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in numbers or to discuss them now and join by alex, a must loan director of the institute of asian and african site is of the most of the state university. and myself. it is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you. now let's talk about break speakers and it's enlargement, because unlike its founding member is the new brakes participants. and i want to mention them for our audience, argentina, f o, p, a, egypt, iran, saudi arabia, and united arab emirates, their regional rather than global powers. and the regional actors tend to be more limited conditional, circumspect in how they throw that power around, how they make decisions. what do you think it's main name for the organization as it goes for very well 1st of all, the breaks the stilton for the zation is but yeah that's, that's very important because it's a platform and it was considered as a platform for discussion initially. but right now the nature of brief change

address calling and the main idea of the collaboration between the parties. but bridgeport, do you suppose it's a calibration for the future world and oldest countries, the have a come global view and global approach. and that's a very important point, that's the new participants or potential participants, major regional powers. so they don't need money. they don't need, well, just some of them do some of the are doing santa, for example. oh yeah. but look at the saudi arabia. they need that richard nation financial recognition. they need a platform for discussion for the future. a financial 3 corporation banking cont, duration. so the rate to participate in the new bridge back. so it's a very, very new kind of a bank and financial logistics the either they need more uh,

reliable mckinney's vocal ratio. that's why it's such and such countries developed together. now you uh, outlined the motivation for the regional powers, but what about great powers? because arguably, what unites all of them, despite all the cultural social, political differences is somewhere in c, i'm still going to use a, you know, it's not just an aspiration, it's something that you either have or not, and it's a value. it's also a liability and not many countries have it. many countries when wanted do you agree that the regional powers and disregard them or limit then then the grace wants to end on the great ones and now diluting the power by having to do with these regional players who may have other lines that's on the side of the question is, uh what they great fall agree poway major by right. and they'll just by may show, uh, sort of for example, maybe 3 uh, development. uh, uh, the main factor, how brief i was with the effect to the world affairs global affairs,

regional affairs. so for example, we know a lot of very great financial economic bars that don't have any kind of effect to the world of open, for example, japan or any other countries for you who speak of all the rich countries, different countries. for example, china, india, or russia, are they, in general have different aspirations. but the reason one very important come on the feeling, the assistance with this, with these patients over the present, a city shall present conditions. and by that the man, uh there was sometime in the area, right? right. the one to the 1st of all will be want to be a very important regional powers. but at the same time, they don't want to push forward the optimization. all the world offers because realization and optimization. it's a different kind of. yeah. do you think the regional numbers for joining breaks now

sharing dissatisfaction with the sort of the western way forward? absolutely, absolutely. because the wants to develop the, the regional sold, the congress is very important players in the world 1st, at the same time, the simple, the nation economies. because uh, for a long time, the were affected by the globalization, global brands and global financial and making these. but right now, the full with much more attention to the initial develop and financial, uh, scientific, academic, educational, etc, etc. so they need much more regional support, but at the same they want to be engaged to be coming to make any so breaks. and just we do just want a platform on the oldest as for aspirations. i've heard somebody uh, one of the prominent russian observers suggests that within 6 fashion breaks has started in a franchise. and what is being distributed under these franchise is, uh, not uh, some concrete policy,

but the either as opposed to mode one that prioritize of sovereignty by the old. so, prioritize this relationship relational framework over in needed disagreements. so it's not only a silver and decision making rooted in your national interest, but also understanding that the relationship is something valuable. do you agree with that? uh, not relations trust. trust is much more reliable. is much more what's the difference or the difference is a great because of the to the uh, situation uh for covina and everything that was uh, connected to the funding. yeah. uh. each country tried to fight against go beat by itself and not over the come and make it easy was worked out. what was uh, bring to life uh ended means it means that the, what is part of the menu is racial organization. there is a very high level of nice pressed, and a brakes try to put for the

a new only trust just in several theories or several aids, for example, financial for infrastructure projects. so connection to every country is, is connected with another governors. so it's not something new, something new, it's a trust. and the other important point, the point that the brakes is very flexible structure is there is no amy, very uh, different level, only membership like in the show high corporation res agents. there's no up servers or members, just participants see cool but participate to be in digital the different to make it easy to different negotiations. but at the same time, not to put much more much attention or obligations to follow some rules so that the flexibility is direct directive. that is your mention of flexibility and i think we leave in times of relational freedom. i would even say joe,

