solving able generating capacity to 6000 made all of these old lady a on the 9th. so i say contributing to to that could be there, but we need to expand the transmission lines. ok, so that way we'll to create a whole new generation is free shipping area as a way they say no capacity for me. a capacity point of view and those areas at the located in places that gives us the best wind speed. and if they, they put these ideas, shouldn't labor to your question? yes. what meetings to nice? 5 students. i appreciate that school needs to do more to ensure that we take the country out though for a locating we should be 80 talks to the, the ticket. they take mcculloch instrument that we use to balance and demand and a, and supply when demand fi exceeds supply. so we really deny people that i 2 and a c t, and that's one to con. locate him, but we are confident, i mean on the side goals and the brakes and assigned me to engage and with brakes

members and the chinese engage with the that i she and to engage with the indian. so, i mean, if you go to that i, she and so forth there that it would prefer to exploit old power stations at that ending on quote. and those are the conversations that to one, to have to help us to ensure that we have an image of the ability to fix that at the moment. so the cd, so that we can add that as an image of crisis in the con, speaking of that, it's a little late to minister do, wants us to touch on breaks and chime in a little bit. what depends from the russian and is, but i just wanted to take it a step back minister with regards to, to carbon emissions. we do understand and we are seeing that south africa is moving, seemingly faster than other nations when it comes to, to reducing our reliance on quoting, we know the coal and such fossil fuels still have a very dominant space with in our own energy mix. we're seeing that the global north is contribution things started to

a common footprint at about 7 to 9 percent. why do you believe or see that there's more pressure on south africa to ramp up? in terms of that transition? little 1st day we make the point to where we know is that point taking the meanings to the 1st to say that the call you mean a significant day and domain and image of she also assume the company and the any intention to close a and the quoted fired, power stations will undermine our ability to recover from a locating point of view. is this thing that kind of 88 percent of freight install capacity in energy to innovation a, in the country. so it's important that they faced, we argued, and we're successful in making the point that we were needing to delay the commission. so to continue to expedite this asset so you can see the space, the speed we through the week a with a corner we can be able to accommodate that speed and whether you have the right financing in place. and we know from the neighbor point of view, is that the, the,

the, the rely on the, the tendency of phasing out. so what that means is that on the own, they love be able to give you a quick assistance supply of energy using time retained. and finish lagos as things are also not designed to take the amount of sage on the accounts and a given time insight into the the disappear. so the include the on the existence or piece load. and coal is an important part of the plan to a meetings. i shouldn't be of buying that. equalization shooting would be that all it must be both play. i say a, if you look at the profile to offer any determination for them to you able to the solar p, v a. usually those electrons say after the mining peak and before the often in peak, essentially the time when you need it the most upset. but that doesn't mean that the you might have funding that transition is how you mixed those with a, with a, with base load and all. so the making all say a tv and when,

because when typically i'm installing the nag when you don't have tv. and then you have a good, a need for the 2 studies, and we know that the, that taking on and just doing these 2 blocks because the most amount of studies a time you can have these a 4 hour so you need significantly significant chemo. so the plan we're making is that it's important that to delay the equipment shipping and we thought would be missing, tell protects to we fund any yeah, obligation to them by domain protection of emissions. and by invitation, the cost is to add to the environment and of course that they may change. and we know that these, the west, the teen very poor country is said, and the poor are the ones at the and the receiving end. we have experience in ga, we the flag say that that out in on of that. so it's important that we, we keep to those obligations to a point. and i was calling to say that ation is that the emission out of increased must come for the increase in christmas up for the technician that intakes and what

these before us. we have a, a, a, a 3 that these and the performing. so you need to make significant investments. they, you know, so what time they say these are the offer and compromise by 9 sheet or for one to 5 door for our energy provider, which is really a domain and make it clear on the generation side. and then we're gonna put you on the transmission side, feeling what they want to make the necessary investments. and that's why they municipal finance as they have provided. if he's got an injection of, of about a total beyond. yes, the us to have a in the investment in the maintenance or abuse assets. and that's why you're seeing that kind of going to an improvements that do i see? so the key, the ends important a and show that they face to meet the nation that interest i do doing i'm, i am finding or link wish you had his points would be due to, to the in the environment and also a button and a, a issue that you're looking technician out, of course,

this means by this that some point is why these items seem to base interest of the company. and all of the things were supporting age. to that, i really don't see any tension. you can achieve both. and the zip point that created one meeting, and you find that the orientation on the country, and that is an issue on the energy crisis, is taking that shape, solving interest. and then i going to mention that open cations and, and of course say ensuring that the quint continue to protect, then bound speaking of tensions minister and a new work in ensuring that funds africans, on given the rights to electricity. you also come across a lot of sick backs when it comes to mitigations told to us about that risk. and who specifically are these entities that give the push back and how much of a subject as a cause in your line of work? what do you think the next thing i renew a significant amount of resources? so there's a discovery. okay. i see other parts of the country who should we be key to the growth of the car and side, any people come up with weight or post that day. and of course, the,

