all these problems, i mean political progress. so he's throwing up our was, we said the only wait, how we can get 3 to all these situation. now, there were a couple of countries, nigeria, algeria, indonesia, that were widely expected to make it into the 1st wave of expansion. but some result there is now even the confusion that whether they wanted it or not, whether they have applied for bricks, membership on, on. do you suspect any western modeling in there? yes, i think so. i think there is a very huge, a pressure to always congress from western world because the brakes just for,

for the last couple of years try to present or just to just step by step to move forward. the, a new, the new world configuration. that is the old site or already existing blocks. and many countries of the full was a d. o would be in the flexibility. but sometimes i'm really afraid to be in several camps at the same time. so at least 10 is uh, cooperation with different books could push concrete in the, from the, the good connection with, for example, united states for china to be back back yard, all these world politics. but the way from my point of view, white breaks is much more effective for like who is and for example, as guy corporation organizations because it's much more flexible and soft weight of corporation. but on the other hand, there's countries who are not yet ready on bold enough to join. they're still

gaining all the benefits of being associated with brakes. members on, by electro, are basis or even on their group level, or what, what, what race could to be present to the congress? first of all, it's a corporation in the infrastructure project. spend the 1st point, and if you will, you want to be engaged. the oldest party, the money. so these, the, it means that you should address to the new brakes back. that's a east countries. good. so i lose all of it. yes, they could complete without any, but this the valuable alternative source or a friend of s on the right. yeah, that is id. you know, the question is the question of the expertise. if you want to develop some logistics or infrastructure or rail or, or you need a new, a new stuff. so how to, how to get this experience. so you, you should invite some one with some groups for some of the companies. so it's much more attractive to do it is site, the site is one organization,

the one platform. so it's a very 1st of all, it's a regional good duration, but the leasing type is much more effective than the global ideas. and with all of the real effects, now you mentioned the word expertise, and i want to rely on your african expertise to ask you particularly about nigeria, because it's africa's most populous country, which is now being actively of course, in by washington, has been in the news recently that nature and president, she knew who is the only african literature by then wants to meet on the sidelines of the un general assembly. this month tends to, you know, that americans don't make such overtures uh, likely or without an agenda. what do you think is the western agenda here? well, what's your agenda agenda mean? means a, a personal invest through the local development. but at the same time, we invest the local education, who is the key, the local people in what language? usually, what kind of textbooks and what kind of technologist. so it means that if you

already get it in the western this i, you said we were system, there's you in the future, will you buy your supply western technologies. so and they do it's, it's not just a very populated country, it's according to the ivory guest on there's, it's a very highly developed country. so that's why united states straight to play a very specific role in these place. i they, i only nigeria, or are they also hoping to use nigeria as connections within the continent to wells are then uh, and the journey is it is a jumping point to the jumping words to all the afternoon congress, whether the same time we have a little of all the players in african for example, china, which control a lot of ports, seaports all around the african sea shore. and the same time we, we can see the increases of the russian flower, not as much as, for example, china. but the same time the russia complete is separate through uh for example in

the uh, a recall ser production in the supply and we've called all the green production, etc, etc. so right at the same time in the education. so we, in the future, we'll have much more important bread placed in the africa, and it means that, and they do it as well as other of income congress will have much more mature. he's now speaking about the rest of the power next to your break searching presidency is moving to russian. you already mentioned several areas where russia could be, uh, helpful education. uh, a great cultural expertise. are there any other areas where russia could contribute in a fair way in the mutual way to the development of breaks and it's a members right decides that we already spoke about. so 1st of all, it's a medici and the pharmaceutical, a good duration and bill farm and other including tele medicine. we already have a very, very good infrastructure full of telemedicine and we couldn't go expert it at the

same time. and the most important point for russian african cooperation indication being very specific. uh erase. for example, once again, it's a medicine, a root culture and the new every culture of journal entry. for here we'll georgia young and new technologies. and the 1st on the financial technologist, look at the do a little be leaving the russian backs of the, i mean, i think they'd be digitalization over the russian bucks. maybe one of the best in the world. well, let's pick out for you to, i guess that's uh, the only question i have time for this past summer. russia hosted enough for consignment as we to load them and put in send the most boys also ready to offer the african continent. the technologies of governance, and it's interesting because for many in the west, russia still associated with the ramp of corruption. but actually if you look at the quality of public services in russian that it has an increased substantially.

do you think this is something that uh, rational bricks in general would be exporting, you know, new approaches to governance and new approaches to the meaning and the goals of developments? yes, i think so each day and it's not just a kind of a special thing for the local administration. it's a completely good re, uh, reconstruction overly. we hopefully state the state to state level thinking, for example, level of effort. you and congress, as well as the asian congress, the, the full was the a dual, the school, the dependent development. so it means that the, the, the, the defense from the so well because the whole list, the states, they do more than this depends on the right to find the correct world. yes. but anyway, it's to be independent. it's not just the how to develop economics. it's it how to defend the develop your mentality. so and uh, one of the very important,

a russian uh the, the issue of development. it's uh, reconstruction over the mind to the uh, to develop with the brush up with the last 5 years left. and he is, it's a week with much more attention to the national ideas and initial ballast. but at the same time, each step of what it was, the russian idea, the breaks old connections with other countries. because when you develop your own ideas, you could be not very pleasant to all the company, so to, so just to stay in your place to be at the on nation ideas. it's a very important and 1st of all, it's very important for the state that ministration. yeah, it brings us back to your name's sake of our home uh, mass load. that old development ultimately leads to self actualization. both on the individual and national level, mr. my slow, it's been great pleasure talking to thank you very much for the conversation. and thank you for watching and hope to hear again and was a part of the

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