political for miscarriage here when many countries in which is their partners situation that way without long or strong commitments. um and you know, the choice of partner you know, can be today, but if could be different tomorrow. what's the purpose then for breaks existence at all? because you mentioned that they have trust, but there is also some predictability within the, within that structure. oh, why would you have, if you can agree, everything on the bilateral basis. what we yeah. we uh, we used to live in the world of plus and minus all different kinds of pro western or pro eastern approach, any use of pro russian. that's a very old dated approach to the world affairs look to the development of the brakes. brakes was brought to life when the situation was completely different. economic sedation and political stage of the situation, for example, that time. chan uh raise its a very foss, india was on the top all these development by the way, we seen from brazil,

this thing waiting for the south africa, but to distribution company to change it. it's not, it's a kind of a platform for the companies that in the state of press, the transfer development. it's a platform for the company that is very connected to the ag, over the month for like the ration on different kinds of, um, fluid, increased power in this world. we want a negative for your mean again don't. and then you're in a form, right? as a nation, the gaze is alaysyah. again, you still fighting, you and the crew crushing the, the trade suits the world trade system. so all congress will work, for example, for the open frontiers for trade and financial uh, oil companies would for re open banking a configuration. uh for the open olibo marcus. so the, uh, the list of the movies comes as

a very different in the media solution on lasers. but at the same some of the, um, the, the try to the, to follow the same. we for the open markets in the very unstable world. now, in one of your recent interviews here wrote about breaks. now having to formulate and all just the goals of the development, but the meanings of their development then meanings and next, essential categories find will per found. then any practical goal, do you think a nation so such as different cultures, background systems can ever agree on such a thing as, as the meaning of the right of all as well because we, we live in the world that was created by the trait by the open frontiers, but it's a historical, a period that we already uh, followed, and right now we should understand what as the meaning of the development of our world countries and of, oh,

our evers. each country right now has its own concept of the development chinese russian. even the united states, but not all countries shared the same idea, so we should understand what is come on for every one of us and what is different to be different. it is not a bad thing, but we should understand what re the wheeler, a frictions between us. so the main idea to firmly be meetings, the main ideas. what does it mean for us being global world? what do we want, for example, for me? it said we owe 8, see a view over the open indication, because if we indicated in the very high we high level, it means that we can share the same idea of the same ideals and the same for be afraid that well should be open. but we can have to keep some patients in the political understanding that stuff and, but i think so, and one can help our results. i'm out there. i mean, if you have share common language, it is easier to have

a reasonable and reasoned argument over things that separates your and the executive and the one that was the main idea of what is the highest the value of this world. and what is i'm in the inner pavement, people have been asking us for millennial, rightful to me. it's a personal human development. so everything that should be done, it should be done for the res. oh will the quality of life all the uh, individuals? well, um, interesting right here, leave me to my next question and it's a exactly on that subject because you're near namesake abraham maslow, an american psychologist or for your premium defense formulates. and the famous paramount of needs, starting from says illogical necessities and going all the way to self actualization. do you think that would be applied to collect his sizes as well? if nation starts thinking about, don't just development, you know, getting by. but the meaning behind that development doesn't that signify some new level in social progress?

yes, i think so because the single, the basic meetings, the basic uh, the mon, already done. so always countries on noting the nothing the but states, i mean a, there is no speculation in economics. there are different kinds of different level only development. but there's this thing them all come through to develop in different speed. pending is they have the own vision for the next developers and the for the next step. so the next step should be done in the weight. what the, what the, the, the future of the regional and come, you know, development because we have, it's simple, the globalization, we have globalization. but right now we have comedy lilies issue the connection between different. so i was saying here in the form it see, i mean like there, there is an insistence that there is 2nd country that knows the way and everybody else has to sort of k to, to the needs of the enlightened one. right? yes, but at the same time, not too much countries,

a really keen to be induced to being the form reduce come utilization means that we could connect is always, it is the same time disconnecting all the ways. for example, we could not agree with the really just the use and other a little the friction in this way, but at the same time we can go 3 d, b 3. so what the look at the present day situation. for example, if you look 10 years ago who voted for the open friend who the trade warranty is united states, and this se, everything should be opened and transparent. but right now the united states put a lot of measures against china, russia, iran. so right now sharon is both of the open frontiers. well, uh that's a very interesting sound, but hold it for a couple of minutes. we have to take a very short break, but we will be back in just