some of that would be misinterpreted to things i can put in fresh these a, we have democratize the space, so all the voices will be hit closing point thing. and then these are the guys that i change. the concrete is called the pix, called physical, his teachers, and of course, people can, can go through those processes. but are we seeing that the, in the close of the united between put them, that's why it was to protect. so that for guys increased, i think we can benefit the immensity from the say endowments by do i do 9 to put you need to, to benefit from, from those endowments? i mean, it could be that example. now, we are recovering 3 units a to one of the newest power stations, quasi. and really we need a temporary solution to make sure that we're able to get 2400 me though it's on line and then signing the objections. now, you know, a submission, we accept that you put in a revision to ensure that to protect communities and environment, provided the company is blank for now we want to do that. but the see continues to

be persistent. and then if we are not the content that relates to be able to ensure that we put in place by template, either solution as soon as of and will pay my name, solution, new equipment that we need a a to provide that money solution. so we have another english that data is supposed to be. so if, if we had denied that the, why, the community that they saw that from can you call and we will continue to call. that's what people will be out of jobs. people will be subjected to have and, and essentially, you know, going to and that might not be to provide a social age to provide social commands to poor households, to provide if we access with tight and electricity, we do leasing our country for poor households, child grand for my last week with children by that they don't have any form of income we provide for that. we provide for young people who go to higher education for them for background, for the higher education. so even the economy and on that please, that we have

a new fund contacts. they need to means that government doesn't have the space to provide that different all for a social wage. and essentially things that they could be casualties. and some of them could be these programs, of course. so for the options of going out to portal, the portal really needs again the i've been some on the organization to say the stores and the budget difference. it continues to grow for these things and we have the same resources that can help us to recover. although the so i think there's a genuine conversation that these and decided on balancing those. so essentially easy and that i told people to ensure that they insist on that and assuming obligations to the environment to that's a given day. i say that is a legal architects have to have that. and then ultimately is what using their best interest of the con there. so you don't have to spend all ok clauses. it is

important that they don't undermine our procreation. and always in the concrete cultivates, and then you're unable to assess team level to, to, i'm unable to meet some of those, the basic attendance of constitution on, on. i'm going to show that that there's this in the and has came that these provided people have access to the electricity household in the like 15 months. we had the full effect by mistake me to generate these. so we have a new and was seating one significant amount of in the endowments for them kind explain those for the other punch or the last one of these last thing though, they can explain. i mean quote for, i've seen a significant sage and explore the quote he's going. so my someone has been in, of course, and we know where the destination, by the way, and he told them we can't do it. i thing that day. it's a, it's a form of issue, a significant disadvantage to this so that we can population and our interest. and that's, i didn't put in that for me having those conversations how to find schools. and we

thing that you can do both if you like, and can continue to explain these resources, mitigation measures, what have you guys to them for the face to be invited on me. but also the writing a significant amount of evidence to this. i definitely can call them in the population one to believe those push back exists minnesota? well i, i guess say that the in the, in the, in the these causing the ad i know for a 160. yeah. those who, who might not a fiction. the prospect will face of africa growing to become a powerhouse. i mean, we, in, when we pas, when we pause risk all the ingredients and for us to be able to what i say from even way we, uh, i mean, is i speak to for the most industrialized country on the clinton and we have significant prospect in terms of these endowments, and if you'd like to say that i could, tx, i really gotta, that's just

a check that finds a banking and financial sector in the county constitutional order. i mean, we have a whole lot of course. basically, i can imagine that it would be, as i say, in the positive, that was who would go and see who see a ticket in view of our prospects, and therefore can seek to undermine a that procreation. but it really i'll use a little attention will be given to those. but i think of where the capacity to these off because it's as we enact the slowest. and let me emphasize including obligation to the environmental protect for you also need to exploit these sites. and in the men in which we exploit them, a from us not this update from our obligations intention of treaties. but our face, the objective is the side of african people and they put on a to find out and this patricia and exclusion. and ensure that they would one plus by say it's a, it's a problem is it was made to the country as a governing fight to ensure that we left for no one should be left behind. and you

can see that they say you can see that the amount of equipment in tease constituencies that being left behind, waiting for exhaust seating one basically. so i don't think that is a country that goes through that just full times and say ok, it's fine. let's see, to finish. i think it's important that the find way of ways of tipping into that. why submitting obligations and who is in that space to undermine our efforts to sit in that a conversation. the primary line is the stage to lead the church and say, this is how we see the future. an expert on this, i say most certainly do you see any challenges in south africa's transition to green energy as being pushed by wisdom countries? way i can safely say any evidence i will not be full in that direction. but all i'm saying is that we know at these interface interest. so hawk on to see things to have resource. and a resource by the is, this is also the, the,

the that for more few inside the, the, me, the point that the significant, the quality deposits and these kind of ideal gas, like i said, air resource, including the past, the, that issue level, the amount of sign some of the best wind speed. so we took formulation of those together. and like i said this, i didn't find that a choice. and on this over the, we suppose the 45 days and, and a, an energy mix that saves the interests of the country and accepting that the l as in technologies for knowledge and f king code, if you like. the issues of nuclear, we've seen in many parts of the was wanting to exploit yuki as an energy source. and we know these most singular problem 3 and then with a repeating what single competing there was that is powered by his example, excessive p. v. and when they rely on the existing, solve for a base note and with the about to me, the face con thing that was to do with that. and that's, i think putting that they,

you know, i teach a nation of a and integrated the resource planning, which is a government day and a 2 for the policy document. or now we're going to get various sources sophie, for an easy solution to be part of the mix in that you're going to find that for what everything present. of course a, the increase in doing that was for the explanation compared to where we are today. and that's the most concrete designation or confirmation that i'll fall off of when we come into to the couple in a say, and ensure that as we move into the team, that technologies, that doesn't mean you are finding feel onto. so it's, it's not at all, not at all minister the f, a good time at summit was held in tenure, promoted for alternative energy sources. do you believe that african countries will be able to take the mentioned to the own hands for not relying on the waste? oh yes, i mean if you come to think of it. and so we have at least let's say in relation to

a good idea should live in that i said some of the best quality over the idea she lives is on the continuance of free cuttings. i amongst those the close alliance of the various countries, the wind speeds found the and, and then we also have access to, or to the c, n g. i'm talking really on the solutions or the technologies associated with the 9th. and i say, so that's why on the sidelines all that the sudden is of africa. well part of life include freed category nitrogen alliance, all a salesman, i need the a t a e g for tanya. and part of that we just broke. i'm go a and e c o p a into the mix. so it's in that emission, all 3 african countries that it's high time. that's the 1st we define the i didn't and, and, and now to use our resource and also for the beneficiaries. you know, if that was a, you know, resource, i mean, if you look at the little lies and the primary importing the protection of the left

. otherwise, us falling on the queen today between us and see my we worked about 90 percent of non collecting them, group of methods which are key to and the coordination of the internal combustion engine to what you see fit in that technologies that will be key on their clean items here. so it's important that 1st is about in a position all save a lot of resources to explain to each we need to collaborate. but also the degree to which we've been, if you see he was on the back of the nation, c t little kindly, the able to industrialize the able to create jobs and you know, forms of skills. and they see fanatics. that's the thing that explains as opposed to taking out there on the 2014 big. so what 16 we the, so 16 with all the inconvenience, if you like, because the western countries, the pay money markets because of the size of the economy. but if you who you're going to be the future is that most toyota exporting, letting you of

a slightly exporting this, i have them on the list day that we have the kind of wind speed that you have for us. if you're not able to finish a sheet on a lease using leisurely, so this is just the pre let in to say hello. think all of our associates raising the form offer a invested in a is a she, in the form of growth that want to see for you in the future must have a cause and a, a. and that getting this good for democratic teddy speak. some kind of move like before, i think we need to do the funding and the conversion from the combustion engine into a more team. the forms of a proposition may rely on their resources at the vehicle. and that's a, a for you guys to speak in one voice to the extent that they can find a focus on 1st a meeting. it's on the a increased. and then of course, who would benefit from a waking. we've invested a nice lot because they'll of take us. i may need to appreciate that they,

they need physician has to have been in the area for or each speaking of one unison voice, do punched on pics any on. what's your view on the deepening ties between the brakes countries and how's the screen to help solve after? especially with regards to music, just when faced these at the end of multiple people, it's a say in terms of a letter or the configuration of politics. and so the police and people had and so the, as opposed to in aggregate, you know, a consultation all for and if you like, how i session and, and a how we see the, the outlook sitting in when exclusive 40 i thing like creating on the, on the same tests of how you think of the, with the orientation feel free. how while we, we think of, of that was and then he begins to democratize that conversation us categories that way on the petty face. i didn't need to details and that's why they expires,

you know, fabrics is an important part to or they, so they need to make a qualification for yearly. and but essentially is a like minded going out of the see the project 3 of develop, named going into a future force. there will be a, in time out of the, at the financing. so now we, we see as a, particularly that area. so the development model and the aggregate executive commitment to say that a free guy has a voice. so i thought i'm gonna be collecting that. maybe they need to be at the table the entire so the developing countries, me to take any time for that ation. but what that platform that i saved from a skew sliver of technology lever, it allows for, if you like a, the turn say, a offering to see a technologies and scale say, i think it's important this so that the least common thing, say c as a collection of countries say is the way to work intending that likely going to change that was for the beta including their own citizens. so think whole was that