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are in august on what is the most ethically and culturally diverse regions on the entire planet. as you make your way through the start, you will discover each region is known for its own unique arts and traditions the welcome back to wells. of course, with alex c must loves director of the institute of asian and african studies at the most close state university. mr. muscle, him before the break, we started talking about the differences that exist in the world and also um you know, potential synergies. and even without the slightest expansion of breaks the, there was a 4 disagreement at the base of breaks primarily between india and china. and those

2 countries also have very different views on how the organization or how the grouping should evolve. uh, in the future. do you think there's differences now late to arrest or do you think they may be exploited? as the platform expands and perhaps there are some counts within it. unfortunately, i think that it's a legacy of history. so it will have gone. there's good, don't forget some problems that happened in the 100 years ago, one adults and 2 years ago or so. the only we all from the situation just to forget it for some periods of time. because there are a lot of much more important steps that should be done. so that's why oldest friction program between china and india or indian park. the stock should be a part from the more. so really the hard because i'm in russia and china also has, i think, roughly a 1000 border disappear and disagreements. and yet there was

a painstaking process of addressing those. and these countries now have a very different develop relationship on what they have. let's say 20 years ago. shouldn't be put on hold or rather what, what is in the way of india in china, you know, coming together looking at the border disputes and also looking at the, you know, all the potential benefits that them missing hours. each piece is very if the particularly is very the individual said these are for somebody who speak about a rushing journey sedation or many years ago. we had a lot of problems, but look at the present day situation. but oh, problems are already regulated by agreements and 1st full by the communications rushing share. and um, i really need to how to go behind all these problems because we have much more need for the final task. if i know goals, why this thing, india and china haven't arrived there yet because they also have many potential gains from right because the percent of the same place asia. uh, yeah,

and russia each and the, the have a separate the development to doesn't mean that china is much more important or less important that the russia, they pretend to be a different kind of regional powers. so, but in the same time these we will be able, right, know if they were delayed, always just opening up regularly. but just to forget for, for awhile some problems. it means that we could not develop the level all the economic, economic level, all the congress, your mention china. and right now it's uh, advocating similar valerie, similar approaches to what the united states stood for, like 15 or 20 years ago, a free trade, the separation of trade and politics, etc. are you confident that the sooner or later china will not a golf? now the only, uh the, the values of the united states but also is there and not cold bully like style of

getting what it once. well, no one know the future for uh, for sure. for the same time, we can see that we see the issue in china and india and in the united states. uh for the last couple of years. well, sometimes i'll pull the last couple of coffee, you change it to look, look to the economic sedation, china. we can see the vehicle sign of stuck a nation is off the crisis. but anyway, it's a program. uh the only way how to get the read oldest problems. just to develop much more equity for good negotiations with the neighboring congress like india. it was around the country, so the only way, how is the result of this question is a corporation. and if we can forget all these problems, i mean political progress. so he's throwing up our was, he said the only wait, how we can get 3 to all these situation. there were a couple of countries, nigeria, algeria, indonesia,

that were widely expected to make it into the 1st wave of expansion. but some result there is now even the confusion that whether they wanted it or not, whether they have applied for bricks, membership on, on. do you suspect any western modeling in there? yes, i think so. i think there is a very huge pressure to always congress from western world because the brakes just for, for the last couple of years try to present or just to step by step to from 4th the a new, the new world configuration. that is the old site or full rate, easiest in books. and many countries of the full was a d. o would be in the flexibility. but sometimes there's really a freight says d v in several caps and the same time. so at least 10 is uh,

cooperation with different books, codes, push country in the, from the, the goods connection with for example, united states for china to be back back yard. all these world politic. uh, but uh, weight, uh, from my point of view, weight breaks is much more effective for like who the and for example, a shock i corporation grocery shop because it's much more flexible and soft weight of cooperation. but on the other hand, there's countries who are not yet ready on bold enough to join. they're still gaining all the benefits of being associated with brakes. members on by let charl are bases on even on their group level or what, what race could to be present to other congress. first of all, it took a breath, shooting the infrastructure project, spend the 1st point, and if you where you want to be engaged, the oldest party, the money. so these, it means that you should address to the new brakes back. that's