the potential we have had a, a mens. they have been a fee to an example of waging the chinese and seeing us on imaging and see paula solutions that would be editing us on areas on how you can improve the performance of the c units. having the same conversation, we say with the and the that i see and same conversation with the indians and that, but i see and they've gone some of the so i made the point 80, i think she has with some, with the oldest day and the power stations, we'd say cool is if you ever so, so we have those so we can learn a lot from, from that day. so i think it's in the interest offer science and cooperation that we get to letting in. and then from each other, like i said, for many to cruise the point of view, they are low hanging fruit and who are beginning to totally those. speaking of russia, russell tends to build a power plant in south africa and is arranging full russian energy supplies to the country. alpha reaching, do you think these prospects will be in, in terms of such

a cooperation between south africa and russia? when a significant, i mean, like i said, we can do with a new generation capacity. i did see that the l n g guess if you like, is a form of transition, a safe to pass and let's say who team does that include that? i think we need to appreciate that the, when the company's executive voice approach is going to move from data to just absolutely key. and i did see i'm not familiar with any company in the way that their lives on the on t v. so like tv and we really just, the boys approaches who come home and the data sources of energy cases is that they don't know it's a sometimes i'll say they're publishing. and so we, we see this is a, is an opportunity to remember that we went to a temple some of the power station from being qualified to potentially guess. so you need the source for you to be able to,

to be covered. amazing. go that route and repose so he knows a lot of things that are going into the few tongue. i'm going to say regarding corporation. i mean you speaking of russia right now. you've previously said the china is a key partner the kuta software for k and in overcoming energy issues. can you explain on that? it is so fast that that statement is feedback from the way that they've been doing with them for the past 5 months or so. so 1st is on the net that i did reach you at able to bring that. are you able any resources on stream that? what about 600 that are thing 80 go us for a formulation of p b and and when they'd be yourself 80. and noah. and then they still have a, a free to offer a qualify as politician that the s o this i'll us by the continue to exploit those . but also the able to reduce the amount of, of emissions. and then they also have a emergency technology solutions to have, if you have in relation to the emergency generation. so that's a, that's

a potential that we see. we can say the same about the india. they've had the challenges out on day and, and makes the month what decarlo cheating breakouts. they've been able to resolve it and say the same about, but i see the fridge as a initiated the program to expand the equity to using a 22 forms all for financing. you can say the same up all day. and actually you that i say because some of the oldest pretty don't qualify as power station. they still couldn't seem to be like they have been a fee to them that so the only reason why we had looked at china, those conversations, i'm a chart. we're having similar conversations with a conference. i'm confident that there wasn't mitchell and then wouldn't make it then this idea announcement. and i think the benefit of to meet these 2 people is off with countries. so from a trading perspective, able to exports the schools into the country. a south africa,

the learn more about the dynamics and the configuration of the energy cost system. they include views of the big hole in expanding the unless they need. and then for i see said 3 in the morning, more people to a wic, one the shape of what the and the chinese are all fighting for the other to me please, please of the little shooting question can be quite an equal. we say the an existing wire take relation since i'm done, see there's a one week fee and, and that's why i use the equipment ization. is it part of is issues of the class. of course, i'm not talking and you call them a task, but just to expect the quotes to you that you for the nation of the interests that do my square feet. you're not seeing the chest a don't need anything the conversation except that the can learn something also for me i think less and the small as you. so i think age 11 of cordiality. i think ac is. he's a, he's a in cottage and that's why we have quite a few handles making significant loss. the minister,

the financing seminar is coming up. what do you and to achieve with, with these a to see how best we can work with the private sector as to whether for typing to the require you to that they, they have to be, they feed this off, we can include the expansion. and we really need to work with speed g d t, find ways of a, was the best, the solution into the degree, the expansion. so we need new any and finding soon. so i see. so we'll see with the financing for attending to and g o. s plus it was, but most of the things we can do also here from our p s, those we have done before. i can see these other pete falls is added missteps. please don't call me send it out to me. this for that's to me, that position, but if it can benefit from it, but that one was ation. and from that i'm show we should be in a position in the next thing. having to share, we see what the options are going for 5 minutes. so thank you so much for your time

today and for giving us these insights and i'm sure you were just cut out for you, but some of us could be in the top for many more years to come. so thanks for that . the, the watching is why is that, why in this control, if i give both plenty of the store and this, this just shows and i showed on gender and i'm not going to say last name scale. you know, when i am what i could catch at your desktop session. so let's just sean your guess is when you bought this one, you said almost in the the,

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