a nice country is good. so i lose all of the yes they could corporate without any, but this the valuable alternative source or a friend of s on the right. yeah. that is id. in other questions. it's a question of the expertise. if you want to develop some logistics or infrastructure or rail or, or you need a new, uh, new stuff. so how to, how to get this experience. so you, you should invite some one with some groups for some of the companies. so it's much more attractive to do is site. the site is one organization, the one platform. so it's a very, 1st of all, it's a regional corporation, but the leasing type is much more effective than the global ideas and without the realistic. now you mentioned the word expertise and i want to rely on your african expertise to ask you particularly about nigeria. because if i forgot the most popular entry, which is being actively of course in by washington has been in the news recently of

that nature and presence. she knew who is the only african literature by then wants to meet on the sidelines of the un general assembly. this month tends to, you know, that americans don't make such overtures. uh, likely or without an agenda. what do you think is the western i attended here? well, what's your agenda agenda means means a 1st of all english through the local development, but they're the same time who invest the local education, who is the key, the local people in what language? usually, what kind of textbooks and what kind of technologist. so it means that if you already get it in the western this i, you said we with this on, there's you in the future will, you will buy your supply western technology. so and they do it it's, it's not just a very populated country, it's according to the ivory guest on there it's, it's a very highly develop a country. so that's why united states straight to play a very specific role in these place. i they, i only nigeria, or are they also hoping to use nigeria as connections within the continent to wells

are then uh and the journey is it is a jumping point to the jumping words to all the afternoon congress, whether the same time we have a lot of other players in african for example, china, which control a lot of ports, seaports all around the african sea shore. and the same time we, we can see the increasing of the russian flower. not as much as, for example, china. but at the same time, the russia complete is separate through uh, for example, in b, a root culture production in the supply root cause of all the green production. it's a threat to its right. so right at the same time and we do keisha. so we, in the future, we'll have much more important brand play as in the africa, and it means that, and they do it as well as other of income congress will have much more mature. he's now speaking versus tower next year. and break search engine presidency is moving to russian. you already mentioned several areas where russia could be, uh,

helpful education. uh, a great cultural expertise. are there any other areas where russia could contribute in this fair way in a mutual way to the development? the brakes on its new members, right decided that we already spoke about. so 1st of all, it's a medici and the pharmaceutical, a good cooperation and bo farm and other including tele medicine. we already have a very, very good infrastructure full of telemedicine. and we couldn't go expert it at the same time. and the most important point for russian african corporation is education being very specific erase. for example, once again, it's a medicine, a root culture and the new every culture of journal entry for here, we'll geology young and new technologies. and for example, financial technologies look at the do a little be leaving the russian backs of the, i mean, i think they'd be digitalization over the russian bucks,

maybe one of the best in the world. well, let's pick out for you to, i guess that's uh, the only question that have time for this past summer. russia hosted enough for consignment as we to load them and put and send the most boys also ready to all for the african continent. the technologies of governance, and it's interesting because for many in the west or if you're still associated with the ramp of corruption. but actually if you look at the quality of public services in russian that it has an increased substantially. do you think this is something that uh, rational breaks in general would be exporting, you know, new approaches to governance and new approaches to the meaning and the goals of developments? yes, i think so each day and it's done just a kind of a special thing for the local administration. it's a completely good re, uh, uh, reconstruction only wait, hopefully, uh, state uh, state to state level thinking for example level of effort. you and congress,

as well as the asian congress, the, the full was the a dual, the school, the dependent development. so it means that the, the, the, the defense from the so well because the whole list, the states, they do more than this depend on the authority to find the correct world. yeah. but anyway, it to be dependent. it's not just the how to develop economics. it's how to defend the develop your mentality. so and uh, one of the very important, a russian uh, the issue of development. it's uh, reconstruction over the mind to the uh, to the brush up with the last 5 years left and he is 8. so we put much more attention to the national ideas and visual values, but at the same time, it stopped. it was the russian idea to breaks old connections with other countries . because when you develop your own ideas,

you could be not very pleasant to all the company. so to do so to stay in your place to be at the on nation ideas is very important. and 1st of all, it's very important for the state that ministration have and brings us back to your name's sake of our home uh, mass load that owns development ultimately leads to self actualization. both on the individual and national level, mr. my slow, it's been great pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for the conversation and thank you for watching and hope to hear again. i was a part of the

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